FULL SHOW #81: TODAY'S WALL OF TRUTH QUESTION HAS HAYLEY CHOKED UP.

FULL SHOW #81:

IN TODAY'S WALL OF TRUTH, HAYLEY ANSWERS A VERY VULNERABLE QUESTION ABOUT HER PREVIOUS EMPLOYMENT.

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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three podcasts, playlists and listen live on the Free.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
iHeart app Haley and Max in the Morning. With these
two together, anything can happen. This is Hailey and Max
in the Morning. Adelaide's number one. It's fun, it's fine,
it's two plus six.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Good morning Adelaine, Happy Monday. Hailey Pierce and Max perfect.
Look they do say, anything can happen, Max Burfitt.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
The floor is.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yours, prizes, prizes, prizes today, Hailey, what have we got?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
What are we giving away? Oh my god, so many
things go on.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Tell us, tell us the things we've.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Got, tickets to play, school, we've got Why are you
doing this to me? I don't know. I wasn't listening.
Oh I reckon. This is.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Paper? Yeah? Did I throw that out?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Every day our producer comes in here. They print up
things top points for us. So we've got notes on
important things that are coming up in the show.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Do I throw yours out?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
No? These are yours from this morning. Producer Luke came
in here, put them down in front of you.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I got this so organized from Friday's.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Your sheet of paper that says first calls one hundred
dollars hungry jacksbouch me play School Life, Family Summer to
her announced that's something to come up, but you won't
be able to say anyone it because Luke walked in.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
You weren't paying attention, and then you just went like this.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Did you see me do that? Checonds after he put
him down.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
And now Hayley's papers are in the bin, and Max.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
What's the other thing she always does throughout the show? No,
she goes, I don't have that sheet.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm really angry, and then I get rid. To be honest,
I actually, in that moment hate you because you are
so patronizing about of course you've got your sheets, But
I hate you because I feel like I haven't. Don't.
I'm trying to prove to.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Everyone that I haven't actually got the sheets.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, but you do, and you've thrown them up.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
You got this habit of like the thing that you
think is finished, Instead of just moving it to the.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Side, you scrunch and you throw and it ends up studio.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
They're just so organized, our beautiful producers. I thought that
was from Friday quiz that I put throughout before, as
well as.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
That today Today's money minute, because yeah, so I guess
I'll be reading.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
The questions, but you don't even look at them. If
you thought it was Friday, just double check.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
I don't. I don't have time to double check. You know,
I'm always in a rush, bear joke.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
We've got so much pass through my life.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
We've got so much on in here we do.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
We've got like a six minute break until the next time.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
They tell you about my weekend. And now you've ruined it.
So I'm not going to tell you now because no
one cares.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, one hundred dollars Hungry Jack's voucher on the line,
so the stakes are high. We're playing a new game
against each other today. We're playing word pong. Word pong, Yeah,
word pong, table tennis. Will work it out. It's a
new game. We're just working through those things at the moment.
But essentially we get give in a category from Burge
over here and we go head to head with We're

(03:15):
just playing back hands down the line to each other.
We're playing for people Andy in Redwood Park this morning, morning.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Andy, and and your morning, And are you doing some
heavy hitting stuff today at work or what?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Always in the pairl on industry.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
So we always.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
Do.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
You get really excited when someone goes, oh, my power
line is down. Yeah, I'm going to go.

Speaker 8 (03:39):
That means a lot of headaches.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah yeah, but he got on and fix it. That's
your job, right, No, yeahcause that's it causes headaches.

Speaker 9 (03:47):
Do worry about that?

Speaker 10 (03:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Power is good. We like power. You keep up the
good work. I hope I can win for you.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
And Cathy. Hi, Hi, what are you doing up so early?

Speaker 6 (03:59):
Just call it into work?

Speaker 11 (04:00):
So Elie starts, Ellie.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Gets gets, the early, worm gets the worm is hanging
out with other worms, her up early, watching out for
the birds.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
All right, let's go, let's play.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
All right, let's do it. Here we go. Types of flower.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
That friend of Panny, lily, daisy, geranium.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I'm so bad at flowers.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Standard line, chrysanthemum.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Oh, I mean it's not said correctly, but it is chrysanthemum, peony.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's by the way, it's not a pa and e
like a penis. It's how long is she getting here?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Sorry? Gebra?

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Can we get a little buzz or no?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
We're still ironing out some kings. Just keep going. Gebra.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I've never heard of a gebra in my life lavender,
Rosemary flowers.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
On Rosemaries whatever, she can have this one. It's going
too long. You need a buzzer.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
We need a buzz quicker as we work this out.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
And no fighting. You can fight after just name the thing.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
And move on.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I'm a lover, not a fighter.

Speaker 12 (05:17):
Cartoon characters, Bart Simpson, Made Simpson, Lisa Simpson, Helper Maggie,
Rusty the.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Clown, Maude Flanders, Peter Griffin.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
It's gotta be quick. Sorry, it is so dumb.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
All right, However, gets the next one wins. Let's go
four letter words, four.

Speaker 10 (05:51):
Letter words, four door wordnoy, Andy, We're going to hungry
Jack space beautiful.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Thank you Andy, Sorry, Kathy, We're working it out.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
There's some fun in that game. This work a little
bit fun.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
What about I can't do characters sirrih Simpsons.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Characters, I am mad.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
From the weekend's football, Adelaide Crows have had to come
out and apologize to the Sydney Swans after Wayne Miller,
one of Adelaide's players, said this of Sydney post game.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
You can sort of feel it as a group. You know,
we were all over in the first half.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
And they was sort of a bit of a rabble.
Just hearing from them on grounds a bit of a rabble?
What's wrong with that? Is the offensive bit? Apparently?

