November 19, 2023 • 50 mins
IT’S OUR 50TH EPISODE!! We are so thrilled to bring you our 5th episode of season 5 which is the 50th episode of our podcast! Did somebody say, ‘alignment’?
In light of this podcast being our side hustle, we decided to delve deeper into the topic of ‘Side Hustle Culture’. What is side hustle culture? Is it for everyone? Is it sustainable? Are families and friends supposed to support your side hustle? What are the origins of this mindset and how has it evolved?
We delve into this and have a blast doing it!
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm always always, sir.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Be careful love those.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Umboo let We'll use your head. They will tear you
lack a purple talk.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah yeah yeah, oh no no no.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Welcome to Its lay It.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
We're in a long distance friendship that started over twenty
years ago when we were in high school.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We'll be talking about all things life, love, family, anything
and everything else under the sun.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Delve deeper with us because in life, you know my layers.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
No, yeah, welcome, Welcome to a brand new episode of
It's Layered, Amanda. This is a little special, right, it's
a little you know, can you tell us what we're
a little hot girl.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's the huge milestone of fifty our fiftieth episode, guys,
in our fifth season, and it's episode five after fifth season.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yes, episode five of the fifth season, fiftieth episode. Do
you see what we're doing there with the number five.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This summer with the numerology five five five, so associated
with change, so triple five. This could be changing location,
change of a drop, change of relationships, something that's just
you know, propelling you to the Next Dimension. So that
sounds pretty good for a fiftieth episode.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Think I love I love the dimension new dimension thing
you just mentioned over there. It's really dope. I mean, honestly,
we all we keep saying this that we didn't expect
to be here, that we would get this far.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And we have our little pop virtual hug because I
could not have done this without you. You've made fifty
pass by so quickly, Like how how.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Especially considering we record like across the globe, So Charlie,
if I tell you, guys, let you in on a
little secret. And the worst when it comes to I'm
always missing up times on time zone WI zones, they
mess in my head. Worse if we're also recording someone
in a different time zone to Blader of Us list.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It's all work, guys, but it become plain, it's becomplex.
It'd be like what am I doing? But like, seriously,
we love doing what we do, and it's so fitting
for the topic we've chosen today for this episode. Side
hustle culture every day.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I'm hustling every day. I'm hustling every day. Every day.
I'm hustling. No, no, I don't even know what he says,
but I'm like what he says, the way he says, Okay,
yeah five culture. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's different kind of hustle.
(03:25):
We're not not necessarily talking about that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah yeah, g version of hustling. I ain't pushing no peace,
I ain't pushing no drugs. I am just doing something else.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Something else. So, Amanda, what is a side hustle to you?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I think for me, it's just having Like obviously, we
all got our nine to five or we all got
what we went to school for, quote unquote, especially as
Zim kids, we went to do whatever you need a
degree and got a job. This is something you do
literally on the side of that, whether it's something that
brings you money or brings you joy, or you just
do it for whatever reason. It's literally something on the
(04:10):
side of your main hustle, which is just your main
nine to five.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Do you think that's the same for you?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I completely agree, And I'm trying to find just like
you're looking for something. Apparently, the term hustle comes from
It's a late seventeenth century word that comes from Dutch
Hutzalan hustle sinds three of them. Oh, and it dates
back to the early twentieth century. So it's a Dutch
word which means shake or toss, shake or top. Okay,
(04:40):
So I guess what Amanda said about it being not
tied specifically to your regular regular or nine to five,
it implies it just something on the side, just doing
like a side Also, you know how that hus is
doing on the side, and I agree it's not aligned
typically not aligned with what you're studying or what your
(05:03):
full time job would be.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Do you have or have you had something you consider
side hustle.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yes and no. I mean yes, I've worked consulting in
digital marketing, social media management and that kind of thing,
so I've definitely done that. But I also do a
lot of my hobbies but in a hussle way. I
don't know how to explain it. So, for example, this
podcast would be doing the side hustle. I've worked on
(05:35):
other platforms and done other things, so definitely, I think
it's always been something I've done, but I haven't looked
at it necessarily as like, oh, my side hustle. It's
just something I enjoy doing or do on the.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Side, So it's more like to get the creative juices
out rather than the hustle I hope this makes me
money because that's what ends up happening right side.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, exactly, So it's more hobby based. What about your
I mean, I know what your side hustle.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Is, but uh yeah, well definitely my styling business is
what people would probably consider a side hustle, Charlie, when
you're filling out forms, when you're ninety five and you're like,
I got ten minutes, let me quickly do something. Yeah
like it? That is I would definitely have to say
that is a side hustle for me. It's something that
I would in an ideal world where we get everything
(06:23):
we want, it would not be a side hustle. That
would be my main hustle and I will not be
doing my nine to five. But obviously reality is reality,
and it's a side hustle that I one day hope
becomes my hustle. So definitely the podcast, definitely I've done.
