April 15, 2024 • 14 mins
Following the tragic attack in Bondi, our children need help processing such difficult news. There are things you can do and say to ensure your child feels safe and secure as they come to terms with what has happened.
Also, a mum of three asks "What should we do when our kids don't show us the respect that we would like?"
In this episode:
- Having hard conversations
- Honesty
- Limiting exposure to news
- Age-appropriate information
- Holding boundaries
- Weekly family meetings
- What To Do When Kids Won’t Listen – Happy Families
- Talking to Children About Tragic Events in the News – Happy Families
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
time poor parent who just wants answers.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Now every Tuesday we answer your questions. You can sentence
your questions via podcasts at Happy families dot com dot
you or Betty Yet Jump onto Happy families dot com
dot Au press the easy to use button where you
simply push the button and start talking and we'll do
our best to answer your questions. Today two questions, one
(00:30):
extremely serious and then the other about the everyday challenges
of parenting.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
By now, everyone in Australia knows about the tragedy that
happened over the weekend at Bondi Junction. You've been doing
a lot of media around this. Number one question on
any parent's mind at this time or in time of
tragedy is how do I talk to my kids? What
do I say to help alleviate the anxiety and worry,
(00:58):
grief if it is close to home, and deep sadness
that comes at times like this. What do we say?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So I'm going to go back a step, and what
I want to really emphasize is that your children don't
need to see it. The rolling coverage, even when I've
been on the TV and I've just been watching what's
happening in the studio. It is traumatizing, it is devastating.
It's horrific to watch this playing out. It's one thing
to hear about it. It's another thing entirely to watch it,
(01:25):
and it is frightening. I'm going to say this really clearly,
not just about the kids, but about you. If you
listening to a Happy Families podcast right now, give yourself
a week away from the news because it is horrible.
It's absolutely horrible. Just don't check the news sites, stay away,
give yourself a break. I'm sure that you've felt your
anxiety increasing. I'm sure that it just feels absolutely terrifying.
(01:50):
Take a break, be outside, breathe, touch the grass, put
the phone away, do something other than watch the news,
because it's terrible for you. And it's the same with
the kids. They need to know that the world is
say from predict believe when it's not, and the best
thing that we can do for them is to keep
it away from them as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So I guess the next step is what do we
actually say to our kids if they find out Because
the reality is, especially our kids in high school who
have got their own phones, it's coming through their feeds
seeing it, they're talking about it. How do we actually
help alleviate the challenges that are associated with them being
aware of stuff that has the capacity to create high
(02:27):
levels of anxiety and stress.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, so I'm going to mention a handful of things.
First off, assuming that they have reasonable distance from the tragedy,
they're not personally affected. If your kids are seeing this,
they're probably going to talk about it. So here's our
job as parents. We need to Number one, acknowledge the
awfulness of it, and that's not hard. Just see, this
is terrible. This is just terrible. Number two, ask them
(02:51):
how it's made them feel. Say what you see in
terms of feelings. You seem really worried about this. This
seems like it's really freaked you out. You seem pretty upset.
It seems like you don't want to go out as
a result of what you saw. If it's affecting them
that way, But wherever they're at, just acknowledge what you're seeing.
Next thing, ask them if they have any questions. You've
(03:12):
obviously seen this, you've obviously heard about it. What questions
do you have or what are the kids at school saying,
or what has your conversation in your head been, what
do you want to talk about it in relation to it.
You're not trying to be their therapist. You're just asking
them what questions they have.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So when a child comes to you with a question
that you don't have an answer to, especially at a
time like this, and it's creating significant anxiety, what can
we as parents do? What do we say in that moment?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I just think you answer really briefly, and you answer honestly,
You answer in an age appropriate way. Because they don't
need everything. I talk about the fire hose all the time.
Don't turn on the fire hose. When someone wants a drink.
Just give them a glass of water, let them have
a sip, and if they need to top up and
give it to them because they ask for it. So
they don't need to know and hear everything. And the
reality is you probably don't know a whole lot, and
(04:00):
so don't make up answers. Just say I don't know.
