November 6, 2023 • 13 mins
In this episode Justin speaks to Paul Dillon from Drug and Alcohol Research Training Australia about getting ready for the schoolies season.
Find out more about Paul Dillon at the Drug and Alcohol Research Training Australia website.
Topics discussed in this episode:
- The cons of letting your kids celebrate schoolies abroad
- How safe are organised schoolies events?
- Why schoolies is the last opportunity for parents to talk safety with their kids before they are legally adults
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's the Happy Families podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's the podcast for the time Paul parent who just
wants answers.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Now today, somebody that I'm just alighted to talk with
again on the podcast. He's been on The Happy Family
Podcast a couple of times now. Paul Dylan. He is
an author, an education consultant. He is also the director
of Data, Drug and Alcohol Research and Training Australia. Paul
has been speaking to I don't know, something like seven
(00:30):
hundred bajillion kids and parents and educators on an every day,
every year basis. I don't know any speaker in Australia
who has booked out as much as Paul Dylan. And
he's kindly taken a little bit of time to have
a chat with us today because school is just around
the corner. Paul, you've got a bit of a frog
in your throat and you're not one hundred percent, so
(00:50):
really appreciate that you've taken some time to have a
chat about something that a lot of parents of school
leaders are starting to get little bit worried about right now.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Not a problem, justin thank you very much for inviting
me to be a part of it again. And yeah,
unfortunately throat in fiction. So apologies to anyone listening. It
does sound a little bit like mixed between Rod Stewart
and Brenda Acaro. At the moment, it's not a particularly
pleasant sound.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well, we talked about changing the time, but you insisted
that we should do it today and I'm grateful. So
at the moment a year twelve wrapping up. We're in
the early part of November. We've got kids that are
heading off to schoolies in the next couple of weeks.
It's only just around the corner now, Gold Coast, Victor
Harbor and South Australia. In WA it's called the Lever's
Party or the Leaver's Time. I've got a daughter who's
(01:35):
doing Year twelve right now. She's thinking about going to
Barley with a couple of friends. I have reservations about that, Paul,
and so I just want to have a chat with
you about the general school is vibe. You've been to
schools a few times as an older observer and have
participated in some of the organizational aspects of it. What
would you think Because the media hypes it up right,
the media says schoolies is a couple of weeks of
Year twelve school leavers, debauchery and drunkenness, and anything that
(02:00):
you can imagine going wrong will go wrong. What's your
experience and would you agree with that general media hope.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, I've been to quite a few schoolings events over
the years.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Recently.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I think I went to the Gold Coast one in
twenty nineteen, just before COVID, and I went to the
Victor Harvill when I think in maybe twenty sixteen. The
other one is a little bit long ago. But look,
in my experience, I find I've found them to be
incredibly well organized. Young people are out to absolutely have
a good time. But did I see incredibly poor drunken
(02:33):
behavior and kids lying around in gutters and fights and
things like that. Absolutely not. No, that doesn't mean it
doesn't happen. Of course, those kind of stories, and we
have had some tragedies occur over it over the years
at schools events. But for the most part, I think
these are very well organized. And if young people go
(02:55):
to those well organized events, those ones that like the
Gold Coast one, for example, Victor Harbor in Wa It's bustleton,
they actually have a really good time. And I think parents,
for the most part, can be fairly confident that their
kids are as safe as possible.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I think that this distinction is probably pretty important for
most parents. I know that Barley's becoming increasingly popular. Before
we chatted on the podcast just now, you were mentioning
Fiji is really becoming quite popular for Sydney siders and
maybe those in Melbourne as well. And Byron Bay has
obviously started to really escalate in the last few years
with Byron Bays and just the hype around the place.
