September 12, 2024 • 15 mins
This week, John Fabris sits down with Tasmanian Senator and JLN party leader Jacqui Lambie, and JLN state MP Andrew Jenner.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
I Heart Dazzy.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hello there, I'm John Fabris. My guest this week is
Jackie Lamby, joined by her party's state MP Andrew Jenner.
A conversation we had recently before the delivery of the
state budget. We'll talk about a new AFL footy stadium
for Hobart, Tasmania's services such as health which always seems
to be in a state of extreme stress, the Liberals,
(00:25):
population growth Mantra, the Devenport Fairies, all this and more
coming up. I heart Dazzy, Jackie Lamby. We seem to
have a lot of discord in Tasmania at the moment.
I get the feeling, and I hate to say it,
that Tasmania is slipping. Do you feel that at the minute?
And certainly that's evidence by what Saul Leslake has put
(00:46):
together with the report.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I have to say that time I came in late
last night and I stay around this area in the
same hotel I have done for many, many years. It
broke my heart when I pulled in there to pick
up my kee at about eleven o'clock last night and
there was not one car car parked in that car park,
and that the motel of it. I stay in is
very well known for where the trade is st and
no cranes in the air mate. I just think if
(01:10):
you're looking around seeing what's going on, empty shops, people
doing it hard. We trying to keep up with supermarket prices,
trying to keep up with fuel prices at lot on
electricity prices. I think I think things aren't pretty out there,
and let alone the world events that are going.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
On, and that's Hobart, how about Bernie, how about Dvmport,
That must even be worse.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So I think when you see the rule and regional
areas going down, you'll see it, certainly before it hits Hobart.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
They'll be feeling it down here already.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
But you see it in the back of Bernie, you know,
you see what's going on on that northwest coast there.
You're also around there doing committees around the rest of
Australian usually I'm doing in the Rule and regional areas,
and you.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Just you can see it. That's that effect.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So they use those rule and regional areas or go
down first, and then they're always the last ones to recover.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
When you see the ABS come out with an unemployment
figure of four percent, that's Beloney is it on the
ground that can't be the case.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
No, no, because you've got to remember they don't break
those statistics down so politicians and never brutally honest with
you instead of saying, actually this many people are working
four hours a week. These many people working eight hours
a week. If you're working one hour week, you're working.
So they're very fudged those statistics.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
All. Be very careful what you're looking at.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
How are we going as a liberal minority government. Now.
I know it's hard to take off your political hat,
but I look at things like the health system dramas.
We hear constant reports of stress and crisis amongst workers.
Yet I speak to people who've had an interface with
the hospitals. Might be lon Sessteant, it might be Hoba,
(02:44):
it might be anywhere. Invariably they come back with glowing
reports about how well they were treated. So where's the
disconnect there? Are we getting a lot of media messages
about things being in a dire state of affairs when
in actual fact, a lot of people are getting good service.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I think what you'll see is those doctors and nurses
out there, because they're so professional, are still getting their
jobs done with a smile. On their faces, and I
think that's probably the disconnect. But you'll also see they're
all on burnout. They're doing double shifts, they're doing it hard,
and they're doing that because they're putting others before themselves.
And we'll always be very, very grateful. But when you
talk to them at their level on how stressful it is,
(03:23):
what it's doing to them, are the term while it's
causing their own families because they're not home causing doing
those double shifts and things like that, then you can
certainly see the disconnect through that. But without and I
get people coming into my office saying, great, I finally
got in there after three or four years.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
They're waiting.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
This aren't getting any any all. I hear about those nurses.
I just love our nurses. They're under the pressure. You
can see them under the pressure. They've still got a
smile on their faces. So God bless and bloody nurses.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So can governments actually fix that? Okay, there's all these vacancies,
but we can't get the staff. And this is happening
right around Australia and therefore just finger the government saying oh,
it's all your fault. That's not necessarily the right attitude either,
is it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I think we've seen a decline, a bigger decline over
the last ten years with our system here in Tasmania,
and I think it comes down to what you prioritize.
