November 27, 2024 • 15 mins
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The next step to removing fluoride from Gympie's water.
Calls to clear elective surgery wait lists.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I have white.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to Iheartwhite Bay Boners your local news fix. I'm
Taylor Larson. Issues surrounding the palm visa scheme have been
raised again in a new report which has compared it
to modern slavery. Under the Pacific Australia Labor Mobility Scheme,
Aussie businesses can hire workers from nine Pacific islands and
team or less day when they can't find local labor.
(00:24):
The system is widely used in the ag industry and
can employ people for a couple of months up to
four years. I spoke with Joshua Strutt this week, CEO
of the Immigration Advice and Rights Center, which put together
this latest report.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We've found quite harrowing treatment of palm workers who are
brought over here to work in Australian farms. So IAK
has been working with these workers for many years now,
and that includes covering into regional areas and meeting palm
workers face to face. We've seen some shocking treatments. People
barely able to afford to feed themselves, people sleeping wrath,
(01:00):
also being significantly injured in their workplace, including going blind.
One of our clients who went blind in one of
his eyes and then forced to go back to work
and carry much heavier objects than he should have been
carrying under doctor recommendations. So we think in quite horrific
treatment of people who have bought here.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
To work in our farm.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
How does a worker's lack of knowledge around both our
legal system and their rights lead to further exploitation.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I think people come over here and rightly so, think
they will be treated fairly, think they will be paid
appropriately because they've heard very positive things about Australia and
Australian work conditions as they should be. And then I
think there's just a lot of misinformation and lack of
knowledge about sort of what the scheme means and what
people can and can't do. I know there are substantial
(01:44):
productions taken from people's pays, and I don't know whether
people know about that upfront before coming here. I also
think people don't understand sort of the power and balance
that exists within the visa system and in particular the
Palm visa itself, And the reason for that is that
people are really sort of stuck with one employer and
it makes it really difficult for them to leave a
workplace without jeopardizing their legal status.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
How common is it for workers to stay silent or
stay where they are because they're afraid of you know,
pay cuts or even deportation.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
We talk to people in that situation every week. It's
really really troubling. It is a scheme in trouble. It
is something that no person should endure in Australia, irrespective
of where they come from or who they are. Yeah,
it is something that we see much too often.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
What has the federal government done to try to address
some of these issues.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I know that they've adressed tried to address some of
these issues through a certain workplace I guess conditions or
payment issues that were raised previously. I'm not an employment lawyer,
so I can only speak to the immigration side of things.
I know that they have moved in terms of where
how to find an employer or a new sponsor to
(02:57):
dure instead of defats. But I think there are some
other changes that were implemented only recently. There's a pilot
up and running of something called Workplace TRUSTICE VISA that
allows people to stay in Australia to bring a claim
against their employer. There's also cancelation protections, so protections against
visa cancelations that have also been implemented, But the unfortunate
(03:18):
practical reality of those really important reforms is where finding
they actually don't apply to palm workers. So a lot
of people can't rely on the cancelation protection because of
the way the law is written, and a lot of
people can't apply for a workplace justice visa because they're
just not eligible for that visa. So I think some
of the protections that have been implemented, which are really good,
are actually failing some of the most disadvantage and vulnerable
(03:39):
members of our community.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
What outcomes would you like to see from this report
and presenting it to the UN especially.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'd like to see some pretty strong recommendations around what
is needed to reform the Palm scheme. So I think
what really needs to happen is this decoupling of the
employer and employee relationship. By that, I mean you really
need to ensure that people can choose who they want
to work for, and if they are working in a
place where they are treated poorly, they have the freedom
(04:07):
to move. So we need to make it easier for
people to leave their employer or to move employers so
that they're able to stand up for themselves, speak out
about a horrific treatment and also possibly not get into
that situation in the first place because they have the
right to choose who they work for. So I think
that would be a really big recommendation would like to
see made.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And I understand there were some pretty alarming finds here
in the Bunderberg region. In particular, we've.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Had colleagues go up to Bunderworg, I think it was
last year and witness some really horrific treatment of harm
workers in Queensland in Bunderberg and in reality we saw
people a sort of sleeping rough on park benches, and
we also saw people lining up at soup kitchens just
because they didn't have enough money or access to resources
to even feed themselves or home themselves properly. It's absolutely horrifying.
