October 1, 2025 • 31 mins
We explore the fascinating and fraught world of “bad” words that have been reclaimed over time. Starting with audience feedback on our interview with former neo-Nazi Jeff Schoep, we move from a tale of a doomed cross-stitch kit into a discussion of words, and look at how insults can be re-owned with power while others still sting.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well. Hello, I'm Amanda.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Keller and I'm Anita McGregor, and welcome to Double A Chattery.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And interesting the comments we got from the episode where
we spoke to Jeff Scoop, who was an ex neo
Nazisi now a post Nazi. What's the opposite of Nia
post Nazi.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like an art movement or something.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It does. He was quite extraordinary though that he now
runs an organization and works with people trying to deradicalize
young men in particular move turned to Nazism, but him
talking about we need to treat it with humanity, etc.
If we're angry at a Nazi, it's not going to
change how they feel about being a Nazi. In fact,
(01:09):
it will inflame them. They'll enjoyed enormously. So I found
it really insightful. Well, he said, it's those small drops
of humanity that might make the difference.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I really I really enjoyed his message. It spoke to
I think a lifetime of believing one thing and then
making that change, and that that change doesn't you know
he said, he's rarely seen it just change overnight. So yeah,
I thought that was amazing. I really the comments that
(01:43):
we got, Amunda were quite divisive. Like I thought that,
you know, we got a lot of people who said,
you know, gave me lots to think about, you know what,
an interesting conversation. But there was also people who were
upset about it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yes, and fair enough to I can understand these emotions.
So this is from Muschula and my sons and I
were stuck at a tram stop facing vile men who
were shouting racial insults and threats of violence, spitting at police,
throwing bottles, et cetera. It was frightening, horrible to see
such aggressive behavior. How do I look beyond that to
see humanity? Others saying, look, they are the aggressive ones.
(02:21):
When do I ask them if they're okay? And really
I can see why you think, why should I ask
them if they're okay? Absolutely, as a psychologist, what would
you say Anita to confronting that in our everyday lives?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Oh, you know, I think Jeff was actually right on
when he was saying, you know, if you you know
don't go up to it neo Nazi rally and try
to go and have you know, outs the guy. Can
we have a cup of tea and chat? You know,
that's that is not the time to do it. And
Jeff was saying, when they're surrounded by their meats, they're
(02:53):
going to be you know, puffing up, they're going to
be going you know, it's going to make it worse.
It's not going to make anything better. Or I think
that the key here is safety. If you you know,
if you see people who are yelling, screaming, becoming you know, unhinged,
avoid them like this is this is there's no reason
(03:14):
to go and and try to you know, deal with
that or de escalate that that situation. One I think
Jeff was talking about was finding those golden moments, those
moments where you can have a conversation, that time where
you can when you're prepared to listen to why people
(03:35):
believe what they do what they do, what their story is,
and and find moments where maybe you can just be
human with them.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And that doesn't mean it's your job to de escalate anything.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, and yeah, you have to kind of avoid what
you know, what's called the writing reflex like to to
you know that that moment where somebody says something and
you just want to be right. In that moment, you
just want to tell them how wrong they are. You
want to tell them how the correct way of thinking is.
You want to you want to challenge, and that doesn't work.
(04:08):
That just absolutely doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Want now and put your safety first.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Absolutely around absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
One of these comments. Obviously they got a lot out
of this chat as much as I got out of
this chat. When Jeff said, if you're going to take
this away from young men, you have to replace it
with something. Yeah, I suggested cross stitch. I got a
message here which I very much appreciated. The big question
is where did the cross stitch kits come from? Because
I said that I've decided to buy a cross stitch kit,
(04:37):
and I thought, I'm going to be the kind of
person that doesn't spend the evening scrolling on my phone.
I'm going to be the sort of person that sits
and does a cross stitch. And I'd mentioned that to
Jonesy how I do the radio show with and he
said he will give his right testicle if I complete
the cross stitch. So is there a better incentive to
do this.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I can't imagine one well.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
This bloody cross stitch. It's a beginner's kit, and I
was bamboozled from the minute I opened the box. I
thought that there'd be a drawing on it and i'd
just stitch with I'd do something I don't even know what.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They'd be stamp on.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
There'd be a stamp and it would say put a
little stitch here. No, no, And I couldn't even put
the frame on. I've got don't tell Jones. I've got
one of the girls at work to start it off.
She's a sewer. She said she spent three hours doing
this very small bit, and she said she took no
pleasure in it. She said it was stressful and hideous.
(05:35):
But I have to finish it, and I wanted to
in case I get put on a light detector where
I have to say I did it. I'm going to
have to take it from here.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So every day I've taken it home and I've just
looked at it and put it back in the box.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I think that's probably a very good idea, and it
sounds as so Jonesy's testicles received.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Oh that's what's the most annoying theme. I know.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Oh you know what, We'll go and have a glass
of wine and we'll get you to do one stitch
because that counts, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, I say, this is how it was supposed to look,
just with his moose stitch down the bottom. What do
you think it's It's just a chardonnay.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Stain and your tears done done.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let's get on with today, shall we. Las. The cross
dish just fell on the floor, and that's where it
will probably stay for some time.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Just before you step on the little needle or something.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Actually, that is true. I better be a bit careful. Yeah,
oh now, Anita, speaking of if I stood on that needle,
chances are I might swear, And that's what we're talking
about today.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Chances are high.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I was reading this great article the other day about
the reclaiming of the word bitch, and I thought, what
I hadn't really thought about that, But bitch was really
used as a term, you know, especially against a female,
to go and be insulting and vulgar and you know,
(07:13):
often described a difficult woman. Have you even called a bitch?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Not to my face? Have you not?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
That I can recall?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
And you're a lecturer. I'm sure you have.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh, I'm sure I have, well, and I've worked with
offenders for thirty years, so probably behind my back.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Probably more students, because that's exactly what you'd call it, teacher.
