March 5, 2023 • 18 mins
Justin shares a sneak peek of Thursday's FREE webinar, a Resilient Parent
Topics included in this episode -
- Justin reads an email from a listener
- What is ChatGPT?
- ChatGPT writes a poem about school refusal
- Justin shares how he plans to use ChatGPT in his work
Find us on Facebook at Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families
Email us your questions and comments at podcasts@happyfamilies.com.au
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
time poor parent who just wants answers.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Now, the content that chat GPT spits out is only
as good as the information that it has access to,
and therefore it means that education really has to come
back to absolute fundamentals, but helping them to understand how
to think critically.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And now here's the stars of our show, My mum
and dad.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello. This is doctor Justin Coulson, the founder of happy
Families dot com. Do you and the author of a
whole bunch of books about making your family happier? Oh,
and the hosts a co host and parenting expert on
Channel nine's Parental Guidance. I'm here with Kylie. Hi, Kylie,
And you're not going to say hello to me? I'm
here with Kylie. Hi, Kylie.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Why you don't want to say hello to me?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I don't want to say hello because we've already said
hello to each other today? Is that the issue?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You don't want to perform the hello? Hello?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Love it? That's so great. We are the parents have
six children who will roll their eyes when they listen
to this on the way to school in the car.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And today I'll still listen.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
They will see that's right, and they will still be
rolling their eyes because we're talking about them rolling their eyes.
So many things to talk about in today's podcast. First
thing that I wanted to do, Kylie, We're going to
talk today about chat GPT.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That like General Practitioner, no.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
No, no, no, I love you said that chat GPT is
an AI computer program. Chat GPT is. Well, we'll talk
more about it soon, but I think it's the future.
I think it's the future of education, it's the future
of life on this planet. Maybe. Oh and chat GPT
is a big deal and I want to share with
you exactly how cool it is in just a couple
of minutes. But before we talk about chat GPT, two
(01:46):
other quick announcements. The first is that this Thursday night,
we've got a freewebinar Happy families dot com dot a
U or our Facebook page doctor Justin Collson's Happy Families
Free webinar.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, in today's climate, to have anything free is pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Free webinar free, it's free, and it's all about being
a resilient parent. So today's climate means lots of stress,
financial challenges, mental health issues and more. And I'm going
to be running a free webinar about twenty five minutes
worth of content to help you as a parent to
be more resilient. So that's this Thursday night. Get all
(02:22):
the info on our Facebook page, on our Instagram or
at happy Families dot com dot a you. Second thing
that I wanted to mention just quickly, Kylie. It was
a couple of weeks ago, and I've kind of the
email has been in my inbox and every time we
sit down to put together a podcast episode, I forget
to mention it. And I came through on February fourteen,
so it's like three weeks ago. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Don't look at me like that.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
There's been a lot going on. I've just finished another book.
For goodness sakes, you're a bat of Valentine's for me.
It actually does have to do with Valentine's. Do you
remember about a year ago I told you that I
had accidentally signed up to write four books in two years.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Just finished the third one, just finished the third one.
Why I forgot to mention this beautiful, beautiful email from
Kristin Kelly, who simply said, Hey, guys, I just wanted
to say thanks for the community you provide for us
families that are waiting through parenting one day at a time,
she said, Today, being Valentine's Day, one of my daughters
in year twelve, who has recently broken up with her boyfriend,
(03:18):
was heading off to school to discover her ex boyfriend
was asking her friend to the formal ouch and jeez,
I felt it for her. Why is it so painful
for us? I know where her parents, but I feel
like she took her better than I did. I jumped
onto happy families looking to feel consoled or take some
sort of control. As much as I know we need
to stand back. Kylie's Valentine's breakfast popped up and we're
(03:41):
now having a Valentine's afternoon tea. Another our daughters rushed
off to the office to fill an anonymous Valentine's Day
card to be delivered at once to our older daughter.
