October 24, 2024 • 13 mins
This week on iHeart Tassie, John Fabris talks to Rosevears MLC Jo Palmer about her decision to quit news and enter the cut-throat world of Tasmanian politics.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
My Heart duz He. I'm John Fairbrous.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome to another edition of iHeart Tassi, this week looking
at the transition of media identities into politics. My guests
a government minister Joe Palmer, a household name in Tasmania,
former Miss Tasmania and Miss Australia in nineteen ninety three
with her stint on TV as the presenter of the
evening News, making Joe perhaps the most recognizable face in Tasmania.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I heart uzz He Joe Palmer such a successful career
on television.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Everyone knows you. You how many years on any? Twenty
years plus? Was?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I think twenty four years? Is it Southern Cross that
then became Channel seven? So a long time on last
a quarter of a.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Century, and people of the bly wonder why why switch
away from something where you're sober weld into an area
that is particularly known for being full of cut and
thrust new Has it changed?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Delosh? Over the two decad that I was in the
news team, I felt like my time was coming to
an end and I didn't want to end this amazing
career on television and in journalism with someone tapping me
on the shoulder. I wanted to I guess go out
on my own turn. So I probably spent a year
starting to think what does life after newsreading look like?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
For me?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
And I was in my late forties. I've always had
a love of politics. Obviously, it's a journal covering it
every day and reading about it every night. An opportunity
arose with a sitting member in Rosevie, which is my
electricityan long assistant and right up the west Tamer was
retiring after eighteen years, and I thought, I think I
can do that. But it was a scary decision because
(01:44):
I think once you show your political colors, I knew
I couldn't go back. It was putting everything on the line.
I just took a deep breath and put my hand up.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And how have you found the hours and having to
be switched on pretty much all the time?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Is that new to you and something that made it
difficult to begin with?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Look, it's been a really steep learning curve being the
local member for rose Is. I just loved it. It
felt like such a natural fit for me, just working
in the community, working with sole businesses, organizations, individual schools,
whatever it might be. And I just loved that. It
was quite different when the Premier asked me to become
a minister. That was a big change for me, big
(02:25):
change for my family. We had to look at that
pretty seriously. As my dad has always said to me,
if someone presents you with an opportunity, just grab it.
Whether you fail or succeed doesn't matter, but you'll definitely
fail if you don't have a go.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I accepted the Premier's invitation to become a minister, and
I never worked so hard in my entire life.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
One of them being a cremo portfilio education.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I mean, everyone just takes that.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So terribly seriously, naturally because of what's at stake.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
How do you suddenly become an expert in edge?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That must have been just a real process of mining down,
getting the information from the experts around you, and getting
across every little inch of that portfolio.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, it is a massive portfolio. But my mantra has
been four decades now that I believe there's extraordinary power
that comes with education. I have seen education and poverty
in third world countries for generations. I was quite connected
with a beautiful school in Tanzania, the School of Saint Duid,
which was all about taking the poorest of the poorest
(03:35):
children giving them an education and you would actually end
poverty for four or five generations if just one person
could be educated and go through university. So with my
work with Rotrie with other organizations, educations always been passion
for me, not necessarily in Tasmania, but more looking at
the power of it around the world. So I guess
(03:55):
to be able to take that passion and go, okay,
now I'm really focus on our kids here in Tasmania
has been pretty exciting. Also a mum four kids have
been doing school lunches for a really long time, teacher interviews,
so it's been amazing. And you know, I always wanted
my own kids. It was really important to my husband
(04:17):
and I that we invest in our kids and in
their education and giving them lots of opportunities. And now
what an incredible blessing to have the opportunity to focus
on all of our kids running around Tasmania. It's a
pretty big honor.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Film a TV newsreader now minister in Tasmania's government.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Joe Palmer, Joe Queensland's premier, in his bid for reelection,
committed one point four billion dollars for free school lunches
that'll save each power around sixteen hundred dollars per year,
but most importantly ensuring OLM kids are fair and able
to concentrate.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty hard to say to a
kid go and sit on the mat and learn to
read and write when you hadn't had breakfast or you've
got a hungry tummy. So we have breakfast in a
number of schools right across Tasmania, and in fact, one
of the great joys of my job is that I
sponsor a breakfast club for some of our primary school
in one of the Monsston suburbs. So I go and
(05:12):
dish out the fruit and the toasts and crusts on.
I don't like butter, I don't you haven't put enough
jam on, which is a great thing I love to do.