(03:39):
They're not all organized and there's a lot of stuff
that happens even on the Gold Coast, Victor Harbor, Buston, wherever,
where there are kids that are doing stuff not at
the organized activities. And your real specialty is alcohol and
are the drugs The risks that kids are facing, I
presume are essentially going to be drug related. Is that reasonable?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Certainly alcohol related, I mean that's really what it is.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Other drugs certainly come into it for some young people,
but the vast majority, it is alcohol that is the
most significant issue, because I mean many of them will
be eighteen and certainly they can access alcohol if they
don't access if they can't access it themselves. Quite often
the parents are providing it to them, So alcohol is
(04:21):
the absolutely number one Look the last couple of school
with events I went to, certainly it was obvious that
there was more illisted drug use than I.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Had seen in the previous years.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Certainly not completely kind of crazy, and you know, you
weren't seeing open drug markets and in the middle of
the street or anything like that. I think what we
have to remember is that young people are their adolescents.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Their brains are wide in a different way.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
They don't always make the best decisions, and what's happening
is they're all kind of a mass in this one place,
and yeah, things can go wrong and bad decisions can
be made. But I think it all really comes down
to the foundations that parents have set years and years
before when it comes to these kind of situations. If
(05:07):
they have good, strong family values they have, a young
person is not going to all of a sudden make
a decision to take them the legal drug if it's
just not in them to do that.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
But certainly those young people.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Who want to do that are going to be able
to access them in these environments.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think the real concern.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
About school is that has occurred over the recent times
is this move to for some reason to transport your
child to another country. I mean, that is just beyond me.
I mean, why would you think that it would be
a good idea for school leavans to go to a
place like Bali. Fiji is exactly the same. These are
(05:48):
once again very much organized events. They go into a
resort and it's just massive. Young people are kept in
a resort in Fiji and then Ballei they kind of
go wild around. Yeah, this whole notion of parents thinking
that somehow that is safer than the Gold Coast, and
that is certainly one of the reasons why parents started
sending their kids to Fiji. They didn't want to send
(06:10):
them to the Gold Coast. They perceived that as far.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
More dangerous, and it was kind of like have you
been there?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
You know, all they're seeing is the media and not
realizing that actually it is a very well controlled event. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So I've got my third daughter finishing year twelve just now,
and she's still up in the air about whether or
not to go with a few of her friends. They're
going to Bali. The prices are astronomical now, and I
don't think she's going to be there. But we're having
these ongoing conversations, we'd rather stay here.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
To be quite honest, if you're asking to go to Bali,
you're on a very specific type of holiday. You want
to be away from mum and dad as far as
humanly possible, and it's a drinking holiday Ballei. To be honest,
I mean, if you look at most young people who
are going, you speak to the red Frogs who go
there for Bali, they say it's a very different culture
(07:00):
than the ones who would go to say, for example,
the Gold Coastal Barron.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
This is doctor Justin COURSONIM here with Paul Dylan. He's
a professional speaker, the head of data, and somebody who
knows more about what our kids are getting up to
when it comes to alcohol and other drugs than pretty
much anybody in the nation, if not the planet. Paul kids,
whether it's fifty percent or seventy percent or thirty percent,
there's going to be a whole lot of them at
schools this year, probably the biggest school is that we've
(07:28):
had in a few years, as a result of the
bounce back from the COVID restrictions. If parents have got
kids that are thinking of heading away, whether the organized
activities or to their own activities somewhere smaller with a
small group of friends. What do you think the top
three conversations are that we need to be having with them.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I always say the most important if you're worried about
if you're worried about them going. My number one question
I always say to parents you should ask your child
is tell me why I shouldn't be worried. It's a
really really, really really good question to ask young people
because it doesn't put them on the spot about what
are you going to do? Or I'm worried about you
doing this or worried about that. It's basically saying to them, Okay,
(08:06):
I want you to really think about it and give
me the reasons why I shouldn't be worried. And hopefully
what that does is it will it will encourage them
to kind of say, well, my friends have been put
putting this and this and this into place, we have
thought through this. You know, that kind of question is
really really powerful. And when I've tested that with kids
(08:29):
and said well what would you answer?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
How would you answer that? With your parents? They come
up with great answers.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's like, you know, oh, we will always have a
designated person you know who does not drink. We will
make sure that you know, we have a set amount
of alcohol and we do not drink anymore after that.