(04:54):
I think people come here to work and to be
afforded the same rights as everyone else, and I think
it just becomes clear that the visa system doesn't allow
people to enforce their rights and also sort of puts
them in an extremely disadvantage situation. These people coming here,
they work in our farms, they pick our fruits and vegetables.
(05:14):
You know, They're an important part of saying the Istralian economy,
but also the Istralian culture.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's been two months since Gimpei Regional Council's controversial decision
to stop water fluoridation, which was against staff recommendations. Six
hundred and fifty people signed a petition to stop the program,
some of those signatures coming from outside the area. Here's
Meg Glenn Hartwick with an update.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
At the time, you know, we were looking to I
was looking as the chair to try and find a
way that we could actually deal with this and not
kick thisin down their road. And whilst their standing orders
can be quite strict, I'm open too in interested democracy
and moving things forward, be flexible within the standing orders
and have an alternate motion that is completely contrary to
(06:01):
what staff has suggested understanding orders that that's not supposed
to happen as a sort of a normal business item.
But I'm more than comfortable to have that because we
need to get things done to move it on. But
there was a councilor foreshadowed emotion to rescind, which would
mean that, you know, even if we had a motion
(06:22):
that was successful to remove or stop fluoridation, it would
come back to council the following month. And it would
just be the soccer ball that was booted around.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Council is now deciding how to best deliver community consultation.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Counselors will continue to discuss what is the best way
to do that, who should be engaged and how should
they be engaged so that we get the results we
need so that if we have, you know, we can
get a definitive outcome that should be settled hopefully by
the end of this month. So I would think, you know,
we're not going to go out to community consultation during
the Christmas period, labor people with more stuff and at
(06:56):
one of the busiest times of the year. I would think,
you know, early in the year, you be engageing with
the community that better understand their desires around fluoride. And
then yeah, with the report being presented to council not long.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
After, dentists have pushed for fluoride to remain, saying it's
safe and crucial to preventing tooth decay. Mere Hartwig says
it has people in the community torn as well.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
There's a lot of evidence that says that fluoride's good,
and some people believe that, and there's a lot of
evidence that says it's not good and some people believe that.
For me, I'm not interested in having that argument, you know,
And I'm not interested in people saying you should listen
to the experts, because both sides have their own experts
and often in a people holding a cigarette, other people
(07:40):
saying we should listen to the experts. And that's an
interesting stance take when you're a cigarette maker, you know,
those people that want more fluid in your diet, knock
your socks off, put toothpaste on your paste each morning.
And for those that don't want it, I don't feel
it should be forced on them. But at the end
of the day, it comes down to what does the
community want.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And the communit unities feedback should be revealed from mid
to late next year following that consultation period mentioned earlier.
After the break, the region's elective surgery weightlist grows.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I heard White bernd.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I Herb White.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You're listening to iHeart White Bay Burnette. I'm Taylor Larson.
The pressures on for the new state government to address
growing surgical weightlists around the state. The Australian Medical Association's
Queensland branch has highlighted the wide Bay as an area
of concern. Our reporter Jimoss has more.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
The association's surgical weightlist rounds Table action plan was released
weeks before October's state election. President Doctor Nikiyam says it's
a ready to go roadmap for the Chrysofoley government.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
I think it's something where as many priority areas, but
some key area that we have focused on is obviously gynecology,
ophthalmology and orthopedic. The kissing here is that all these surgeries,
whilst they are elective surgeries, necessary plan surgeries for very serious.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Conditions patients in Gingin and Childers, so they're waiting extended
periods to get the surgeries they need. Of the ten
hospitals in the region, the procedures can only be delivered
in Harvey Bay, Merboro or Bunderberg. But the AMA claims
none of these hospitals have the resources or staff to
offer a full range of surgical services.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
We know that health workforce is one of the greatest
challenges that not just our state is facing. It's also
a global issue and in regional Queensland there are additional
pressures that we do face. And in surgery it's not
just a surgeon that's required it requires a big team
and that includes a surgeon, demethotus, nurses, the wards stuff.
(09:42):
So these are the challenges that we are facing in
particular and regional in rural Queensland.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
In the last reported quarter, one eight hundred people were
on the elective surgery wait list in the Wide Bay
Nearly fifteen percent of patients who were waiting for gynecological
surgery were not treated within the clinically recommended time frame.