I remember one of the most I still remember, the
air was sucked out of the room at my high school.
Because you see now when you see some schools on
the news and there's swearing and the teachers of lost control,
that looks terrifying to me. We weren't that school. But
there was one day where the teacher walked in and
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some of the tofts up the back said something and
she turned around she said, did you just call me
a bitch? And we wow, all the hairs on our
eye and our heads and our armpits and our everything's
stood up because we've net we were we never had
that kind of language in the classroom, and I went
to a co ed public school. But also to hear it,
(08:11):
teachers say it was the most extraordinary thing. Wow, because
that word has been weaponized. It's a negative word. Absolutely,
what are we reclaiming it to be?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I think you know there's you know that kind of
whole trope. Now about the boss bitch, you know, like
that you can go and call another I don't know that.
I don't know. Can a man call a woman a
bad bitch like a like that she's really tough and
and courageous, and you know, stands a ground that women.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Are calling each other this is it almost like queen? Yes,
queen kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah. Yeah, And so there is this reclaiming of it,
of the term, and you know, it made me think
about some of the words that we have reclaimed, and
sometimes it's been reclaimed as you know that generically, like
everybody can use the word, and sometimes it's only by
(09:03):
the community that it was used against. So the word
queer was used as a slanderous word for somebody who
you know, often who was was gay, who you know,
or who did not kind of embrace the heterosexual lifestyle.
(09:25):
And now queer is a is an accepted term.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Can you and I call someone queer?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah? Yeah, I think so, Yeah, I think that that
would be a reasonable thing to say. But I think
a lot of it depends on intent as well, Like
if I intended as a slur against somebody, then then
it would be you know, it would obviously be taken
as such.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, the other way too. With many of these terms.
People say I'm not racist. I didn't mean it. You
use a term that you don't think is racist, and
then you know, we've got a straight I've got a
history of them, but where they land feels differently for
the people who hear it.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yes, yeah, absolutely, so you know. And the word there
is an Australian word, slag, slag, slag.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I have to play you something with slag. Let's play this.
This is from Home and Away, the TV show that's
gone all around the world. This is from a number
of from the early years of Home and Away, and
this is when everyone was called a slag.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I'm going home yet you're not slag?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
How's you from a pinball slag?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Just say just because you're a slag.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Doesn't live me.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
All the slag because nothing. I called her a stupid slag,
So what you're stupid slag?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You know your pretty boy look that you don't buy
a blondie?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And who's going to do it?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
You ugly slag? Think he's talking to I want to
catch up with that angel slag.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I beg your pardon.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
She's a slag ste so maybe she's a nice slag.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Gets some bad name hanging around with slag like her.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Well you're better off if you ask me, she was
a slag anyway, you're a big slag.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I will not tolerate this kind of insolence.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I know what you've seen.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
That stupid slag. Shut a face, real tough. Go away, Bobby,
don't be slag.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
You know what a slag here?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Slag Kelly Morris got more going through than an ugly
slag like you could even dream about.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Wow, Home and away. That was all said in a school,
all teenage kids calling each other slag.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So when you hear that, because I don't have any
connection to that word, so I don't have an emotional
reaction to it. Do you have an emotional reaction?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
No, Slag was always funny in my books. When we
call each other slags, it didn't have any heat in it,
whereas I can't even the slut word has a sting. Yeah,
even though I could say to someone stupid, actually, I
know I wouldn't. I wouldn't even use that word as
a joke with friends. I met Florence Henderson from from
This is a random conversation from the Brady Bunch, The
(12:08):
Mother and the Brady Bunch, and she loved the word
slut and she'd got everyone a slutty as she was
the most charming woman I met. She She was funny
and I loved it. But she loved the word slut.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
That's hilarious. Yeah, so slut to me would be.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
She never called Marcia woman or Alice if I were
in the career.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh, it just doesn't seem to suit, does it.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Is that a harsh word for you as a Canadian?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yes, slut would be a harsher word, but there was
you know, slag doesn't have it neither does mole.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
No mole. Mole is a really soft one. I think
it's like calling someone like you stupid trout or you know, hey,
mole face. It's it was it said. It's kind of benign.
That's how I feel about the word mole.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Like I just find it really charming that, you know,
the extent of swear words that Australians have. It's just
it amuses me no end, but it's it is interesting,
you know. So slot is a word that still has
a bit of heat, although I think that you know,
(13:14):
some some communities have kind of embraced it as the
word whore. For sex workers. So they really reclaimed that word.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So whore mm hmm is being used by sex workers
about themselves. Yeah, but they I'm sure a sex worker
wouldn't take kinde to being called that by someone.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
No, no, again, It's one of those words that if
you're within the community you could you could use that word,
but outside it not so okay. The one that I
thought was really charming was the word nerd or geek.
That that I remember when I was in high school.
If there is a nerd or a geek, they were
the you know, they were the future in cells. They
were the future guys that you know, they were never
(13:53):
going to get married, you know, they were always going
to you know, they're going to be engineers with pocket protectors.
I mean, that was the picture that we had. And
now they're billionaires running the world.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
That is so true. When I was working Beyond two thousand,
I always tried to steer away from the boffins in
the back room or the nerds in the lab, because
these are the people we were doing the stories with.
And I know they're working in the jet propulsion labs.
I know they're working on superconductors, and they were going
to be the future and now they are and the
richest men in the world, as you.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Say, smart and smart and smart, like as long as
the day, you know, as the day is long, as
the day is long, but possibly dangerous and possibly dangerous
and probably socially awkward. Like that's kind of the you know,
the picture that I had. But now nerds are well
like maybe going on stages, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But I think nerds our classic definition that you just
gave is still true. Elon Musk he says he's got
Asperger's he's one of the richest, most powerful men in
the world who runs a social media organization as well
as putting people into space et cetera, et cetera, and
electric cars. There is a danger when looking at their algorithms.