(06:43):
It's similar to you. I've done so many little things
here and there to just keep the creative juices going.
And I know a lot of friends who like bake,
A lot of friends who I mean even babysitting when
you want to have money on the side or wedding
up hours. So it's like I get like one of
those things that depends. The reasons will differ, but the
(07:05):
ethos is the same that you're doing something apart from
your main income.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
For sure, and obviously something that is it's become a
hot hot thing, hot take. Like everyone wants to talk
about side hustles and all that, like what's your side hustle?
Why is there increasing pressure for having a side hustle?
Like people like, what's your hussle? What's your side hustle?
Like why do you think that's.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I mean, definitely being Zimbabwean, it's economic. You know, if
you're a teacher by trade for example, and what will
you get paid? Peanuts? So you can't be then just
relying on that, you know. Then that's why people do
their chicken project or their baking project or whatever events.
So I think it's just a lot of it ends
(07:51):
up being economic. I mean even in the broader world
or the Western society cost of living crisis, right, so
people people want to have things and do things and travel,
and sometimes that can't all come from the one pocket,
the one pot, so people then try and make another.
I think that's why there's an increasing pressure. But I
also think there's this thing of being seen always to
(08:13):
be working, working hard, you know, not just sitting down,
not just relaxing. So it then perpetuates this whole you
need to be doing your ninety five and then after
ninety five need to come home and keep going like
you just keep work, work, work, work, work, right, for.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Sure, And I think we'll talk about the drawbacks in
a little bit, but it's so right. And I think
for people who are like yourself and I we always
talking about this, who are doers, it can be a
problematic mindset you have because it's like there's no off switch.
And I totally agree. I think that the pressure is
(08:50):
real from an economic standpoint. I was reading how the
hassle culture started in the seventies with you know, the
technological revolution as a in you could do more, faster, quicker.
Then of course, by the time computers became a thing,
it's like you're on the grind now, it's like you're grinding, grinding.
(09:11):
But for me, as you talked about Zimbabwe, I also
thought about it's I think it's historic right because it's
like black people have been excluded in mainstream economies in
a lot of or certain professions. You know, growing up
you'd see my tach shops someone selling a little something
on the side. So it's not necessarily like brand new,
(09:34):
just like kale is not brand new to Zimbabwe. It's
just putting it out there. We've been knowing. We've been
a meal prepping ain't new. We've been known about that,
like you know, recycling ain't new. We could go on,
but I think it's been an integral part of our
culture and system just for survival, like.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Literally yes, yes, and educational levels too. And I remember,
I mean we would look at maybe so much our generation,
but definitely like our parents and older. You could only
be a nurse, you could only be a teacher. So
then if you because of a colonial rule, so if
you're not going to be a nurse, not going to
be a teacher, then what else can you do? So
then it became like informal sector became bigger and bigger,
(10:17):
you know, selling selling food or selling tomatoes, whatever it
is to just pay for school feasons. A lot of
people have been raised by side hustle culture. Absolutely, you know,
it's not such a oh yeah, you know because most
formal sectors in these countries are not working properly, so
people have look elsewhere at all.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And and actually a lot of people earn more from
the side hustle than a man already spoke spoke about
like you actually make more. Whether it's legal or not,
that's now your business with yourself and the tax man.
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, do you think social media pushed it? Though? To me? Though,
like I think longer I went and yeah, because influence
has a side hackler.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yes, initially, typically yes, initially it's.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right before brands start approaching you and stuff. A lot
of them are working nine to five, and then they decide, okay,
now I'm actually making more money off TikTok or off
YouTube or off I think.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think social media has just made it look more glamorous,
and so the dream of like ooh, you two can
live like this, which always this is the what's the
thing conspiracy theory in me, it's like, why are they
letting us black people live glamorous lives and like lux lives?
Now all of a sudden, when they were holding us back,
must be they hadn't someone else there, something else, But
(11:41):
that's a conversation there than we do. They got exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
They still got.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
More, but absolutely it's it's social media has made it
more you know, acceptable and attractive because not everyone wants
to side hustle selling tomatoes, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, do you reckon everyone's being on that?