We don't go and purchase more afterwards. Simple things like
that that kids can come up with, and it will
lease parents' minds as well, because you know, these kids
are growing up and to be quite honest, school is
(08:55):
the last opportunity.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Parents will ever have to us. So it's kind of questions.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because they're now, you know, they're now actually legally adults,
and to turn around and try to put restrictions on
young people when they're when when are older than eighteen.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Or over is really really hard.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Now, of course, what happens in your home is actually
you know, you have your rules about what happens at
home and if you want them to come home and
not come home drunk and blah blah blah blah blah. Absolutely,
to my mind, you abstlually have the right. They could
be thirty five years old. It's your rules and your family.
I mean, my father has that and I'm sixty two.
(09:33):
But I think when it comes to school, it's that
perfect opportunity to have that very last conversation about a
whole range of issues and really putting it onto their mouth.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
How are you going to look after yourself? Show tell
me why I shouldn't be one.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I'm just thinking about one or two other conversation pieces
that we might have with our kids. Something that strikes
me is, and I've had this with two of my
kids already, I'm about to have it with a third one,
and that is, if anything happens, just call me. Like
you could literally be in the worst situation ever, Just
call me. Don't leave it to somebody else to ring,
don't leave it to your friends to get you out
(10:12):
of a situation. Just call me and I'll work out
what I can do to help you.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I always said to young people.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Also, I think what's very important is that the whole
idea of school this is quite frightening for an awful
lot of parents. So I say to like, I'm going
to w a and do a series of levers talks
that I just talk about leavers with some of the
year twelves that I've met over the years. And you know,
one of my big things I say to that your
parents are scared, So you know what, just be a
(10:38):
really great kid for three or four days that you're
away or have a long you're away for, just make
sure you call them at least once a day, not
a text, just a quick call say look, everything's fine,
I'm alive, and that's all you need because that kind
of stuff really cementsa createsor I think if parents put
a rule in about saying I need you to call
(10:59):
me every day, kind of thumb work. That kind of
stuff is, as you said, it's much more about pushing
down on kids. But I think to say to kids,
if you've got some of your your year twelve friends around,
you know, say to them, just make sure you call
you my more dad at least once a day, just
so that they know you're fine. It's a scary time.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Paul.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
A great conversation, and I think a lot of parents
of your twelve kids will we appreciative of the things
that we've discussed today, the things that you've shared. Are
there any last words before we wrap this up?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, I think that the key is, and I've already
said it is I think parents need to remember that
school has offered them the very last opportunity, realistically to
have all of these conversations about safety. Because what school
is does is it kind of magnifies all of those
safety issues that they're going to be facing for the
next I mean, any parent who thinks that when they've
left school and they've got through, oh they've got to
(11:51):
the end of it, it hasn't even started. I mean,
eighteen to twenty five. It's a really scary kind of time.
And this is going to be your asked opportunity as
a parent to kind of open this conversation and hopefully
have that discussion about safety in a way that is
not emotionally charged, but to kind of say, look, I
(12:12):
love you, I care about you, and we just want
you to be safe, and bad things can happen, but
we put things into place, we trust each other. You know, well,
you can have a great time, memorable time that will
stay with you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Paul Dylan, the founder of Drug and Alcohol Research and Training,
Australia data professional, speaker, former school teacher, author and a
guy who knows his stuff. What a great and important conversation.
Thank you so much, Paul, Thank you. Justin The Happy
Families podcast is produced by Justin Rowland from Bridge Media
and Craig Bruce is our executive producer. For more info
(12:45):
about the things we've talked about today. Check out Paul's website.