Get comfortable saying I don't know. I think that's perfectly
fine to do. And for me, one of the biggest
things that we can do, one of the centrally important
things that we can do is reassure the kids that
this is unusual. This is staggeringly uncommon. I can think
of two incidents that have been catastrophically tragic in Sydney
(04:25):
let alone in Australia in the last dozen or so years.
There was the Link Cafe siege, and there's what's happened
at Bondi Westfield. There may have been other things that
have happened. I mean, we can go back to nineteen
ninety six and Port Arthur. I guess my point is
there are so few of these kinds of things that
(04:45):
happen in this country. It is a beautifully, wonderfully phenomenally
safe country, and our kids need to know that they've
been to the shops so many times nothing like that
has ever happened to them. This is the only time
that we've heard of it happening. Let's get back out there,
let's get back on the horse. Avoidance reinforces anxiety, and
so I would be really really keen to number one,
(05:06):
help them to avoid the news completely, because then there
won't be anxiety. But if they've seen it, get them
back into life as soon as you can, jump on
the bike, go for a ride, go to the park,
Go to places where you know that you can feel
safe and get back into life.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Our second question comes from Kayleen. We love receiving your questions,
and if you've got one for us.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Go to Happy Families dot com dot you. We've got
a button that you can push and then you talk
about it button and people are starting to use it,
but I want everyone to use that. It's so good.
Push the button, start talking, tell us what's on your mind,
and we will do our best to answer your questions.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Kaylen sent us an email and she said.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Mae, yeah, she didn't use the button.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
She said, my family isn't struggled town in a big way.
I've heard you, and I'm working hard on connecting, getting
curious and all that stuff. But what are we supposed
to do when we are consistently met with I don't
know nothing. I don't want to usually after being ignored
when making polite, respectful requests and then being yelled at
when you're holding the boundary or expectation. We simply can't
(06:12):
let them play, definitely when it's bedtime. We can't let
them never brush their teeth, hit one another, call each
other names, or speak to one another like their dirt
under one another's feet. How do we work with this?
We're exhausted, and every day is about it.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Lately, Kaylen added some contexts well, Kylie, she said that
they've got three kids at home, six, eight, and fourteen,
and there's a lot of neurodivergence in the family. Really
wanting everyone to feel happier and respected and considered. But
you can hear how challenging this is. So I'm hearing
Kayleen's plea, and there are a couple of things that
stand out to me. First off, timing is everything. When
(06:47):
we try to talk to our children and they're emotional,
we tend to get responses like I don't know and nothing,
and I don't want to Our timing matters enormously. Now,
I know that's not the crux of what Kaylin's asking,
but I wanted to highlight that because if the kids
are a bit emotional, if they're really engaged in what
they're doing, we're not going to be able to have
(07:08):
productive and effective conversations with them. We're going to get
reactions that are uncomfortable and difficult and annoying and frustrating
and often inflammatory. High emotions, low intelligence. Sometimes you do
just have to deal with it in the moment. But
what I would encourage, where possible is deal with challenges
at appropriate times, at good times, at times where everybody's
(07:29):
in the mood for having a conversation and is available
to talk, rather than in the moment.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
When I'm reading this, I may have this wrong, but
I kind of feel like there is this tendency to
want to be this gentle, loving parent and not raise
our voices, and we feel like the only way we
can do that when our kids push back is to
acquiesce and let them keep going. But what happens when
(07:59):
in moment we're stuck with a kid who keeps hurting
their sibling and we're trying our best to be respectful
and be kind and help. How do we actually deal
with things in the moment? Because you're saying timing matters
and we can't always have these beautiful, thought provoking conversations
with the kids. Tell me about your feelings, So what
(08:21):
happens in the moment.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
In the moment, I think we need to remember that
sometimes there's just no such thing as perfect. I mean,
every now and again, I'll tell a story where I've
nailed it, or you've nailed or another parent has just
gotten this so right. But most of the time perfect
doesn't exist, and the more we push for perfect, the
more frustrated we will be at ourselves and also at
our children for ruining our otherwise perfect and well planned lives.
