August 27, 2025 • 27 mins
We're tallking about the strange, funny, and unsettling world of “smart” technology — gadgets that promise convenience but often raise privacy concerns. Plus, a long awaited Mel and Jess update! (Spoiler alert: It's great news!)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This podcast is for general information only and should not
be taken as psychological advice. Listeners should consult with their
healthcare professionals for specific medical advice. Well.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, I'm Amanda Keller and I'm Anita mcgregord, and welcome
to Double A Chattery.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We have a conversation we must have, Amanda, what's happened? Well?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Is it my coffee breath? And you know I don't
drink much coffee. I've just had an instant.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, well, because I'm not ever going to go and
potentially get your coffee breath anymore, because we have to
discuss when we're going to record this podcast starting next year. Amanda, Oh, you're.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Talking about my changing you radio shift?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
You are changing radio shift, yes, Amanda Keller.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So after twenty years on the Gold Network, I'm and
years before that doing breakfast radio, I'm going to be
doing a drive shift.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Amanda. I have never known you without you being on
a morning show.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
No, I won't know myself either.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Who will you be?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And so that's a big thing to think about for me.
I don't know who I'll be because I don't mind
the early hours, but I've been doing them for so long.
I wake up before my alarm goes off. Now on weekends,
I wake up early. I don't have the sleep in.
I just don't have the capacity for a sleep in anymore.
I last Friday night, I was out till one o'clock,
(01:40):
unheard off for me. And you just don't catch up
with that kind of sleep because I can't sleep in.
But normally, even on weekends, I have to go to
bed a d eight thirty because I'm so I'm just so
used to having an early night.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I think by March next year, you're just going to
be sleeping in until noon. I rack of new going.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
To become a teenager?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You're will I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I just I don't know it either, And it's going
to be quite profound for me, I think. And I
was thinking the other day, I try to do this
is the most shallow of all the things to think about.
I try it to drink during the week, But I think,
what's to stop you coming home from work? But shift
is three to six coming home, and you know, having
a glass of wine at night? Does everyone do that
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every night? And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I look from my selfish point of view, I'm like, Wow,
we could actually go out on a week weekday night.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
A week night. That's the thing. I have friends like
you who meet you guys all meet up during the
week for an occasional dinner. And even though I could
do that, my brain kind of thinks I better not
between Monday and Friday. Maybe on a Thursday night I
could do it. But to survive these hours, I by
choice have been very strict about how I've lived. It'll
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be so weird.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I'm just I am for you. I'm excited to see
how it will change your world, your life, your relationship,
like even with your boys and stuff. It means that
you do doing different things.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's the future and eat also by nature, a drive
shift has a different energy to it. You play more music,
but it's not that leaning in emotionally in the morning,
the exciting tension of what are we talking about today,
what's happened over night, what are people feeling? And giving
people a morning rush it's the day's gone. It'll be
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a different unpicking of that energy, which will be very
good for my brain. I think it's like the universe
has said, you know what, how about you sit on
a bean bag for a while. Not in the joy
of sex. Hairy kind of way that we're speaking about
last week. But I think it'll be I think it'll
be quite profound and I'm really looking forward to it.
And now that it's been decided, I wish it was now,
(03:56):
but it's not starting till January.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I am yeah. No, as I said, delighted for you.
It sounds like a new project, but there's lots of
familiarity with it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's a very nice way of looking at it. That
is the gift of it. I still get to do radio,
which I love, I get to work, which I love,
but it's I'm hoping it'll be slightly less vigilant. What
did you to say, enough familiarity but enough newness. Yeah, yeah, okay,
that's perfect challenge. But there's familiarity within it. Yeah, perfect,
(04:27):
Thank you. That's my new tat if you could do
it today, all the way down my arm. I've got
relatively short arms, little t Rex, No, he's noticed that
about you. That's why I can't smike. Shall we begin
(04:54):
today's episode?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yes, let's let's begin today's episodes because we're talking about
smart things, like like smart toilets, and this is this
is what got me onto this conversation is that we were.
I was reading this article about a you know, a
smart toilet, and I was thinking, oh, it's like one
of those amazing Japanese ones that plays music and you know,
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you know, wipes your bumb for you and you know
little air, you know, pockets of little warm air and stuff,
and I seeing hell lovely, But no, no, Amanda, this
article was saying that when you urinate or defecate that
this is it will analyze the health of your of
you based on your output and then gives you a
(05:47):
readout and then gives you a readout. What my initial reaction, Amanda,
was somewhere between amusement and disgust, but it was also
there was a like a frisson of of like concern
in there, thinking about who gets this data? Like is
it your insurance company, is.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It your employer?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Your employer? Is it like is it all aggregated into
some overall data that talks about the health of Australians.
I mean, it's this big farmer. Get it well, you know,
because one of the things that in this article that
they were kind of going, wow, isn't this amazing? It
could maybe detect that you have some infection and that
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you and it will go and send the data off
to your GP and to the chemist and it will Oh, what.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
An invasion of privacy just for doing a poop.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, I'm brought beyond two thousand. There was a story
about a toilet, a Japanese toilet that you'd sit on
and it would weigh you and just yell out your weight,
oh dear, before and after presumably, But I was reading
this story recently, just by the bye that when Vladimir
This was when Vladimir Putin met Donald Trump in Alaska
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not so long ago to discuss Ukraine. A French journalist
had said that for a number of decades, every time
Vladimir Putin goes anywhere, part of his security detail is
someone who collects all his bodily waste in a bag
and it's wrapped in plastic bags and taken with them
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when they leave, for exactly this reason, so no one
can assess the state of his health.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Who gets to do that job?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I was wondering, So someone holds the briefcase that has
the nuclear codes, and someone holds briefcase number two. That's
exactly that. But all these new smart things they claim
to have all these great properties to them for you.