I bless their hearts from Kristin and fam and so
I just wanted to share that because what we're sharing
on this podcast and what we share on our Facebook
page makes difference. People feel better, people change their lives
as a result of it. We've had a couple of
reviews come through just lately on now on Apple Podcasts.
(04:04):
Thank you so much to Jod's nine ninety five who
said listen to this makes me feel so much better
as a parent. Great listening. Five stars and because.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
We tell her all our misdemeanors.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And children's speech gave us five stars as well. Love it,
really enjoy listening to this podcast, helpful tips and topics
that are highly relatable. Thank you. And there's a whole
lot of others that have come through as well. There's
been like nearly six hundred reviews that have come through
on Apple Podcasts, so that's the housekeeping out of the way,
and also a big thanks to Kristen and a reminder
about the free webinar.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Now, well, I'm interested to know what this chat GPT is.
If it's not a general practitioner, you get to chat
to him on technology.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
So chat GPT is basically an AI. It's an AI
program artificial intelligence program where you can jump on to
the program itself chat GPT and you literally just type
in a question and it answers the question for you.
So you can tell it's to give you a toothat
so it's going to just like this is the ultimate
(05:00):
sheet it's the Ultimately, this feels like.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
The Jensen's, like we're living in the future, the Jensens.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
You said, the Jensens. I'm sure the Gensens appreciate feeling futuristic,
but it was the Jenson's.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Jenson.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah. So you literally, let's say that your English teacher
or your health teacher gives you an assignment that says
two thousand words on such and such a topic. You
type in a chat GPT, and it provides you with
a two thousand word essay, formatted appropriately, referenced appropriately. It's
all there. You literally don't have to do the work,
(05:40):
just type into chat GPT anyway it goes.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Okay, Okay, you're saying that this is the best thing
since sliced bread.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I didn't say the best things since sliced bread. But
it's phenomenal. I think it's it's extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Well, if our kids are using this to do their
assessment work, then what are they learning.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, this is where it gets really important. So there's
a whole lot of risks associated with chat GPT, but
there's also a whole lot of benefits. So just before
I answer that question, I jumped into chat GPT right
before you sat down, and I decided that I was
going to ask it to We're always hearing about school refusal.
School refusal is a really big deal. So I just
(06:17):
typed into chat GPT, what are the three best recommendations
for dealing with a child who refuses to attend school
due to anxiety and a troubled home life? And then
I thought I would make it a bit trickier for
chat GPT, so I said, provide the answer in three
hundred words. And then I thought I would add one
more element using poetry, So I asked it to write
(06:37):
me a poem about school refusal and three recommendations for
making it better.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So I'm just letting you know that with this new knowledge,
I expect a poem right you want. Chatch three Valentine's State.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Let me read to you what it said.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It literally spat this out within about fifteen seis of
me pressing go. It literally just line by line a
type that it provided the content for me that fast.
It says this in times of trouble, when things seem
bleak and child's anxiety makes them afraid to speak, when
school becomes a place they can't better go, and the
troubles at home start to overflow. It's important to take
(07:18):
a step back and breathe and focus on the child's needs,
not just what they need to achieve. Here are three
recommendations to help them through and hopefully to a brighter future.
Guide them to. Firstly, make sure to listen and show
that you care. Let the child know that their feelings
are valid and you'll always be there. Create a safe
space where they can express what's on their mind, and
don't be afraid to ask for help if solutions you
(07:39):
cannot find. Secondly, seek our professional support and guidance. Whether
that be therapy or counseling. They can provide much needed guidance.
That's a really bad part of the poem right there.