But we also have our lunch program that we have
here in Tasmania. So we did a pilot of thirty schools.
We've worked with School Food Matters and we are providing
lunches in thirty schools across Tasmania and we've just doubled
(05:32):
that at the last election we made a committment to
double those number of schools, so we've got another fifteen
schools that we are rolling hot lunches and nutritious lunches
out to and we'll do another fifteen in twenty twenty five.
And I think the nutrition part is really important there.
We want to feed kids, but we also want to
be feeding them the right food, and we also want
(05:53):
them to know about where their food can has come from.
So we're using produce from a lot of our local producers.
Broccoli that's grown here, it's potatoes that's grown here, it's
nga that's been made here from our dairy cows. So
it's not just feeding them, it's also teaching them about
nutrition and teaching about where the food comes from. And
how proud they should be as little Tasmanians that the
(06:17):
food they're eating has been grown and produced by Tasmanians
for them. I think that's a lovely circle. And for
our kids to know that our farmers are in their
corner and are producing this book that we want them
to eat.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Joe Palmer Shifting Gears just a riddle your daughter, really
and Dancing with the Stars. It must be incredibly proud,
but also sobs. It's such a fickle beast. Have you
had that conversation with Lily through the years when she
was younger. She needs to back up or do you
just say no? You do whatever you want and you
pursue that and we're just happy for it.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, mil is my only daughter, three sons, one daughter.
I'm so incredibly proud of her work. Ethic is like
nothing I have ever seen. That woman is just a powerhouse.
And it's been wonderful for me as someone who's had
a career in television for two decades now seeing her
in the television industry as well, how strong she is
(07:14):
and how she can stand up for herself. Very very
proud of her. She's also halfway through a science degree
as well at UNI, and she's got a great brain.
But right now is the time where her body's in
top shape. She's young, she doesn't have a mortgage, husband, kids,
This is the time for her to take on the world.
And we're backing her one hundred percent in that decision.
(07:35):
But yeah, halfway through a UNI degree. She's deferred a
couple of times, but she's hanging in there with it.
And when she decides that she wants to change. You know,
that's what family does, isn't it. You Just you're back
your kids in end whatever Dreams A quick break.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
On I Hear Tassie Them back with more of former
TV newsreader now government minister Joe Palmer.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
My Heart's Assi, I Heartazzi.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I guest on I Heart Tazzy This week Joe Palmer,
longtime TV news identity, now seenior minister in the Liberal
minority government.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
So how does family time work for you now?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Because I remember when you left TV you'd tightened a
desire for more time with family.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Have you got more time all this now that you're
in politics.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Well it's interesting because as a newsreader, I hardly ever
got to have dinner with my kids, any of my
kids Lay eldest is twenty seven now. I always worked
late afternoon into the evening, and one of the things
I was so desperate for when I left the news
was to actually be able to sit down and have
meals with my children. I discovered they had really bad
(08:46):
table manners, and I think it came we're insteading at
the kitchen, you know, eating away. So life changed. But
then when Mum started being home, it got a little
bit tighter around those table manners. But yeah, look, I'm
in hober half the year and that's hard. But when
I am home.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
You know, I'm home for dinner. We cook together. I'm
we a cooked with my older two children and with
my younger two. So now we're cooking together. We're enjoying sitting.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And the conversations that you have when you share a
meal with each other. I'm making sure they eat their vegetables,
all that normal stuff that parents do. But yeah, I
am away from home and I miss them. But how
amazing I can I FaceTime them. I'll be eating my
dinner at my desk, working away in Hobart, and I'm
facetiming our fee. He's telling me about fullty training and
(09:36):
helping with homework. So technology plays a big part in
keeping is connected. When I'm home and I'm with them,
I am one hundred percent in their space. It's no phones,
no emails. My favorite thing to do is just a
bunker down with the kids and with Andrew and the dogs,
which are just just demanding, and you just become really
(09:58):
protective of the time that you have and it becomes
completely quality time.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Does it change when you've moved out of media where
you're generally loved by all, to now become a minister.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Do you ever have those public moments where someone's going
to give you a bit of a hard time.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I see it happen a lot to my colleagues, and
my heart breaks for them, and it also breaks for
their families because wives, husbands, and kids, your parents, they
go on that journey when the public chooses to attack.