(15:09):
They are the richest, most powerful and terrifying people in
the world.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, so there's that word. There's the word dyke, which
has again been reclaimed like dikes on bikes of you know,
is kind of like, you know, a very powerful image
for you for lesbians. And the last one that I
don't know how I said with it is the word fat,
(15:33):
fat fat.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Once again, you'd have to be the person to call
yourself that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yes, yes, because if somebody else called you that, that
would be insulting.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I think, yes, absolutely, you know what I've I find
interesting too. It's a word I can't say it out loud,
and I never let my children say it is the
R word. Do you know what I mean by the
R word? No, I'm going to say it now, and
(16:11):
I hope I don't offend people because I find it appointing.
But when I grew up and I know that a
lot of adults still use it retard. Oh yeah, yeah,
I still you know, I feel like I'm sorry to
say that out loud.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's that's our.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Way for me with any word. Yeah, I think that's
a terrible, terrible word.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, you know, as you know, when you look at
the old IQ tasts, that was one of the words
that was used to describe somebody who had a very
low IQ, and that that word has has just kind
of lost, has just been lost in usage.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, let's hope I still hear it quite a bit.
And I remember I work with a man whose son
had physical and intellectual disabilities, and he was a re
aleric in this guy, and he pulled someone up when
he said, when you use that word in the same way.
Remember we used the word mental when we were talking
about something and someone said to us they didn't feel
(17:08):
comfortable with us saying, God, I was dressed like a
mental And I'm very careful how I've tried to stop
using that word now. Sometimes it just says somebody to say,
need someone to say, oh, that's that's not great, and
I yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And I think that even that word mad has you know,
or mental has has again?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Do you think mad is the same as mental?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Maybe? I think that these are words that again when
we call somebody, especially with intent, that that can be
really insulting.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
But it's a word that for so long has been
used for us as to talk about it amongst our friends.
And she's gone mad, meaning that she's doing something ridiculous today.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah. Yeah, So I think that some of the words,
I think lose their sting. Some words are just laughing
in time. Like when I was in high school, for
I was thinking about this, what were the words that
we used when something was really good or really bad?
And I couldn't think of any words that we used,
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like swear words, other like, other than the ones that
we would use currently. But when something was really good,
we called it Ecto, Ecto Ecto or Ecto Supreme.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I was this from excellent.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I don't know, maybe there was a movie reference or something.
I don't know, but I mean we, you know, we
were very cool obviously. Sorry I'm not now, I know
it's just in Canada.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Did you have unreal? Oh that's unreal?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No, not like that, but but definitely Ecto and Ecto
Supreme and maybe even groovy you know, or cool?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Did you were you the groovy is? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well kind of like I was the tail end of
the groovy years. Yeah, like I still remember I had
the genes that that my mom sewed that the bottom
of it and put a triangle.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Off an insert.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, the insects. My mum made those lowry. Oh it's
very groovy.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm going to school the morning after Happy Days debut,
and one kid at the school said to another one, oh,
sit on it. And I thought, oh, are we doing
this now? Even I was cynical at that age that Okay,
here we go, there we go, there and there we went.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And there we went. And so it is interesting how
some words have have come out of fashion and in
fact a maunta we are going to play a game.
Oh are we we're going to play a game. I
has this involved the sea word? No not, because I can.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I just mentioned the sea word before we get to
the game. It's interesting that in the Australian culture the
sea word in the media gets bandied about a lot
behind the scenes, obviously, and I know that North Americans
hate that word. And I saw someone write something the
other day saying, is that the word.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
With my accents be careful.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
So I'm saying, isn't it interesting you hate the sea word.
We hate guns in schools, but we all have our differences.
That's where do we draw the line on a fence?
Oh gosh, So that word isn't part of anything that
you would ever say.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It just count It reminds me of the word and oh,
it just offounds me even to say it is the
word squaw.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Isn't that the word we've all used for a female
in the Native Americans?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah? Yes, And I was actually I wanted to go
and try to figure out the where this came from.
And because what I'd always heard is that it was
the squaw was algonquin for well, well, the sea word
basically like a woman's vagina, like that was the description
(20:53):
and apparently there's some dispute about what it is, but
it has been used in a really derogatory way. So
I would never I would.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So when we say that word, I thought that was
an accepted word like a you know, warrior.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Or like just a female native woman. But no, that's
that's that would not be a word that would be used.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Wow, I never knew that. Okay, I'm ready to play
a game.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Ready to play my game? It is okay, So there's okay.
I mean I say some of these words and I
want you to guess what they mean. So these are
swear words that have have come out.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Of use, so they're old ones.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, so sard or swive.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
S a I d or swive?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah? Yeah, A drunk, No, it's it's actually it's the
old English term for just for the F bomb? Is it?
It is?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It is?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, we're offending ghosts right now? Yeah, you realize.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, and so, and I will give you this hint.
You've just given the answer to say it ur far phen.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Arf passing wind in the bath.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
R far pen means a drunk.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
How are you spelling it?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
A r f A r f a n hyphen a
r F R far fenof.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So do you think they're mocking someone can't have an
addiction because I've had enough to drink.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Either that or they're vomiting something. How about a fop
doodle or a zounder kite?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
A scoundrel?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Uh well, not not quite. It's a fool who continues
to make bad choices. Is this old?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
The English?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Just his old angers? Let me get to some better ones.
