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families dot com dot au today. Only one question today
comes from an anonymous listener who says our teenager has
a very different outlook on life to me. She gets
good grades, has great friends, and is involved in sport
and music. She's happy to coast through her life, though
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she doesn't aim high as I did, but rather is
happy with good enough in all aspects of her life.
She says she just wants to be happy and get
an okay job. Her words. Should I be thankful that
she has a balanced outlook on life or be pushing
her to achieve more as she's so academically capable. Part
two of the question a chores a chance to tune
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out or should that be present during chores? My husband
often wears EarPods when he's doing chores, even in our kitchen,
cooking or tidying up. It bugs me. The rest of
our family are in the same space, often trying to
connect in a casual way. But he says he's doing
enough by helping at home and should be able to
listen to whatever he wants while he's in the kitchen,
maybe your podcast. Sometimes he gets very cranky when I
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politely ask him to remove them when he's inside with us.
Any advice, Okay, love both of these questions. Let's start
with the cruzy teen who's happy, go lucky and just
doesn't seem to want to put the effort in. I
have a couple of ideas around here that might be useful.
What I'm hearing when I listen to this question is
a parent who has climbed, I don't know, forty maybe
fifty runs on the ladder of life. If each rung
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represents a year of your life, you're climbing up and
up and up, and obviously the higher you go, the
better your perspective. You can see more. You can see
past the forest, you can see through the woods, you
can see around corners and through the shadows. You know
what's coming, and as a parent who loves your children
very much, you're invested in them making the best decisions
possible to find their way through this journey of life
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in the most effective, efficient and successful way possible that
makes sense. Of course, force creates resistance, and anyone who's
ever raised a teen or being a team knows that
most teens don't love parents being on their case and
telling them what to do. So you've got the situation
where you want the very best for your child, your
child wants the very best for themselves, but they think
that they know better, and you're now trying to tell
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them that in spite of their limited view and your
wonderful view, and you're trying to talk to them. The
difficulty is they don't know how good the view is
from where you are. They can only see the view
from where they are, and it's never been better than
it is right now for them. They see you as old,
out of touch, at least a generation older than them.
In fact, most of them think that we were born
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well over a generation before them. Despite the math's not
working out, And so there's this conflict, this tension that
makes it really hard. Where do you go with this well,
I think the most important thing to remember, given that
force creates resistance, is that the harder you work to
take away your autonomy, the more you work to convince them,
the more they'll push back. Like I said, force creates resistance.
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There's an old couplet that said one convinced against their
will is of the same opinion. Still, you can have
every conversation out of the sun, you can talk into
your blue in the face. But until your daughter buys
into it and starts to have that perspective taking moment,
it's not going to happen. Everything that your child does
makes sense to them, even if it doesn't make sense
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to you, And that perspective taking is very, very challenging.
Getting them to take yours is even harder. As a
dad of a couple of twenty somethings now three twenty somethings, now,
I can tell you how refreshing and how delightful it
is when they say to you, I really appreciate what
you were trying to tell me six or seven or
eight years ago. I get it now, I can see it.
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But when they're going through their adolescent years, they just
can't see it, and it's infuriating. Okay, So here's where
we go with this. Conversations need to be consensual. That is, hey,
I've been thinking about this thing. Would you be open
to having a milkshake with me and chatting with me
about it a bit. This is not an explorer explained
in power conversation as much as it's two people trying
to wrestle around with some tricky things. And I find
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that a useful framing can be upside downside. In other words,
let's say you've got two opposing views. You say to
your child, Okay, your view is this, you want to
cruise through life. You've got this nice balanced out look
you find having a I don't know, a minimum wage
job and just doing enough. I get it. It's really appealing,
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especially especially when you're a teenager looking at things and
looking at all the stress that school can create. What's
the upside here? And so get them to explore the
upside with you. They'll talk about how nice it feels
to be relaxed, and how everything's probably going to work out,
and they come from a good family, like the upside
is really apparent to them, and then you can talk
to them about the downside. That's the next question, what's
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the downside to you making these choices? If they're willing
to be honest with you, they will acknowledge that there
are several pitfalls to this approach. Nevertheless, there are also
I mean, the upside's real and this is the great challenge, right.
