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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Online bullying might be one of the most challenging and
difficult realities that so many parents are dealing with on
an all too regular basis. Research certainly indicates that Australia
is one of the world leaders in this area, and
not in the way that you want to find us leading.
Only children in the United States report being bullied more
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online than Australian children. Hello and welcome to the Happy
Families Podcast, Real Parenting Solutions every Day. This is Australia's
most downloaded parenting podcast. We are Justin and Kylie Coulson
and all this week we've been recapping, reviewing, and talking
about what happened on Monday night in episode one of
our third season of Parental Guidance on Channel nine. You
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can catch up on nine now, Kylie. Perhaps the most
difficult conversation of all the conversation about cyber bullying.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We're in the middle of a challenge about online bullying
to see how our children respond when confronted with a
bullying scenario.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
If I felt like yesterday's conversation left me a little
bit harrowed, today I'm feeling actually really raw.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
This has actually been really confronting to me and it
actually breaks my heart that there is just so much
pain out there, and that our kids, in an effort
to understand their world, are inflicting that pain, that internal
pain they're feeling on others in just really just devastating
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ways and the impact that it has on everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So we're going to share some of what happened in
these challenges that we did with the families on printal
guidance in just a moment before we do that, just
a reminder of how extraordinarily pervasive and how breathtakingly dangerous
cyber bullying can be for our children. This is an
area that is I was going to say complex. I
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think complex is really the issue. There's something about the
anonymity of the screen, the ability to hide behind a
fake name in a fake environment, that seems to bring out,
at least for some, the very worst in human nature.
So let's have a conversation Kylie about what happened in
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In fact, rather than you and I talking about it,
let's just go straight to some audio which will explain
how this challenge works and will also share some of
those confronting audio clips of what these kids were saying
in this game.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
We've created a private gaming room with four child actors
playing the role of the other game. It's the child
actors are following a script. It is based on actual
reported online bullying incidences. Your child will be playing under
the name Pineapple when they're confronted with the bullying, I
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know what to do, Rothie Rose gets thirty minutes to
play an online game with new paid exciting, very exciting.
In this challenge, there are four child actors. Three are
playing the bullies. Hi Basic Taco is the victim, and
Rose has joined the game as Pineapple. They can all
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chat to each other in a private game setting.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Hey, Pineapple, I like the house.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
You suck at this game, Basic Targo.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
I'm just learning the drink dish washing liquid and dye Taco.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Jesus, it's my children knows that a game is different
from the real world In real life, people don't say
that to you in a school setting. It's happened right
in front of my eyes.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
I felt like he looked rattled. I think I felt
like he looked like especially the go and die comment.
I felt like after that he was.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Like shook, yeah, but he didn't want to share that
as well.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
We didn't know all the yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
I feel like he was like, what is going on?
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yeh, it's a.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Different world for him, But I think he was he
was striking to figure out how to use the computer,
which was a learning code for us. I didn't realize
he didn't know how to type something and.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Then push it into like basics.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So so many thoughts going through my mind right now.
I think about Amy and Mark's son, the active parents,
and his absolute inability to navigate that space. And while
there is definitely some challenges in a high tech world
that we live in that he doesn't have the capacity
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to navigate a keyboard or a laptop, I just was
so grateful that he had no idea what was going on, and.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
He's got plenty of time to learn. It's not like
he needs to know now.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
That's right. But then you've got the other extreme with
Tammy and Mark's son Eddie, who he saw it was
going on and he knew that he did not want
to be a part of it, but his response was
to eliminate the other team players, wiped them out, Like
how does that work? And then the conversation that was
had by Sean and Ilvie. We haven't actually been introduced
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to them yet. But they're the authoritative parents in the room.
And Sean actually acknowledged that, you know, it's really easy
for kids to have these kinds of conversations when they're
hiding behind a screen and for all intents purposes, not
a real name. But his comment that people don't talk
like that when they're in your face actually hit me
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really hard, because we have one of our children who
is literally dealing with this on a regular basis. Not
that those words are being said to her specifically, but
that's the kind of language that one of her friends
uses on a daily basis in just about any situation.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And yeah, Amanda and Hassan pointed out, this stuff is
being said in real life. I mean not in all circles,
but certainly there's a lot of kids who they say
some really brutal things to one.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Another and have no concept.
Speaker 8 (06:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I don't know if they have no concept at all.
I think that's hard for us to judge. But let
me respond to a couple of things that you've said.
First off, in terms of not having any tech savvy
when you're young, it may be to your disadvantage in
certain areas of life as you get older, but I
think it's unlikely. Pretty much, once you get to high school,
you're going to be on a computer. Know what's fascinating
the Silicon Valley tech gurus. They send their kids to
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schools where there are wooden toys and no screens. I
think they're going to be okay, right like our kids,
if they have lower levels of screen time, will be fine.
And I like that Mark and Amy's family is where
they are. As for the killing, I'm in two minds, right.
So here's Eddie, Mark and Tammy the upfront parents son,
and he's like, I don't like what you're doing, and
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he just goes and removes them from the game. And
I like that, Like, this is not real life. These
are complete strangers. They're not following any kinds of rules
of civility. They're being really toxic. And in that context,
I don't really have a problem with him shutting them down.
He wanted them to be quiet in nice ways. They
weren't quite in nice ways. They're gone in real life.