A beard splitter?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Is it about the downstairs?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah? A penis? It is a penis, well done, well done? Okay,
around Talian this is a difficult one. Amounder a bum
It's one who scrotum is longer than their penis. I
don't know why you would.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
What is it again?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Around Talion? You break that one down and cross ditch.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I'm going to cross stitch that into my cushion.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And the last one I'm going to give you, oh
no too, I'm going to give you bescumber.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
The smirch.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's what kind of is to spray pool upon them?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We don't even have modern.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Works, We don't even have modern words.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, And the last one I really like is smell
fungus fat. A privileged person who whinds. Some of these
we should be bringing back around.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I think we should do them as cross stitch. I
follow on Instagram a group called the Tiny Pricks Project,
and I love them because anything that this is a
group of I presume women could be anyone from all
around the world, and if Don't Trump says something hugely
inflammatory and disgusting, they cross ditch it into this beautiful
flora little thing. If if someone says something wonderfully inspirational,
(24:09):
like if they're a famous poet has passed, they'll put
something on there. But often they're protests the horrible words
written in a beautiful way to help show the idiocy
of it and to maybe take the sting out of it.
So I'm going to start putting some of these rantalian
sounds like one of the Forgotten Musketeers. You had to
(24:29):
have specially fitted trousers.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
All for one, and I suppose okay, oh wow, yeah,
I so well done on getting at least penis, for
getting at least a penis.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah for beard splitter, well done. Oh you know, And
I was, you know, I was absolutely charmed by some
of these words. I was charmed when I was thinking
about swear words about the French Canadians, they are like
Australians in the way that they swear and all of
their swears and in fact, a lot like English. Uh,
(25:05):
swearing is a lot about religion. So tabel nac, which
is means tabernacle, is probably the ultimate insult. Oh yeah,
swear word. So anything like sacra which means sacred, that's so.
And one of my favorite French Canadian swear words is
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st which just means the host, the like the God's body,
like the host and so, and it.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Is no connection to an English swear. Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Well, all the Canadian like all the English ones like
h zounds and and s truth and uh, snails and
gad zooks, these are all like referring to God, like
gad zooks is God's hooks, snails is God's nails, zounds
(25:56):
is God's wounds. Truth is God's truth. And so even
the milder swears that we would have we would have
never considered. Maybe swears like g golly, gosh, drat crepes,
those are all related to religious words.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
And now most of us are related to targeting minorities.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, oh absolutely, we've we've kind of switched to racially
like most of the real swears that we would use
now would.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Be other physical disabilities or race. We've come a long
way and it's beautiful. Get out your cross ditch ladies.
Absolutely take the sting out of it. There. Well, if
we have upset the gods with our ancient swearing today
brought to you by Anida McGregor, Oll Provider.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Emil for you let us know to hear.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Please join in the chat. We love to read all
your comments.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Shall we do our glimmer? Let's do it so. I
think one of the most charming things that I came
across in looking at swear words, Amanda, was the whole
idea about cockney slang. Now I had heard about it,
but when I was doing a Google search, I came
across cockney slang and I was really surprised that when
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I kind of said all Cockney slang and you went, oh, yeah,
there's there's Australian cockney slang.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
What would you call it? Well, we just call it slang,
a rhyming slang, rhyming slange. So you loved the idea.
It's why you know we thought, well, let's have it
as a glimmer. You loved the idea. The quirkiness of
this Cockney slang, like, what's the examples of the ones
you hadn't heard before?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, so stairs was apples and pears bottle and stopper
was a copper bees, and honey was money, mince pie
was eyes. You know, So there was a whole bunch
of them that were just kind of listed, and it
was apparently it was just this one region in London
East and the East End that that really kind of
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even continue it these using using these words just continues today.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You'll have to start watching east Enders. I think I
might have to and dressed like the Pearly Queen. But
tell me what are the Australian wrongs? Well, these are
the ones that horse and cart is a fart.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Oh, I never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
There's my old china plate, my mate, china plate is
a maze, yeah okay, and a dogs eye in a
dead horse is a pine and sauce. And you know,
really I don't hang around in areas that normally you
would normally hear this. But having said that, if someone
said china plate whatever, I just I wouldn't question. I
just I know exactly what they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
So I have got to say that Australian terms and
swearing and have just absolutely charm me. I remember when
I came here that a friend of a mutual friend
of Rose Helen, when her dad said fairdenkom in a sentence,
I just I lost my mind.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Had you heard it before but thought that it was
a fanciful made up things that Australians did?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yes, yes, yeah, it was kind of like Crocodile's undie
yes kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And it actually used it in real life.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Oh I was. I was absolutely amazed. So I want
to hear more comments.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Please lot, please send us the comments.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And your what is your?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
God is what is mine? Anita. I saw something the
other day and I just you know, when you see
something from a childhood, from your childhood, even if you
didn't have it, and you get a kick in the heart.
I saw the ballerina music box. Did you ever have
one of those?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
No? But I saw those two. It's a little that
came up and the little ballerina stood up and there
was a little tinkly tinkly tune.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I never had one, and I always wanted one, and
I saw one on a TikTok and the lid lifted
up the arena, as you say, lifted up on her
little spring. You wound it at the back, and she
tinkled around and did a pyioid, and there was a
space for your jewelry.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
All yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And I always just seen.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
It was a trunk she stands on top of a truck.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But I saw also someone's old school library bag. Did
you have a library bag? And often it was the
first thing you'd ever make in sewing class, And it
was a bag that I think had a little flap
on the top and a little strap, and you'd put
your library books in it. I hadn't thought of that
for probably sixty years. No, not sixty, I'm sixty. I
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was a very early reader. I'd take her my Aristotle.
That's rhyming slang for the bottle. So I hadn't seen
that since early school days. And I saw it and
it just was a flood of memories and a kick
in the heart and the best way.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
That's amazing. I love those you know again, know me?