You can just google Paul. We'll link to him in
the show notes, and you'll also be able to find
out where he's giving talks for school students, parents, teachers,
and everyone else right around the nation. We'll link to
all of that, and if you'd like more information about
making you your family happier, visitors at happy families dot
com dot au
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Mm hmm
It's the Happy Families podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's the podcast for the time Paul parent who just
wants answers.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Now today, somebody that I'm just alighted to talk with
again on the podcast. He's been on The Happy Family
Podcast a couple of times now. Paul Dylan. He is
an author, an education consultant. He is also the director
of Data, Drug and Alcohol Research and Training Australia. Paul
has been speaking to I don't know, something like seven
(00:30):
hundred bajillion kids and parents and educators on an every day,
every year basis. I don't know any speaker in Australia
who has booked out as much as Paul Dylan. And
he's kindly taken a little bit of time to have
a chat with us today because school is just around
the corner. Paul, you've got a bit of a frog
in your throat and you're not one hundred percent, so
(00:50):
really appreciate that you've taken some time to have a
chat about something that a lot of parents of school
leaders are starting to get little bit worried about right now.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Not a problem, justin thank you very much for inviting
me to be a part of it again. And yeah,
unfortunately throat in fiction. So apologies to anyone listening. It
does sound a little bit like mixed between Rod Stewart
and Brenda Acaro. At the moment, it's not a particularly
pleasant sound.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well, we talked about changing the time, but you insisted
that we should do it today and I'm grateful. So
at the moment a year twelve wrapping up. We're in
the early part of November. We've got kids that are
heading off to schoolies in the next couple of weeks.
It's only just around the corner now, Gold Coast, Victor
Harbor and South Australia. In WA it's called the Lever's
Party or the Leaver's Time. I've got a daughter who's
(01:35):
doing Year twelve right now. She's thinking about going to
Barley with a couple of friends. I have reservations about that, Paul,
and so I just want to have a chat with
you about the general school is vibe. You've been to
schools a few times as an older observer and have
participated in some of the organizational aspects of it. What
would you think Because the media hypes it up right,
the media says schoolies is a couple of weeks of
Year twelve school leavers, debauchery and drunkenness, and anything that
(02:00):
you can imagine going wrong will go wrong. What's your
experience and would you agree with that general media hope.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, I've been to quite a few schoolings events over
the years.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Recently.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I think I went to the Gold Coast one in
twenty nineteen, just before COVID, and I went to the
Victor Harvill when I think in maybe twenty sixteen. The
other one is a little bit long ago. But look,
in my experience, I find I've found them to be
incredibly well organized. Young people are out to absolutely have
a good time. But did I see incredibly poor drunken
(02:33):
behavior and kids lying around in gutters and fights and
things like that. Absolutely not. No, that doesn't mean it
doesn't happen. Of course, those kind of stories, and we
have had some tragedies occur over it over the years
at schools events. But for the most part, I think
these are very well organized. And if young people go
(02:55):
to those well organized events, those ones that like the
Gold Coast one, for example, Victor Harbor in Wa It's bustleton,
they actually have a really good time. And I think parents,
for the most part, can be fairly confident that their
kids are as safe as possible.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I think that this distinction is probably pretty important for
most parents. I know that Barley's becoming increasingly popular. Before
we chatted on the podcast just now, you were mentioning
Fiji is really becoming quite popular for Sydney siders and
maybe those in Melbourne as well. And Byron Bay has
obviously started to really escalate in the last few years
with Byron Bays and just the hype around the place.