I've been really fortunate. I haven't really found myself in
that position. But you know what, with every decision I make,
(10:38):
as with all of us in life, some people agree
with you and some people won't. So you just make
the very best decision that you can. You put the
work in, you do the research, you ask the questions,
you consult with people, and then you come out with
the decision that you know and you feel comfortable and
can hold your head high with. But you can't please
everybody all the time. And we've got to be a
(10:58):
little bit resilient. When I say this to my own kids,
you know, not everyone's going to agree with what you
want to do or the decisions that you make. So
that's okay. You've got to be comfortable with the decisions
you make and comfortable with the person you are, and
then just have a little bit of resilience. Someone has
a crack at it. That's right. They're entitled to do
that as long as it's done respectfully.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Do you ever see media as being a little bit
mean spirited?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
They always want to get the negative angle, They want
to get the bad shot, so they can put Joe
not looking at her best in the newspapers for exact.
Do you sort of think media, why are you so
down all the time looking for the negative.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Story when you like it or not.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Generally, good news doesn't sell. I mean, good news does
it rate. And I hate that about our society, but
that's the reality. We buy the glossy magazines because someone's
marriage is broken up, and we watch the beginning of
the news because there's one big catastrophe on there. I
can remember getting criticism when we were putting stories to
on Channel seven that we were blurring out the bodies
(12:03):
of people right, and people were actually bringing in say
why are you doing that? Just show us the reality.
And it's like at six o'clock in the evening having
dinner with our families, why would you want that? If
people want to see something different, then they have to. Actually,
they have the power. They had the power to say,
give us the good news stories, inspire us because in
(12:24):
commercial television it's about the ratings. That's the cold hard
facts of it. And if everyone tunes in for the
bad news and ignores the good news, then that's what
media has to do. It's a business. But at the
end of the day, we had some amazing journalists in Tasmania.
I think they always strive, the majority of them, always
strive to push that balance forward. I did my training
(12:47):
here in Hobart under an amazing journalist called Mara Angele,
and she said to me right back when I was
in my early twenties, your job is not to tell
people how to think. Your job as a journalist is
to present the facts, then step back and allow people
to make their own decision. That has always been my
mantra when I was a journal My opinion is irrelevant.
(13:07):
Journalism is not about your opinion. It is about presenting
the facts and allowing others to form.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Their own opinion.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Joe Palmer TV newsreader turned politician and minister in Tasmania's
government a's iHeart Tazzy This week Here the show in
full as a podcast
Speaker 3 (13:23):
As I Heart Tazzy, My Heart Sazzy
My Heart duz He. I'm John Fairbrous.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome to another edition of iHeart Tassi, this week looking
at the transition of media identities into politics. My guests
a government minister Joe Palmer, a household name in Tasmania,
former Miss Tasmania and Miss Australia in nineteen ninety three
with her stint on TV as the presenter of the
evening News, making Joe perhaps the most recognizable face in Tasmania.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I heart uzz He Joe Palmer such a successful career
on television.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Everyone knows you. You how many years on any? Twenty
years plus? Was?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I think twenty four years? Is it Southern Cross that
then became Channel seven? So a long time on last
a quarter of a.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Century, and people of the bly wonder why why switch
away from something where you're sober weld into an area
that is particularly known for being full of cut and
thrust new Has it changed?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Delosh? Over the two decad that I was in the
news team, I felt like my time was coming to
an end and I didn't want to end this amazing
career on television and in journalism with someone tapping me
on the shoulder. I wanted to I guess go out
on my own turn. So I probably spent a year
starting to think what does life after newsreading look like?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
For me?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
And I was in my late forties. I've always had
a love of politics. Obviously, it's a journal covering it
every day and reading about it every night. An opportunity
arose with a sitting member in Rosevie, which is my
electricityan long assistant and right up the west Tamer was
retiring after eighteen years, and I thought, I think I
can do that. But it was a scary decision because
(01:44):
I think once you show your political colors, I knew
I couldn't go back. It was putting everything on the line.
I just took a deep breath and put my hand up.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And how have you found the hours and having to
be switched on pretty much all the time?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Is that new to you and something that made it
difficult to begin with?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Look, it's been a really steep learning curve being the
local member for rose Is. I just loved it. It
felt like such a natural fit for me, just working
in the community, working with sole businesses, organizations, individual schools,
whatever it might be. And I just loved that. It
was quite different when the Premier asked me to become
a minister. That was a big change for me, big
(02:25):
change for my family. We had to look at that
pretty seriously. As my dad has always said to me,
if someone presents you with an opportunity, just grab it.