But as you say, who's the end user, HiT's all
(08:01):
data collection. It is all data collection. Even the gym
that I go to is no longer a fob. To
get in, you have to use an app. I say,
why why do I need to download an app to
get into the gym? And I assume it's so that
they get some data information. I'm assuming why else would
they need to do it unless I'm thicker and can't
figure it out. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I find that this whole You know that more and
more of the my privacy seems to be invaded. Emma
and I had had a big conversation about that whole
thing on Apple now that that find me where you
can put where your location is, and I just had
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a huge reaction to Emmett saying, you know, can I
put you on here? I was like, absolutely not. And
it's not like I'm going out and watching Dancing Man
or something. But I just was really affronted that that
that I think that that app can be used for
like course of control. It can be used in all
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kinds of ways.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And yeah, it's a fact you said, No a lot
of men would read something into that.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Absolutely absolutely, and I was just really I don't know how,
like I just felt like there's little bits, you know,
every time, I feel as though my privacy is just
getting chipped away more and more and more. But you're
aware of it.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
These days. I mean a lot of this is being
marketed as products that are better for you, and it's
got an app to it, like what about this one
smart deodorant?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So you hook it up to you know, you put
all this stuff in your phone, I guess, and it
tells you maybe you tell it the kind of day
you're going to have, you're going to go to the gym,
won't have time to have a shower, and then you're
going to blah blah blah, And it determines how much
deodorant is dispensed. But once again, you're feeding your information
into your phone and who gets the information.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, that's kind of alarming to think that this is
Like where does that data go? How does it know
how much deodorant you need? Like it must be you know,
having some history of your deodorant needs or something like this.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I think there's probably an algorithm of if you go
to the gym, you're going to need this much. But
what about this? You know, all those robovacs that were
so popular. I don't know if people still use the robovac.
When I was at Beyond two thousand, everyone said, I
just want a robot to vacuum my house. That was
in the Jetsons everything. Well, we kind of do have them,
but they're not as efficient. Does everyone imagine they'll be?
(10:37):
They don't get corners? And how about this? This woman
has sued the company that made her Robovac because a
photo of her sitting on the toilet was uploaded from
her Robovac to the cloud and somehow found its way
into Facebook. That story sounds extraordinary, These robot things, just
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so they can calibrate where they're going, I assume take
a series of well, who knew that they were photographs.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I would have thought that it was just kind of
streaming video that kind of didn't get saved.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, it gets happened sent up into a cloud somewhere,
and the company itself has had to verify that this
had happened. They said, yes, it did. This happened the robovax.
They say, oh, data is safe, but a picture of
her on the toilet has ended up on Facebook. And
that's the thing with a lot of these things. It's
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the dance that you do with the devil. We had
a Google Home. I miss it every day. But when
we unplugged it because we were painting the kitchen or something,
the amount of microphones and things that Harley had to
turn off in the process, he said, we're never plugging
this in again. And so I miss it every day
because I want to say, can you put, Hey, Google,
can you put twelve minutes on the ovens on cookings
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and biscuits? What's the weather going to be tomorrow. I
used to use it all the time, but it had
so much surveillance attached to it that Harley said, we'd
just done plugging this now.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And was he worried about the surveillance part of it
or just the technology having to plug stuff?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No, the surveillance of it, because all that information constantly
your conversations is a microphone that would constantly be running.
And it's the old thing you think, oh, who's going
to spy on us? But it's advertisers. It's not Russia's
going to come and blow up your house.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I cannot tell you the number of times where I,
you know, Emma and I will be having a conversation about, oh,
we really need to go and I don't know, replace
the drapes or we need to do whatever, and then
all of a sudden, on my feed comes in all
these you know, roller blinds or you know that kind
of thing like, and I keep thinking, is it just
because I'm looking for it, or is it somehow being
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you know, sent out to Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Don't even have to touch a keypad for it to
know what you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Now, I'm worried.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And this is for many of us. As I said,
this is that you know that this stuff's going on,
but you put up with for the convenience. Lots of
people saying things about the ring cameras have been used
for spying and harassment, that other people might be able
to hack them, a partner might be able to hack
it to see who's coming to your door, all that
kind of stuff, And even if you're not using it'll
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end up on Instagram or something if something wacky happens
at your door. The same thing with Siria. It was
accidentally eves. Apple paid ninety five million dollars to settle
claims that Siri was unintentionally recording conversations and kids' voices
were being recorded, all kinds of things and this stuff.
Australia has rules around privacy, but much of our smart
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device data ends up on overseas servers in the States,
in Singapore and Ireland and Germany, and you just hope
that their rules are as compliant in good faith they
use your stuff. But same thing. It's all advertising, it's
all you're all all your data mining is the new thing.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And it's you know, there's the serious side of this.