Speaker 1 (06:50):
So the Crows won by fifteen goals. The Swans made
a Grand Final last year. They've just lost by fifteen goals.
They're currently fourteenth. They are absolutely a rabble. But what
is a rabble? A rabble disarrayed all over the show,
their football team in disarray at the moment. And Wayne Miller,
who is a very nice guy and very cool, a
shy guy, really was saying they just listening to them

(07:12):
out there, the way that they were panicking about things
when it wasn't going their way, felt like they were
a bit of a rabble.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
So who do you have to apologize to? And why so?
Jack Reewolt is on Fox Commentary.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Jack Reewolt has come out on Fox and he has
said on one of the five hundred footge shows that
they have those comments from Wayne Miller were disrespectful. To
call Sidney a rabble was disrespectful. That's the same Jack
Reewell that danced on the Crow's grave getting up on
stage with the Killers singing mister Brightside.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
After twenty seventeen Grand final is that the.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Guy that dated Stepping Macintosh back in the day.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, that's his cousin. Another that's anotherwell, oh Steph Macintosh.
I don't want to make another mistage regardless. So somehow,
because of this complaint from Jack, the Crows have decided
we're gonna nip this in the butt because this is
obviously a big deal when it's not because they are
a rabble again, let me put that out.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
And careful, mate, you're gonna have to.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Apologize Sydney or rabble.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
The Crow's CEO, Tim Silvers, who again is quite a
nice guy and quite a good operator, felt the need
to call Sydney's chief executive yesterday and apologize on Wayne
Miller's behalf because he didn't want this to blow up
into even more of a story.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Are we just really soft?

Speaker 13 (08:26):
Now?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
You can't say anything? That is the softest thing?

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Like some people are just like, oh woke man as
Weld's gone mad, can't say anything and it's like, no, no,
you're being a little bit racist.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Don't do that.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
This is the softest world's gone mad.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Ever. The word rabble is also another word for a
group of butterflies. Do you think that's how this might be.
Is that what it is?

Speaker 4 (08:46):
They played like a group of butterflies. They lost by
fifteen goals.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
In the week they were FiOS Live a day though.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Here's the problem. Wayne Miller, as I said, he's quite
a shy guy. He's quite a nice guy. He gets
asked to do an interview post game. They all have
to say yes to these things.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Next time someone like Wayne Miller gets interviewed, they're gonna
say when they're asked about the opposition.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
It won't a word will choke up and we'll get
that weird ration his neck, you know when you're nervous.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
And they'll give out cliches and they'll be like, they've
just got to take it one week at a time.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
You know, they'll put in one hundred and ten percent
of it next week.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
And then we have no footballers that we have any
personalities that we all want to support.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
But isn't that like, don't they say way worse things
on the field? What it's about?

Speaker 1 (09:27):
None of the Sydney players from all of the reporting
were offended at all by being called a rabbel again
after losing by fifteen goals.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
We will bring that word back. Do you know what?
Do you know? What's a rabble?

Speaker 7 (09:38):
Me?

Speaker 4 (09:38):
A group of butterflies?

Speaker 2 (09:50):
He's tea a bit of Tate news. Congratulations to Taylor
Swift for officially buying back her Masters. So does that work?

Speaker 5 (10:01):
They initially sold to Scooter.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Braun Bram Yeah, Bram Braun and.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Would drawn by her former label in twenty nineteen in
Scooter then sold them back to Shamrock Capital, who Swift
has just brought them back from.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
So she hasn't owned her music that she originally recorded
for a long time. So that's why you see all
of those brackets Taylor's version because she re recorded every
album apart from Reputation, and then she could make money
off of the Taylor's versions.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah. Crazy. So she actually bought it back for five
hundred and sixty one million dollars. Yep, that is so
much money to own your own stuff. She said, all
I ever wanted was the opportunity to work hard enough
to be able to one day purchase my music outright,
How good is that?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's going to be absolutely fine. Her reputation has gone
straight to number one again.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
And is that the same day that Miley dropped an album?

Speaker 1 (10:54):
So Miley released an album over the weekend, and Taylor's like, oh,
I've got some miss at night light upstage.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
I don't think Taylor's that kind of gal.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Though she absolutely She's got a history of doing it.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yah does all of.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
The other pop girls that whenever they do something big.
Taylor's like, anyway, here's a relay of one of my albums.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Slide that one in there now number one again? All Right,
some awesome TV happening this year. I cannot white.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Netflix has released a ton of trailers.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
What I'm really excited about the first six minutes for
the new season of Wednesday has dropped. Did you watch Wednesday? Wednesday?
I love Oh. I think General Tiger is going to
be the girl that all twins will remember as the
girl that they kind of fell in love with.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Oh my god, we're gonna have a goth era.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, because she's beautiful even though she plays a child,
but she's obviously a lot older in real life. She's
an adult. Anyway. She went on to speak about it
and the fact that Lady Gaga is in the new show,
which is massive. Have a listen.

Speaker 7 (11:49):
When we were on site, I actually didn't know what
to call her.