And my love of my easy bee oven. Yes, is
that kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
It just takes you right back, whether you had one
or not, It just takes you right back, all right.
Just stupid slag. It's been wonderful spending this time with you.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Love you, Amanda. We'll see an ex se Yah
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well. Hello, I'm Amanda.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Keller and I'm Anita McGregor, and welcome to Double A Chattery.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And interesting the comments we got from the episode where
we spoke to Jeff Scoop, who was an ex neo
Nazisi now a post Nazi. What's the opposite of Nia
post Nazi.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like an art movement or something.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It does. He was quite extraordinary though that he now
runs an organization and works with people trying to deradicalize
young men in particular move turned to Nazism, but him
talking about we need to treat it with humanity, etc.
If we're angry at a Nazi, it's not going to
change how they feel about being a Nazi. In fact,
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it will inflame them. They'll enjoyed enormously. So I found
it really insightful. Well, he said, it's those small drops
of humanity that might make the difference.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I really I really enjoyed his message. It spoke to
I think a lifetime of believing one thing and then
making that change, and that that change doesn't you know
he said, he's rarely seen it just change overnight. So yeah,
I thought that was amazing. I really the comments that
(01:43):
we got, Amunda were quite divisive. Like I thought that,
you know, we got a lot of people who said,
you know, gave me lots to think about, you know what,
an interesting conversation. But there was also people who were
upset about it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yes, and fair enough to I can understand these emotions.
So this is from Muschula and my sons and I
were stuck at a tram stop facing vile men who
were shouting racial insults and threats of violence, spitting at police,
throwing bottles, et cetera. It was frightening, horrible to see
such aggressive behavior. How do I look beyond that to
see humanity? Others saying, look, they are the aggressive ones.
(02:21):
When do I ask them if they're okay? And really
I can see why you think, why should I ask
them if they're okay? Absolutely, as a psychologist, what would
you say Anita to confronting that in our everyday lives?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Oh, you know, I think Jeff was actually right on
when he was saying, you know, if you you know
don't go up to it neo Nazi rally and try
to go and have you know, outs the guy. Can
we have a cup of tea and chat? You know,
that's that is not the time to do it. And
Jeff was saying, when they're surrounded by their meats, they're
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going to be you know, puffing up, they're going to
be going you know, it's going to make it worse.
It's not going to make anything better. Or I think
that the key here is safety. If you you know,
if you see people who are yelling, screaming, becoming you know, unhinged,
avoid them like this is this is there's no reason
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to go and and try to you know, deal with
that or de escalate that that situation. One I think
Jeff was talking about was finding those golden moments, those
moments where you can have a conversation, that time where
you can when you're prepared to listen to why people
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believe what they do what they do, what their story is,
and and find moments where maybe you can just be
human with them.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And that doesn't mean it's your job to de escalate anything.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, and yeah, you have to kind of avoid what
you know, what's called the writing reflex like to to
you know that that moment where somebody says something and
you just want to be right. In that moment, you
just want to tell them how wrong they are. You
want to tell them how the correct way of thinking is.
You want to you want to challenge, and that doesn't work.
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That just absolutely doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Want now and put your safety first.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Absolutely around absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
One of these comments. Obviously they got a lot out
of this chat as much as I got out of
this chat. When Jeff said, if you're going to take
this away from young men, you have to replace it
with something. Yeah, I suggested cross stitch. I got a
message here which I very much appreciated. The big question
is where did the cross stitch kits come from? Because
I said that I've decided to buy a cross stitch kit,
(04:37):
and I thought, I'm going to be the kind of
person that doesn't spend the evening scrolling on my phone.
I'm going to be the sort of person that sits
and does a cross stitch. And I'd mentioned that to
Jonesy how I do the radio show with and he
said he will give his right testicle if I complete
the cross stitch. So is there a better incentive to
do this.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I can't imagine one well.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
This bloody cross stitch. It's a beginner's kit, and I
was bamboozled from the minute I opened the box. I
thought that there'd be a drawing on it and i'd
just stitch with I'd do something I don't even know what.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They'd be stamp on.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
There'd be a stamp and it would say put a
little stitch here. No, no, And I couldn't even put
the frame on. I've got don't tell Jones. I've got
one of the girls at work to start it off.
She's a sewer. She said she spent three hours doing
this very small bit, and she said she took no
pleasure in it. She said it was stressful and hideous.
(05:35):
But I have to finish it, and I wanted to
in case I get put on a light detector where
I have to say I did it. I'm going to
have to take it from here.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So every day I've taken it home and I've just
looked at it and put it back in the box.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I think that's probably a very good idea, and it
sounds as so Jonesy's testicles received.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Oh that's what's the most annoying theme. I know.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Oh you know what, We'll go and have a glass
of wine and we'll get you to do one stitch
because that counts, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, I say, this is how it was supposed to look,
just with his moose stitch down the bottom. What do
you think it's It's just a chardonnay.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Stain and your tears done done.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let's get on with today, shall we. Las. The cross
dish just fell on the floor, and that's where it
will probably stay for some time.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Just before you step on the little needle or something.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Actually, that is true. I better be a bit careful. Yeah,
oh now, Anita, speaking of if I stood on that needle,
chances are I might swear, And that's what we're talking
about today.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Chances are high.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I was reading this great article the other day about
the reclaiming of the word bitch, and I thought, what
I hadn't really thought about that, But bitch was really
used as a term, you know, especially against a female,
to go and be insulting and vulgar and you know,
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often described a difficult woman. Have you even called a bitch?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Not to my face? Have you not?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
That I can recall?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
And you're a lecturer. I'm sure you have.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh, I'm sure I have, well, and I've worked with
offenders for thirty years, so probably behind my back.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Probably more students, because that's exactly what you'd call it, teacher.