I mean, I was a high school failure. I scored
on the bottom fifteen percent of New South Wales in
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my HSC and it wasn't until I was twenty seven
years of age, married with a mortgage, a couple of
kids that I went back to school and literally turned
my life around. So if they do want a cruise,
there is still the potential that that can change later
in life. It's just that the numbers are against them.
The probability is lower and lower the older they get. Nevertheless,
there's an upside downside conversation looking at their choices. Then
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you can spin around and say, well, let's have a
look at it from my perspective, what's the upside to
working really hard at school and perhaps having a little
bit more get up and go, And then what's the downside.
Once you've had that conversation, hopefully your child will walk
away and start to contemplate the discussion. I guarantee you
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they're not going to look at you and say, well,
this has changed everything. I'm so motivated, inspired, I'm ready
to go right now. Thank you so much for doing that.
That won't happen. What does happen, though, is kids go
away and they think about stuff, and little by little
attitudes can shift, not all the time, but sometimes. And
I think this is probably going to be your best bet. Ultimately,
who we are as models is going to be more
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predictive of who our children become than anything else. It
takes a real concerted effort on the part of our
children to buck the trend or buck the conditioning and
the socialization that we've given them. Some do, but if
we can maintain those good relationships and support our kids,
they'll usually be fine. I think there's one more thing
I'd add, and that is just to find that thing
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your child might not be particularly motivated because for many children,
and I say this with no disrespect of people working
in education, but for many kids' school really does suck.
They just they hate it and they don't see an
academic element to their futures. I had a student at
a school in Brisbane Just last week, when I was
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giving a talk about year eleven, year twelve and what
to expect and how to do well and what options
they have, I had a student put up his hand
and said, he said, I just don't understand why I
have to do the maths that I have to do,
given that I'm never going to do maths again once
i leave high school, certainly not this kind of maths.
What's the point? And this is a legitimate question that
a lot of kids are asking. This doesn't seem relevant
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at all. And that's why I think there's real value
in finding the thing that lights them up and finding
the thing that they can really orient themselves towards and
move forward in that direction. Because then, well, if that
maths is necessary to get there because they want to
go to UNI, more power to them. They're going to
get in there and do it. And if it's not
because they have different plans, then they can have that
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a more relaxed approach. They can have an alternative approach
because they've found the thing that really does it for them.
Now let's step into part two about a husband in
the kitchen using his EarPods rather than participating in the
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family discussion This one really frustrates me. I totally get
where you're coming from this one. It's one of those
situations where it's totally understandable that you'd feel bugged by
your husband's epod habit. When you feel disconnected from your
husband or partner and you're sharing the same space, it's frustrating,
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and it makes sense that you would crave those casual
moments of connection because that's what we all do, That's
how most of us are wired. Now here's what I
want to recommend. It's important to understand his perspective. It
doesn't mean that you're necessarily going to accept it, but
it's important to understand where he's coming from. When I
hear your perspective, his response seems dismissive. However, it's possible
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that your husband is using his EarPods as a way
to create a sense of personal space and decompress while
still making a contribution to what needs to happen at home. Now,
you and I both agree that he's got his priorities
around the wrong way. It's actually about involvement. It's not
about helping that is, it's about being together and having
that casual connection more than it's about getting the dishes
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dried and put away. A lot of people, though, find
listening to musical podcasts really soothing and it can help
them focus on mundane chores. I think, though, that it's
important that he understands that his choice is impacting your
ability and the ability of the kids to connect with him.
And that's ultimately what this is about. The task is
the vehicle to connection. It's not the purpose of the ride.