Do you reckon everyone's meant to be a hustler?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, My people know because zimbablegans are in the cutthold
of a hustler every day.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Your customers, Yeah, probably a hustler, exactly exactly have you
have you seen this thing that was going around about
jay Z denying his cousin like four thousand, three hundred
US dollars or something, and everyone's like, hey, how could he?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
What?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
What?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And I think he was being interviewed by Kevin Hart
and he mentioned this and all the interview is old,
but then this thing has come up and everyone's like, ah,
I just give him. But it's like that energy, Like
people have all these ideas all the time, but whether
or not they come into fruition is a different story,
(12:51):
you know, So not everyone is kind of made for that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And I feel like, even even though you're a hustler,
the business plan or the the idea still has has
to have some sort of structure, right, You're either gonna
go and buy it, like I said for my Bearet
for example, who Gemma spoke about not last season. You're
gonna go and buy these clothes and then you're gonna
have to have enough money to go and buy another
(13:18):
bail to then go and serve it. And you have
to have the customers you have to have. You have
to compete because you know, my bet, when you go
it's like the whole you know, stretch, and you have
to be like, no, I got the best T shirt
for you when someone's walking past. So it's not like
and not everyone has that. Not everyone has that business acumen,
not everyone has that interpersonal skills. And I think people
(13:41):
just think and then I know Zimbabwe is definitely due
to lack of That's why everyone now does a chicken project.
But the whole ethos of it was that only those
who can really do it should be doing it. You know,
I can go to your ninety five, but not because
there's no ninety five everybody would do.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
It's like when you're driving down the road and it's
mango season. I mean obviously, because but everybody be selling
the same thing. Like nothing differentiate and as a customer,
you're like, what do I choose? But I've noticed even
like the lady near my parents' place. I remember when
I was home in April, I went to buy like
some veggies and some tomatoes, but there was a distinct lady.
(14:23):
She understood business. She was she was quick to reach
out and be like, oh, I can give you this
or whatever then quisa.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Or you know, or even washing your hand thing with
you to wash your hair. Yeah, I enhance and a
plastic bag to carry my veggies home as well.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
It's just like on the basic level, and I don't
think everyone has that. And I saw that and we
spoke about it when I was planning for my Aurora
where it's like you want to support local businesses, but
sometimes local businesses don't want you to support them because
there isn't that culture of like cultivating you know, good
relationships and things like that.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So no, yeah, I think that's the saddest form of
hassler for me, the one who's doing it with no choice, yes,
you know, because then it's like there's no calling to it,
there's no I can do this to it. There is
just I have to exactly when people are stuck in
a corner. A lot of times we don't perform at
our best. Yes, So I think like, yeah, even when
it comes to Haustler's, it's like if you feel like
(15:28):
this or nothing, it's like it loses that like that
authenticity about it.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Then that's when you don't get the plastic bag, when
you buy your mangles.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And you're just like, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
It's angry with you, or you don't have change, my guy,
someone else will be like mamm made change, and that's
going to go exactly exactly difference and get angry with
me exactly, or like the.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Ones you put then nonsense tomatoes at the bottom of
the dish. And then only when you open your plastic
you're like, seriously, you know, repeat customers, you need to
think about the things like she will tell me need
to come. So I don't think everyone's is kind of
wired that way. But what would you say are some
of the benefits to the to the hussle culture or
side hussle culture specifically?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I suppose for me is that the the opportunities are endless,
right as I said before, in Zimbabwe, especially where it's
like education, education, education books, books, books, if you're not
so inclined, then then can be another option for you. Right,
You're not just gonna be like, oh okay, I didn't
become a nurse or a teacher. What do I do now?
(16:34):
They're like, okay, I can do this instead. And also
we have what I like to call our God given gifts,
you know, and it's nice if you can make something
out of them. You know, sorry about bake and they
give you the recipe, Like my child, my cake didn't
turn out. It ain't work, the main thing. So it's like,
(16:55):
why not be given your flowers quote unquote for your talents?