But tell me what you think of this amount. Is
that there is a toasteroid product that it will toast
custom images and messages on your toast and you can
even take pictures of your toast and send it to friends.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So you give it your information, give it photos from
your phone and it will burn that into the toast, presumably.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think so. Yeah, Or you can just program but
to say love your honey or something like that on it, and.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Then it has permission to see all your photos and
all your contacts. Probably see this double fun But where
does it go? Yeah, I saw this great thing that's
got a picture of a woman on the phone people
in the sixties and it says I better not say
that or the government will Why tap my house?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You think? Are you fool?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And someone today, Hey, why tap? Do you've got a
recipe for pancakes? We know it's doing it, but the
convenience is so good we put up with it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, and it makes me think about where do we?
Where do we? You know, say here's the stand? Because
I mean I'm maybe my saying no to the find
me app is because of my generation, my age, whatever.
It's just not something familiar, and maybe people of a
different generation might go, well, it's it's convenient. I get
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to know where my partner is. I can see that
they're on the way home. I can see that they've
stopped at the grocery store, like I asked, whatever it is.
But for me, it just feels like more and more
of my of my sense of privacy is being taken away.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I've got a friend whose adult children are on it,
and so so she can check they all live at home,
but she can check that they that they're safe and
that they're blah blah blah adult children. I saw a
story just the other day of a new like a
baby shoe, a sneaker like kids first shoe shoe. There's
a slot in it you can put an eight what's
it called an air tag in it? Oh, so that
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you know where your child is at every given moment.
So if you're if you've grown up with being used
to this hyper surveillance, you're not going to think it's weird.
I know when one of my kids broke up with
a girlfriend, the first thing you do is take off
the location finder. That's almost like a relationship status to say, well,
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I don't want to know where you are anymore, and
I don't want you don't know where I am anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So is that when you take it off, does it
you know your ax get a little notification saying you
can no longer find Yeah, well that would be a
way of breaking up with somebody too.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
That's how you'd find out the new ghosting. Yes, but
as you say, we're from the generation where we find
this stuff a bit icky. The next slot down, this
is how they've grown up, and it's.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You know, and I get that there is some good
thing about it. Like my husband the other day, we
bought him a new e bike and on this e
bike it has a find my feature. So if it
gets stolen and it also has a disabled app, so
it disables the e bike the battery so if it
gets stolen, if it gets stolen, it won't turn on anymore.
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And I'm like, that's fantastic because I've had an ee
bike stolen and it wasn't a fun process to go
and you know, go through insurance and all that kind
of stuff. But it's you know, she can kind of say, Okay, well,
maybe there's some good parts of it, but I don't
know if I think about that balance of it that
I'm I'm coming out ahead in any.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Way, and I'm not technically technically adept enough to be
able to say I want that bit, but I want
to switch off that and that that's the thing that
Harley was saying with a Google Home and for switch
off that microphone that that Then I said, ill stuff,
but let's not do it. Yeah, I want to have
the timer and I want to have all the rest
of it. I want to ask questions about the weather
in Guatemala and I don't want to have to think.
So he said, well, we can't have that.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, it's one of the other, isn't it. Yeah, And
you but you see you miss it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I do I miss it every day. I miss it
every day.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And because you actually have to go and you know,
pick up your phone. That's actually a little computer that.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Has all that that would take all my information on
that interesting, but I do have to type it in.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Oh, dear, I think.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So it's not just it doesn't have a microphone. It's
not just listening to me.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No. Yeah, so you've turned off Syria and stuff then no, no,
so it's still a.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Way to go.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Me.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I told you I wasn't very good at this.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We're gonna go and look at we're going.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
To break up with you. So you can't check where
I am.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I know it would be so shocking to find, you know, like, wow,
Amanda's at the studio. Oh, Amanda's at home sleeping, helping
it out. Amanda seeing people behind your back? Me, that'd
be me having cups of tea with I'm your people,
I'm your only friend and true. It is true. By
the way, can we do an up deat on Melon Jazz? Please?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yes, thank you for reminding me. I saw them the
other day. They are going so well. This is my
friend Melanie who donated her kidney to her daughter Jess.
Jess had a very small hiccup and had to go
back in to have some surgery a few days after
the first surgery. But everything is running well, all of
Jess's levels, all her blood levels, all the stuff that's required.
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A brilliant Melanie's great. She said she had a hip
replacement last year. She said, this is far less invasive
and painful than a hip replacement. So it's all going
so so well. Jess will be I saw her, but
you know she can't just go out all the time
for the next couple of months. Has to be very
careful for her immunity. But happy, happy result all round.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Thank you for the update on your other friend.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And I'm surprised you didn't track me and sounds at
her house still, I only had one cup of tea.
I came straight on my promise.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I'm very very happy when I think of these smart things, Amanda,
back to the toilet, the toilet and stuff. I mean,
some of these things that have come out are ludicrous,
and you know I told you, but the toaster. But
the other one I think is quite amazing is the
smart Smart salt shaker.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Do you have an app for a salt shaker?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, it dispenses salt Amanda. But in addition, it plays music,
it sets mood lighting for your salt and yeah, it's
the interactive centerpiece and salt dispenser that you never knew
you needed.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
If people get into that, then they deserve all the
surveillance they're going to get.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
There's no weighing up the other side. That's just stupid,
that's just darp mess. Yeah. Yeah, unless you send us
one and we'll be happy to try it.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That's right, we will try it, but I want the
matching pepper one.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Do you remember the story we did probably last year
about how people were able to hack the sex toys? Yeah, yeah,
and so someone would be sitting in a meeting with
something inserted and then somebody hacked the system. Yep. You're
going to pay anything, yep, after a few hours to
shut that thing down after a few hours. So I
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don't sit on your toaster because you never know what might.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Happen, never know what might happen. Are we done here?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Should we get to our glimmers.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Let's get to our.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I might have to have two glimmers.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
You can have two glimmers AMOUNTA.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
One is that outlander. Blood of my blood has started?