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The whole idea is that we're spending time together. Every
night in our family, we have all in and that
means everyone comes into the kitchen and they help with
the dishes and the clearing of the table, and the
sweeping or the vacuuming of the mopping of the floor.
We're all in there together for ten, fifteen, twenty minutes
getting the job done. And it's about togetherness. It's not
actually about the task though. It's about the conversations. It's
about the laughter. It's about the continued discussion from the
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kitchen table. So what do you do about it? I
think there's a couple of things. Number one, what's his
expectation of the kids They allowed to have their headphones
in as well. Is he fine with that or is
that not okay? Because consistency is important more than anything, though,
I think that we've got to communicate really clearly and
really collaboratively. What does that mean. It means probably four things,
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maybe five things. Number one, you've got to choose the
right time. It's not the right time to have the
conversation while he's in the middle of cooking or cleaning
and the EarPods are in. You don't rip about and
say we need to talk about this. I've had enough.
Really need to find a neutral time when you can
both talk calmly and openly. And while I don't talk
about this sort of stuff much on the podcast, and
I'm not a huge fan of the quote unquote eye statements,
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sometimes they're really helpful. Expressing your feelings using eye statements
gets messages across. So you might say, I feel disconnected
when you wear your ear pods while we're in the
kitchen together. I miss our casual chats. I miss the
chance to connect with you. You're not blaming him, You're
not telling him there's anything wrong with him. You're saying
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I feel this, I missed that, I want this, And
what I'm really be working towards is focusing on the positive,
If you frame your request in terms of what you'd
like to gain rather than what he's doing wrong, it's
going to go down much better. An example would be,
I'd love it if we could have earpod free time
in the evenings while we're making dinner, while we're tidying up,
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because it means so much to me when we have
that time to connect, and the kids love it as well.
So we're really focusing on the benefit to having the
ear pods out rather than you're dismissing us. You're ignoring us,
you're abrogating your responsibilities as a father and a husband.
And I think there's also value in considering what a
compromise or negotiation might look like. Maybe he promises to
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just wear one earpod instead of two, or he agrees
that he'll go earpod free at some times but not others.
I don't know where you'll fall on that, and certainly
i'd struggle with some compromises around this, but maybe some
of those will work for you ultimately. Ultimately, I think
that if he continues to dismiss your feelings, if he
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refuses to talk with you, if there's no willingness at
all to compromise if there's an unwillingness to connect. I
think that there's boundaries that can be set. You might say,
I get it. I know that you need personal time.
We all do. It makes sense you using the EarPods
in the kitchen is a barrier to the relationship and
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that's not acceptable to me. And so therefore you might say,
I'd rather be in the kitchen with the kids without
you there, so that we can have time together without
feeling like we're on eggshells around you because you've go
that the earphones in. Or you might say, I just
you're going to have to clean up the kitchen on
your own because we're missing under that connection time and
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you can go and do something else with the kids.
I don't know. I mean, this is where it starts
to get messy, and I want to tread very carefully
but sometimes cynically. A boundaries and't just saying I'm an
adult here and I have feelings too, might be where
you go. I really think that those other ideas are
going to be more helpful though, choosing the right time
to communicate using some carefully phrase eye statements, really focusing
on the positive of having those ear pods out and
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trying to compromise if it's necessary. Sometimes, sometimes this type
of behavior can be a symptom of a larger issue.
Your husband may be consistently withdrawing, consistently being disengaged, and
if he is, it's probably going to be helpful to
explore those underlying dynamics. This is where you go and
have couples counseling. It can be a valuable resource for
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navigating the challenges and strengthening your connection. Open communication, though,
mutual respect, willingness to compromise, they're probably going to be
the best solutions to resolve in this type of conflict.
I think that by expressing your needs really clearly and respectfully,
you will be able to create a more connected and
fulfilling relationship. Good luck, hope it works. Thank you so
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