I remember one of the most I still remember, the
air was sucked out of the room at my high school.
Because you see now when you see some schools on
the news and there's swearing and the teachers of lost control,
that looks terrifying to me. We weren't that school. But
there was one day where the teacher walked in and
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some of the tofts up the back said something and
she turned around she said, did you just call me
a bitch? And we wow, all the hairs on our
eye and our heads and our armpits and our everything's
stood up because we've net we were we never had
that kind of language in the classroom, and I went
to a co ed public school. But also to hear it,
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teachers say it was the most extraordinary thing. Wow, because
that word has been weaponized. It's a negative word. Absolutely,
what are we reclaiming it to be?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I think you know there's you know that kind of
whole trope. Now about the boss bitch, you know, like
that you can go and call another I don't know that.
I don't know. Can a man call a woman a
bad bitch like a like that she's really tough and
and courageous, and you know, stands a ground that women.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Are calling each other this is it almost like queen? Yes,
queen kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah. Yeah, And so there is this reclaiming of it,
of the term, and you know, it made me think
about some of the words that we have reclaimed, and
sometimes it's been reclaimed as you know that generically, like
everybody can use the word, and sometimes it's only by
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the community that it was used against. So the word
queer was used as a slanderous word for somebody who
you know, often who was was gay, who you know,
or who did not kind of embrace the heterosexual lifestyle.
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And now queer is a is an accepted term.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Can you and I call someone queer?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah? Yeah, I think so, Yeah, I think that that
would be a reasonable thing to say. But I think
a lot of it depends on intent as well, Like
if I intended as a slur against somebody, then then
it would be you know, it would obviously be taken
as such.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, the other way too. With many of these terms.
People say I'm not racist. I didn't mean it. You
use a term that you don't think is racist, and
then you know, we've got a straight I've got a
history of them, but where they land feels differently for
the people who hear it.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yes, yeah, absolutely, so you know. And the word there
is an Australian word, slag, slag, slag.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I have to play you something with slag. Let's play this.
This is from Home and Away, the TV show that's
gone all around the world. This is from a number
of from the early years of Home and Away, and
this is when everyone was called a slag.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I'm going home yet you're not slag?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
How's you from a pinball slag?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Just say just because you're a slag.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Doesn't live me.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
All the slag because nothing. I called her a stupid slag,
So what you're stupid slag?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You know your pretty boy look that you don't buy
a blondie?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And who's going to do it?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
You ugly slag? Think he's talking to I want to
catch up with that angel slag.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I beg your pardon.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
She's a slag ste so maybe she's a nice slag.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Gets some bad name hanging around with slag like her.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Well you're better off if you ask me, she was
a slag anyway, you're a big slag.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I will not tolerate this kind of insolence.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I know what you've seen.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
That stupid slag. Shut a face, real tough. Go away, Bobby,
don't be slag.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
You know what a slag here?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Slag Kelly Morris got more going through than an ugly
slag like you could even dream about.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Wow, Home and away. That was all said in a school,
all teenage kids calling each other slag.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So when you hear that, because I don't have any
connection to that word, so I don't have an emotional
reaction to it. Do you have an emotional reaction?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
No, Slag was always funny in my books. When we
call each other slags, it didn't have any heat in it,
whereas I can't even the slut word has a sting. Yeah,
even though I could say to someone stupid, actually, I
know I wouldn't. I wouldn't even use that word as
a joke with friends. I met Florence Henderson from from
This is a random conversation from the Brady Bunch, The
(12:08):
Mother and the Brady Bunch, and she loved the word
slut and she'd got everyone a slutty as she was
the most charming woman I met. She She was funny
and I loved it. But she loved the word slut.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
That's hilarious. Yeah, so slut to me would be.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
She never called Marcia woman or Alice if I were
in the career.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh, it just doesn't seem to suit, does it.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Is that a harsh word for you as a Canadian?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yes, slut would be a harsher word, but there was
you know, slag doesn't have it neither does mole.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
No mole. Mole is a really soft one. I think
it's like calling someone like you stupid trout or you know, hey,
mole face. It's it was it said. It's kind of benign.
That's how I feel about the word mole.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Like I just find it really charming that, you know,
the extent of swear words that Australians have. It's just
it amuses me no end, but it's it is interesting,
you know. So slot is a word that still has
a bit of heat, although I think that you know,
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some some communities have kind of embraced it as the
word whore. For sex workers. So they really reclaimed that word.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So whore mm hmm is being used by sex workers
about themselves. Yeah, but they I'm sure a sex worker
wouldn't take kinde to being called that by someone.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
No, no, again, It's one of those words that if
you're within the community you could you could use that word,
but outside it not so okay. The one that I
thought was really charming was the word nerd or geek.
That that I remember when I was in high school.
If there is a nerd or a geek, they were
the you know, they were the future in cells. They
were the future guys that you know, they were never
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going to get married, you know, they were always going
to you know, they're going to be engineers with pocket protectors.
I mean, that was the picture that we had. And
now they're billionaires running the world.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
That is so true. When I was working Beyond two thousand,
I always tried to steer away from the boffins in
the back room or the nerds in the lab, because
these are the people we were doing the stories with.
And I know they're working in the jet propulsion labs.
I know they're working on superconductors, and they were going
to be the future and now they are and the
richest men in the world, as you.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Say, smart and smart and smart, like as long as
the day, you know, as the day is long, as
the day is long, but possibly dangerous and possibly dangerous
and probably socially awkward. Like that's kind of the you know,
the picture that I had. But now nerds are well
like maybe going on stages, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But I think nerds our classic definition that you just
gave is still true. Elon Musk he says he's got
Asperger's he's one of the richest, most powerful men in
the world who runs a social media organization as well
as putting people into space et cetera, et cetera, and
electric cars. There is a danger when looking at their algorithms.