This is the new series, which is a prequel to Outlander,
and I thought I'll just watch a few minutes of
it on the weekend. Well, let me just say I
got swept away in it all over again. There's a
young so it's it's Jamie's mum and dad, and Jamie's
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dad is handsome and brooding and all those charming things,
and his mom the other clan want to sell her off,
blah blah blah, all the drama going through the Stones,
it's all there.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
So does he come to the future or does somebody
go to the Powis then?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Also, I don't want to give too much away to
Claire's parents go through the stones, his parents and her parents.
His parents are back in Scotland in the whatever they
are hers post war going through the stones.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Wow, wow, Wow, I am I am going to be watching.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
That was quite a detailed description I just gave him.
Wow stones Wow. My other glimmer is I was at
the service station the other day and I had an incident,
not an incident, but just a moment. I thought, this
is one of the advantages of being older. When I
was younger, I was mortified to be embarrassed about anything
breathing in and out was embarrassing. It was I think
I felt it more than others, and I don't know why.
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I remember once going home from school, someone kicked a
football from the minute it left their foot hit me
in the head way up into the air. I kept walking.
It booked me on the head, and because that was embarrassing,
I pretended I hadn't noticed, and I just kept walking.
I probably had a broken vertebrae. I just kept walking.
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That's the lengths you go to to not look embarrassed.
I was once on holidays and Dad watched me fall
and roll down it a hill very painfully, and he
said I was smiling all the way down, and when
I got to the bottom, I stood up as if
nothing had happened, because I didn't want to be embarrassed.
It's exhausting. It's exhausting. But I was at the service
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station and I couldn't get the.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Hose.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
The hose. I'd clicked it, nothing happened, clicked it, nothing happened,
And I was waiting and waiting and they wouldn't let
it click over. Something wasn't working. So I under stood
where I was and started waving my arms around, going
oh oi Oi thought, even just a few years ago,
I wouldn't have felt comfortable enough to look like an
idiot and ask for help and say, oh, I don't
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know what I'm doing, give me a hand.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So I just thought that for me was the biggest
step because I didn't care that look like an idiot.
I think I'm old enough now that everyone talks about
being more comfortable in their own skin and all that.
This one about not caring it look like an idiot,
I think is a big one.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I think it's it's lovely too when the people that
are are helping you don't make you feel like an idiot.
I mean that makes a huge difference, because I still
remember when we first moved to Australia, I went and
stopped at a service station to go and get anti
freeze to go and put into the windshield wiper stuff
because in Canada, in the winters you had anti freeze
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in your in the water that you put in or
the fluid that you put in, and in summers you
had bug stuff that would take bugs off your windshield.
And I and I was looking around for it and
it wasn't to be seen, and I went into the
to the station, and the guy looked at me and
he kind of, you know, he just kind of nodded
for a moment, and he walked out and and got
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a bucket and put a little bit of soap into
it and then filled it up. He goes, we live
in a country that doesn't freeze here in Sydney. He goes,
you're fine now, And I was like, oh, I don't
have to go on buy jars of jugs of things.
And he was lovely and he just kind of like
nicely did that. I liked that.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
He didn't mock you. He didn't a wasted opportunity.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
He probably mocked me after and then let us try
it down terribly. That's true.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
What's your glimma?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
My glimmer is that I'm going to be a grandma again,
and which in November, which is absolutely delightful. And one
of the joys for me is that my daughter in law, Taia,
she's just lovely and she the other day she just
went and grabbed my hand because the little baby was active,
and I got to put my hand on her belly
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and feel the little elbows and knees coming up, and
it was just this most beautiful, this gorgeous moment. It
was an amazing glimmer.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You're lucky you're very close to her, because sometimes it's
the mum of the son. You don't get that access
to the stomach.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, yes, the yeah. And it's weird because I still
I remember when I was pregnant. I don't know if
it was the same for you, but I'd be in
a bus and men would come up to me and
put their hands no, yeah, absolutely, kind of going oh
you're big, you know that kind of thing, And it
was just like it was all of a sudden. It
was kind of like your bellies public property.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Interesting because they say it takes a village and in
the old days, a baby was everyone's baby. But it's
inappropriate now where everyone gets to touch your stomach, but
no one helps you raise it. Yeah you don't. You
get the whole package, or you don't get any of it.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, well yeah, no, so that's lovely. That was fair.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Do you know what kind you're having?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Do they know?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
No, it's just this is one of the last vestiges
of a big surprise, and I'm so delivered. So they
knew the first for the first one, and for this
one they're kind of so far they haven't found out.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I'm just that's not exciting, That isn't nice. All right, Well,
if there's anything we've said, if you've had a photo,
perhaps that's of you on the toilet that your vacuum
premer has taken and you'd like to it shows you
at a good angle, that lighting is beautiful. That's now
my screensaver. Anything you'd like to share, please do.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
We'd like to get your collages. See you s
This podcast is for general information only and should not
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healthcare professionals for specific medical advice. Well.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, I'm Amanda Keller and I'm Anita mcgregord, and welcome
to Double A Chattery.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We have a conversation we must have, Amanda, what's happened? Well?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Is it my coffee breath? And you know I don't
drink much coffee. I've just had an instant.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, well, because I'm not ever going to go and
potentially get your coffee breath anymore, because we have to
discuss when we're going to record this podcast starting next year. Amanda, Oh, you're.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Talking about my changing you radio shift?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
You are changing radio shift, yes, Amanda Keller.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So after twenty years on the Gold Network, I'm and
years before that doing breakfast radio, I'm going to be
doing a drive shift.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Amanda. I have never known you without you being on
a morning show.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
No, I won't know myself either.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Who will you be?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
And so that's a big thing to think about for me.