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I can't imagine that he's going to do anything terribly drastic,
but he's going to be able to confront people in
a different way and get a different result. I just
I don't think that it's a problem in the online world,
and I like the way that they dealt with it
since there was no there was no sense that the
bullies were going to back down. As for what kids
say in real life, I mean, we've just got to
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raise our kids to be sensitive and considerate and think
about what they're saying. Overall, though, this is a fascinating challenge,
fascinating challenge and the impacts are significant. You know what
stood out to me was the incredible conversation we've got
to have with the Safety Commissioner Julian man Grant going
to replace some of that right after the break, plus
talk about what you can do to keep your kids
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safe from online bullies. We had a guest on this
week's episode, one of the leading experts in the field
of everything online.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
To help us navigate this tough conversation. We have gone
all the way to the ultimate Australian authority, Julie in
Mangrant is Australia's e Safety Commissioner. Julie is joining us
now in the parent Lounge. How bad can cyber bullying get?
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Unfortunately, one in five Australian children will experience cyber bullying.
Girls tend to be bullied more than boys. There's an
acronym called kys go kill yourself. We've been seeing that
be used a lot. It's almost always pure to peer,
so it's tied to conflict that's happening within the school gets.
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So when schools or principles say not our problem, even
if it's not happening during school hours, it's often within
the school community.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
What comparents do if they know or feel their child
as being cyber bullied? Where can they go?
Speaker 5 (09:17):
You come to ear safety report a cyber bullying if
it's threatening, intimidating, harassing, or humiliating. We have a ninety
percent success rate in terms of getting that homeful content down.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
We're all very shocked and it's actually discussing that teenagers
are using that kind of words onlines actually unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I don't want the.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Kids to do on too much online where they can get.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
Bullied, but it was interesting also to hear that a
lot of the time it's within the own community or
within the school grounds, it's actually the friend groups that
are doing the bullying.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We need to give some sort of technology to our
kids to let them learn around computers, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Because we are changing world.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I don't think we can underestimate the kind of impact
bullying can have on a child's identity, their personal development,
their psychology. Of course, the worst case scenarios we've seen
younger and younger, often young girls take their lives.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
You can see from the challenges that the boys are
definitely confident in that.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
World, very skillful management of online bullying, which shows to
me that's just very lot of experience dealing with that situation.
Speaker 8 (10:34):
They're spending way too much time on screen.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
But how we are on it for sixteen hours.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
When they get older, what else can they do that
top of world is very limited?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I would disagree with you.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
I think that technology opens up a lot of opportunities.
We need to be more open minded to things, because
otherwise you could then limit yourself and your children.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
This is such a huge topic. It would be great
if we could talk about some helps for parents to
navigate this space.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So pretty generic response from me, because the simple answers
and solutions are usually the best. First up, you've got
a monitor in supervised know what your kids are doing,
just know what games they're playing, Know what the parental
controls are that have been set up and be across
what's happening in their online worlds. As they get older
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that becomes more difficult, but certainly while they're younger this
is not hard at all. I'd say from the age
of fifteen to sixteen it gets tricky, but prior to that,
no worries usually in most homes. My second really strong
advice is keep screens in living areas, no screens in bathrooms,
no screens in bedrooms. Why when you talk to people
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from the Australian Senate account of Child Exploitation, the Australian
Federal Police, Julian mcgrant, the Safety Commissioner, they all say
the same thing, and that is that when children are
being exploited, it doesn't happen in the living area. It
happens in the bedroom, in the bathroom. That's where all
the photos, that's wherell the video is, that's where all
child exploitation material comes from. This this is such an
easy one. It's such an easy one. Just keep them
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out of bedrooms and bathrooms. Third one, in her own words,
Julian mc grant talk early and talk often. Got to
have these conversations. That's why we're doing this on the
TV show. Use the block and report button as much
as you need to use it. Freely teach the children
how to block and report. Last two ideas escalate things
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if necessary. You can go to the well. I was
going to say, you can go to the platform, but
usually they're not helpful. But you can go to schools,
school boards, You can go to the police. You can
certainly go to the e Safety Commissioner e safety dot
gov dot au. There are so many different places that
you can escalate and it's important to do that. Why
let me share a story that my mum shared with
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me from when she was a kid, and it's always
stuck with me. Her dad had a friend over. The
friend did and said a couple of things that were
completely inappropriate, nonconsensual, and made my mum feel extremely uncomfortab.
They were things of an inappropriate nature. When that man
left my mum and well my grandparents' house, my mom
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commented to her dad, my grandpa, what had happened. And
my grandfather said, he'll never come to our home again.
I'm so glad you told me, and he kept his word.
That person was never invited into their home again. He
made the call I'll protect my child.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I know that many parents will try and sometimes it
feels like everything is stacked against you when you're trying
to protect your child. But these are the steps that
we take to protect our children from online bullies and
from bad actors online. It's been a heavy week. Has
been a heavy week. This is why this is such
a big topic.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
This is why I love this show so much. It
really packs a punch and hits to the core of
the really tough topics. If you're struggling to have conversations
with your kids around this, watching the show opens up
a floodgate of conversation starters. It's powerful.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
We're going to take a break from Parential Guidance content tomorrow.
We're back with Old Who Better Tomorrow, just a regular
old Here's how things are going in our family this week,
which would be a nice release, because, let's be honest,
some of the discussions have been pretty heavy. Parential Guidance
returns again on Monday. We'll have another preview episode for
you on Monday ahead of that. In the meantime, though,
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thank you so much for listening. We hope that you're
getting heaps out of both the show, Parental Guidance Season three,
available to stream on nine Now and watch live on
Monday nights at seven point thirty on nine. If you'd
like more information and resources to make your family happier,
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