There are many resources available, so don't hesitate to ask,
and remember there's no shame in admitting you need to
take that task. Thirdly, work with the school to create
a supportive environment, one where the child feels safe and
(07:59):
free from judge and harassment, a place where they can
learn and grow at their own pace, and where the
teachers work together to help the child find their place
in conclusion. When a child's anxiety and troubled home life
take hold, it's important to remember that there are ways
to break the mold. Listen to the child, seek professional support,
and work with the school, and with these recommendations, hopefully
they can once again find their coll what's your response
(08:22):
to that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Absolute cheating?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Is your mind blown? Though?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes, my mind is blowing mind? But this is my point?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What is your point?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
If kids have got access to this, then what are
they learning? They're literally going to put in the question
for their thesis. They would confind your thesis.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, isn't it fascinating what happens here? So this is
why I don't think we need to be afraid. There's
a handful of things in there that clearly do not
make it an A plus. Some of the poetry is
not quite right, and even the advice is given, it's
actually pretty good advice. But there are ways that we
could tweak that and make it fun more nuancedays.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
But plenty of people won't bother and nor.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Will they write a poem to get the message across.
But more than that, the content that chat GPT spits
out is only as good as the information that it
has access to. The bigger the database, and the better
the quality of information, the better What chat GPT will
give you, and therefore it means that education really has
(09:26):
to come back to absolute fundamentals. Make sure that kids
can obviously read and write, but helping them to understand
how to think critically, how to evaluate information, how to
be creative, and how to synthesize and bring together disparate
bits of information and say, well, how does this work
with that? Okay, chat GPT has given me X, Y
(09:48):
and Z, but I've still got LMNO, and P that
don't fit there. How do we bring this together? What
I actually think that chat GPT does is it gives
us a access to good information and then we get
to develop our thinking, our critical skills around that to
see the things that only humans can really do.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So you're suggesting that it kind of just gives you
a step up. It starts the process for you. You
know how when you were in high school and you
looked at an assignment and you kept putting it off
because you just couldn't take that first step. Are you
saying that that's what this is?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I think so yeah. But it puts a lot more
onto teachers and students because I think what we're really
going to be facing is a world where we need
to know how to fact check well written arguments. That's
going to become more and more important. So clear communication matters,
but critical thinking the ability to look at say something
and say, you know that works, that's really good, except
(10:50):
that's not consistent with this thing over here or that
thing over there. That to me is where the real
wow thing is and that's where the distinctly human comes in.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
In my day with assignments, the big worry was plagiarism. Yes,
if I use chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
You can't detect it.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
This is blowing my mind.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah. Yeah, So it seems to be at this point
impervious to plagiarism. Software like turn it In, which is
what most high schools and certainly universities are using. They
have this software that's called turn it in, and everything
has to go through turn it In so that we
can identify the likelihood that somebody's lifted content from somebody else.
It's really amazing. I think that I'm going to be
(11:39):
using chat GPT a lot, not to write my content,
but to help me to source information. So I might say,
let's say I'm going to do something about helping kids share,
I might type into chat GPT how old are kids
when they learn to share. I'm doing it literally as
we speak and as I've just pressed enter, And it
(12:02):
says children begin to develop the ability to share and
take terms with others around the age of two to
three years old. However, the concept of sharing can take
some time for young children to fully grasp, and it
may not come naturally to all children. It's still typing
while I'm reading. At around two years old, children typically
begin to understand the idea of ownership and become possessive
of their toys and other belongings. By the age of
(12:22):
four or five, most children have a better understanding of sharing,
and I'm more willing to share their things with others.
And that's what it's given me right there now. Because
I've got a PhD in psychology, I happen to know
a whole lot of stuff developmentally around that I can
now start to talk about the way that parents can
help kids learn to share, the idea of what theory
of mind or perspective taking and empathy, what those things
(12:43):
are and how they play into a child's capacity to share,
and why that's why it's four or five. In fact,
it's often even six or seven. Before they really get
a handle on it, because they have to develop those capacities.
So chat GPT can provide us with some basic facts,
but it can't flesh it out or the quality of
the question that we ask it is what's necessary to
(13:04):
really flesh it out and turn it into something awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I keep seeing the downside though.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And the downside is learning well learning.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And we all have been witnessed to people who who
profess to be experts in their field and share information
that may or may not be helpful. And without the
expert I people can be fooled by chat GPT's limited
(13:36):
understanding of things.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, this to me, it's a really exciting opportunity. It's
an opportunity for people to develop expertise rather than cheat.