I don't know who I'll be because I don't mind
the early hours, but I've been doing them for so long.
I wake up before my alarm goes off. Now on weekends,
I wake up early. I don't have the sleep in.
I just don't have the capacity for a sleep in anymore.
I last Friday night, I was out till one o'clock,
(01:40):
unheard off for me. And you just don't catch up
with that kind of sleep because I can't sleep in.
But normally, even on weekends, I have to go to
bed a d eight thirty because I'm so I'm just so
used to having an early night.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I think by March next year, you're just going to
be sleeping in until noon. I rack of new going.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
To become a teenager?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You're will I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I just I don't know it either, And it's going
to be quite profound for me, I think. And I
was thinking the other day, I try to do this
is the most shallow of all the things to think about.
I try it to drink during the week, But I think,
what's to stop you coming home from work? But shift
is three to six coming home, and you know, having
a glass of wine at night? Does everyone do that
(02:24):
every night? And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I look from my selfish point of view, I'm like, Wow,
we could actually go out on a week weekday night.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
A week night. That's the thing. I have friends like
you who meet you guys all meet up during the
week for an occasional dinner. And even though I could
do that, my brain kind of thinks I better not
between Monday and Friday. Maybe on a Thursday night I
could do it. But to survive these hours, I by
choice have been very strict about how I've lived. It'll
(02:56):
be so weird.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I'm just I am for you. I'm excited to see
how it will change your world, your life, your relationship,
like even with your boys and stuff. It means that
you do doing different things.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's the future and eat also by nature, a drive
shift has a different energy to it. You play more music,
but it's not that leaning in emotionally in the morning,
the exciting tension of what are we talking about today,
what's happened over night, what are people feeling? And giving
people a morning rush it's the day's gone. It'll be
(03:36):
a different unpicking of that energy, which will be very
good for my brain. I think it's like the universe
has said, you know what, how about you sit on
a bean bag for a while. Not in the joy
of sex. Hairy kind of way that we're speaking about
last week. But I think it'll be I think it'll
be quite profound and I'm really looking forward to it.
And now that it's been decided, I wish it was now,
(03:56):
but it's not starting till January.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I am yeah. No, as I said, delighted for you.
It sounds like a new project, but there's lots of
familiarity with it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's a very nice way of looking at it. That
is the gift of it. I still get to do radio,
which I love, I get to work, which I love,
but it's I'm hoping it'll be slightly less vigilant. What
did you to say, enough familiarity but enough newness. Yeah, yeah, okay,
that's perfect challenge. But there's familiarity within it. Yeah, perfect,
(04:27):
Thank you. That's my new tat if you could do
it today, all the way down my arm. I've got
relatively short arms, little t Rex, No, he's noticed that
about you. That's why I can't smike. Shall we begin
(04:54):
today's episode?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yes, let's let's begin today's episodes because we're talking about
smart things, like like smart toilets, and this is this
is what got me onto this conversation is that we were.
I was reading this article about a you know, a
smart toilet, and I was thinking, oh, it's like one
of those amazing Japanese ones that plays music and you know,
(05:20):
you know, wipes your bumb for you and you know
little air, you know, pockets of little warm air and stuff,
and I seeing hell lovely, But no, no, Amanda, this
article was saying that when you urinate or defecate that
this is it will analyze the health of your of
you based on your output and then gives you a
(05:47):
readout and then gives you a readout. What my initial reaction, Amanda,
was somewhere between amusement and disgust, but it was also
there was a like a frisson of of like concern
in there, thinking about who gets this data? Like is
it your insurance company, is.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It your employer?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Your employer? Is it like is it all aggregated into
some overall data that talks about the health of Australians.
I mean, it's this big farmer. Get it well, you know,
because one of the things that in this article that
they were kind of going, wow, isn't this amazing? It
could maybe detect that you have some infection and that
(06:32):
you and it will go and send the data off
to your GP and to the chemist and it will Oh, what.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
An invasion of privacy just for doing a poop.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, I'm brought beyond two thousand. There was a story
about a toilet, a Japanese toilet that you'd sit on
and it would weigh you and just yell out your weight,
oh dear, before and after presumably, But I was reading
this story recently, just by the bye that when Vladimir
This was when Vladimir Putin met Donald Trump in Alaska
(07:07):
not so long ago to discuss Ukraine. A French journalist
had said that for a number of decades, every time
Vladimir Putin goes anywhere, part of his security detail is
someone who collects all his bodily waste in a bag
and it's wrapped in plastic bags and taken with them
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when they leave, for exactly this reason, so no one
can assess the state of his health.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Who gets to do that job?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I was wondering, So someone holds the briefcase that has
the nuclear codes, and someone holds briefcase number two. That's
exactly that. But all these new smart things they claim
to have all these great properties to them for you.