Dr Yim says delays can lead to serious consequences.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Delays and surgeries, delays and seeing and outpatient appointment. Unfortunately,
patients do result with horror health outcomes. Obviously, people waiting
for their knee surgery will need to potentially take stronger
pain relief and that can lead to dependence. At the
same time, we know that chronic pain can lead to
I guess mental health challenges down the road, which is
(10:24):
the reason why we need to ensure we have these
strateges in place to ensure that complications do not arise.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
AMA Queensland's pushing for greater training incentives to get the staff.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Here what AMA queens And would like to see from
the current government. I guess there's current engagement I guess,
develop strategies and consultations and definitely listen to the experts
and the evidence for formulating this plan moving forward, because
it takes a whole state to approach this, and obviously
we do need different strategies moving forward. Obviously we can't
put a Brisbane based system in a regional rural town
(10:57):
that may not have the same I guess facilities. So
obviously each region, each hospital may require a different strategy,
but we are looking at potentially I may collaborate teams
approach I guess, investing into original health workforce and I
guess talking to those communities of seeing what services that
they do require.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
A groundbreaking program is engaging at risk kids in Gimpi
through the traditional craft of blacksmithing. The Waterhead program is
funded by Youth Justice and around ten kids are in
the current course. Two time world champion creative blacksmith Dan
Davey runs the workshops.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
These kids obviously have fallen through the cracks, so they're disconnecting,
especially at school, and I think they just feel like
they're not succeeding in anything. The fact that the two
of the biggest skills have put the time and to
bring these kids out and have seen that the program
could be beneficial before he even kicked it off. It's
(11:54):
been awesome. And the fact that they send a teacher
one of the skills, sends a teacher in the bus
and comes out to run a small group of kids
with one teacher for that amount of time in a
big skill where obviously they don't They wouldn't have fast
amount of teachers that could just nip off and do
this thing. So the fact that they put so much
(12:15):
effort into bringing a small group of kids for this
show is how they really do look out for the kids.
You know, they're trying to get them engaged in something,
which is great.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The kids learn how to work with a coal fired forge.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
You've got to learn how to run the fire, like
the fight, control the fire, keep the fight clean. I've
taught them to seven basic elements of blacksmithing, and we've
touched on every one of those elements in the things
that they're making, so that if they have a look
back on this, they can say, I know how I
could crank it forward up and go and do this
because the foundation that I've given them, even though it's
(12:50):
a short amount of time, covers all the aspects, and
they've taken it so well that they're just the work
that they're turning out is even away. They're just gone
so great and they're so keen. They just get in
and they I just push them into the job and
off they go, and they just there's no slack in them.
They just want to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It's been great dan abcs. The program helps foster creativity, discipline,
and personal growth.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
When these kids fairs coming in, they were all quite timid.
They're all some of them a little bit resentful, you know,
just in life in general, I think. And they had
no skill at all, and they had older hammer let
alone user hammer. And now now they're running their own fives.
I can say to them, don't burn that bit of steel.
I'm off doing helping someone else. Just keep it ready
(13:33):
for me. And they are just running these files like
they've been working them for years. It's quite amazing how
quickly they've taken to it.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Says. It also builds their confidence so.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
They can see that they're doing something, making stuff out
of their skill. The whole school, you know, these skills
thousand pupils each, but they're the best that they can
go back to skill and say look at this, this
is what I can do. I think that's just they're
what they can achieve. It's really made them quite proud
what they're doing and quite proud of themselves, and quite
their confidence is just gaining or every day they come here.
(14:07):
It's just they just kids just opening up. They're good fun,
they're good kids. I haven't had a bad kid. They're
just all great. But just you know, they could possibly
turn bad, as everyone could have in the wrong situation.
But hear while they're doing this, they're just great. They're
just just normal kids having a crack.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And Jan recently received a letter from one of the
boys in the course.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
He says, good morning. You've been teaching my follen year
old son for this term every Tuesday morning to say,
I have seen a massive change in him as an
understatement his confidence, work ethic adaptation of skills into his
daily routurne of groundomatically. This also opened him up to
new conversations and opportunities. Programs broad in his perceptional abilities
for future prospects, and his respect for Dan me and
(14:50):
his knowledge is showing through at home. I truly hope
that this program will continue to be available for students
in the new year and many more to come. My
son will definitely be attending as much as you him
to do as is in his words, is the best
program I've ever done, and I'm proud of myself, he said.