I mean, I could get chat gpt to write my
next book, but why would I because quite honestly, I
want the learning. I'm going to write my next book.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
But you're not like everyone. No, But I think there's
only one.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Just that people the same the.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Other person who rides up the hill three times because
you like the pain.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But everybody has their thing that they want to master.
Everyone has their thing that they want to learn and
get better.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
At yes, but most unique students don't want to do
their assignments.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I think that's more to do with the environment, that's
more to do with the teaching model than it is laziness.
I really believe that. And here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
If you don't do the work.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You're going to get found out once you're in the job,
in the hot seat, really really fast. I actually think
what chat GPT has the potential to do is revolutionize education.
I believe that in the next ten years, school classrooms
almost won't exist. School as we've known it for the
last one hundred, one hundred and fifty years is going
to be turned on its head. I think in the
next ten to fifteen years and the school that our
(14:49):
grandchildren go to will not look a thing like school
as we've always known it.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Well, when I was at school, we used typewriters.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Did you really Yes, that makes us sound so old. Yes,
you're unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I didn't go to school with laptops. It wasn't until
my sister, who's three years younger than me, went to
school that she got a laptop. So I still type
with one finger.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So as you're talking about typing with one finger, I've
just typed into chat GPT. One last question to wrap
up our podcast, I asked chat GPT, what are the
pros and cons.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
For typing with one finger though of chat GPT?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So here are the pros. This is what it's giving
me as we speak. It's versatile. It's capable of handling
a wide range of tasks, from answering questions to generating
text in various styles and formats. It's available twenty four
to seven. It's continuously learning because it is an AI.
It's a machine learning algorithm that keeps on bringing in
more and more information. The quality of information in impacts
the quality of the information out.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So unlike Google, which if I was to use the
information that I take off Google would be plagiarism because
it's written information, not just that.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
But Google is very much biased. The algorithm itself that
drives Google is biased. It's biased based on where you live,
biased on what you've looked up previously, biased towards I mean,
there's a whole of stuff going on with Twitter right
now in terms of what the previous owners of Twitter,
they used to just ban certain content because it didn't
fit with their political views. Now you may or may
(16:24):
not agree with the political views that were banned or
that were allowed, but it's a really flawed system. Whereas
chat GPT is objective. It's an objective system that provides
unbiased responses without being influenced by emotions or personal beliefs. Now,
the cons chat GPT, by its own admission, because I've
asked for the top pros and cons says limited knowledge.
(16:45):
And this is what we've talked about already. Although chat
GPT can learn and improve of time, it's still limited
by the knowledge that it's been trained on and may
not be able to answer all questions or understand all contexts.
Hence the vital importance of true expertise humans who know
how to see, emphasize, and integrate and critically evaluate knowledge.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
That's out there.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Number two, like of emotional intelligence, chat GPT can't comprehend
the emotional or social context of a conversation, which means
it may not provide empathetic or nuanced responses to emotionally
charged or complex situations. Number three dependence on quality of data.
We just talked about that a second ago. Number four
inability to reason, and number five limited personalization. But ultimately
(17:25):
I think that it's going to change everything, and I
think it's going to change things for the better. I
don't see any benefit to being afraid of this thing.
It's here and it's only going to improve, as will
others as they launch, And I think we need to
learn how to harness this to help our kids' minds
to develop, help them to harness the thrill of learning,
(17:45):
and to become competent masters in areas that matter to them.