But as you say, who's the end user, HiT's all
(08:01):
data collection. It is all data collection. Even the gym
that I go to is no longer a fob. To
get in, you have to use an app. I say,
why why do I need to download an app to
get into the gym? And I assume it's so that
they get some data information. I'm assuming why else would
they need to do it unless I'm thicker and can't
figure it out. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I find that this whole You know that more and
more of the my privacy seems to be invaded. Emma
and I had had a big conversation about that whole
thing on Apple now that that find me where you
can put where your location is, and I just had
(08:45):
a huge reaction to Emmett saying, you know, can I
put you on here? I was like, absolutely not. And
it's not like I'm going out and watching Dancing Man
or something. But I just was really affronted that that
that I think that that app can be used for
like course of control. It can be used in all
(09:07):
kinds of ways.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And yeah, it's a fact you said, No a lot
of men would read something into that.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Absolutely absolutely, and I was just really I don't know how,
like I just felt like there's little bits, you know,
every time, I feel as though my privacy is just
getting chipped away more and more and more. But you're
aware of it.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
These days. I mean a lot of this is being
marketed as products that are better for you, and it's
got an app to it, like what about this one
smart deodorant?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Excuse me?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So you hook it up to you know, you put
all this stuff in your phone, I guess, and it
tells you maybe you tell it the kind of day
you're going to have, you're going to go to the gym,
won't have time to have a shower, and then you're
going to blah blah blah, And it determines how much
deodorant is dispensed. But once again, you're feeding your information
into your phone and who gets the information.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, that's kind of alarming to think that this is
Like where does that data go? How does it know
how much deodorant you need? Like it must be you know,
having some history of your deodorant needs or something like this.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I think there's probably an algorithm of if you go
to the gym, you're going to need this much. But
what about this? You know, all those robovacs that were
so popular. I don't know if people still use the robovac.
When I was at Beyond two thousand, everyone said, I
just want a robot to vacuum my house. That was
in the Jetsons everything. Well, we kind of do have them,
but they're not as efficient. Does everyone imagine they'll be?
(10:37):
They don't get corners? And how about this? This woman
has sued the company that made her Robovac because a
photo of her sitting on the toilet was uploaded from
her Robovac to the cloud and somehow found its way
into Facebook. That story sounds extraordinary, These robot things, just
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so they can calibrate where they're going, I assume take
a series of well, who knew that they were photographs.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I would have thought that it was just kind of
streaming video that kind of didn't get saved.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, it gets happened sent up into a cloud somewhere,
and the company itself has had to verify that this
had happened. They said, yes, it did. This happened the robovax.
They say, oh, data is safe, but a picture of
her on the toilet has ended up on Facebook. And
that's the thing with a lot of these things. It's
(11:31):
the dance that you do with the devil. We had
a Google Home. I miss it every day. But when
we unplugged it because we were painting the kitchen or something,
the amount of microphones and things that Harley had to
turn off in the process, he said, we're never plugging
this in again. And so I miss it every day
because I want to say, can you put, Hey, Google,
can you put twelve minutes on the ovens on cookings
(11:52):
and biscuits? What's the weather going to be tomorrow. I
used to use it all the time, but it had
so much surveillance attached to it that Harley said, we'd
just done plugging this now.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And was he worried about the surveillance part of it
or just the technology having to plug stuff?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No, the surveillance of it, because all that information constantly
your conversations is a microphone that would constantly be running.
And it's the old thing you think, oh, who's going
to spy on us? But it's advertisers. It's not Russia's
going to come and blow up your house.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I cannot tell you the number of times where I,
you know, Emma and I will be having a conversation about, oh,
we really need to go and I don't know, replace
the drapes or we need to do whatever, and then
all of a sudden, on my feed comes in all
these you know, roller blinds or you know that kind
of thing like, and I keep thinking, is it just
because I'm looking for it, or is it somehow being
(12:44):
you know, sent out to Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Don't even have to touch a keypad for it to
know what you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Now, I'm worried.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And this is for many of us. As I said,
this is that you know that this stuff's going on,
but you put up with for the convenience. Lots of
people saying things about the ring cameras have been used
for spying and harassment, that other people might be able
to hack them, a partner might be able to hack
it to see who's coming to your door, all that
kind of stuff, And even if you're not using it'll
(13:13):
end up on Instagram or something if something wacky happens
at your door. The same thing with Siria. It was
accidentally eves. Apple paid ninety five million dollars to settle
claims that Siri was unintentionally recording conversations and kids' voices
were being recorded, all kinds of things and this stuff.
Australia has rules around privacy, but much of our smart
(13:36):
device data ends up on overseas servers in the States,
in Singapore and Ireland and Germany, and you just hope
that their rules are as compliant in good faith they
use your stuff. But same thing. It's all advertising, it's
all you're all all your data mining is the new thing.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And it's you know, there's the serious side of this.