Hearing him tell me he is proud of himself was
(15:10):
one of the best conversations a father can have. Cheers, Dad.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well, that's it for this week. To listen back or
find previous episodes, search iHeart White Baby Bernette on the
iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I Have White Babette
I have white.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to Iheartwhite Bay Boners your local news fix. I'm
Taylor Larson. Issues surrounding the palm visa scheme have been
raised again in a new report which has compared it
to modern slavery. Under the Pacific Australia Labor Mobility Scheme,
Aussie businesses can hire workers from nine Pacific islands and
team or less day when they can't find local labor.
(00:24):
The system is widely used in the ag industry and
can employ people for a couple of months up to
four years. I spoke with Joshua Strutt this week, CEO
of the Immigration Advice and Rights Center, which put together
this latest report.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We've found quite harrowing treatment of palm workers who are
brought over here to work in Australian farms. So IAK
has been working with these workers for many years now,
and that includes covering into regional areas and meeting palm
workers face to face. We've seen some shocking treatments. People
barely able to afford to feed themselves, people sleeping wrath,
(01:00):
also being significantly injured in their workplace, including going blind.
One of our clients who went blind in one of
his eyes and then forced to go back to work
and carry much heavier objects than he should have been
carrying under doctor recommendations. So we think in quite horrific
treatment of people who have bought here.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
To work in our farm.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
How does a worker's lack of knowledge around both our
legal system and their rights lead to further exploitation.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I think people come over here and rightly so, think
they will be treated fairly, think they will be paid
appropriately because they've heard very positive things about Australia and
Australian work conditions as they should be. And then I
think there's just a lot of misinformation and lack of
knowledge about sort of what the scheme means and what
people can and can't do. I know there are substantial
(01:44):
productions taken from people's pays, and I don't know whether
people know about that upfront before coming here. I also
think people don't understand sort of the power and balance
that exists within the visa system and in particular the
Palm visa itself, And the reason for that is that
people are really sort of stuck with one employer and
it makes it really difficult for them to leave a
workplace without jeopardizing their legal status.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
How common is it for workers to stay silent or
stay where they are because they're afraid of you know,
pay cuts or even deportation.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
We talk to people in that situation every week. It's
really really troubling. It is a scheme in trouble. It
is something that no person should endure in Australia, irrespective
of where they come from or who they are. Yeah,
it is something that we see much too often.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
What has the federal government done to try to address
some of these issues.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I know that they've adressed tried to address some of
these issues through a certain workplace I guess conditions or
payment issues that were raised previously. I'm not an employment lawyer,
so I can only speak to the immigration side of things.
I know that they have moved in terms of where
how to find an employer or a new sponsor to
(02:57):
dure instead of defats. But I think there are some
other changes that were implemented only recently. There's a pilot
up and running of something called Workplace TRUSTICE VISA that
allows people to stay in Australia to bring a claim
against their employer. There's also cancelation protections, so protections against
visa cancelations that have also been implemented, But the unfortunate
(03:18):
practical reality of those really important reforms is where finding
they actually don't apply to palm workers. So a lot
of people can't rely on the cancelation protection because of
the way the law is written, and a lot of
people can't apply for a workplace justice visa because they're
just not eligible for that visa. So I think some
of the protections that have been implemented, which are really good,
are actually failing some of the most disadvantage and vulnerable
(03:39):
members of our community.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
What outcomes would you like to see from this report
and presenting it to the UN especially.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'd like to see some pretty strong recommendations around what
is needed to reform the Palm scheme. So I think
what really needs to happen is this decoupling of the
employer and employee relationship. By that, I mean you really
need to ensure that people can choose who they want
to work for, and if they are working in a
place where they are treated poorly, they have the freedom
(04:07):
to move. So we need to make it easier for
people to leave their employer or to move employers so
that they're able to stand up for themselves, speak out
about a horrific treatment and also possibly not get into
that situation in the first place because they have the
right to choose who they work for. So I think
that would be a really big recommendation would like to
see made.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And I understand there were some pretty alarming finds here
in the Bunderberg region. In particular, we've.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Had colleagues go up to Bunderworg, I think it was
last year and witness some really horrific treatment of harm
workers in Queensland in Bunderberg and in reality we saw
people a sort of sleeping rough on park benches, and
we also saw people lining up at soup kitchens just
because they didn't have enough money or access to resources
to even feed themselves or home themselves properly. It's absolutely horrifying.
(04:54):
I think people come here to work and to be
afforded the same rights as everyone else, and I think
it just becomes clear that the visa system doesn't allow
people to enforce their rights and also sort of puts
them in an extremely disadvantage situation. These people coming here,
they work in our farms, they pick our fruits and vegetables.