(03:39):
They're not all organized and there's a lot of stuff
that happens even on the Gold Coast, Victor Harbor, Buston, wherever,
where there are kids that are doing stuff not at
the organized activities. And your real specialty is alcohol and
are the drugs The risks that kids are facing, I
presume are essentially going to be drug related. Is that reasonable?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Certainly alcohol related, I mean that's really what it is.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Other drugs certainly come into it for some young people,
but the vast majority, it is alcohol that is the
most significant issue, because I mean many of them will
be eighteen and certainly they can access alcohol if they
don't access if they can't access it themselves. Quite often
the parents are providing it to them, So alcohol is
(04:21):
the absolutely number one Look the last couple of school
with events I went to, certainly it was obvious that
there was more illisted drug use than I.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Had seen in the previous years.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Certainly not completely kind of crazy, and you know, you
weren't seeing open drug markets and in the middle of
the street or anything like that. I think what we
have to remember is that young people are their adolescents.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Their brains are wide in a different way.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
They don't always make the best decisions, and what's happening
is they're all kind of a mass in this one place,
and yeah, things can go wrong and bad decisions can
be made. But I think it all really comes down
to the foundations that parents have set years and years
before when it comes to these kind of situations. If
(05:07):
they have good, strong family values they have, a young
person is not going to all of a sudden make
a decision to take them the legal drug if it's
just not in them to do that.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
But certainly those young people.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Who want to do that are going to be able
to access them in these environments.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think the real concern.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
About school is that has occurred over the recent times
is this move to for some reason to transport your
child to another country. I mean, that is just beyond me.
I mean, why would you think that it would be
a good idea for school leavans to go to a
place like Bali. Fiji is exactly the same. These are
(05:48):
once again very much organized events. They go into a
resort and it's just massive. Young people are kept in
a resort in Fiji and then Ballei they kind of
go wild around. Yeah, this whole notion of parents thinking
that somehow that is safer than the Gold Coast, and
that is certainly one of the reasons why parents started
sending their kids to Fiji. They didn't want to send
(06:10):
them to the Gold Coast. They perceived that as far.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
More dangerous, and it was kind of like have you
been there?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
You know, all they're seeing is the media and not
realizing that actually it is a very well controlled event. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So I've got my third daughter finishing year twelve just now,
and she's still up in the air about whether or
not to go with a few of her friends. They're
going to Bali. The prices are astronomical now, and I
don't think she's going to be there. But we're having
these ongoing conversations, we'd rather stay here.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
To be quite honest, if you're asking to go to Bali,
you're on a very specific type of holiday. You want
to be away from mum and dad as far as
humanly possible, and it's a drinking holiday Ballei. To be honest,
I mean, if you look at most young people who
are going, you speak to the red Frogs who go
there for Bali, they say it's a very different culture
(07:00):
than the ones who would go to say, for example,
the Gold Coastal Barron.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
This is doctor Justin COURSONIM here with Paul Dylan. He's
a professional speaker, the head of data, and somebody who
knows more about what our kids are getting up to
when it comes to alcohol and other drugs than pretty
much anybody in the nation, if not the planet. Paul kids,
whether it's fifty percent or seventy percent or thirty percent,
there's going to be a whole lot of them at
schools this year, probably the biggest school is that we've
(07:28):
had in a few years, as a result of the
bounce back from the COVID restrictions. If parents have got
kids that are thinking of heading away, whether the organized
activities or to their own activities somewhere smaller with a
small group of friends. What do you think the top
three conversations are that we need to be having with them.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I always say the most important if you're worried about
if you're worried about them going. My number one question
I always say to parents you should ask your child
is tell me why I shouldn't be worried. It's a
really really, really really good question to ask young people
because it doesn't put them on the spot about what
are you going to do? Or I'm worried about you
doing this or worried about that. It's basically saying to them, Okay,
(08:06):
I want you to really think about it and give
me the reasons why I shouldn't be worried. And hopefully
what that does is it will it will encourage them
to kind of say, well, my friends have been put
putting this and this and this into place, we have
thought through this. You know, that kind of question is
really really powerful. And when I've tested that with kids
(08:29):
and said well what would you answer?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
How would you answer that? With your parents? They come
up with great answers.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's like, you know, oh, we will always have a
designated person you know who does not drink. We will
make sure that you know, we have a set amount
of alcohol and we do not drink anymore after that.