Speaker 13 (11:51):
So everyone was just going, Garga's coming, Gargas coming, and
that was the code word.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
And it was so funny because she is so sweet,
so humble, just a normal person and it's beautiful and amazing,
and it's intimidating when someone is so talented, so cool.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
At the same time, I'm intimidated by jenneral or Tager.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I think she's so awesome work with her. So it's
all good I do.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Because you look a little bit like her.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
You reckon, Yeah, girl.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
You would be general taker.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, thanks, I guess that.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Drums August six, Happy Gilmour as well, Number two comes
out thirty years If you were.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
A boy, you'd be chumped from Happy Gilmour's.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Dan Nall.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I get a bit. My hand off is.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
That the fact no jumps is the black coach who
loses his hand. It was a joke because you don't
look anything like him. You also dead he died in
the first one Choms and also the actor I think
is dead swell, why would.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
You bring that up? Then your morbids. Squid Game also
comes out June twenty seven, which is really exciting. Wrap
this up here.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
So.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Ed Huran, Oh my god, I love him. He's going
to be heading down under soon. This is this all
came about because on TikTok someone said how does coming
back to Australia sometimes soon? Sounding? And he replies saying
start a twenty twenty six. He has got a new album, Play,
which is going to drop September twelve.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Very excited. He played Adelaide over Lose Massive.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I love him. He's coming back, beautiful man.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
He never turns this down ed. I respect that.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, he always comes to and it always comes to
Adelaide's so.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Right, good guy.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Hey seven forty this morning a bit like year meaning
to each other today. I woke up this morning and
the first thing I thought is I hate coming to work.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
You said it out loud in the meeting before the show. Pup,
everyone up, go back.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
To bed and then get out of bed again and
start my day again.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Sorry, j seven forty this morning, seven forty this morning,
Haley Peersion, Why is she on Tinder?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
What? No, it's your story.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yesn't surprised your story. Artificial intelligence is being used to
assess school students English skills. That is a new article
that's coming out today, and Hailey Pearson is not thrilled.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
With this, I don't like it at all. I don't
like I mean, AI can be used in a great way.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
It is excellent. It's also very scary.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
But it has no as someone who is quite emotionally
driven has no emotional intelligence whatsoever. So when it's well
picking up an essay, marking an essay, it can't pick
up sarcasm or jokes or anything like that. They doesn't
know that Emma put in her whole life into this
essay and she tried really hard.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Doesn't know that, doesn't know that that could be something
very difficult for the student to talk about.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
She doesn't know the student. So how do you mark that?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
The way this is working is exambots of marking students
work in less than a minute, taking over the assessment
time that humans would do, but like and harving it
well way more than halving it, so that the stat
is this takes the teacher about half an hour to
gauge to specific test, the AI app does it in
fifty two seconds.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I love to know what your mum thinks. Actually, she
was a teacher, wasn't she. Yeah, so this is happening
here in South Australia.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, South Australia.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Is using AI tools. The government's brought it in and
I know I've got family that our teachers, and they
work so hard. They don't just switch off at three
thirty when the school finishes. They are always marking. I
wonder if it could help them with like, yes, like
maths maybe where it's black and white. Yes, it's one answer.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Where things are clearly objective. Yeah, I can absolutely see
where this would work.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
That would save time, and that would let them be
have more time doing other things like helping students in
a social environment emotionally and all the other things.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Account You can't encourage students to not use AI and
then they market with AI exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
It's a double standard. Kids are going to take that
and run with it. Well, I don't know how true
this is as well. My thirteen year old have said,
like with his essays, they like they check for Aimum,
we can't use chap, GBT or anything, but do they
Is there a thing that you can put something through
and go This was written.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
By APAM and there's paid ones that pick it up
really well, and there's free ones that you can use.
Even you or me Right now, I can put something
in there and this is ninety percent chance of it
being written by AI.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
But if I do anything AI, I would come up
with an idea, but then I would always change it.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
You can't just trust it, don't you reckon?

Speaker 13 (16:16):
No?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Do you use it to write your bulletins in Channel ten? No?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
I don't use it really at all, And I really
should use it because there are some ways that you
can use it in life which are fantastic.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
If you so.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
My wife's about to go overseas for a little bit,
and I have to do all the cooking at home,
and if I say I'm time, I tell AI, I'm
time poor. These are the things I know how to cook.
These are the things I have in the fridge. Make
me a meal plan for the next week. It'll do
it like that.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Which is excellent. So if you use it for the
right way. But also AI is scary. You kind of
look at it like a little baby. We feeded information
and you can't treat it badly because it can turn
on us one day. It's true, they're coming for us.
Whatever it was, it's kind of scary. We want to
know what you think.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
I'm thirty one oh two three about AI being used
to mark kids assignments.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, and if you're a teacher, would love to hear
from you. Will this help you? If it helps you, great.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
We're on your side, then we would love to hear
from you. Yeah, we're talking.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
AI. Artificial intelligence is being used.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
To mark some English tests in our schools at the
moment in South Australia. Our government is at the forefront
of this. They started getting it in there. Usually takes
teachers about half an hour to mark this test in particular,
but there is an AI app that does the job
in fifty two seconds.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
You can't replace a teacher with AI. I'm sorry, there
is no emotional intelligence there whatsoever. You and I are
not teachers.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
So we've opened it up on thirty one h two
three to the teachers, the people on the front line.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Is this good? Is this bad?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, we've got mister teacher on the phone right now,
mister N.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
No, we've got missus Meaghan.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Oh, we'll go to mister N in a second.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, missus Meaghan. Hello, missus Meghan.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
How are you good? Thank you?

Speaker 8 (17:50):
Haley and Max?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
How are you great?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
What do we think here? AI marking English at school?

Speaker 6 (17:58):
Couldn't couldn't ask for something better?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Right. Really Okay, So.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
Haley, I hear you talk about the emotions, but when
we're marking as teachers where we still at least ten
hours extra in our own time minimum, you know. In
aside from that, you know, at the end of the day,
what we're looking at is assessing against what children can do,
not about how hard they try. We can assess that separately.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
What about sorry to cut you off, and I understand
what you mean, but what about like when there's sarcasm,
or there's jokes.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Or there's that deeply personal that you know was difficult
for that student to put on paper because you have
a relationship to them.

Speaker 6 (18:38):
Yeah, so then you can so when it comes out
of AI, you read it carefully. You don't just go, oh,
that's generated by AI, and let's give it back to
the student.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
You'll look over it.