(08:46):
We sometimes just have to do what we have to
do to get kids out of trouble or to There
are times where I had to pick up a child
and literally put them over my shoulder and carry them
out of the shops, or carry them out of the park,
or carry them out of wherever it is that cousin's
house because they were refusing to leave. And I want
to be kind, I want to be really gentle, I
want to be compassionate with my children, but sometimes they
(09:07):
just have to get in the car, or sometimes they
do just have to go to bed. It doesn't ever
feel good to be overly controlling and forceful, but sometimes
we need to do that. We want to do it
as gently as we can, We want to do it
as softly and considerately and compassionate as we can, but
sometimes we just need a result, and in that case
we have to take it. The thing is, though those
(09:29):
instances are rare, they are vanishingly small if we can
set things up ahead of time and be proactive, And
that's probably where I'd like to focus. You and I
have spoken many many times about how rather than addressing
things in the moment, we'll address things on the weekend.
We sit down and have our family meeting on a Sunday,
(09:51):
and we say to the kids, what's gone well this week,
let's celebrate us successes. What hasn't gone well? Oh yeah,
there's been a lot of this happening, or there's been
a lot of that happening. And it's a non targeted
way to address the challenges in the family and then
make plans. All right, what's one thing we're going to
work on this week so that we can make our
family feel better, get everyone aligned, everyone on the same page,
(10:13):
and put together a plan. Yeah, we're going to work
on being kind of okay, what are two or three
strategies that we can implement to get this right?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Well, I just want to add some clarity because you've
acknowledged that we don't deal with things in the moment. Yeah,
And the reality is that all of those situations need
to be dealt with in the moment, but the conversations
where learning takes place. Don't happen in those moments.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
What a great way to say it. Yeah, yeah, don't
get rational in the moment, just deal with things.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So one of the things that I absolutely love about
our family meetings is it's actually, in some ways, the
kids are running the conversation. It's not you and I
sitting up the front of the room and saying, Okay,
here's what I've seen kids, this is what we're upset
about this week. This is what hasn't gone well. You
didn't do that. There is none of that. We sit
(11:04):
down and we actually ask the kids. We're the last
ones to speak in that conversation. We ask the kids
what they have seen has gone really well. We celebrate
the successes, and we're able to do that together. Then
when we ask them what didn't go well, it's them
who leads the conversation. They are the ones who recognize
and know that things don't feel great when we're at
(11:27):
each other, and there is an absolute acknowledgment that they
take part in that process to.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
The extent that we can as well. We do have
treats during this conversation. Like this family meeting is meant
to be an easy, fun conversation about helping our family
to function better, and so we do everything we can
in that meeting to help the kids want to be
there and enjoy the opportunity that they have a voice
in the way the family operates.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And then when it comes to that third question, what
are we going to focus on this week, it's the kids.
They look at the list, they see what's gone wrong
during the week or what has hasn't gone well, and
they're the ones who want to rectify it. We haven't
been really kind to each other this week, and our
home hasn't felt great. I think that that is where
the power comes from having those meetings.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So Kaylin, what I would say is when the kids
are ignoring you, or when the kids say I don't know,
or when the kids say nothing. As a parent, it's
your job to hold lines, hold boundaries, be considerate, consider timing,
considering your children's emotional state. Look at whether they've got
food in their berey, how tired they are, all those
sorts of things, and respond accordingly. But results are necessary.
(12:36):
When it's bedtime, it's bedtime, so work out what needs
to happen. Or if the kids are calling each other names,
intervene but do it as gently as you can and
then kick it down the road. And on Sunday you
have that family meeting. What went well, what didn't? What
can we work on? And bit by bit things improve
and then you backslide, and then they improve, and then
you backslide and then they improve. That's family life.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And that's again where the power comes in those regular
family meetings because there's accountability. Everyone's held to a level
of accountability.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So, Kaylene, we really hope that that helps to answer
those questions that you have. Good luck. Look, parenting life,
family life, it is messy, It really is challenging. But
but but hopefully those principles will be useful for you.