That to me is the advantage of chat GPT more
than anything, and chat GPT didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Tell me that, Well, you might be able to teach
an old dog nutrips. Along with the Jansen's and the
chat I will be living in future what's so awesome?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
The Happy Family's podcast is produced by Justin Ruland from
Bridge Media.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Craig Bruce is our executive producer.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We really hope this has been a helpful conversation a
quick reminder once again, free webinar this Thursday night how
to be a Resilient parent. Can't wait to see you
there all the details or at happy families dot com
dot au or on our Facebook page Doctor Justin Colson's
Happy Families
It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
time poor parent who just wants answers.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Now, the content that chat GPT spits out is only
as good as the information that it has access to,
and therefore it means that education really has to come
back to absolute fundamentals, but helping them to understand how
to think critically.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And now here's the stars of our show, My mum
and dad.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello. This is doctor Justin Coulson, the founder of happy
Families dot com. Do you and the author of a
whole bunch of books about making your family happier? Oh,
and the hosts a co host and parenting expert on
Channel nine's Parental Guidance. I'm here with Kylie. Hi, Kylie,
And you're not going to say hello to me? I'm
here with Kylie. Hi, Kylie.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Why you don't want to say hello to me?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I don't want to say hello because we've already said
hello to each other today? Is that the issue?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You don't want to perform the hello? Hello?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Love it? That's so great. We are the parents have
six children who will roll their eyes when they listen
to this on the way to school in the car.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And today I'll still listen.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
They will see that's right, and they will still be
rolling their eyes because we're talking about them rolling their eyes.
So many things to talk about in today's podcast. First
thing that I wanted to do, Kylie, We're going to
talk today about chat GPT.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That like General Practitioner, no.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
No, no, no, I love you said that chat GPT is
an AI computer program. Chat GPT is. Well, we'll talk
more about it soon, but I think it's the future.
I think it's the future of education, it's the future
of life on this planet. Maybe. Oh and chat GPT
is a big deal and I want to share with
you exactly how cool it is in just a couple
of minutes. But before we talk about chat GPT, two
(01:46):
other quick announcements. The first is that this Thursday night,
we've got a freewebinar Happy families dot com dot a
U or our Facebook page doctor Justin Collson's Happy Families
Free webinar.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, in today's climate, to have anything free is pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Free webinar free, it's free, and it's all about being
a resilient parent. So today's climate means lots of stress,
financial challenges, mental health issues and more. And I'm going
to be running a free webinar about twenty five minutes
worth of content to help you as a parent to
be more resilient. So that's this Thursday night. Get all
(02:22):
the info on our Facebook page, on our Instagram or
at happy Families dot com dot a you. Second thing
that I wanted to mention just quickly, Kylie. It was
a couple of weeks ago, and I've kind of the
email has been in my inbox and every time we
sit down to put together a podcast episode, I forget
to mention it. And I came through on February fourteen,
so it's like three weeks ago. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Don't look at me like that.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
There's been a lot going on. I've just finished another book.
For goodness sakes, you're a bat of Valentine's for me.
It actually does have to do with Valentine's. Do you
remember about a year ago I told you that I
had accidentally signed up to write four books in two years.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Just finished the third one, just finished the third one.
Why I forgot to mention this beautiful, beautiful email from
Kristin Kelly, who simply said, Hey, guys, I just wanted
to say thanks for the community you provide for us
families that are waiting through parenting one day at a time,
she said, Today, being Valentine's Day, one of my daughters
in year twelve, who has recently broken up with her boyfriend,
(03:18):
was heading off to school to discover her ex boyfriend
was asking her friend to the formal ouch and jeez,
I felt it for her. Why is it so painful
for us? I know where her parents, but I feel
like she took her better than I did. I jumped
onto happy families looking to feel consoled or take some
sort of control. As much as I know we need
to stand back. Kylie's Valentine's breakfast popped up and we're
(03:41):
now having a Valentine's afternoon tea. Another our daughters rushed
off to the office to fill an anonymous Valentine's Day
card to be delivered at once to our older daughter.
I bless their hearts from Kristin and fam and so
I just wanted to share that because what we're sharing
on this podcast and what we share on our Facebook
page makes difference. People feel better, people change their lives
as a result of it. We've had a couple of
reviews come through just lately on now on Apple Podcasts.