Speaker 6 (18:49):
You'll then do a judgment call. Okay, yep, I can
see that that child you know has struggled with this
or you know, you know their circumstances. It's not going
to change the grade. But then you can talk it
through with the student and you can, you know, really
problem solved with them. But I think it's just we're
not really assessing based on how hard they've tried or

(19:12):
any of that. We're really looking at what they can do.
And I think with the AI stuff, then what can
happen is it can help teachers to help plan and
program better. So then that way that they can adapt
to the children's needs a bit better.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I get it if you can use it to save time,
because I know you work so hard as a teacher,
but I just worry with kids, like we might have
a little bit of anxiety or a lot of anxiety,
and you just, I don't know, you want them to
succeed and feel like they're succeeding as well.

Speaker 14 (19:40):
Yeah, so you.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Wouldn't just generate an AI report and give it to
the student. As a teacher, I would look at that
and I go, oh wow, okay, yeah, I can see this.
I would adapt what the feedback I give to the children.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
But it's just a really it's a really quick way
of giving you a great diagnostic tool that then you
can adapt and give.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Okay, thank you, Megan.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Megan like that. There's a four. Let's get in against.
We have Nick who is also a teacher. Nicks from
broad View. Nick, you are on the other side of
this AI fence, aren't.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
You definitely.

Speaker 13 (20:16):
Thought there's no doubt of being an English teacher. The
hardest part is the marketing and the drafting and the
subjectivity of it all. But just because something's hard doesn't
mean that that we don't do it. Let's like what
you try and teach your students. So the struggle is
the reward that by kind of spending time on something
and nutting it out and thinking about is how you
find the nuance within things. And if you're finding the
simplest task all the most difficult tasks out to AI,

(20:40):
all you're doing is just lowering your own brain capacity
and it just makes your hypocrite.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Do you think it discredits you as a teacher and
all the work and effort you put into this saying
that a robot can just do what you do?

Speaker 13 (20:50):
Absolutely and what you're doing is basically you're basically like
seeding control of your own job for the future. Like
this is such a slippery slope and I hate AI
so much, but I just like I think that if
we if we are willing to give over like the
soul of our profession to like a machine, then why
did you become a teacher in the first place.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Ye love that Nick soul? Nick?

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Is there is there any is there any bit of you?
You're an english Man and I think that Haley and
I agree with you here having it mark English assignments.
That's not right. The soul you need, the soul you
need to teach it. What about matts like something that
is so clearly black and white?

Speaker 13 (21:28):
Yeah. Look, I don't want to speak for my friends
in the maths department, but I always say that in
English there's no right or wrong answers, just poorly supported one.
So with so much gray, you cannot have a machine
doing that. The black and white maybe, but even then, like,
the more we farm out, the more we seed control,
the more you just say, oh, it's okay, I use

(21:49):
AI to create a grocery list or to write an
email to a friend. The more you do it, the
harder it is. I have students who you know, you
say what's as similarly for something fast as fast like,
and they go, oh, I'll just have a chat to
youts like what do you mean like you can't think
of something fast? Yeah. It just becomes this like being
this default setting for everyone, and you see your parents

(22:11):
using it for email, so then you just think you
can use it for this and the line. The line
is just going to move really really quickly, so we
have to hold the line and kind of keep them
integrity war. I feel like I'm marching into war.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Well you are. You're doing a great job. And thank
you to Megan as well for calling this is so interesting.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Your armor on Nick alongside in the holster. Go down
the front lines, mate, it's there.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Keep that soul alive.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yes, thank you, appreciate the girl brother, No wor.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
We're spiraling on artificial intelligence being used to assess students
work at schools, specifically English. This is a new thing
by the South Australian government. They've got this literacy test
and it is being marked by AI when it is
saving teachers a lot of time, but it's also maybe
costing students the nuance of their English assignment.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
If you've just joined us, we're just saying, how like
AI can't pick up jokes or sarcasm. If you've ever
asked AI to write a joke, they're not funny. AA
is not funny.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
They ain't funny And we all know you're using it.
People think it's seamless. It ain't seamless.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, creativity goes unrecognizes all these things. And we've been
speaking to teachers all morning, and we're about to talk
someone who's fired up.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Alison Chapel Hill third and one or two three shoes
called in, Alice, What do you reckon about AI marking assignments?

Speaker 11 (23:32):
Hi, So I'm totally against using AI to mark English
a science. I am an English teacher. I also teach
has an ARI and you cannot use AI to mark
any of those assignments. Okay, students have their own individual voice.
You need to be able to understand writer's voice, and
AI cannot pick up any of the nuances of a
student's language, like yes, there are little things that maybe

(23:53):
you could pick up, like using we instead of the
audience for example. Byways, it cannot understand student conditions. And
also there are students who require extra consideration because they
might have a learning difficulty or they might not be
able to more complete sentence, and AI will just be
so brutal towards them. You know, I'm also using AI

(24:15):
for brainstorming ideas, but not for actually doing the work.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's ray, I love that say, And you're a teacher,
aren't you, Alice.

Speaker 11 (24:23):
Yes, so I teach English has an Ari to high
school students and I have to deal with the problems
of AI all the time.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Do you see it all the time?

Speaker 11 (24:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (24:32):
I do.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
You are just using it for everything.

Speaker 8 (24:34):
Yeah, I've actually got.

Speaker 11 (24:35):
A student who's used AI twice and I can't It's
at the point where she's just going to fail your
ten English for the semester because I can't help her.
She's not even trying to do the work because she's
completely reliant on AI doing.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
It for her.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
And also, it's not just kids. Adults are doing it too.
A lot of people in workplaces are just like using
AI to do their jobs.