We don't go and purchase more afterwards. Simple things like
that that kids can come up with, and it will
lease parents' minds as well, because you know, these kids
are growing up and to be quite honest, school is
(08:55):
the last opportunity.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Parents will ever have to us. So it's kind of questions.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because they're now, you know, they're now actually legally adults,
and to turn around and try to put restrictions on
young people when they're when when are older than eighteen.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Or over is really really hard.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Now, of course, what happens in your home is actually
you know, you have your rules about what happens at
home and if you want them to come home and
not come home drunk and blah blah blah blah blah. Absolutely,
to my mind, you abstlually have the right. They could
be thirty five years old. It's your rules and your family.
I mean, my father has that and I'm sixty two.
(09:33):
But I think when it comes to school, it's that
perfect opportunity to have that very last conversation about a
whole range of issues and really putting it onto their mouth.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
How are you going to look after yourself? Show tell
me why I shouldn't be one.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I'm just thinking about one or two other conversation pieces
that we might have with our kids. Something that strikes
me is, and I've had this with two of my
kids already, I'm about to have it with a third one,
and that is, if anything happens, just call me. Like
you could literally be in the worst situation ever, Just
call me. Don't leave it to somebody else to ring,
don't leave it to your friends to get you out
(10:12):
of a situation. Just call me and I'll work out
what I can do to help you.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I always said to young people.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Also, I think what's very important is that the whole
idea of school this is quite frightening for an awful
lot of parents. So I say to like, I'm going
to w a and do a series of levers talks
that I just talk about leavers with some of the
year twelves that I've met over the years. And you know,
one of my big things I say to that your
parents are scared, So you know what, just be a
(10:38):
really great kid for three or four days that you're
away or have a long you're away for, just make
sure you call them at least once a day, not
a text, just a quick call say look, everything's fine,
I'm alive, and that's all you need because that kind
of stuff really cementsa createsor I think if parents put
a rule in about saying I need you to call
(10:59):
me every day, kind of thumb work. That kind of
stuff is, as you said, it's much more about pushing
down on kids. But I think to say to kids,
if you've got some of your your year twelve friends around,
you know, say to them, just make sure you call
you my more dad at least once a day, just
so that they know you're fine. It's a scary time.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Paul.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
A great conversation, and I think a lot of parents
of your twelve kids will we appreciative of the things
that we've discussed today, the things that you've shared. Are
there any last words before we wrap this up?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, I think that the key is, and I've already
said it is I think parents need to remember that
school has offered them the very last opportunity, realistically to
have all of these conversations about safety. Because what school
is does is it kind of magnifies all of those
safety issues that they're going to be facing for the
next I mean, any parent who thinks that when they've
left school and they've got through, oh they've got to
(11:51):
the end of it, it hasn't even started. I mean,
eighteen to twenty five. It's a really scary kind of time.
And this is going to be your asked opportunity as
a parent to kind of open this conversation and hopefully
have that discussion about safety in a way that is
not emotionally charged, but to kind of say, look, I
(12:12):
love you, I care about you, and we just want
you to be safe, and bad things can happen, but
we put things into place, we trust each other. You know, well,
you can have a great time, memorable time that will
stay with you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Paul Dylan, the founder of Drug and Alcohol Research and Training,
Australia data professional, speaker, former school teacher, author and a
guy who knows his stuff. What a great and important conversation.
Thank you so much, Paul, Thank you. Justin The Happy
Families podcast is produced by Justin Rowland from Bridge Media
and Craig Bruce is our executive producer. For more info
(12:45):
about the things we've talked about today. Check out Paul's website.
You can just google Paul. We'll link to him in
the show notes, and you'll also be able to find
out where he's giving talks for school students, parents, teachers,
and everyone else right around the nation. We'll link to
all of that, and if you'd like more information about
making you your family happier, visitors at happy families dot
com dot au
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Mm hmm
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