If you have questions for us, please jump onto Happy
families dot com dot you use the button talk to us,
let us know what's on your mind. The more prepared
you are with your question, the easier it will be
(13:30):
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(13:50):
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It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
time poor parent who just wants answers.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Now every Tuesday we answer your questions. You can sentence
your questions via podcasts at Happy families dot com dot
you or Betty Yet Jump onto Happy families dot com
dot Au press the easy to use button where you
simply push the button and start talking and we'll do
our best to answer your questions. Today two questions, one
(00:30):
extremely serious and then the other about the everyday challenges
of parenting.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
By now, everyone in Australia knows about the tragedy that
happened over the weekend at Bondi Junction. You've been doing
a lot of media around this. Number one question on
any parent's mind at this time or in time of
tragedy is how do I talk to my kids? What
do I say to help alleviate the anxiety and worry,
(00:58):
grief if it is close to home, and deep sadness
that comes at times like this. What do we say?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
So I'm going to go back a step, and what
I want to really emphasize is that your children don't
need to see it. The rolling coverage, even when I've
been on the TV and I've just been watching what's
happening in the studio. It is traumatizing, it is devastating.
It's horrific to watch this playing out. It's one thing
to hear about it. It's another thing entirely to watch it,
(01:25):
and it is frightening. I'm going to say this really clearly,
not just about the kids, but about you. If you
listening to a Happy Families podcast right now, give yourself
a week away from the news because it is horrible.
It's absolutely horrible. Just don't check the news sites, stay away,
give yourself a break. I'm sure that you've felt your
anxiety increasing. I'm sure that it just feels absolutely terrifying.
(01:50):
Take a break, be outside, breathe, touch the grass, put
the phone away, do something other than watch the news,
because it's terrible for you. And it's the same with
the kids. They need to know that the world is
say from predict believe when it's not, and the best
thing that we can do for them is to keep
it away from them as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So I guess the next step is what do we
actually say to our kids if they find out Because
the reality is, especially our kids in high school who
have got their own phones, it's coming through their feeds
seeing it, they're talking about it. How do we actually
help alleviate the challenges that are associated with them being
aware of stuff that has the capacity to create high
(02:27):
levels of anxiety and stress.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, so I'm going to mention a handful of things.
First off, assuming that they have reasonable distance from the tragedy,
they're not personally affected. If your kids are seeing this,
they're probably going to talk about it. So here's our
job as parents. We need to Number one, acknowledge the
awfulness of it, and that's not hard. Just see, this
is terrible. This is just terrible. Number two, ask them
(02:51):
how it's made them feel. Say what you see in
terms of feelings. You seem really worried about this. This
seems like it's really freaked you out. You seem pretty upset.
It seems like you don't want to go out as
a result of what you saw. If it's affecting them
that way, But wherever they're at, just acknowledge what you're seeing.
Next thing, ask them if they have any questions. You've
(03:12):
obviously seen this, you've obviously heard about it. What questions
do you have or what are the kids at school saying,
or what has your conversation in your head been, what
do you want to talk about it in relation to it.
You're not trying to be their therapist. You're just asking
them what questions they have.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So when a child comes to you with a question
that you don't have an answer to, especially at a
time like this, and it's creating significant anxiety, what can
we as parents do? What do we say in that moment?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I just think you answer really briefly, and you answer honestly,
You answer in an age appropriate way. Because they don't
need everything. I talk about the fire hose all the time.
Don't turn on the fire hose. When someone wants a drink.
Just give them a glass of water, let them have
a sip, and if they need to top up and
give it to them because they ask for it. So
they don't need to know and hear everything. And the
reality is you probably don't know a whole lot, and
(04:00):
so don't make up answers. Just say I don't know.
Get comfortable saying I don't know. I think that's perfectly
fine to do. And for me, one of the biggest
things that we can do, one of the centrally important
things that we can do is reassure the kids that
this is unusual. This is staggeringly uncommon. I can think
of two incidents that have been catastrophically tragic in Sydney
(04:25):
let alone in Australia in the last dozen or so years.