Speaker 8 (24:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (24:58):
So we're encouraged to use it to help without planning,
but we're not doing it for the actual work. And besides,
when I do use AI to get to ideas, I
use about ten percent of them half the time time,
and even then it AI comes up with some really
bad ideas.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Thank you, Alice. Love the passion from someone on the
other side.

Speaker 11 (25:17):
Yeah, Oh my gosh. It's one of the most talked
about topics at the moment, especially amongst the English faculties. Yeah,
I should have been at the English conference a few
weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yeah, well they're all talking about.

Speaker 11 (25:27):
Were we talking about assignments about how to like combat AI,
which include going back to handwritten stuff? But not for everything.
Obviously that's not going to.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Oh my god, can you imagine all these A plus
students that are getting submitting assignments and then getting them
to do handwritten stuff? I love.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
It is so atrocious. I would feel bad for ourus
and every teacher man marking it. Thank you, Alice, appreciate you,
thank you.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
All right, phones are going hot for this one thirteen
one two three, So if you do want to call
us and reach out.

Speaker 9 (25:55):
Well, Hi, it's even here the bus person. We have
done an AI assessment, because you're talking about schools and exams,
We've done AI assessments of the show and AI has
voiced it and it's yeah, it's ready to go in
five minutes.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Oh interesting.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Can't wait to hear what AI has got to think about.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Us, Who AA likes us?

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Maybe've got some things that I like to think about
AI and the feedback from my boss we can talk
about that next.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
That's I'm coming up. I reckon for the last forty
five minutes. We've been talking about this because we can't
stop so many people wanting to share their opinions. AI
using artificial little give you some of that. Now. AI
is being used to assess school students English skills.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, they've got a literacy test that is being assessed.
And the four is that it usually takes teachers half
an hour to mark this test. AI does it in
fifty two seconds. That's a great TICKI.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
But you can't detect any emotional in that intelligence in
that essay at all. Creativity, everything out the window.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
That was our concern. AI is being used for everything,
being used to give feedback.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Sometimes you don't even realize people are using AI until
you put something in a and you go, that's exactly
what they said to me, which it means they used
ir AI to talk to me. Yeah. Crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Actually coincidentally is here right now? Who has just chimed in?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Stephen?

Speaker 4 (27:18):
You have some AI feedback for our show.

Speaker 9 (27:21):
Yeah, we put it into ALI behind the scenes and
there is some feedback and how you can get to
number one and what you need to do.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Okay, have a listening up. Good morning humans.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
I am AI nine thousand here too, Mark the Haley
and Max breakfast show. Category one storytelling great cee plus
you have stories, you just do not finish them properly.
Too many breaks start with so anyway and end with yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
So that happened. No two humans.

Speaker 7 (27:57):
Audiences enjoy payoff, insert hooks, climaxes, you can do it.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Category many minute. That's too many minutes. So that's some
AI faite A lot of feedback.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
That's a lot of what AI thinks of me.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I really don't care what I think about me.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
That AI feedback sounds a lot like the same feedback
that our boss, Stephen, who's in the studio, regularly gives us.
How do I tell the difference between the AI feedback
and your feedback, Stephen?

Speaker 9 (28:29):
I think you just need to know that we're all
right and you're wrong, even though you always think you're right.
It's fine, just take the feedback.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Okay. There's a little intervention going on here, and this
is awkward because Steven is our amazing boss and he
has such a kind heart, but he does use AI
a lot, to the point that he's named AI. Maria.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, he goes, I'm going to I'll ask what producer
Maria has to say it.

Speaker 9 (28:57):
I'm trying to make it more approachable for you guys,
because you don't like it, so like, we'll give it
a name.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's like leaving a dog.

Speaker 9 (29:02):
You give it a personality.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well, Stephen, because it is so good and such a
part of our show. With producer Maria, I've actually contacted you,
so Maria ie chat GPT and I have put in
a prompt just to ask how I should confront my
boss who uses AI all the time, and Maria has
written back with a four step plan. Number one, start
with a compliment, but make it real. So Stephen, I

(29:26):
really appreciate that you take the time to give us
the feedback each week. It shows that you care about
the show and how it performs.

Speaker 9 (29:30):
Sounds so genuine.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Heart.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Number two, gently introduce your concern.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Lately, though, Steven, we have noticed that a lot of
feedback sounds.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
A little bit.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Hey, I generated it's starting to feel like it's missing that.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Human touch, the soul, that human touch. Now I'm very free,
she is, we are.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I am.

Speaker 9 (29:52):
We're talking about me, my god.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Number three of this four step plan for you, Steven,
make it for us, approaching Stephen, make it about the show,
not about Steven. So Hey, Steven, my boss, that the
show's built on personality and connection. We need feed back
that really gets who we are, that makes this dynamic.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Haley and Max work and algorithm can't pick.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Up on that, but you can.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
You can pick up on that Stephen and point for
appeal to his strengths.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Let him know his inside is still valuable. We would
love to hear more of your.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Thoughts, boss, Stephen, even if they're rough, even if they're
off the cuff. That to us means more than a
polished AI paragra.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
It's true. Okay, so that's all true.

Speaker 9 (30:37):
Let's do feedback then Max less words, more opinion, and
just get to the point. Hayley, please plan your brakes.
You're all over the shop and have an opinion, Please
and plan, just plan what you do.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
You go some live feeds, you go.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
And isn't that what AI said as well?

Speaker 5 (30:54):
Yeah, because you got it from a.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Understand I actually don't know where it comes from. You
or middle.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Ten questions sixty.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Money minute, All right, let's make it rain, guys. Let's
do this on a Monday.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Someone's going to win a thousand bucks.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Same question sixty seconds easy?

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Is that? Emily and McGill's going to get them all
right and win a thousand dollars Emily, good morning, Why
do you need the money? Good morning?