But tell me what you think of this amount. Is
that there is a toasteroid product that it will toast
custom images and messages on your toast and you can
even take pictures of your toast and send it to friends.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So you give it your information, give it photos from
your phone and it will burn that into the toast, presumably.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think so. Yeah, Or you can just program but
to say love your honey or something like that on it, and.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Then it has permission to see all your photos and
all your contacts. Probably see this double fun But where
does it go? Yeah, I saw this great thing that's
got a picture of a woman on the phone people
in the sixties and it says I better not say
that or the government will Why tap my house?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You think? Are you fool?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And someone today, Hey, why tap? Do you've got a
recipe for pancakes? We know it's doing it, but the
convenience is so good we put up with it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, and it makes me think about where do we?
Where do we? You know, say here's the stand? Because
I mean I'm maybe my saying no to the find
me app is because of my generation, my age, whatever.
It's just not something familiar, and maybe people of a
different generation might go, well, it's it's convenient. I get
(15:19):
to know where my partner is. I can see that
they're on the way home. I can see that they've
stopped at the grocery store, like I asked, whatever it is.
But for me, it just feels like more and more
of my of my sense of privacy is being taken away.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I've got a friend whose adult children are on it,
and so so she can check they all live at home,
but she can check that they that they're safe and
that they're blah blah blah adult children. I saw a
story just the other day of a new like a
baby shoe, a sneaker like kids first shoe shoe. There's
a slot in it you can put an eight what's
it called an air tag in it? Oh, so that
(16:06):
you know where your child is at every given moment.
So if you're if you've grown up with being used
to this hyper surveillance, you're not going to think it's weird.
I know when one of my kids broke up with
a girlfriend, the first thing you do is take off
the location finder. That's almost like a relationship status to say, well,
(16:28):
I don't want to know where you are anymore, and
I don't want you don't know where I am anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So is that when you take it off, does it
you know your ax get a little notification saying you
can no longer find Yeah, well that would be a
way of breaking up with somebody too.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
That's how you'd find out the new ghosting. Yes, but
as you say, we're from the generation where we find
this stuff a bit icky. The next slot down, this
is how they've grown up, and it's.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You know, and I get that there is some good
thing about it. Like my husband the other day, we
bought him a new e bike and on this e
bike it has a find my feature. So if it
gets stolen and it also has a disabled app, so
it disables the e bike the battery so if it
gets stolen, if it gets stolen, it won't turn on anymore.
(17:18):
And I'm like, that's fantastic because I've had an ee
bike stolen and it wasn't a fun process to go
and you know, go through insurance and all that kind
of stuff. But it's you know, she can kind of say, Okay, well,
maybe there's some good parts of it, but I don't
know if I think about that balance of it that
I'm I'm coming out ahead in any.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Way, and I'm not technically technically adept enough to be
able to say I want that bit, but I want
to switch off that and that that's the thing that
Harley was saying with a Google Home and for switch
off that microphone that that Then I said, ill stuff,
but let's not do it. Yeah, I want to have
the timer and I want to have all the rest
of it. I want to ask questions about the weather
in Guatemala and I don't want to have to think.
So he said, well, we can't have that.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, it's one of the other, isn't it. Yeah, And
you but you see you miss it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I do I miss it every day. I miss it
every day.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And because you actually have to go and you know,
pick up your phone. That's actually a little computer that.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Has all that that would take all my information on
that interesting, but I do have to type it in.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Oh, dear, I think.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So it's not just it doesn't have a microphone. It's
not just listening to me.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No. Yeah, so you've turned off Syria and stuff then no, no,
so it's still a.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Way to go.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Me.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I told you I wasn't very good at this.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We're gonna go and look at we're going.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
To break up with you. So you can't check where
I am.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I know it would be so shocking to find, you know, like, wow,
Amanda's at the studio. Oh, Amanda's at home sleeping, helping
it out. Amanda seeing people behind your back? Me, that'd
be me having cups of tea with I'm your people,
I'm your only friend and true. It is true. By
the way, can we do an up deat on Melon Jazz? Please?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yes, thank you for reminding me. I saw them the
other day. They are going so well. This is my
friend Melanie who donated her kidney to her daughter Jess.
Jess had a very small hiccup and had to go
back in to have some surgery a few days after
the first surgery. But everything is running well, all of
Jess's levels, all her blood levels, all the stuff that's required.
(19:22):
A brilliant Melanie's great. She said she had a hip
replacement last year. She said, this is far less invasive
and painful than a hip replacement. So it's all going
so so well. Jess will be I saw her, but
you know she can't just go out all the time
for the next couple of months. Has to be very
careful for her immunity. But happy, happy result all round.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Thank you for the update on your other friend.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And I'm surprised you didn't track me and sounds at
her house still, I only had one cup of tea.
I came straight on my promise.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I'm very very happy when I think of these smart things, Amanda,
back to the toilet, the toilet and stuff. I mean,
some of these things that have come out are ludicrous,
and you know I told you, but the toaster. But
the other one I think is quite amazing is the
smart Smart salt shaker.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Do you have an app for a salt shaker?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, it dispenses salt Amanda. But in addition, it plays music,
it sets mood lighting for your salt and yeah, it's
the interactive centerpiece and salt dispenser that you never knew
you needed.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
If people get into that, then they deserve all the
surveillance they're going to get.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
There's no weighing up the other side. That's just stupid,
that's just darp mess. Yeah. Yeah, unless you send us
one and we'll be happy to try it.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That's right, we will try it, but I want the
matching pepper one.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Do you remember the story we did probably last year
about how people were able to hack the sex toys? Yeah, yeah,
and so someone would be sitting in a meeting with
something inserted and then somebody hacked the system. Yep. You're
going to pay anything, yep, after a few hours to
shut that thing down after a few hours. So I
(21:15):
don't sit on your toaster because you never know what might.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Happen, never know what might happen. Are we done here?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Should we get to our glimmers.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Let's get to our.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I might have to have two glimmers.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
You can have two glimmers AMOUNTA.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
One is that outlander. Blood of my blood has started?