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They are the richest, most powerful and terrifying people in
the world.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, so there's that word. There's the word dyke, which
has again been reclaimed like dikes on bikes of you know,
is kind of like, you know, a very powerful image
for you for lesbians. And the last one that I
don't know how I said with it is the word fat,
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fat fat.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Once again, you'd have to be the person to call
yourself that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yes, yes, because if somebody else called you that, that
would be insulting.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I think, yes, absolutely, you know what I've I find
interesting too. It's a word I can't say it out loud,
and I never let my children say it is the
R word. Do you know what I mean by the
R word? No, I'm going to say it now, and
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I hope I don't offend people because I find it appointing.
But when I grew up and I know that a
lot of adults still use it retard. Oh yeah, yeah,
I still you know, I feel like I'm sorry to
say that out loud.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's that's our.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Way for me with any word. Yeah, I think that's
a terrible, terrible word.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, you know, as you know, when you look at
the old IQ tasts, that was one of the words
that was used to describe somebody who had a very
low IQ, and that that word has has just kind
of lost, has just been lost in usage.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, let's hope I still hear it quite a bit.
And I remember I work with a man whose son
had physical and intellectual disabilities, and he was a re
aleric in this guy, and he pulled someone up when
he said, when you use that word in the same way.
Remember we used the word mental when we were talking
about something and someone said to us they didn't feel
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comfortable with us saying, God, I was dressed like a
mental And I'm very careful how I've tried to stop
using that word now. Sometimes it just says somebody to say,
need someone to say, oh, that's that's not great, and
I yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And I think that even that word mad has you know,
or mental has has again?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Do you think mad is the same as mental?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Maybe? I think that these are words that again when
we call somebody, especially with intent, that that can be
really insulting.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
But it's a word that for so long has been
used for us as to talk about it amongst our friends.
And she's gone mad, meaning that she's doing something ridiculous today.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah. Yeah, So I think that some of the words,
I think lose their sting. Some words are just laughing
in time. Like when I was in high school, for
I was thinking about this, what were the words that
we used when something was really good or really bad?
And I couldn't think of any words that we used,
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like swear words, other like, other than the ones that
we would use currently. But when something was really good,
we called it Ecto, Ecto Ecto or Ecto Supreme.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I was this from excellent.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I don't know, maybe there was a movie reference or something.
I don't know, but I mean we, you know, we
were very cool obviously. Sorry I'm not now, I know
it's just in Canada.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Did you have unreal? Oh that's unreal?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No, not like that, but but definitely Ecto and Ecto
Supreme and maybe even groovy you know, or cool?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Did you were you the groovy is? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well kind of like I was the tail end of
the groovy years. Yeah, like I still remember I had
the genes that that my mom sewed that the bottom
of it and put a triangle.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Off an insert.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, the insects. My mum made those lowry. Oh it's
very groovy.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm going to school the morning after Happy Days debut,
and one kid at the school said to another one, oh,
sit on it. And I thought, oh, are we doing
this now? Even I was cynical at that age that Okay,
here we go, there we go, there and there we went.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And there we went. And so it is interesting how
some words have have come out of fashion and in
fact a maunta we are going to play a game.
Oh are we we're going to play a game. I
has this involved the sea word? No not, because I can.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I just mentioned the sea word before we get to
the game. It's interesting that in the Australian culture the
sea word in the media gets bandied about a lot
behind the scenes, obviously, and I know that North Americans
hate that word. And I saw someone write something the
other day saying, is that the word.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
With my accents be careful.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
So I'm saying, isn't it interesting you hate the sea word.
We hate guns in schools, but we all have our differences.
That's where do we draw the line on a fence?
Oh gosh, So that word isn't part of anything that
you would ever say.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It just count It reminds me of the word and oh,
it just offounds me even to say it is the
word squaw.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Isn't that the word we've all used for a female
in the Native Americans?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah? Yes, And I was actually I wanted to go
and try to figure out the where this came from.
And because what I'd always heard is that it was
the squaw was algonquin for well, well, the sea word
basically like a woman's vagina, like that was the description
(20:53):
and apparently there's some dispute about what it is, but
it has been used in a really derogatory way. So
I would never I would.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So when we say that word, I thought that was
an accepted word like a you know, warrior.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Or like just a female native woman. But no, that's
that's that would not be a word that would be used.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Wow, I never knew that. Okay, I'm ready to play
a game.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Ready to play my game? It is okay, So there's okay.
I mean I say some of these words and I
want you to guess what they mean. So these are
swear words that have have come out.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Of use, so they're old ones.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, so sard or swive.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
S a I d or swive?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah? Yeah, A drunk, No, it's it's actually it's the
old English term for just for the F bomb? Is it?
It is?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It is?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, we're offending ghosts right now? Yeah, you realize.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, and so, and I will give you this hint.
You've just given the answer to say it ur far phen.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Arf passing wind in the bath.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
R far pen means a drunk.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
How are you spelling it?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
A r f A r f a n hyphen a
r F R far fenof.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So do you think they're mocking someone can't have an
addiction because I've had enough to drink.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Either that or they're vomiting something. How about a fop
doodle or a zounder kite?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
A scoundrel?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Uh well, not not quite. It's a fool who continues
to make bad choices. Is this old?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
The English?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Just his old angers? Let me get to some better ones.