(05:14):
You know, They're an important part of saying the Istralian economy,
but also the Istralian culture.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's been two months since Gimpei Regional Council's controversial decision
to stop water fluoridation, which was against staff recommendations. Six
hundred and fifty people signed a petition to stop the program,
some of those signatures coming from outside the area. Here's
Meg Glenn Hartwick with an update.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
At the time, you know, we were looking to I
was looking as the chair to try and find a
way that we could actually deal with this and not
kick thisin down their road. And whilst their standing orders
can be quite strict, I'm open too in interested democracy
and moving things forward, be flexible within the standing orders
and have an alternate motion that is completely contrary to
(06:01):
what staff has suggested understanding orders that that's not supposed
to happen as a sort of a normal business item.
But I'm more than comfortable to have that because we
need to get things done to move it on. But
there was a councilor foreshadowed emotion to rescind, which would
mean that, you know, even if we had a motion
(06:22):
that was successful to remove or stop fluoridation, it would
come back to council the following month. And it would
just be the soccer ball that was booted around.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Council is now deciding how to best deliver community consultation.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Counselors will continue to discuss what is the best way
to do that, who should be engaged and how should
they be engaged so that we get the results we
need so that if we have, you know, we can
get a definitive outcome that should be settled hopefully by
the end of this month. So I would think, you know,
we're not going to go out to community consultation during
the Christmas period, labor people with more stuff and at
(06:56):
one of the busiest times of the year. I would think,
you know, early in the year, you be engageing with
the community that better understand their desires around fluoride. And
then yeah, with the report being presented to council not long.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
After, dentists have pushed for fluoride to remain, saying it's
safe and crucial to preventing tooth decay. Mere Hartwig says
it has people in the community torn as well.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
There's a lot of evidence that says that fluoride's good,
and some people believe that, and there's a lot of
evidence that says it's not good and some people believe that.
For me, I'm not interested in having that argument, you know,
And I'm not interested in people saying you should listen
to the experts, because both sides have their own experts
and often in a people holding a cigarette, other people
(07:40):
saying we should listen to the experts. And that's an
interesting stance take when you're a cigarette maker, you know,
those people that want more fluid in your diet, knock
your socks off, put toothpaste on your paste each morning.
And for those that don't want it, I don't feel
it should be forced on them. But at the end
of the day, it comes down to what does the
community want.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And the communit unities feedback should be revealed from mid
to late next year following that consultation period mentioned earlier.
After the break, the region's elective surgery weightlist grows.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
I heard White bernd.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I Herb White.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You're listening to iHeart White Bay Burnette. I'm Taylor Larson.
The pressures on for the new state government to address
growing surgical weightlists around the state. The Australian Medical Association's
Queensland branch has highlighted the wide Bay as an area
of concern. Our reporter Jimoss has more.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
The association's surgical weightlist rounds Table action plan was released
weeks before October's state election. President Doctor Nikiyam says it's
a ready to go roadmap for the Chrysofoley government.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
I think it's something where as many priority areas, but
some key area that we have focused on is obviously gynecology,
ophthalmology and orthopedic. The kissing here is that all these surgeries,
whilst they are elective surgeries, necessary plan surgeries for very serious.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Conditions patients in Gingin and Childers, so they're waiting extended
periods to get the surgeries they need. Of the ten
hospitals in the region, the procedures can only be delivered
in Harvey Bay, Merboro or Bunderberg. But the AMA claims
none of these hospitals have the resources or staff to
offer a full range of surgical services.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
We know that health workforce is one of the greatest
challenges that not just our state is facing. It's also
a global issue and in regional Queensland there are additional
pressures that we do face. And in surgery it's not
just a surgeon that's required it requires a big team
and that includes a surgeon, demethotus, nurses, the wards stuff.
(09:42):
So these are the challenges that we are facing in
particular and regional in rural Queensland.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
In the last reported quarter, one eight hundred people were
on the elective surgery wait list in the Wide Bay
Nearly fifteen percent of patients who were waiting for gynecological
surgery were not treated within the clinically recommended time frame.