If you want nurses from elsewhere, then to entice them
down here. First of all, you're probably going to have
to make sure you're offering them housing so they can
move straight in, and you're probably going to have to
(04:25):
offer them at a higher pay. I think that's what
we need to be doing. So to me, it's like,
do we do this and do we offer them to
entice them to come from the mainland or overseas to
come down here and take some of that strain off
the nurses that are already here, for example, or do
we prioritize and say we need a big stadium with
the roof in our own backyard, so we're spending the
(04:45):
money on that. All it comes down to is when
you are government, is what are your priorities and what
are you prepared to pay?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Jackie Lambi, you've just hit at the AFL stadium. So
I think we're progressed enough now down the road that
the AFL couldn't back out of including us in the competition.
If we chose not to build that stadium.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I don't think I've come across one person's Tasmanium that
doesn't it doesn't want our own team. There is no
doubt about that. So for me, I think after Solo
Slave's report coming out, his economic report in the forecast
for the next ten years, is we have a perfect
stadium at York Park in laun system, okay, and we
can spend a lot less money on that and continue
to build that up. It's got plenty of room around
it to move basically a whole new suburb over there
(05:25):
at Invermay, which has been redone. The streets look great,
the new university is out there. I think it's fabulous,
and I think we need to look at an option
B instead of rowing about, oh hey, we need people
with roofs over their head, people waiting two, three, four
years on a list to get a hit replacement or whatever.
Let's have a look at this, because I think how
(05:46):
awful would the AFL look saying well, if we're not
going to get that, we're not getting our team. And
by the way, I remind every Tasmanian out there that
this is the first time the AFL has ever come
and we bent over backwards for them to come down
here and go, hey, this is what we want for
our Tasmanian team. Nobody else around Australia has been asked
to put a goddamn roof on their stadium. So I
(06:06):
think if the Liberal government had been honest in the
economic situation we've been in, we wouldn't be in the
situation that we're in today having this big dream that
we need this new stadium, all these jobs and blah
blah blah, when we actually don't have the money for it.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Once again, it comes down priorities and getting.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Back to that saw Less like report in very simplistic terms,
our income doesn't match our expenditure. Something's got to give there.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Something does have to give, but cutting frontline jobs is not.
It should not be given. Something's got to give you.
Like I said, it's all about priorities. We don't have
enough mental health out there for our kids. You know,
people don't have a roof over their head. They're struggling
to pay their electricity bills. So it's about priorities and
how about you put the people of Tasmania first instead
(06:48):
of a goddamn stadium with.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
A roof over it.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So up go taxes.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Well that's the only way I can see your way
through that.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
If you do not want frontline services cut, then the
next thing that has to come in is tax So
how are you going to pay for all of this? Well,
you put your big dreams away and you say, you
know what, We're going to have to be in a
better financial situation before we do that, like a stadium.
But what we can do is spend a lot less
money and still be just as great. Sitting there on
non system.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
We'll take a quick break back with Jackie Lamby and
one of her Lambie Network MPs, Andrew Jenner. My Heart Dazzy,
I Heartazzi. Jackie Lamby, you're known for your feistinness, your
strong opinions. Are you irritated that people who have hitched
their wagon to your brand and you personally have somehow
(07:36):
to fired your leadership and rulings on certain topics. It's
ended badly with three different people here in Tasmania A
Tammy Tyrrell, Mirroram Beswick and Rebecca Pentland.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
You know I did the right thing.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I gave ordinary Australians a chance to be in Parliament. Okay,
for whatever reason, they're not there with me any longer.
I can sit there and be peeved and I can
go over and over it, or I can do what
Tasmanians expect me to do, which is to get back
on my feet, does myself off and get on with it,
which is exactly what I'm doing. I just say to
those people out there, you know you will be up
(08:10):
for reelection. You need to do the job that you
promised Tasmanians. And therefore that is what they expect, and
so I have to suspect that they get the job done.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Jackie Lamby and Lamby Network MP Andrew Jenner is with us. Andrew,
you are striking a new deal to support the Liberal
minority government. It was just too one sided, the previous
deal too much in their favor. Is that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I think the actual agreement served its purpose because we've
got both the reports out of it. But I don't
think anybody will be surprised that I wasn't overly happy,
but I understand the reasons why it was put into place.