Speaker 15 (31:25):
My middle boy is doing push up for mental health mates,
so I want to push the money towards that. But
I also want to spend some money on our Dune
long weekend wedding anniversary. Since two thousand and nine, we've
never ever done anything for our wedding anniversary, so I
think it's about time.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, it is serious. That's a long time.

Speaker 15 (31:42):
It's a long time. It's a very long time. I
just would like to do something.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Maybe go Forginner Jeff two of us.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Oh, that's really nice. I can babysitter right, Emily.

Speaker 15 (31:50):
Thank you so much, Hailey. The boys would love that.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Well, there's your first win. Hailey's going to be the babysitter.
Are you going to win money?

Speaker 9 (31:58):
Now?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
The rules are the same as always get them all right,
win the grand We have to accept your first answer.
If you pass, Emily would come back at the end
if there's still some time left.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
All right, perfect, all right.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
I will warn you.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Hailey has walked in this morning and said, you know what,
I'm in the mood today.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
I'm going to ask the questions. Yeah, yeah, okay, it's
like a severe weather morning. You don't know what's coming.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Bureau's got something to say about this, all right, Haley,
storm's coming. Let's win Emily one thousand bucks so she
can retire and do all of the beautiful things she
wants to do with their life.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
All right, ready, say, you've got to give a consistent leader.

Speaker 8 (32:36):
I go.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
What do you yell if you get a match? In Bingo? Bingo?
What suburb is Secret Meadows shopping center in Secret Meadow?
What does WWE stand.

Speaker 15 (32:47):
For World Wrestling Entertainment?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
What fast food joint is known for the Big Mac McDonald's.
What type of publication is TV week and magazine? What
is the company Dell known for computers? What is the
capital of Pakistan?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
On?

Speaker 2 (33:11):
What channel is the project on ten? What flavor is
the feeling in a Dubai chocolate.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Puck?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
What room would you usually find a Thermo mix in kitchen?
What is the capital of Pakistan? Oh? God quick? What
flavor is a feeling of Dubai chocolate? We were out

(33:47):
but it was too late? Time is ah? Emily? Emily?
Even I'm a bad which I would not.

Speaker 15 (33:54):
Have got My god, I would like Pistacio Tahini.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Don't know that was really Islam A bad of you? Good,
very good.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
I mean I think you know what you got here?
You got nine out of ten they were all correct.
Oh god, you you had someone go and research the
capital of Pakistan in the meantime and you read that
for the very first time, and.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, you know what bad is one? My bard? All good.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I'll take it nine out of ten ninety bucks for you, Emily.

Speaker 15 (34:28):
Thank you, thank you so much. I really do appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Hey, And can I recommend finding some Divide chocolate somewhere
because that stops delicious?

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Does look good?

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Perfect?

Speaker 15 (34:39):
I will I'll try for this weekend for our wedding
anniversarom yes, so.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
You can lift it off each other's body.

Speaker 15 (34:45):
Oh my god, haile, same thing in the morning.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
There's a little bit spicy.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
And here, Emily, you didn't get their job done then, ely,
but guess what you can play again after nine and
every hour while you work today?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
The money minute is back every single day, all right,
So good lack, thank you so much. Wall the Wall
of Truth. Neither of us like it, but we keep
doing it because it's mildly interesting.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
We're told we've got a whole wall in here.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Of envelopes with some deeply personal questions that are tricky ones.
They invoke some stories, they bring up memories neither of
us really want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
And then every day one of us.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Has to go to the wall, pull off an envelope
and answer.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
The questions, suppress memories.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
We flip a coin like that, and if it is heads,
it's a Taily answer, Taily Peerson.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Here you go, Taily Pearson. It's ahead.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Sorry, it's you today, and I'm not going on the wall.
I'm gonna ask a question because this is the way
we're going with it, and.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I quite like it.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Hailey Pearson. Have you ever been fired from a job?

Speaker 13 (36:00):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
That is a deeply personal question. Because you're such an angel,
you wouldn't have been.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
I have been fired from a job. Would like to
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I'm a little bit of PTSD over this. In all seriousness.
It was in a radio job. My last radio job
was amazing. I loved at This was my first radio
brecky job. I won't say where I was, but it was. Yeah.
I literally have blocked out I reckon four years of
my life because it made me hate radio, and I

(36:35):
love it again now, but I didn't for a long time. Yeah,
I have been okay, So flashback would be ten years ago,
eleven years ago maybe, and I was about seven months
pregnant and at the time. In radio, I'm very well
aware that you get fired, but you haven't lived in
radio until you've been fired.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
It's the most volatile job in the world.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
It just is.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
It's a short lived job, and that's fine. I'm very
well aware of that. But I have learnt that there
is a way that you do get rid of people,
and you do it with kindness. And mine wasn't done
with kindness, was it.

Speaker 16 (37:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
It hurt me a lot. Why'd they move you on? Well,
they were changing the show, it was, they were changing
the whole station look and feel. But I was, yeah,
seven months pregnant, and I just wanted answers. I just
wanted to know if I was coming back after I
had my baby. I didn't care really either way. I
just wanted to know just so I could plan. And
I would ask people, am I coming back? Can you

(37:29):
just let me know? No one would say anything, no
one would look me in the eye. And then I
started having full panic attacks where at home, I couldn't breathe.
I was just crying. I fell over at home. Mom
and dad like, you need to just have a day off,
just have a mental health day because this is not okay.
So I ended up having a mental health day and
this is something that you're ready. You can't have a
day off when you're sick. So I had a day