Dr Yim says delays can lead to serious consequences.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Delays and surgeries, delays and seeing and outpatient appointment. Unfortunately,
patients do result with horror health outcomes. Obviously, people waiting
for their knee surgery will need to potentially take stronger
pain relief and that can lead to dependence. At the
same time, we know that chronic pain can lead to
I guess mental health challenges down the road, which is
(10:24):
the reason why we need to ensure we have these
strateges in place to ensure that complications do not arise.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
AMA Queensland's pushing for greater training incentives to get the staff.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Here what AMA queens And would like to see from
the current government. I guess there's current engagement I guess,
develop strategies and consultations and definitely listen to the experts
and the evidence for formulating this plan moving forward, because
it takes a whole state to approach this, and obviously
we do need different strategies moving forward. Obviously we can't
put a Brisbane based system in a regional rural town
(10:57):
that may not have the same I guess facilities. So
obviously each region, each hospital may require a different strategy,
but we are looking at potentially I may collaborate teams
approach I guess, investing into original health workforce and I
guess talking to those communities of seeing what services that
they do require.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
A groundbreaking program is engaging at risk kids in Gimpi
through the traditional craft of blacksmithing. The Waterhead program is
funded by Youth Justice and around ten kids are in
the current course. Two time world champion creative blacksmith Dan
Davey runs the workshops.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
These kids obviously have fallen through the cracks, so they're disconnecting,
especially at school, and I think they just feel like
they're not succeeding in anything. The fact that the two
of the biggest skills have put the time and to
bring these kids out and have seen that the program
could be beneficial before he even kicked it off. It's
(11:54):
been awesome. And the fact that they send a teacher
one of the skills, sends a teacher in the bus
and comes out to run a small group of kids
with one teacher for that amount of time in a
big skill where obviously they don't They wouldn't have fast
amount of teachers that could just nip off and do
this thing. So the fact that they put so much
(12:15):
effort into bringing a small group of kids for this
show is how they really do look out for the kids.
You know, they're trying to get them engaged in something,
which is great.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The kids learn how to work with a coal fired forge.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
You've got to learn how to run the fire, like
the fight, control the fire, keep the fight clean. I've
taught them to seven basic elements of blacksmithing, and we've
touched on every one of those elements in the things
that they're making, so that if they have a look
back on this, they can say, I know how I
could crank it forward up and go and do this
because the foundation that I've given them, even though it's
(12:50):
a short amount of time, covers all the aspects, and
they've taken it so well that they're just the work
that they're turning out is even away. They're just gone
so great and they're so keen. They just get in
and they I just push them into the job and
off they go, and they just there's no slack in them.
They just want to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It's been great dan abcs. The program helps foster creativity, discipline,
and personal growth.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
When these kids fairs coming in, they were all quite timid.
They're all some of them a little bit resentful, you know,
just in life in general, I think. And they had
no skill at all, and they had older hammer let
alone user hammer. And now now they're running their own fives.
I can say to them, don't burn that bit of steel.
I'm off doing helping someone else. Just keep it ready
(13:33):
for me. And they are just running these files like
they've been working them for years. It's quite amazing how
quickly they've taken to it.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Says. It also builds their confidence so.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
They can see that they're doing something, making stuff out
of their skill. The whole school, you know, these skills
thousand pupils each, but they're the best that they can
go back to skill and say look at this, this
is what I can do. I think that's just they're
what they can achieve. It's really made them quite proud
what they're doing and quite proud of themselves, and quite
their confidence is just gaining or every day they come here.
(14:07):
It's just they just kids just opening up. They're good fun,
they're good kids. I haven't had a bad kid. They're
just all great. But just you know, they could possibly
turn bad, as everyone could have in the wrong situation.
But hear while they're doing this, they're just great. They're
just just normal kids having a crack.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And Jan recently received a letter from one of the
boys in the course.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
He says, good morning. You've been teaching my follen year
old son for this term every Tuesday morning to say,
I have seen a massive change in him as an
understatement his confidence, work ethic adaptation of skills into his
daily routurne of groundomatically. This also opened him up to
new conversations and opportunities. Programs broad in his perceptional abilities
for future prospects, and his respect for Dan me and
(14:50):
his knowledge is showing through at home. I truly hope
that this program will continue to be available for students
in the new year and many more to come. My
son will definitely be attending as much as you him
to do as is in his words, is the best
program I've ever done, and I'm proud of myself, he said.
Hearing him tell me he is proud of himself was
(15:10):
one of the best conversations a father can have. Cheers, Dad.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well, that's it for this week. To listen back or
find previous episodes, search iHeart White Baby Bernette on the
iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
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