You and I think in informal sectors or even as
you said, a lot of times for black people, we've
been shut out of these formal sectors. It's nice that
it can we have another space where we can operate,
you know, and also breeds creativity. I think people really
(17:18):
I think outside the box more so than ninety five.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And I think it's such a great like you and
I have already mentioned, it's a great outlet, you know,
for those of us who and especially we've talked about
being an African child and the restrictions or the limitations
to what you can do and who you can even
though you know, yes, I have this, you know, I'm
really into fashion and I can see and limited to okay,
(17:46):
but you're studying science. It's like, okay, Yeah, if I
don't get to do what I love off bat, I
will study and get myself that job and then branch
off into that at the Avenue. And it keeps us
live because I think if we don't have those outlets,
you're just like dying. Like this podcast has been such
a reprieve and you know, therapeutic for us definitely when
(18:11):
especially when the pandemic was at its height. You know,
it can really do a lot for you. So I
definitely see.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And like if you think about a lot of the
innovative businesses started out as side hustle. Yes, you know,
it's not like even in the Western world, it's not
like even Amazon and all that's starting people's garages, you know,
they're not just like they're still getting to work and
in the evening they're doing their side hustle hoping it
becomes something.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So I think it just drives innovation, it drives thinking
outside the box. Yeah, there's a lot of benefits to it.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And I think when people do something that they really
are called to. It also shows you that there's a
place for everyone in this world. I feel like sometimes
it's especially in formal sector, can feel very limited. You're
not wanted too this. It kind of says, you know what,
(19:08):
free game. And I think the Internet has been a
blessing in that way to say, actually there's room and
space for you. What you do with that room and space,
now that's your your own issue, but it's just it
just makes it validates you as a human, especially as
minorities or those previously excluded from a lot of these sectors.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, What do you think could be
the drawbacks then, because you're obviously pro we got the
podcast pros exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I think the drawbacks burnout absolutely if you think about
where it's the side hassle isn't your only hussle. You
quickly burnout because when you come home when you're supposed
to be resting, you are working, and it can lead
to an imbalanced life and you have to be very
(19:58):
intentional about taking the time out to rest. I think too,
some of the drawbacks it the pressure. As we've mentioned that,
oh we all need to have side house. What if
I'm not wired then that way, what if the formal sector,
But it seems the world often judges people are how
could you not have a side hustle, you know, we
(20:20):
can't survive anymore on you know, one means of in
one stream of income, you need to have additional income
sources and streams. So that whole culture has definitely led
to a lot of burnout people over working themselves. And
I think that's why as much as side hustole culture
(20:42):
has been propelling forward during COVID and after as these
last few years we've seen the great resignation or the
silent resignation is the silent resis quiet twining, quiet quitting
because people realize it's unsustainable. It often comes at the
(21:02):
cost of your own well being and mental weal.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah. Yeah, And speaking of being unsustainable, I think also financial, yes,
because like sometimes side hustles then require capital and then
people then use their normal hustle to then Now, but
this has to work, you know, and like it loses
that that fun aspect of it. It loses that it's
like make or break right, there's like one of those
(21:26):
that reality show is not a reality show, but whatever
you want. A shark tank where you go on and
you talk about your business and then you get investors, right,
and then it's like that's great and all. But a
lot of the questions they ask is how much money
have you put into this? Yes? You know, and then
they see how liable this viable? And hold the liability
(21:47):
as well of this business because like people with thinking
their houses, people thinking all their pay from the work
for twenty years, then they got one day eureka, I'm
gonna go and do this, and then sun all their
money that they work so hard or into that one idea.
And I think it's just because people have this, it
has to work, it will work, and then they dream big,
which is good, but unfortunately not everyone who dreams big
(22:10):
gets to land where they're you know. So I think
the drawback is that it makes you think, wow, I
can do everything, but can you really? Is it feasible?
You have to do calculated risk to see if this
can work.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's definitely high risk in some regards, like if the
investment is low and roads are high, that's great for you.
But sometimes, as you mentioned, the the risk is high
and then you invest a lot and there's a lot
to lose, which can be challenging. Would you say that
(22:46):
side hustles are a waste of time? I mean I
think I kind of know. But when do you call
it either way like yes or no it's a waste
of time. When do you say, okay, it's a waste
of time, or when do you say no, it's not
a waste of time.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I think for me, saying it's a waste of time
sounds so dismissive, right, I think you need to gauge
at yourself and see if it's worth your time. Okay,
So like it's like, you know, yeah, like what you
said so well about like you you just have to see, like,
(23:20):
am I losing myself in this? Am I burning out
to the point where it's like having said that, launching
a business or anything, you're gonna have a bit of burnout, girl,
You're gonna have a bit of So you now need
to realize how much is too much? Only you know
your boundaries, which we spoke about in our third episode.