A beard splitter?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Is it about the downstairs?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah? A penis? It is a penis, well done, well done? Okay,
around Talian this is a difficult one. Amounder a bum
It's one who scrotum is longer than their penis. I
don't know why you would.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
What is it again?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Around Talion? You break that one down and cross ditch.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I'm going to cross stitch that into my cushion.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And the last one I'm going to give you, oh
no too, I'm going to give you bescumber.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
The smirch.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's what kind of is to spray pool upon them?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We don't even have modern.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Works, We don't even have modern words.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, And the last one I really like is smell
fungus fat. A privileged person who whinds. Some of these
we should be bringing back around.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I think we should do them as cross stitch. I
follow on Instagram a group called the Tiny Pricks Project,
and I love them because anything that this is a
group of I presume women could be anyone from all
around the world, and if Don't Trump says something hugely
inflammatory and disgusting, they cross ditch it into this beautiful
flora little thing. If if someone says something wonderfully inspirational,
(24:09):
like if they're a famous poet has passed, they'll put
something on there. But often they're protests the horrible words
written in a beautiful way to help show the idiocy
of it and to maybe take the sting out of it.
So I'm going to start putting some of these rantalian
sounds like one of the Forgotten Musketeers. You had to
(24:29):
have specially fitted trousers.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
All for one, and I suppose okay, oh wow, yeah,
I so well done on getting at least penis, for
getting at least a penis.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah for beard splitter, well done. Oh you know, And
I was, you know, I was absolutely charmed by some
of these words. I was charmed when I was thinking
about swear words about the French Canadians, they are like
Australians in the way that they swear and all of
their swears and in fact, a lot like English. Uh,
(25:05):
swearing is a lot about religion. So tabel nac, which
is means tabernacle, is probably the ultimate insult. Oh yeah,
swear word. So anything like sacra which means sacred, that's so.
And one of my favorite French Canadian swear words is
(25:27):
st which just means the host, the like the God's body,
like the host and so, and it.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Is no connection to an English swear. Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Well, all the Canadian like all the English ones like
h zounds and and s truth and uh, snails and
gad zooks, these are all like referring to God, like
gad zooks is God's hooks, snails is God's nails, zounds
(25:56):
is God's wounds. Truth is God's truth. And so even
the milder swears that we would have we would have
never considered. Maybe swears like g golly, gosh, drat crepes,
those are all related to religious words.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
And now most of us are related to targeting minorities.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, oh absolutely, we've we've kind of switched to racially
like most of the real swears that we would use
now would.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Be other physical disabilities or race. We've come a long
way and it's beautiful. Get out your cross ditch ladies.
Absolutely take the sting out of it. There. Well, if
we have upset the gods with our ancient swearing today
brought to you by Anida McGregor, Oll Provider.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Emil for you let us know to hear.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Please join in the chat. We love to read all
your comments.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Shall we do our glimmer? Let's do it so. I
think one of the most charming things that I came
across in looking at swear words, Amanda, was the whole
idea about cockney slang. Now I had heard about it,
but when I was doing a Google search, I came
across cockney slang and I was really surprised that when
(27:25):
I kind of said all Cockney slang and you went, oh, yeah,
there's there's Australian cockney slang.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
What would you call it? Well, we just call it slang,
a rhyming slang, rhyming slange. So you loved the idea.
It's why you know we thought, well, let's have it
as a glimmer. You loved the idea. The quirkiness of
this Cockney slang, like, what's the examples of the ones
you hadn't heard before?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, so stairs was apples and pears bottle and stopper
was a copper bees, and honey was money, mince pie
was eyes. You know, So there was a whole bunch
of them that were just kind of listed, and it
was apparently it was just this one region in London
East and the East End that that really kind of
(28:09):
even continue it these using using these words just continues today.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You'll have to start watching east Enders. I think I
might have to and dressed like the Pearly Queen. But
tell me what are the Australian wrongs? Well, these are
the ones that horse and cart is a fart.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Oh, I never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
There's my old china plate, my mate, china plate is
a maze, yeah okay, and a dogs eye in a
dead horse is a pine and sauce. And you know,
really I don't hang around in areas that normally you
would normally hear this. But having said that, if someone
said china plate whatever, I just I wouldn't question. I
just I know exactly what they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
So I have got to say that Australian terms and
swearing and have just absolutely charm me. I remember when
I came here that a friend of a mutual friend
of Rose Helen, when her dad said fairdenkom in a sentence,
I just I lost my mind.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Had you heard it before but thought that it was
a fanciful made up things that Australians did?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yes, yes, yeah, it was kind of like Crocodile's undie
yes kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And it actually used it in real life.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Oh I was. I was absolutely amazed. So I want
to hear more comments.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Please lot, please send us the comments.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And your what is your?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
God is what is mine? Anita. I saw something the
other day and I just you know, when you see
something from a childhood, from your childhood, even if you
didn't have it, and you get a kick in the heart.
I saw the ballerina music box. Did you ever have
one of those?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
No? But I saw those two. It's a little that
came up and the little ballerina stood up and there
was a little tinkly tinkly tune.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I never had one, and I always wanted one, and
I saw one on a TikTok and the lid lifted
up the arena, as you say, lifted up on her
little spring. You wound it at the back, and she
tinkled around and did a pyioid, and there was a
space for your jewelry.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
All yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And I always just seen.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
It was a trunk she stands on top of a truck.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But I saw also someone's old school library bag. Did
you have a library bag? And often it was the
first thing you'd ever make in sewing class, And it
was a bag that I think had a little flap
on the top and a little strap, and you'd put
your library books in it. I hadn't thought of that
for probably sixty years. No, not sixty, I'm sixty. I
(30:38):
was a very early reader. I'd take her my Aristotle.
That's rhyming slang for the bottle. So I hadn't seen
that since early school days. And I saw it and
it just was a flood of memories and a kick
in the heart and the best way.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
That's amazing. I love those you know again, know me?
And my love of my easy bee oven. Yes, is
that kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
It just takes you right back, whether you had one
or not, It just takes you right back, all right.
Just stupid slag. It's been wonderful spending this time with you.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Love you, Amanda. We'll see an ex se Yah
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