But now that they have been done, we've worked with
the government, I have no there's no reason for them
to be in there anymore some of those binding clauses
(08:56):
and German clauses. So and it gives me a freedom
that I can hold the government to account in far better, which,
after all, that's what I was voted in for, That's
what Jackie put us up for, to shine a bit
of light on him.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
If you have a difference of opinion with Jackie and
she says no, we need to do this as party leader,
are you going to abide by her ruler?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, I'm so lucky. But we both were, as all
of us as a team. Jackie wasn't like that she
gave us that freedom.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Look, I've been with other political parties before, and the
freedom we were given were almost like independence. But we
were under her banner. But we were still expected to
follow the same rules and principles that the JLM stood for.
And that's what I felt, and as I guess, that's
what we fell out with in the end. But no,
JACKI wouldn't put that on.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Me going forward. Jackie, is there a structural problem with
the Lamby network that independent minded people come to you
your party, but then that very independent nature leads to
things falling apart.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yeah, that would be part of it.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The other thing is where we are only a small
party or network, as you say, so, so we don't
have probably those people that we've needed on the other side,
whether that's people just cushioning others guiding them. You've got
to remember too, these guys are picked. We were not
expecting a state election for another few years. We move
very very quickly up here on that. I didn't know
(10:21):
some of those guys so very long at all. My
trust was with that they would just do the right thing.
And once again I'll never regret giving ordinary Tasmanians. It
shot up being into parliament. But unfortunately I just don't
have the money or the resources like Clive Palmer did.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
When we look at governments, just talking philosophically, and I'll
ask it of both of you. This Tasmanian government has
this ideology around population growth at all costs, like six
hundred and fifty thousand people by twenty fifty is the target.
I get a little worried by that. I mean, our services,
our homes don't exist now for our current population. It
(10:57):
just seems like an economic sugar hit. Governments do because
it sits well in statistics, but in terms of way
of life, here in Tasmania around Australia. Not great idea,
is it.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
But people here are coming here are declining. We're back
in the decline again. So people all have moved down
here during COVID whatever reason I'm now leaving. The last
thing I'm wrote about right now in Tasmania is population growth.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, we can't deliver services now, yeah them, So you
know why you're going to look at adding another hundred thousand.
It's just beyond me.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's just beyond everyone I talked to, and yet politically
it flies.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
It's like, we really need to look after the people
here that are here first and foremost and probably need
to get that down Pap before we think too much
to start going off about population growth.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Let's just talk quickly about the ferry situation. The infrastructure
at Devonport not ready for these two brand new, very
expensive ships. Michael Ferguson falls on his sword around all that.
Is that a political problem or has that been the
t T line fumbling ball?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I think you're going to find when all the truth
comes out, is well, I've always had a problem with ports,
with ports Tasmonia.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I can assure you that much.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I don't believe it, would they say to me over
the years, and that's why I haven't seen them for years,
because there's no point because I just don't believe anything
that's coming from them, which is very, very sad. So
I think it's about time to look at who's in
charge of tas Ports and I think you're going to
find that I probably need to have a bit of
a rejig at who's at the top of that. And
I think they've been there for way too long. So
(12:29):
that is my biggest problem there.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I think when it comes to Ferguson, he didn't fall
on he saw he was pushed. It wouldn't have been
for Jackie and the jail and it's still been sitch.
We still wouldn't hold him account and that's been the
problem for the last ten years. Nobody's holding him account.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And then there's a Treasure thing with his cross conflict.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Absolutely you're going to remember that the Treasure is a
member and holds the portfolio of both and he's still
got to vote actually on the ports. I mean, we
haven't got a government official now apart from him or
the same thing. We've just started to take him out.
