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Speaker 1 (00:10):
I Heard podcasts here more Mix one or two point
three podcasts, playlists and listen live on the free iHeart
app Mix one oh two point three. Haley and Max
in the morning. It seems every single day we have
something coming through the news about AI, good, bad. Otherwise,
Hailey's a little bit freaked out. I'm a little bit interested.
(00:30):
So we thought we'd get someone who is a complete
and absolute expert on this at the university level, a doctor,
if you will, Doctor Nusha Shafia Bardi joins us on
the line and internationally recognized AI expert. Morning doctor, Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Good morning, how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We are well, but also so fascinated by what you're
about to tell us, because AI, to many people is scary.
Is it really taking over the world. It feels like
it's happening very fast.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
AI is changing the world. And if you look at
the research that we're doing at the Australian Catholic University,
there are many applications, but eventually they would become commercialized
and these are the beginning of changing the ways people
will be using different applications and change a lot of
(01:20):
things for every one of us.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So when we talk about things being commercialized, are we
all going to lose our jobs doctor.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
According to the Word Economic Forum, they released a report
in twenty twenty three and they predicted that about forty
percent of jobs will be displaced.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yes, but that doesn't mean that we won't have a job.
You know, the types of jobs of the future will change.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So surely jobs like ours where it relies on personality
and relationships and communicating with people and all that kind
of stuff, we can't be replaced, can we We're safe right?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, I think because you create a type of relationship
with the people and people love you, so can't replace
it with a machine or robots.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It's a relief, That's all we wanted to know.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It is scary, Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Where do new jobs come from? If we're being taken
over by AI?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, the lower value tasks will be the first job
sets will be displaced. Like, for example, if you look
at that AI voice recognition system that Hungry Jack implemented
and they were trialing in Sydney, that is a kind
of low value task and it can be displaced by
(02:39):
AI to take an order higher value tasks. They are
not there to be displaced yet. New roles such as
AI system management, you know, and customer experience, and those
things will still stay, so higher value tasks will be
the jobs that wouldn't be displaced that quickly.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I'd love to talk to you about where I find
it a bit scary, and that is on the topic
of children using it as deep fakes.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
A AI images images.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Creating naked images of their peers and sharing it around.
How do we stop this from happening.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
On the social media. We need some policing in order
to identify the fake videos. Even we can use A
itself to identify those fake videos putainst itself. Yeah, so
if the social media platforms provide some policing tools, that
would really help in order to stop them. And as parents,
(03:38):
you know, we can't step in and control the kids
at this stage.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well it should just say it cannot generate this for
you because it's going against guidelines or whatever. Do you
know what I mean when AI should say that not
actually let it happen in the first place.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well, there are a lot of governments, the South Australian
government in particular as one that's pushing it, that are
trying to have you know, you create that fake image.
It's the same as sharing an actual naked image of
someone which makes it illegal that discourages people from doing
mixed one O two point three Haley and Max in
the morning, in the middle of a very fascinating chat
with Dr Nusha Shaffia Bati, who is an AI expert.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
As someone who knows AI back to front, and I
love your honest answer. Does it scare you at all?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It doesn't scare me, But I believe that it's everyone's
responsibility to use AI ethically. In Australia, you're quite lucky.
Imagine when Trump came to power, one of the first
things he did was removing all the regulations for AI.
But in Australia we're bound by regulations and we care
about these things, which is good.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
As an AI expert, can you please give us some
positive things, like what are some things for us look
forward to in the next few years that we're going
to get out of AI.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Definitely, AI can do a lot of good things for us.
For example, one of the areas that it helps us
a lot is disease identification. So at universities we're in
the process of creating AI systems that can identify diseases
in their early stages quite accurate and that helps us
(05:10):
to have a better healthcare system, which is great. Another
great thing about AI is you can give us personalized recommendations.
Imagine in the old days, when you open the news
or you open your laptop and the news came up,
you didn't have this kind of personalized recommendation, and you
(05:30):
might have read stuff that you didn't like. But nowadays
things can be recommended to us in accordance to our priorities,
our preferences. An knowing people's personality and AI agent can
propose what they want to see and bring those things
up for them. Right.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
That's a great point. What I guess people need to
remember is AI only knows as much as humans know
and what we feed it. Because I just put into AI,
how do you cure cancer? And obviously AI doesn't know
that because AI only knows what we know. So I
guess it's a really important thing to know that AI
knows what it knows because of us.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, but it knows what every human knows. It knows
all of the things that human knows. I can't create things.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
On its side, but it can't create things on its own,
but imagine if it could. Imagine if AI was so.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Smart I've seen Terminated right now.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I've seen the AI movie with Harley Joe Osmont. We've
seen movies I've seen. I know that it's not going
to go well for Will Smith. Do you think that
AI will ever replace real human connection? Do you think
it will ever have the capacity to feel emotions?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, AI itself cannot feel things because feeling, you know,
comes from the heart. It doesn't have a heart. It's
some processing systems and CPU and you know, all those
electronic equipments. But emotions, some parts of emotions are based
on learning, like happiness, sadness, those things when a kid
(07:01):
is growing up here or she lends those emotions, you know,
So those parts that are related to learning. When you
do a bad thing, you are scolded, or you know,
when you do a good thing, your parents do something
good for you. So those stuff can be taught to AI.
But feeling that comes from heart, it doesn't have a heart.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
No, it doesn't have a heart.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
We've still got a place on this earth. You and I, Hailey,
my god, we're still hanging on. Doctor Nusha Shaffiabadi from
the Australian Catholic University, an AI expert, thank you for
opening our eyes and teaching us a bit today. We
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh, you're very welcome. Thank you for having me.