(37:50):
off and that obviously caused a bit of chaos at
the station, going Okay, well, maybe we need to tell
her what's happening.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Like they started to be like, has she taken a
day off because she's suspicious?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, they knew, They knew that I was stressed. They
didn't care. It was just a very toxic environment as
time pregnant woman. Yeah but if anyone doesn't even matter
if you're you're pregnant or not. I was just it
was just yeah. Anyway, I got the call saying, hey,
can you come to the to the station and we'll
have a chat to you. So at this point I walked, Oh,

(38:24):
this is going to bring back a whole lot of stuff.
I walked past my boss's office and I walked into
a boardroom and two people that I loved and respected
were in there, and they told me that that I
wasn't going to have a job after I had my baby,
and that's fine. My contract was ending, so that that's okay.
Obviously sad, but also fine. I then walked out of

(38:48):
that office.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Past my boss's office and he didn't look up.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
He just sat in front of his desk and just yeah,
he knew why I was going in. I don't know
why he was never in that meeting. It was weird.
And I walked past and I was a very different
person back then, and that I was a yes person.
I would always do the right thing, and I wouldn't
stand up for myself. So it took a week, I reckon.
It was about five days going past his office every

(39:13):
day and he still didn't talk to me. So I
did nothing to Yea for five days, nothing, And then
I don't know if he remembers this, but then I
was like, well, I guess I need to go and
see this person. So I walked into his office and
like shaking and going, I guess I'm leaving after four
years and he goes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And

(39:34):
then he said, so on air, I reckon, you should
just say you want to be a mom, which wasn't
the case. I was let go of and maybe it
is my fault. My god, what did you say? Well,
I just took his lead and I went on the
radio station and said I want to leave and just
be a mom. Really, do you regret that? Yes, because

(39:57):
it was a lie. It was a lie. Obviously, I
do want to be a mum, but I want to
be more than just a mom. I wanted to do
a lot of things. I have a lot of aspirations
and I love telling stories. I love being on the radio.
You weren't ready to be let go of. No, So
then I got on the radio station and lied. But
that's like the kind of I don't know. There was

(40:17):
a lot of layers to this story. It was very
it wasn't a good time in my life. Maybe there
was a lot of personal stuff going on as well,
and it just wasn't. It was awful. And I left
and I thought, I'm never ever going to do radio again.
I will never go back to that, and I will
never let someone make me feel the way I felt.
And then three months later, I'd had my baby and

(40:38):
I came up with that lady and I was like,
well that's the best thing that ever happened to me,
because if I didn't get fired, I would have gone
back on radio, and I would have struggled having two
little babies and brah rah, and I would never have
started something that I loved so much with my best
friend Lauren. And so probably in hindsight, it was probably
the best thing that happened to me. And maybe the
way he treated me was great because it taught me

(41:00):
now as a boss of how I will never treat
somebody else ruthless and I'll never make them feel like crap.
Have you spoken to this person since I'm shaking? Oh,
I spent like nine years thinking about this kind of stuff.
It's going to bring up all kinds of stuff. Yes,
I saw him. I saw him once, and I was
nice to him, and obviously he obviously was going for

(41:23):
his own stuff. He was really nice. He was really nice.
But I guess he doesn't know the hurt he goes me.
Oh huh.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
He'll definitely know the fact that he sat there for
five days and that you walk past the office, but.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
He probably doesn't remember. He's a big boss. He's got
other things to worry about. He wasn't thinking about me.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
A big boss should sit in the meeting when they
let him go.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, talent, I would have thought on the air. But
I do often think of this person and think and
thank him for the way he treated me, because I
wouldn't have started something that I love so much. And
I do want to say that there's a lot of
redundancy's going on in everywhere at the moment. It's hard.
Life is hard, but sometimes when you're made redundant and
you lose your job, it's the best thing that will

(42:05):
ever happen to you because you will reset your brain
and you'll end up doing something that you want to do.
Because quite often people are quite complacent and unhappy in
jobs and they'll wait until something like that happens. So
maybe we can turn this into something nice. And I'd
love to hear your story if there's something like this
happened to you. You were fired or you will let
go of or something bad happened and then boom, you

(42:26):
found your dream job.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Land on your feet, Okay, thirty one, two three, give
us a ring for that.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Hey, did you give you a little hut or summer?

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Yeah, you can give me a Hugt'll come give you
a little Hugi.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Thirteen one o two three, give us a call. You
let go and you bounced back better than ever before.
Look at our own Hailey Pierson here, we're taking those
calls celebrating you.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Next, we just had the wall of truth.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I've just been in a really funny, silly mood all
morning and then all of a sudden, now I'm.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Crying demail that with my question, have you ever been fired?
Hailey Pearson?

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah, And I won't tell the whole story again, but
I was, and it wasn't it was. It was awful
at the time, and I think I've got a lot
of PTSD from that era of my life. But it
was the reason why I.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
Started at a lady. So it actually ended up being
the best thing that ever.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Happened brighter side the greener pastures. Yeah, they were actually
there for Haley Peace. And we want to know from
you thirteen one o two three. When did losing your
job change your life for the better? Sarah in Christie
down Downs, we're lacking an s on that one down.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
What happened to you?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
So?

Speaker 16 (43:33):
I was in a proper management position for nine months,
got made redundant. That's what I was going to leave
the industry together, ended up getting another proper management job
and won a couple of awards in that position.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Aye, did the new place just allow you to settle
in and be more yourself?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Why were you better in the new place than the
old place?

Speaker 16 (43:54):
Different group of people, I think, a different mix of
personalities made it all easy to thrive. And yeah, just
really well supported. They've been there for seven and a
half years.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
So yes, yes, girl, And you don't realize at the time.
I want people listening to this if you have just
been made redundant or you've lost it on whatever better
things will come. Sometimes it is the best thing you
need up.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Yeah, keep your.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Thank you, Sarah.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
If you are down in any of Christy down or Downs's, please.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Your Gal and Sarah. Welcome to Haley and Max. Where
have you come from.