Whether you fail or succeed doesn't matter, but you'll definitely
fail if you don't have a go.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I accepted the Premier's invitation to become a minister, and
I never worked so hard in my entire life.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
One of them being a cremo portfilio education.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I mean, everyone just takes that.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So terribly seriously, naturally because of what's at stake.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
How do you suddenly become an expert in edge?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That must have been just a real process of mining down,
getting the information from the experts around you, and getting
across every little inch of that portfolio.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, it is a massive portfolio. But my mantra has
been four decades now that I believe there's extraordinary power
that comes with education. I have seen education and poverty
in third world countries for generations. I was quite connected
with a beautiful school in Tanzania, the School of Saint Duid,
which was all about taking the poorest of the poorest
(03:35):
children giving them an education and you would actually end
poverty for four or five generations if just one person
could be educated and go through university. So with my
work with Rotrie with other organizations, educations always been passion
for me, not necessarily in Tasmania, but more looking at
the power of it around the world. So I guess
(03:55):
to be able to take that passion and go, okay,
now I'm really focus on our kids here in Tasmania
has been pretty exciting. Also a mum four kids have
been doing school lunches for a really long time, teacher interviews,
so it's been amazing. And you know, I always wanted
my own kids. It was really important to my husband
(04:17):
and I that we invest in our kids and in
their education and giving them lots of opportunities. And now
what an incredible blessing to have the opportunity to focus
on all of our kids running around Tasmania. It's a
pretty big honor.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Film a TV newsreader now minister in Tasmania's government.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Joe Palmer, Joe Queensland's premier, in his bid for reelection,
committed one point four billion dollars for free school lunches
that'll save each power around sixteen hundred dollars per year,
but most importantly ensuring OLM kids are fair and able
to concentrate.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty hard to say to a
kid go and sit on the mat and learn to
read and write when you hadn't had breakfast or you've
got a hungry tummy. So we have breakfast in a
number of schools right across Tasmania, and in fact, one
of the great joys of my job is that I
sponsor a breakfast club for some of our primary school
in one of the Monsston suburbs. So I go and
(05:12):
dish out the fruit and the toasts and crusts on.
I don't like butter, I don't you haven't put enough
jam on, which is a great thing I love to do.
But we also have our lunch program that we have
here in Tasmania. So we did a pilot of thirty schools.
We've worked with School Food Matters and we are providing
lunches in thirty schools across Tasmania and we've just doubled
(05:32):
that at the last election we made a committment to
double those number of schools, so we've got another fifteen
schools that we are rolling hot lunches and nutritious lunches
out to and we'll do another fifteen in twenty twenty five.
And I think the nutrition part is really important there.
We want to feed kids, but we also want to
be feeding them the right food, and we also want
(05:53):
them to know about where their food can has come from.
So we're using produce from a lot of our local producers.
Broccoli that's grown here, it's potatoes that's grown here, it's
nga that's been made here from our dairy cows. So
it's not just feeding them, it's also teaching them about
nutrition and teaching about where the food comes from. And
how proud they should be as little Tasmanians that the
(06:17):
food they're eating has been grown and produced by Tasmanians
for them. I think that's a lovely circle. And for
our kids to know that our farmers are in their
corner and are producing this book that we want them
to eat.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Joe Palmer Shifting Gears just a riddle your daughter, really
and Dancing with the Stars. It must be incredibly proud,
but also sobs. It's such a fickle beast. Have you
had that conversation with Lily through the years when she
was younger. She needs to back up or do you
just say no? You do whatever you want and you
pursue that and we're just happy for it.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, mil is my only daughter, three sons, one daughter.
I'm so incredibly proud of her work. Ethic is like
nothing I have ever seen. That woman is just a powerhouse.
And it's been wonderful for me as someone who's had
a career in television for two decades now seeing her
in the television industry as well, how strong she is
(07:14):
and how she can stand up for herself. Very very
proud of her. She's also halfway through a science degree
as well at UNI, and she's got a great brain.
But right now is the time where her body's in
top shape. She's young, she doesn't have a mortgage, husband, kids,
This is the time for her to take on the world.
And we're backing her one hundred percent in that decision.
(07:35):
But yeah, halfway through a UNI degree. She's deferred a
couple of times, but she's hanging in there with it.