I Heard podcasts here more Mix one or two point
three podcasts, playlists and listen live on the free iHeart
app Mix one oh two point three. Haley and Max
in the morning. It seems every single day we have
something coming through the news about AI, good, bad. Otherwise,
Hailey's a little bit freaked out. I'm a little bit interested.
(00:30):
So we thought we'd get someone who is a complete
and absolute expert on this at the university level, a doctor,
if you will, Doctor Nusha Shafia Bardi joins us on
the line and internationally recognized AI expert. Morning doctor, Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Good morning, how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We are well, but also so fascinated by what you're
about to tell us, because AI, to many people is scary.
Is it really taking over the world. It feels like
it's happening very fast.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
AI is changing the world. And if you look at
the research that we're doing at the Australian Catholic University,
there are many applications, but eventually they would become commercialized
and these are the beginning of changing the ways people
will be using different applications and change a lot of
(01:20):
things for every one of us.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So when we talk about things being commercialized, are we
all going to lose our jobs doctor.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
According to the Word Economic Forum, they released a report
in twenty twenty three and they predicted that about forty
percent of jobs will be displaced.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yes, but that doesn't mean that we won't have a job.
You know, the types of jobs of the future will change.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So surely jobs like ours where it relies on personality
and relationships and communicating with people and all that kind
of stuff, we can't be replaced, can we We're safe right?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, I think because you create a type of relationship
with the people and people love you, so can't replace
it with a machine or robots.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It's a relief, That's all we wanted to know.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It is scary, Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Where do new jobs come from? If we're being taken
over by AI?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, the lower value tasks will be the first job
sets will be displaced. Like, for example, if you look
at that AI voice recognition system that Hungry Jack implemented
and they were trialing in Sydney, that is a kind
of low value task and it can be displaced by
(02:39):
AI to take an order higher value tasks. They are
not there to be displaced yet. New roles such as
AI system management, you know, and customer experience, and those
things will still stay, so higher value tasks will be
the jobs that wouldn't be displaced that quickly.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I'd love to talk to you about where I find
it a bit scary, and that is on the topic
of children using it as deep fakes.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
A AI images images.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Creating naked images of their peers and sharing it around.
How do we stop this from happening.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
On the social media. We need some policing in order
to identify the fake videos. Even we can use A
itself to identify those fake videos putainst itself. Yeah, so
if the social media platforms provide some policing tools, that
would really help in order to stop them. And as parents,
(03:38):
you know, we can't step in and control the kids
at this stage.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well it should just say it cannot generate this for
you because it's going against guidelines or whatever. Do you
know what I mean when AI should say that not
actually let it happen in the first place.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well, there are a lot of governments, the South Australian
government in particular as one that's pushing it, that are
trying to have you know, you create that fake image.
It's the same as sharing an actual naked image of
someone which makes it illegal that discourages people from doing
mixed one O two point three Haley and Max in
the morning, in the middle of a very fascinating chat
with Dr Nusha Shaffia Bati, who is an AI expert.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
As someone who knows AI back to front, and I
love your honest answer. Does it scare you at all?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It doesn't scare me, But I believe that it's everyone's
responsibility to use AI ethically. In Australia, you're quite lucky.
Imagine when Trump came to power, one of the first
things he did was removing all the regulations for AI.
But in Australia we're bound by regulations and we care
about these things, which is good.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
As an AI expert, can you please give us some
positive things, like what are some things for us look
forward to in the next few years that we're going
to get out of AI.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Definitely, AI can do a lot of good things for us.
For example, one of the areas that it helps us
a lot is disease identification. So at universities we're in
the process of creating AI systems that can identify diseases
in their early stages quite accurate and that helps us
(05:10):
to have a better healthcare system, which is great. Another
great thing about AI is you can give us personalized recommendations.
Imagine in the old days, when you open the news
or you open your laptop and the news came up,
you didn't have this kind of personalized recommendation, and you
(05:30):
might have read stuff that you didn't like. But nowadays
things can be recommended to us in accordance to our priorities,
our preferences. An knowing people's personality and AI agent can
propose what they want to see and bring those things
up for them. Right.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
That's a great point. What I guess people need to
remember is AI only knows as much as humans know
and what we feed it. Because I just put into AI,
how do you cure cancer? And obviously AI doesn't know
that because AI only knows what we know. So I
guess it's a really important thing to know that AI
knows what it knows because of us.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, but it knows what every human knows. It knows
all of the things that human knows. I can't create things.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
On its side, but it can't create things on its own,
but imagine if it could. Imagine if AI was so.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Smart I've seen Terminated right now.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I've seen the AI movie with Harley Joe Osmont. We've
seen movies I've seen. I know that it's not going
to go well for Will Smith. Do you think that
AI will ever replace real human connection? Do you think
it will ever have the capacity to feel emotions?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, AI itself cannot feel things because feeling, you know,
comes from the heart. It doesn't have a heart. It's
some processing systems and CPU and you know, all those
electronic equipments. But emotions, some parts of emotions are based
on learning, like happiness, sadness, those things when a kid
(07:01):
is growing up here or she lends those emotions, you know,
So those parts that are related to learning. When you
do a bad thing, you are scolded, or you know,
when you do a good thing, your parents do something
good for you. So those stuff can be taught to AI.
But feeling that comes from heart, it doesn't have a heart.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
No, it doesn't have a heart.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
We've still got a place on this earth. You and I, Hailey,
my god, we're still hanging on. Doctor Nusha Shaffiabadi from
the Australian Catholic University, an AI expert, thank you for
opening our eyes and teaching us a bit today. We
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh, you're very welcome. Thank you for having me.
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