(04:04):
Thank you so much to Jod's nine ninety five who
said listen to this makes me feel so much better
as a parent. Great listening. Five stars and because.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
We tell her all our misdemeanors.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And children's speech gave us five stars as well. Love it,
really enjoy listening to this podcast, helpful tips and topics
that are highly relatable. Thank you. And there's a whole
lot of others that have come through as well. There's
been like nearly six hundred reviews that have come through
on Apple Podcasts, so that's the housekeeping out of the way,
and also a big thanks to Kristen and a reminder
about the free webinar.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Now, well, I'm interested to know what this chat GPT is.
If it's not a general practitioner, you get to chat
to him on technology.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
So chat GPT is basically an AI. It's an AI
program artificial intelligence program where you can jump on to
the program itself chat GPT and you literally just type
in a question and it answers the question for you.
So you can tell it's to give you a toothat
so it's going to just like this is the ultimate
(05:00):
sheet it's the Ultimately, this feels like.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
The Jensen's, like we're living in the future, the Jensens.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
You said, the Jensens. I'm sure the Gensens appreciate feeling futuristic,
but it was the Jenson's.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Jenson.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah. So you literally, let's say that your English teacher
or your health teacher gives you an assignment that says
two thousand words on such and such a topic. You
type in a chat GPT, and it provides you with
a two thousand word essay, formatted appropriately, referenced appropriately. It's
all there. You literally don't have to do the work,
(05:40):
just type into chat GPT anyway it goes.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Okay, Okay, you're saying that this is the best thing
since sliced bread.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I didn't say the best things since sliced bread. But
it's phenomenal. I think it's it's extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Well, if our kids are using this to do their
assessment work, then what are they learning.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, this is where it gets really important. So there's
a whole lot of risks associated with chat GPT, but
there's also a whole lot of benefits. So just before
I answer that question, I jumped into chat GPT right
before you sat down, and I decided that I was
going to ask it to We're always hearing about school refusal.
School refusal is a really big deal. So I just
(06:17):
typed into chat GPT, what are the three best recommendations
for dealing with a child who refuses to attend school
due to anxiety and a troubled home life? And then
I thought I would make it a bit trickier for
chat GPT, so I said, provide the answer in three
hundred words. And then I thought I would add one
more element using poetry, So I asked it to write
(06:37):
me a poem about school refusal and three recommendations for
making it better.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So I'm just letting you know that with this new knowledge,
I expect a poem right you want. Chatch three Valentine's State.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Let me read to you what it said.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It literally spat this out within about fifteen seis of
me pressing go. It literally just line by line a
type that it provided the content for me that fast.
It says this in times of trouble, when things seem
bleak and child's anxiety makes them afraid to speak, when
school becomes a place they can't better go, and the
troubles at home start to overflow. It's important to take
(07:18):
a step back and breathe and focus on the child's needs,
not just what they need to achieve. Here are three
recommendations to help them through and hopefully to a brighter future.
Guide them to. Firstly, make sure to listen and show
that you care. Let the child know that their feelings
are valid and you'll always be there. Create a safe
space where they can express what's on their mind, and
don't be afraid to ask for help if solutions you
(07:39):
cannot find. Secondly, seek our professional support and guidance. Whether
that be therapy or counseling. They can provide much needed guidance.
That's a really bad part of the poem right there.
There are many resources available, so don't hesitate to ask,
and remember there's no shame in admitting you need to
take that task. Thirdly, work with the school to create
a supportive environment, one where the child feels safe and
(07:59):
free from judge and harassment, a place where they can
learn and grow at their own pace, and where the
teachers work together to help the child find their place
in conclusion. When a child's anxiety and troubled home life
take hold, it's important to remember that there are ways
to break the mold. Listen to the child, seek professional support,
and work with the school, and with these recommendations, hopefully
they can once again find their coll what's your response
(08:22):
to that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Absolute cheating?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Is your mind blown? Though?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes, my mind is blowing mind? But this is my point?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What is your point?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
If kids have got access to this, then what are
they learning? They're literally going to put in the question
for their thesis. They would confind your thesis.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, isn't it fascinating what happens here? So this is
why I don't think we need to be afraid. There's
a handful of things in there that clearly do not
make it an A plus. Some of the poetry is
not quite right, and even the advice is given, it's
actually pretty good advice. But there are ways that we
could tweak that and make it fun more nuancedays.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
But plenty of people won't bother and nor.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Will they write a poem to get the message across.