There was the Link Cafe siege, and there's what's happened
at Bondi Westfield. There may have been other things that
have happened. I mean, we can go back to nineteen
ninety six and Port Arthur. I guess my point is
there are so few of these kinds of things that
(04:45):
happen in this country. It is a beautifully, wonderfully phenomenally
safe country, and our kids need to know that they've
been to the shops so many times nothing like that
has ever happened to them. This is the only time
that we've heard of it happening. Let's get back out there,
let's get back on the horse. Avoidance reinforces anxiety, and
so I would be really really keen to number one,
(05:06):
help them to avoid the news completely, because then there
won't be anxiety. But if they've seen it, get them
back into life as soon as you can, jump on
the bike, go for a ride, go to the park,
Go to places where you know that you can feel
safe and get back into life.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Our second question comes from Kayleen. We love receiving your questions,
and if you've got one for us.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Go to Happy Families dot com dot you. We've got
a button that you can push and then you talk
about it button and people are starting to use it,
but I want everyone to use that. It's so good.
Push the button, start talking, tell us what's on your mind,
and we will do our best to answer your questions.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Kaylen sent us an email and she said.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Mae, yeah, she didn't use the button.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
She said, my family isn't struggled town in a big way.
I've heard you, and I'm working hard on connecting, getting
curious and all that stuff. But what are we supposed
to do when we are consistently met with I don't
know nothing. I don't want to usually after being ignored
when making polite, respectful requests and then being yelled at
when you're holding the boundary or expectation. We simply can't
(06:12):
let them play, definitely when it's bedtime. We can't let
them never brush their teeth, hit one another, call each
other names, or speak to one another like their dirt
under one another's feet. How do we work with this?
We're exhausted, and every day is about it.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Lately, Kaylen added some contexts well, Kylie, she said that
they've got three kids at home, six, eight, and fourteen,
and there's a lot of neurodivergence in the family. Really
wanting everyone to feel happier and respected and considered. But
you can hear how challenging this is. So I'm hearing
Kayleen's plea, and there are a couple of things that
stand out to me. First off, timing is everything. When
(06:47):
we try to talk to our children and they're emotional,
we tend to get responses like I don't know and nothing,
and I don't want to Our timing matters enormously. Now,
I know that's not the crux of what Kaylin's asking,
but I wanted to highlight that because if the kids
are a bit emotional, if they're really engaged in what
they're doing, we're not going to be able to have
(07:08):
productive and effective conversations with them. We're going to get
reactions that are uncomfortable and difficult and annoying and frustrating
and often inflammatory. High emotions, low intelligence. Sometimes you do
just have to deal with it in the moment. But
what I would encourage, where possible is deal with challenges
at appropriate times, at good times, at times where everybody's
(07:29):
in the mood for having a conversation and is available
to talk, rather than in the moment.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
When I'm reading this, I may have this wrong, but
I kind of feel like there is this tendency to
want to be this gentle, loving parent and not raise
our voices, and we feel like the only way we
can do that when our kids push back is to
acquiesce and let them keep going. But what happens when
(07:59):
in moment we're stuck with a kid who keeps hurting
their sibling and we're trying our best to be respectful
and be kind and help. How do we actually deal
with things in the moment? Because you're saying timing matters
and we can't always have these beautiful, thought provoking conversations
with the kids. Tell me about your feelings, So what
(08:21):
happens in the moment.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
In the moment, I think we need to remember that
sometimes there's just no such thing as perfect. I mean,
every now and again, I'll tell a story where I've
nailed it, or you've nailed or another parent has just
gotten this so right. But most of the time perfect
doesn't exist, and the more we push for perfect, the
more frustrated we will be at ourselves and also at
our children for ruining our otherwise perfect and well planned lives.
(08:46):
We sometimes just have to do what we have to
do to get kids out of trouble or to There
are times where I had to pick up a child
and literally put them over my shoulder and carry them
out of the shops, or carry them out of the park,
or carry them out of wherever it is that cousin's
house because they were refusing to leave. And I want
to be kind, I want to be really gentle, I
want to be compassionate with my children, but sometimes they
(09:07):
just have to get in the car, or sometimes they
do just have to go to bed. It doesn't ever
feel good to be overly controlling and forceful, but sometimes
we need to do that. We want to do it
as gently as we can, We want to do it
as softly and considerately and compassionate as we can, but
sometimes we just need a result, and in that case
we have to take it. The thing is, though those
(09:29):
instances are rare, they are vanishingly small if we can
set things up ahead of time and be proactive, And
that's probably where I'd like to focus. You and I
have spoken many many times about how rather than addressing
things in the moment, we'll address things on the weekend.