But as treasurer. He still gets in there, so I
haven't really moved him.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Is it time, though, these parties or independents that are
supporting the government in minority, that they should be taking portfolios?
This idea of having six portfolios with one person is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, I think so. I absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And you know you look like and you look at
someone like David O'Byrne that he's been in politics for
so so long, he had infrastructure, he's been in the game,
like I said, for a long time, he'd be great.
You know, he's got credibility behind him, all that sort
of stuff. You should be looking at that as options
and anybody else that's done time up there and has
served their purpose and continually gets in whether they're part
(13:40):
of that party or not, maybe it's about time to
give them an opportunity. This is not about parties. This
is about Tasmania. That's right and what is best for
it And if you are the best person for it,
I don't care which team you're in, then you should
have that job. That is how business runs, and maybe
they start running like a business instead of the poor
political state that they run as Now.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I'll leave you with just a little glimpse into your
private lives. What's Bernie like for you these days, Jackie?
Do you do anything outside of politics and relax?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
They're very kind to me over that side of Tasmania,
obviously because we're born a bread and more bloody related,
so you know, so relaxing for me is just being
at home, but probably being at home with my dog
and my cat and family come up there and see me.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
But I actually don't mind going down the street and having.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
A cup of tea because I get all the gossip,
you know, and I can usually go I reckon, there's
something in that, and then I'm reading more people sent
get into this door.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I we studied Monday. This is going on.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's how you find your information at and I think
you know, when they can see the ships are down
a little bit, they're just walk pasting, So all right,
your fine keep gun. Most Tasmanis are very very kind.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Andrew Jenna, whereabouts in the world are you?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Richmond? Richmond a little English village and I can't get
four steps out of a house without someone waving, which
is amazing. I love it, you know. And just like
Jackie was saying, you know, I've get more news of
what updates on Tasmania and the estate of it just
by walking around and chatting to people in the village
than I do from anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Jackie Lamb and Andrew Jenner my guests on iHeart Tassi,
a conversation we had before the delivery of the state
government's budget. Here it in full as a podcast at Iheartassent,
My Heart Assi.
I Heart Dazzy.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hello there, I'm John Fabris. My guest this week is
Jackie Lamby, joined by her party's state MP Andrew Jenner.
A conversation we had recently before the delivery of the
state budget. We'll talk about a new AFL footy stadium
for Hobart, Tasmania's services such as health which always seems
to be in a state of extreme stress, the Liberals,
(00:25):
population growth Mantra, the Devenport Fairies, all this and more
coming up. I heart Dazzy, Jackie Lamby. We seem to
have a lot of discord in Tasmania at the moment.
I get the feeling, and I hate to say it,
that Tasmania is slipping. Do you feel that at the minute?
And certainly that's evidence by what Saul Leslake has put
(00:46):
together with the report.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I have to say that time I came in late
last night and I stay around this area in the
same hotel I have done for many, many years. It
broke my heart when I pulled in there to pick
up my kee at about eleven o'clock last night and
there was not one car car parked in that car park,
and that the motel of it. I stay in is
very well known for where the trade is st and
no cranes in the air mate. I just think if
(01:10):
you're looking around seeing what's going on, empty shops, people
doing it hard. We trying to keep up with supermarket prices,
trying to keep up with fuel prices at lot on
electricity prices. I think I think things aren't pretty out there,
and let alone the world events that are going.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
On, and that's Hobart, how about Bernie, how about Dvmport,
That must even be worse.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So I think when you see the rule and regional
areas going down, you'll see it, certainly before it hits Hobart.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
They'll be feeling it down here already.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
But you see it in the back of Bernie, you know,
you see what's going on on that northwest coast there.
You're also around there doing committees around the rest of
Australian usually I'm doing in the Rule and regional areas,
and you.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Just you can see it. That's that effect.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So they use those rule and regional areas or go
down first, and then they're always the last ones to recover.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
When you see the ABS come out with an unemployment
figure of four percent, that's Beloney is it on the
ground that can't be the case.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
No, no, because you've got to remember they don't break
those statistics down so politicians and never brutally honest with
you instead of saying, actually this many people are working
four hours a week. These many people working eight hours
a week. If you're working one hour week, you're working.