But more than that, the content that chat GPT spits
out is only as good as the information that it
has access to. The bigger the database, and the better
the quality of information, the better What chat GPT will
give you, and therefore it means that education really has
(09:26):
to come back to absolute fundamentals. Make sure that kids
can obviously read and write, but helping them to understand
how to think critically, how to evaluate information, how to
be creative, and how to synthesize and bring together disparate
bits of information and say, well, how does this work
with that? Okay, chat GPT has given me X, Y
(09:48):
and Z, but I've still got LMNO, and P that
don't fit there. How do we bring this together? What
I actually think that chat GPT does is it gives
us a access to good information and then we get
to develop our thinking, our critical skills around that to
see the things that only humans can really do.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So you're suggesting that it kind of just gives you
a step up. It starts the process for you. You
know how when you were in high school and you
looked at an assignment and you kept putting it off
because you just couldn't take that first step. Are you
saying that that's what this is?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I think so yeah. But it puts a lot more
onto teachers and students because I think what we're really
going to be facing is a world where we need
to know how to fact check well written arguments. That's
going to become more and more important. So clear communication matters,
but critical thinking the ability to look at say something
and say, you know that works, that's really good, except
(10:50):
that's not consistent with this thing over here or that
thing over there. That to me is where the real
wow thing is and that's where the distinctly human comes in.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
In my day with assignments, the big worry was plagiarism. Yes,
if I use chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
You can't detect it.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
This is blowing my mind.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah. Yeah, So it seems to be at this point
impervious to plagiarism. Software like turn it In, which is
what most high schools and certainly universities are using. They
have this software that's called turn it in, and everything
has to go through turn it In so that we
can identify the likelihood that somebody's lifted content from somebody else.
It's really amazing. I think that I'm going to be
(11:39):
using chat GPT a lot, not to write my content,
but to help me to source information. So I might say,
let's say I'm going to do something about helping kids share,
I might type into chat GPT how old are kids
when they learn to share. I'm doing it literally as
we speak and as I've just pressed enter, And it
(12:02):
says children begin to develop the ability to share and
take terms with others around the age of two to
three years old. However, the concept of sharing can take
some time for young children to fully grasp, and it
may not come naturally to all children. It's still typing
while I'm reading. At around two years old, children typically
begin to understand the idea of ownership and become possessive
of their toys and other belongings. By the age of
(12:22):
four or five, most children have a better understanding of sharing,
and I'm more willing to share their things with others.
And that's what it's given me right there now. Because
I've got a PhD in psychology, I happen to know
a whole lot of stuff developmentally around that I can
now start to talk about the way that parents can
help kids learn to share, the idea of what theory
of mind or perspective taking and empathy, what those things
(12:43):
are and how they play into a child's capacity to share,
and why that's why it's four or five. In fact,
it's often even six or seven. Before they really get
a handle on it, because they have to develop those capacities.
So chat GPT can provide us with some basic facts,
but it can't flesh it out or the quality of
the question that we ask it is what's necessary to
(13:04):
really flesh it out and turn it into something awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I keep seeing the downside though.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And the downside is learning well learning.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
And we all have been witnessed to people who who
profess to be experts in their field and share information
that may or may not be helpful. And without the
expert I people can be fooled by chat GPT's limited
(13:36):
understanding of things.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, this to me, it's a really exciting opportunity. It's
an opportunity for people to develop expertise rather than cheat.