This is the new series, which is a prequel to Outlander,
and I thought I'll just watch a few minutes of
it on the weekend. Well, let me just say I
got swept away in it all over again. There's a
young so it's it's Jamie's mum and dad, and Jamie's
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dad is handsome and brooding and all those charming things,
and his mom the other clan want to sell her off,
blah blah blah, all the drama going through the Stones,
it's all there.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
So does he come to the future or does somebody
go to the Powis then?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Also, I don't want to give too much away to
Claire's parents go through the stones, his parents and her parents.
His parents are back in Scotland in the whatever they
are hers post war going through the stones.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Wow, wow, Wow, I am I am going to be watching.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
That was quite a detailed description I just gave him.
Wow stones Wow. My other glimmer is I was at
the service station the other day and I had an incident,
not an incident, but just a moment. I thought, this
is one of the advantages of being older. When I
was younger, I was mortified to be embarrassed about anything
breathing in and out was embarrassing. It was I think
I felt it more than others, and I don't know why.
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I remember once going home from school, someone kicked a
football from the minute it left their foot hit me
in the head way up into the air. I kept walking.
It booked me on the head, and because that was embarrassing,
I pretended I hadn't noticed, and I just kept walking.
I probably had a broken vertebrae. I just kept walking.
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That's the lengths you go to to not look embarrassed.
I was once on holidays and Dad watched me fall
and roll down it a hill very painfully, and he
said I was smiling all the way down, and when
I got to the bottom, I stood up as if
nothing had happened, because I didn't want to be embarrassed.
It's exhausting. It's exhausting. But I was at the service
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station and I couldn't get the.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Hose.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
The hose. I'd clicked it, nothing happened, clicked it, nothing happened,
And I was waiting and waiting and they wouldn't let
it click over. Something wasn't working. So I under stood
where I was and started waving my arms around, going
oh oi Oi thought, even just a few years ago,
I wouldn't have felt comfortable enough to look like an
idiot and ask for help and say, oh, I don't
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know what I'm doing, give me a hand.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So I just thought that for me was the biggest
step because I didn't care that look like an idiot.
I think I'm old enough now that everyone talks about
being more comfortable in their own skin and all that.
This one about not caring it look like an idiot,
I think is a big one.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I think it's it's lovely too when the people that
are are helping you don't make you feel like an idiot.
I mean that makes a huge difference, because I still
remember when we first moved to Australia, I went and
stopped at a service station to go and get anti
freeze to go and put into the windshield wiper stuff
because in Canada, in the winters you had anti freeze
(24:38):
in your in the water that you put in or
the fluid that you put in, and in summers you
had bug stuff that would take bugs off your windshield.
And I and I was looking around for it and
it wasn't to be seen, and I went into the
to the station, and the guy looked at me and
he kind of, you know, he just kind of nodded
for a moment, and he walked out and and got
(25:00):
a bucket and put a little bit of soap into
it and then filled it up. He goes, we live
in a country that doesn't freeze here in Sydney. He goes,
you're fine now, And I was like, oh, I don't
have to go on buy jars of jugs of things.
And he was lovely and he just kind of like
nicely did that. I liked that.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
He didn't mock you. He didn't a wasted opportunity.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
He probably mocked me after and then let us try
it down terribly. That's true.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
What's your glimma?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
My glimmer is that I'm going to be a grandma again,
and which in November, which is absolutely delightful. And one
of the joys for me is that my daughter in law, Taia,
she's just lovely and she the other day she just
went and grabbed my hand because the little baby was active,
and I got to put my hand on her belly
(25:53):
and feel the little elbows and knees coming up, and
it was just this most beautiful, this gorgeous moment. It
was an amazing glimmer.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You're lucky you're very close to her, because sometimes it's
the mum of the son. You don't get that access
to the stomach.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, yes, the yeah. And it's weird because I still
I remember when I was pregnant. I don't know if
it was the same for you, but I'd be in
a bus and men would come up to me and
put their hands no, yeah, absolutely, kind of going oh
you're big, you know that kind of thing, And it
was just like it was all of a sudden. It
was kind of like your bellies public property.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Interesting because they say it takes a village and in
the old days, a baby was everyone's baby. But it's
inappropriate now where everyone gets to touch your stomach, but
no one helps you raise it. Yeah you don't. You
get the whole package, or you don't get any of it.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, well yeah, no, so that's lovely. That was fair.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Do you know what kind you're having?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Do they know?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
No, it's just this is one of the last vestiges
of a big surprise, and I'm so delivered. So they
knew the first for the first one, and for this
one they're kind of so far they haven't found out.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I'm just that's not exciting, That isn't nice. All right, Well,
if there's anything we've said, if you've had a photo,
perhaps that's of you on the toilet that your vacuum
premer has taken and you'd like to it shows you
at a good angle, that lighting is beautiful. That's now
my screensaver. Anything you'd like to share, please do.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
We'd like to get your collages. See you s
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