So they're very fudged those statistics.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
All. Be very careful what you're looking at.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
How are we going as a liberal minority government. Now.
I know it's hard to take off your political hat,
but I look at things like the health system dramas.
We hear constant reports of stress and crisis amongst workers.
Yet I speak to people who've had an interface with
the hospitals. Might be lon Sessteant, it might be Hoba,
(02:44):
it might be anywhere. Invariably they come back with glowing
reports about how well they were treated. So where's the
disconnect there? Are we getting a lot of media messages
about things being in a dire state of affairs when
in actual fact, a lot of people are getting good service.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I think what you'll see is those doctors and nurses
out there, because they're so professional, are still getting their
jobs done with a smile. On their faces, and I
think that's probably the disconnect. But you'll also see they're
all on burnout. They're doing double shifts, they're doing it hard,
and they're doing that because they're putting others before themselves.
And we'll always be very, very grateful. But when you
talk to them at their level on how stressful it is,
(03:23):
what it's doing to them, are the term while it's
causing their own families because they're not home causing doing
those double shifts and things like that, then you can
certainly see the disconnect through that. But without and I
get people coming into my office saying, great, I finally
got in there after three or four years.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
They're waiting.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
This aren't getting any any all. I hear about those nurses.
I just love our nurses. They're under the pressure. You
can see them under the pressure. They've still got a
smile on their faces. So God bless and bloody nurses.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So can governments actually fix that? Okay, there's all these vacancies,
but we can't get the staff. And this is happening
right around Australia and therefore just finger the government saying oh,
it's all your fault. That's not necessarily the right attitude either,
is it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I think we've seen a decline, a bigger decline over
the last ten years with our system here in Tasmania,
and I think it comes down to what you prioritize.
If you want nurses from elsewhere, then to entice them
down here. First of all, you're probably going to have
to make sure you're offering them housing so they can
move straight in, and you're probably going to have to
(04:25):
offer them at a higher pay. I think that's what
we need to be doing. So to me, it's like,
do we do this and do we offer them to
entice them to come from the mainland or overseas to
come down here and take some of that strain off
the nurses that are already here, for example, or do
we prioritize and say we need a big stadium with
the roof in our own backyard, so we're spending the
(04:45):
money on that. All it comes down to is when
you are government, is what are your priorities and what
are you prepared to pay?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Jackie Lambi, you've just hit at the AFL stadium. So
I think we're progressed enough now down the road that
the AFL couldn't back out of including us in the competition.
If we chose not to build that stadium.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I don't think I've come across one person's Tasmanium that
doesn't it doesn't want our own team. There is no
doubt about that. So for me, I think after Solo
Slave's report coming out, his economic report in the forecast
for the next ten years, is we have a perfect
stadium at York Park in laun system, okay, and we
can spend a lot less money on that and continue
to build that up. It's got plenty of room around
it to move basically a whole new suburb over there
(05:25):
at Invermay, which has been redone. The streets look great,
the new university is out there. I think it's fabulous,
and I think we need to look at an option
B instead of rowing about, oh hey, we need people
with roofs over their head, people waiting two, three, four
years on a list to get a hit replacement or whatever.
Let's have a look at this, because I think how
(05:46):
awful would the AFL look saying well, if we're not
going to get that, we're not getting our team. And
by the way, I remind every Tasmanian out there that
this is the first time the AFL has ever come
and we bent over backwards for them to come down
here and go, hey, this is what we want for
our Tasmanian team. Nobody else around Australia has been asked
to put a goddamn roof on their stadium. So I
(06:06):
think if the Liberal government had been honest in the
economic situation we've been in, we wouldn't be in the
situation that we're in today having this big dream that
we need this new stadium, all these jobs and blah
blah blah, when we actually don't have the money for it.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Once again, it comes down priorities and getting.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Back to that saw Less like report in very simplistic terms,
our income doesn't match our expenditure. Something's got to give there.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Something does have to give, but cutting frontline jobs is not.