We sit down and have our family meeting on a Sunday,
(09:51):
and we say to the kids, what's gone well this week,
let's celebrate us successes. What hasn't gone well? Oh yeah,
there's been a lot of this happening, or there's been
a lot of that happening. And it's a non targeted
way to address the challenges in the family and then
make plans. All right, what's one thing we're going to
work on this week so that we can make our
family feel better, get everyone aligned, everyone on the same page,
(10:13):
and put together a plan. Yeah, we're going to work
on being kind of okay, what are two or three
strategies that we can implement to get this right?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Well, I just want to add some clarity because you've
acknowledged that we don't deal with things in the moment. Yeah,
And the reality is that all of those situations need
to be dealt with in the moment, but the conversations
where learning takes place. Don't happen in those moments.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
What a great way to say it. Yeah, yeah, don't
get rational in the moment, just deal with things.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So one of the things that I absolutely love about
our family meetings is it's actually, in some ways, the
kids are running the conversation. It's not you and I
sitting up the front of the room and saying, Okay,
here's what I've seen kids, this is what we're upset
about this week. This is what hasn't gone well. You
didn't do that. There is none of that. We sit
(11:04):
down and we actually ask the kids. We're the last
ones to speak in that conversation. We ask the kids
what they have seen has gone really well. We celebrate
the successes, and we're able to do that together. Then
when we ask them what didn't go well, it's them
who leads the conversation. They are the ones who recognize
and know that things don't feel great when we're at
(11:27):
each other, and there is an absolute acknowledgment that they
take part in that process to.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
The extent that we can as well. We do have
treats during this conversation. Like this family meeting is meant
to be an easy, fun conversation about helping our family
to function better, and so we do everything we can
in that meeting to help the kids want to be
there and enjoy the opportunity that they have a voice
in the way the family operates.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And then when it comes to that third question, what
are we going to focus on this week, it's the kids.
They look at the list, they see what's gone wrong
during the week or what has hasn't gone well, and
they're the ones who want to rectify it. We haven't
been really kind to each other this week, and our
home hasn't felt great. I think that that is where
the power comes from having those meetings.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So Kaylin, what I would say is when the kids
are ignoring you, or when the kids say I don't know,
or when the kids say nothing. As a parent, it's
your job to hold lines, hold boundaries, be considerate, consider timing,
considering your children's emotional state. Look at whether they've got
food in their berey, how tired they are, all those
sorts of things, and respond accordingly. But results are necessary.
(12:36):
When it's bedtime, it's bedtime, so work out what needs
to happen. Or if the kids are calling each other names,
intervene but do it as gently as you can and
then kick it down the road. And on Sunday you
have that family meeting. What went well, what didn't? What
can we work on? And bit by bit things improve
and then you backslide, and then they improve, and then
you backslide and then they improve. That's family life.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And that's again where the power comes in those regular
family meetings because there's accountability. Everyone's held to a level
of accountability.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So, Kaylene, we really hope that that helps to answer
those questions that you have. Good luck. Look, parenting life,
family life, it is messy, It really is challenging. But
but but hopefully those principles will be useful for you.
If you have questions for us, please jump onto Happy
families dot com dot you use the button talk to us,
let us know what's on your mind. The more prepared
you are with your question, the easier it will be
(13:30):
for us to put you on the podcast and answer
your questions to make your family function better. Tomorrow a
really important conversation about pregnancy and infant loss. And then
on Thursday this week in parenting our favorite podcast ever.
The Happy Families podcast is produced by Justin Rawan from
Bridge Media Craig Bruce is our executive producer. To make
(13:50):
your family happier, please visit happyfamilies dot com dot au
for all the resources you need for a flourishing family
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