And when she decides that she wants to change. You know,
that's what family does, isn't it. You Just you're back
your kids in end whatever Dreams A quick break.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
On I Hear Tassie Them back with more of former
TV newsreader now government minister Joe Palmer.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
My Heart's Assi, I Heartazzi.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I guest on I Heart Tazzy This week Joe Palmer,
longtime TV news identity, now seenior minister in the Liberal
minority government.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
So how does family time work for you now?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Because I remember when you left TV you'd tightened a
desire for more time with family.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Have you got more time all this now that you're
in politics.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Well it's interesting because as a newsreader, I hardly ever
got to have dinner with my kids, any of my
kids Lay eldest is twenty seven now. I always worked
late afternoon into the evening, and one of the things
I was so desperate for when I left the news
was to actually be able to sit down and have
meals with my children. I discovered they had really bad
(08:46):
table manners, and I think it came we're insteading at
the kitchen, you know, eating away. So life changed. But
then when Mum started being home, it got a little
bit tighter around those table manners. But yeah, look, I'm
in hober half the year and that's hard. But when
I am home.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
You know, I'm home for dinner. We cook together. I'm
we a cooked with my older two children and with
my younger two. So now we're cooking together. We're enjoying sitting.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And the conversations that you have when you share a
meal with each other. I'm making sure they eat their vegetables,
all that normal stuff that parents do. But yeah, I
am away from home and I miss them. But how
amazing I can I FaceTime them. I'll be eating my
dinner at my desk, working away in Hobart, and I'm
facetiming our fee. He's telling me about fullty training and
(09:36):
helping with homework. So technology plays a big part in
keeping is connected. When I'm home and I'm with them,
I am one hundred percent in their space. It's no phones,
no emails. My favorite thing to do is just a
bunker down with the kids and with Andrew and the dogs,
which are just just demanding, and you just become really
(09:58):
protective of the time that you have and it becomes
completely quality time.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Does it change when you've moved out of media where
you're generally loved by all, to now become a minister.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Do you ever have those public moments where someone's going
to give you a bit of a hard time.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I see it happen a lot to my colleagues, and
my heart breaks for them, and it also breaks for
their families because wives, husbands, and kids, your parents, they
go on that journey when the public chooses to attack.
I've been really fortunate. I haven't really found myself in
that position. But you know what, with every decision I make,
(10:38):
as with all of us in life, some people agree
with you and some people won't. So you just make
the very best decision that you can. You put the
work in, you do the research, you ask the questions,
you consult with people, and then you come out with
the decision that you know and you feel comfortable and
can hold your head high with. But you can't please
everybody all the time. And we've got to be a
(10:58):
little bit resilient. When I say this to my own kids,
you know, not everyone's going to agree with what you
want to do or the decisions that you make. So
that's okay. You've got to be comfortable with the decisions
you make and comfortable with the person you are, and
then just have a little bit of resilience. Someone has
a crack at it. That's right. They're entitled to do
that as long as it's done respectfully.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Do you ever see media as being a little bit
mean spirited?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
They always want to get the negative angle, They want
to get the bad shot, so they can put Joe
not looking at her best in the newspapers for exact.
Do you sort of think media, why are you so
down all the time looking for the negative.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Story when you like it or not.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Generally, good news doesn't sell. I mean, good news does
it rate. And I hate that about our society, but
that's the reality. We buy the glossy magazines because someone's
marriage is broken up, and we watch the beginning of
the news because there's one big catastrophe on there. I
can remember getting criticism when we were putting stories to
on Channel seven that we were blurring out the bodies
(12:03):
of people right, and people were actually bringing in say
why are you doing that? Just show us the reality.
And it's like at six o'clock in the evening having
dinner with our families, why would you want that? If
people want to see something different, then they have to. Actually,
they have the power. They had the power to say,
give us the good news stories, inspire us because in
(12:24):
commercial television it's about the ratings. That's the cold hard
facts of it. And if everyone tunes in for the
bad news and ignores the good news, then that's what
media has to do. It's a business. But at the
end of the day, we had some amazing journalists in Tasmania.
I think they always strive, the majority of them, always
strive to push that balance forward. I did my training
(12:47):
here in Hobart under an amazing journalist called Mara Angele,
and she said to me right back when I was
in my early twenties, your job is not to tell
people how to think. Your job as a journalist is
to present the facts, then step back and allow people
to make their own decision. That has always been my
mantra when I was a journal My opinion is irrelevant.
(13:07):
Journalism is not about your opinion. It is about presenting
the facts and allowing others to form.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Their own opinion.
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