It should not be given. Something's got to give you.
Like I said, it's all about priorities. We don't have
enough mental health out there for our kids. You know,
people don't have a roof over their head. They're struggling
to pay their electricity bills. So it's about priorities and
how about you put the people of Tasmania first instead
(06:48):
of a goddamn stadium with.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
A roof over it.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So up go taxes.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Well that's the only way I can see your way
through that.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
If you do not want frontline services cut, then the
next thing that has to come in is tax So
how are you going to pay for all of this? Well,
you put your big dreams away and you say, you
know what, We're going to have to be in a
better financial situation before we do that, like a stadium.
But what we can do is spend a lot less
money and still be just as great. Sitting there on
non system.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
We'll take a quick break back with Jackie Lamby and
one of her Lambie Network MPs, Andrew Jenner. My Heart Dazzy,
I Heartazzi. Jackie Lamby, you're known for your feistinness, your
strong opinions. Are you irritated that people who have hitched
their wagon to your brand and you personally have somehow
(07:36):
to fired your leadership and rulings on certain topics. It's
ended badly with three different people here in Tasmania A
Tammy Tyrrell, Mirroram Beswick and Rebecca Pentland.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
You know I did the right thing.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I gave ordinary Australians a chance to be in Parliament. Okay,
for whatever reason, they're not there with me any longer.
I can sit there and be peeved and I can
go over and over it, or I can do what
Tasmanians expect me to do, which is to get back
on my feet, does myself off and get on with it,
which is exactly what I'm doing. I just say to
those people out there, you know you will be up
(08:10):
for reelection. You need to do the job that you
promised Tasmanians. And therefore that is what they expect, and
so I have to suspect that they get the job done.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Jackie Lamby and Lamby Network MP Andrew Jenner is with us. Andrew,
you are striking a new deal to support the Liberal
minority government. It was just too one sided, the previous
deal too much in their favor. Is that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I think the actual agreement served its purpose because we've
got both the reports out of it. But I don't
think anybody will be surprised that I wasn't overly happy,
but I understand the reasons why it was put into place.
But now that they have been done, we've worked with
the government, I have no there's no reason for them
to be in there anymore some of those binding clauses
(08:56):
and German clauses. So and it gives me a freedom
that I can hold the government to account in far better, which,
after all, that's what I was voted in for, That's
what Jackie put us up for, to shine a bit
of light on him.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
If you have a difference of opinion with Jackie and
she says no, we need to do this as party leader,
are you going to abide by her ruler?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, I'm so lucky. But we both were, as all
of us as a team. Jackie wasn't like that she
gave us that freedom.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Look, I've been with other political parties before, and the
freedom we were given were almost like independence. But we
were under her banner. But we were still expected to
follow the same rules and principles that the JLM stood for.
And that's what I felt, and as I guess, that's
what we fell out with in the end. But no,
JACKI wouldn't put that on.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Me going forward. Jackie, is there a structural problem with
the Lamby network that independent minded people come to you
your party, but then that very independent nature leads to
things falling apart.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yeah, that would be part of it.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The other thing is where we are only a small
party or network, as you say, so, so we don't
have probably those people that we've needed on the other side,
whether that's people just cushioning others guiding them. You've got
to remember too, these guys are picked. We were not
expecting a state election for another few years. We move
very very quickly up here on that. I didn't know
(10:21):
some of those guys so very long at all. My
trust was with that they would just do the right thing.
And once again I'll never regret giving ordinary Tasmanians. It
shot up being into parliament. But unfortunately I just don't
have the money or the resources like Clive Palmer did.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
When we look at governments, just talking philosophically, and I'll
ask it of both of you. This Tasmanian government has
this ideology around population growth at all costs, like six
hundred and fifty thousand people by twenty fifty is the target.