Speaker 16 (44:29):
I've been listening to Novo and then just some podcasts
and stuff previously. So yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
We're taking you calls.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah, we've got a family pass to give away for
everyone calling in about when losing a job changed your
life for the better, just like Hayley Pearson.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, I just shared a story about eleven years ago
about a pretty crappy time in my life that I've
weirdly blocked out four years. I think of radio back
then and it made me hate the industry, and then
I came back to it and now I love it again.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
But you landed on you really nice because after you
had been let go unexpectedly, you started at a lady.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
Yeah, three months after and I would never have expected that.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
And if it never happened the way it happened, I
never would have come up with something like that, And
that's just changed my life.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
So she's a mogul.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh stop it. This is the biggest name. Yeah, don't
take that back.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
Can we dump that celebrity?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yuck? Jessica in Parafield Gardens. We're talking about sometimes when
you lose a job, the best thing ever happens. What
happened to you?

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (45:35):
Well, I was an apprentice. Three years and ten months
into my apprenticeship, my bosses actually let me go and
transferred me to another crash shop, where I actually thought
they were going to sign me off because I had
put so much effort into this job and they were
like my dad's in a way, So it really it
broke my heart. I went up to the next crash

(45:58):
shop a few months later, this guy started. He is
now my fiancee. We have two beautiful kids. We have
a respiration business, and I'm working at a school and
I absolutely of life.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, the love of your life. That's so cool.

Speaker 13 (46:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (46:14):
So and I I've been a female in a male industry.
I put more than one hundred and ten percent in
actually fought. I went for a pretty dark depression after
they let me go. Then I realized, no, I'm better
than that.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
So yes, and you said three years and ten months.
I'm not someone that's done an apprenticeship. But are they
four years?

Speaker 8 (46:34):
We you like, just sure, Yeah, it's a four year apprenticeship.
So when they caught me in for the meeting, I
actually thought they were going to be signing me off.
And I was like yes, like this is great. And
then they're like, oh, sorry, we're going to have to
let you go.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Who does that two months before you finish your apprenticeship?

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Waite a bounce back, Jess, Look at that ring on
my finger.

Speaker 8 (46:56):
Yeah that's it.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Thank you. Nicole and power Hills. We're talking about when
you're made redundant, you lost your job and then something
great happened. Good morning, what happened to you.

Speaker 14 (47:08):
So it was around the GFC time. I was just
come back from attendity leave after having my second child,
was made redundant and went into a temping role. We
just we just signed a cash contract on a house
on our forever home, big purchase. So I took a
temping role, did some retraining. My temping role turned into

(47:28):
a three year stint, and then I went into real
estate and ten years later I've just opened my own company.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Oh yeah, so this this temp thing was just just
an in the meantime, just something I needed some money
to come in the door.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
And then it turned out yeah yeah, well.

Speaker 14 (47:45):
Yeah, it was tempting for three months, it turned into
three years. But then that led into some training, which
led into real estate and here we are.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yes, yeah, And you learn so much when you get
fired in a bad way as well. You learn how
not to be and how what you won't put up
with as well, and the power is saying no, and
you move on to the next job as a better person.

Speaker 14 (48:04):
Absolutely, one door closes, another one opens.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Believe in that mile.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Can I ask one quies, now that you're a boss,
have you had to let anyone go? And do you
do it differently? Knowing how you will let go.

Speaker 14 (48:14):
Oh well, at the moment, it's just me. But yeah,
certainly you learn the lessons and I definitely would do
things differently if I had to let someone go.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, thank you Nicole, thanks for calling in. Glad we did.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Thank guys, Thank you therapeutic everyone.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Hey, we play this every single hour from holday minute. God,
this is so exciting.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
The game we played eight am now plays after nine
and every hour with Michelle Murphy a thousand bucks on
the line every.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Time, and she joins us in the studio right now.
Good morning, Michelle.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I love this game.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Hello, we do love this game as well.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
But we want to know.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Haley and I have quizzed each other before we see
each other every morning. We see how well we would go.
We want to know how well you would go with
a money minute.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
I like to be the tester, not the testing.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah. Same, because we're both holding a quiz here and
just for a little tester, a little tear easer for
everyone at home, we're going to put you through a
moneyment of your own.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Michelle Murphy, right you ready, You're gonna look like such
a no, no, no, this is very easy. Oh you
say that, and now I look even more stupid.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
This is the easiest quiz we've ever done, honestly.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Califag all right, question number one a decade?

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Ten?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
What computer? What company makes Matt Computers? Apple? What is
the name of the cowboy in toy story?

Speaker 8 (49:40):
You know this?

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:42):
What color is the kinis green?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
What's the capital of Queensland? Brisbane?

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Which singer has the albums? Nineteen eighty nine?

Speaker 2 (49:50):
And Rey swear?

Speaker 5 (49:52):
Name is something you'd wear a seat belt in car?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Doctors?

Speaker 4 (49:55):
These characters the cat in the what?

Speaker 5 (49:58):
What city is Outer Harbor a suburb of.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Adelaide?

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Yep, he's your favorite between Haley and Max.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, that's all ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
He's got ten locked in three.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
We'll just have to go through them. There, you got
the first nine right. Who is your favorite between Haley
and Max?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
You said Joe. Thanks Michelle, the correct answer, Haley one
of us.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
You can't quite retire on that, Michelle. But ninety bucks
not too bad to start your Monday.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I better get back to my job then. Yeah, yeah,
you're getting away money. Thanks guys, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
I'm true today, Michelle.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
It's that easy. Adelaide. Ten questions going to rind sixty
seconds every hour one thousand dollars upigrams with Michelle Murphy
around here