I mean, I could get chat gpt to write my
next book, but why would I because quite honestly, I
want the learning. I'm going to write my next book.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
But you're not like everyone. No, But I think there's
only one.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Just that people the same the.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Other person who rides up the hill three times because
you like the pain.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But everybody has their thing that they want to master.
Everyone has their thing that they want to learn and
get better.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
At yes, but most unique students don't want to do
their assignments.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I think that's more to do with the environment, that's
more to do with the teaching model than it is laziness.
I really believe that. And here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
If you don't do the work.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You're going to get found out once you're in the job,
in the hot seat, really really fast. I actually think
what chat GPT has the potential to do is revolutionize education.
I believe that in the next ten years, school classrooms
almost won't exist. School as we've known it for the
last one hundred, one hundred and fifty years is going
to be turned on its head. I think in the
next ten to fifteen years and the school that our
(14:49):
grandchildren go to will not look a thing like school
as we've always known it.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Well, when I was at school, we used typewriters.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Did you really Yes, that makes us sound so old. Yes,
you're unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I didn't go to school with laptops. It wasn't until
my sister, who's three years younger than me, went to
school that she got a laptop. So I still type
with one finger.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So as you're talking about typing with one finger, I've
just typed into chat GPT. One last question to wrap
up our podcast, I asked chat GPT, what are the
pros and cons.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
For typing with one finger though of chat GPT?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So here are the pros. This is what it's giving
me as we speak. It's versatile. It's capable of handling
a wide range of tasks, from answering questions to generating
text in various styles and formats. It's available twenty four
to seven. It's continuously learning because it is an AI.
It's a machine learning algorithm that keeps on bringing in
more and more information. The quality of information in impacts
the quality of the information out.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So unlike Google, which if I was to use the
information that I take off Google would be plagiarism because
it's written information, not just that.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
But Google is very much biased. The algorithm itself that
drives Google is biased. It's biased based on where you live,
biased on what you've looked up previously, biased towards I mean,
there's a whole of stuff going on with Twitter right
now in terms of what the previous owners of Twitter,
they used to just ban certain content because it didn't
fit with their political views. Now you may or may
(16:24):
not agree with the political views that were banned or
that were allowed, but it's a really flawed system. Whereas
chat GPT is objective. It's an objective system that provides
unbiased responses without being influenced by emotions or personal beliefs. Now,
the cons chat GPT, by its own admission, because I've
asked for the top pros and cons says limited knowledge.
(16:45):
And this is what we've talked about already. Although chat
GPT can learn and improve of time, it's still limited
by the knowledge that it's been trained on and may
not be able to answer all questions or understand all contexts.
Hence the vital importance of true expertise humans who know
how to see, emphasize, and integrate and critically evaluate knowledge.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
That's out there.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Number two, like of emotional intelligence, chat GPT can't comprehend
the emotional or social context of a conversation, which means
it may not provide empathetic or nuanced responses to emotionally
charged or complex situations. Number three dependence on quality of data.
We just talked about that a second ago. Number four
inability to reason, and number five limited personalization. But ultimately
(17:25):
I think that it's going to change everything, and I
think it's going to change things for the better. I
don't see any benefit to being afraid of this thing.
It's here and it's only going to improve, as will
others as they launch, And I think we need to
learn how to harness this to help our kids' minds
to develop, help them to harness the thrill of learning,
(17:45):
and to become competent masters in areas that matter to them.
That to me is the advantage of chat GPT more
than anything, and chat GPT didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Tell me that, Well, you might be able to teach
an old dog nutrips. Along with the Jansen's and the
chat I will be living in future what's so awesome?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
The Happy Family's podcast is produced by Justin Ruland from
Bridge Media.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Craig Bruce is our executive producer.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We really hope this has been a helpful conversation a
quick reminder once again, free webinar this Thursday night how
to be a Resilient parent. Can't wait to see you
there all the details or at happy families dot com
dot au or on our Facebook page Doctor Justin Colson's
Happy Families
Popular Podcasts
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Therapy Gecko
An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.