I get a little worried by that. I mean, our services,
our homes don't exist now for our current population. It
(10:57):
just seems like an economic sugar hit. Governments do because
it sits well in statistics, but in terms of way
of life, here in Tasmania around Australia. Not great idea,
is it.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
But people here are coming here are declining. We're back
in the decline again. So people all have moved down
here during COVID whatever reason I'm now leaving. The last
thing I'm wrote about right now in Tasmania is population growth.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, we can't deliver services now, yeah them, So you
know why you're going to look at adding another hundred thousand.
It's just beyond me.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's just beyond everyone I talked to, and yet politically
it flies.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
It's like, we really need to look after the people
here that are here first and foremost and probably need
to get that down Pap before we think too much
to start going off about population growth.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Let's just talk quickly about the ferry situation. The infrastructure
at Devonport not ready for these two brand new, very
expensive ships. Michael Ferguson falls on his sword around all that.
Is that a political problem or has that been the
t T line fumbling ball?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I think you're going to find when all the truth
comes out, is well, I've always had a problem with ports,
with ports Tasmonia.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I can assure you that much.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I don't believe it, would they say to me over
the years, and that's why I haven't seen them for years,
because there's no point because I just don't believe anything
that's coming from them, which is very, very sad. So
I think it's about time to look at who's in
charge of tas Ports and I think you're going to
find that I probably need to have a bit of
a rejig at who's at the top of that. And
I think they've been there for way too long. So
(12:29):
that is my biggest problem there.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I think when it comes to Ferguson, he didn't fall
on he saw he was pushed. It wouldn't have been
for Jackie and the jail and it's still been sitch.
We still wouldn't hold him account and that's been the
problem for the last ten years. Nobody's holding him account.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And then there's a Treasure thing with his cross conflict.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Absolutely you're going to remember that the Treasure is a
member and holds the portfolio of both and he's still
got to vote actually on the ports. I mean, we
haven't got a government official now apart from him or
the same thing. We've just started to take him out.
But as treasurer. He still gets in there, so I
haven't really moved him.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Is it time, though, these parties or independents that are
supporting the government in minority, that they should be taking portfolios?
This idea of having six portfolios with one person is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, I think so. I absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And you know you look like and you look at
someone like David O'Byrne that he's been in politics for
so so long, he had infrastructure, he's been in the game,
like I said, for a long time, he'd be great.
You know, he's got credibility behind him, all that sort
of stuff. You should be looking at that as options
and anybody else that's done time up there and has
served their purpose and continually gets in whether they're part
(13:40):
of that party or not, maybe it's about time to
give them an opportunity. This is not about parties. This
is about Tasmania. That's right and what is best for
it And if you are the best person for it,
I don't care which team you're in, then you should
have that job. That is how business runs, and maybe
they start running like a business instead of the poor
political state that they run as Now.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I'll leave you with just a little glimpse into your
private lives. What's Bernie like for you these days, Jackie?
Do you do anything outside of politics and relax?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
They're very kind to me over that side of Tasmania,
obviously because we're born a bread and more bloody related,
so you know, so relaxing for me is just being
at home, but probably being at home with my dog
and my cat and family come up there and see me.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
But I actually don't mind going down the street and having.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
A cup of tea because I get all the gossip,
you know, and I can usually go I reckon, there's
something in that, and then I'm reading more people sent
get into this door.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I we studied Monday. This is going on.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's how you find your information at and I think
you know, when they can see the ships are down
a little bit, they're just walk pasting, So all right,
your fine keep gun. Most Tasmanis are very very kind.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Andrew Jenna, whereabouts in the world are you?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Richmond? Richmond a little English village and I can't get
four steps out of a house without someone waving, which
is amazing. I love it, you know. And just like
Jackie was saying, you know, I've get more news of
what updates on Tasmania and the estate of it just
by walking around and chatting to people in the village
than I do from anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Jackie Lamb and Andrew Jenner my guests on iHeart Tassi,
a conversation we had before the delivery of the state
government's budget. Here it in full as a podcast at Iheartassent,
My Heart Assi.
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com