Only you know how far you're gonna go. Hopefully your
(23:41):
family are also supportive enough, because you also have to
think of the people. You have this pipe dream and
then there's people around you also. Now I have to
hold you up whilst you're having this dream of I'm
gonna be this, I'm gonna be that, you know. And
that's why I find the side hustles that come from
people's like I want to call it, people's hands made
my walk always say, I think of how to say
(24:02):
it in English. But like you know, cooking or like
doing hair, those side hushles tend to be not a
waste of time for me because it's like you're being
creative with something that.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's tangible, it's visible and ale yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
But when it comes to like doing business business and
like starting on a tech company or something, it's like
a different mindset.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I feel different, mindset different.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I don't know. Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
You so right as you said, you have to know
yourself if you can handle it. And sometimes I think
we don't really think about the cost of it, if
that makes sense, Like yeah, yes, definitely, Oh I can
do it if they can do it too. But everyone
talks about the grind and how tough it is and
(24:52):
how yeah draining it is, and for me, it's not
worth it if you're doing it just because that's what
everyone is doing. We also see it that now in
Zim because the formal sector is very small for you
to get a job or actually make a career for yourself.
People are just like, well, okay, cheatah business, and it's like,
(25:14):
that's not in world in white. I was never wired
that way. So knowing yourself and being honest with yourself
is a big, big thing. And also maybe just have
a hobby. I've seen somewhere where people say, not every
hobby is a side hustle. It's okay, does that a girl? Yes,
just have the hobby. It's all right, yes it it's
(25:34):
not necessary. But I wouldn't say just keep.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It in your circle of influence. And it's all exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
But I wouldn't say a side hustle is a waste
of time. I think it's sustained many families, many communities.
It's necessary. It's been a necessary part of our history
and our modern day age. So we can't discount it
at all.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, and we have to also remember forever and launches
the business. The probably ten other ones that failed, you
know what I mean, like the one that ends up
making it that people know about. There's a few that
they would have stopped started, you know. Lemonade stand when
you're young kids all the way to like all these things.
They also teach you a lot of things that textbooks
and stuff can't teach teach you, you know, approaching people
(26:18):
and trying to have customer service and all that stuff
is it's it's hard to teach. You just have to
experience it and see how it is for yourself. So
it's not always you know, yes, financially people could look
at it like that, but there's other ways we're growing
that are not always financial.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
True, But I think a lot of especially where we
come from, everything is tied to okay, Marie, or what
do you got or what are you able to gain
from this? Unfortunately?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, like what are you doing this for? Like I'm
sure our parents even think, okay, girls, you got a podcast?
And then you feel like it's like what where is
this going? What are you going to be doing a
radio show? Like it has to be going somewhere for
them to be like, oh, okay, you know, not just but
it's like, okay, what if I just enjoy doing something
that's not good enough?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yes and getting answered listen to that advice, so now
you must And it's like and.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
It's like, oh, so you've you've done this business, are
you dispersed it? Because last time I changed, you couldn't
set your tomatoes. Okay, don't now come and tell me that.
But yeah. Thinking about family though, what type of support
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would you expect from family and friends when you have
a side hustle.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It's a good question because there's often a debate of
are you expected. Are your family and friends expected to
your clients to expect to be your clients buy from you.
I think the most important support is talking through your ideas,
say you know you can do this, or you know,
share what you're doing, and if they're able to help invest,
(28:05):
that's all well and good. If they're able to support
and purchase, that's all well and good. But you will
have people who will support you from your family and friends.
But I don't think the expectation that erybody is going
to support you, It's impossible. I think it's more to
do with the emotional mental support, sometimes physical. If you
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need to package your goods, be like, hey, honey, that
is what we need to be doing, and then they
talk exactly for you, Amanda. As a working mom, if
your side hustle, someone needs to look after Jerome, It's
like okay, and someone saying okay, I will babysit so
and so so. In that way, I think that's really
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helpful support connecting you to people saying have you thought
about this? Or you know, sometimes being your champion when
you lose faith in yourself, all those kinds of ways.
Whether or not they buy from you, I don't think
you should take it as a given.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
They don't want to domato because maybe your tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Down the road.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I'm just saying, so.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Let them let them.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I don't think that's been My biggest lesson has been that,
I think in having a side hustle over side business
that my friends and family. Look, it's especially in Zimbabwean culture,
especially in African culture, we tend to be a bit hales.
So it's like, yeah, we need endorsement from other people
(29:38):
to be like, oh, my sister is actually doing something cool,
you know what I mean. Sometimes sometimes we realize it ourselves,
but as the culture this general, we tend not to yes,
you know you like see like Indian people, for example,
once one opens the business, the whole street gonna end
up being you know, and that's they just have that
like they have that business acumen that we I guess
(29:59):
do a lot of reasons we do not have quite
as much. And I find like I think sometimes when
I walked into my business, I expected that that everyone
supports me and lifts me up. But then I realized that, yeah,
my friends and family aren't my clients. Like, yeah, it's
great if they do and do become that, but I
(30:20):
shouldn't expect it. It's almost like just expect the worst
and then you know, you get whatever you get as
a bonus. Yes, because then in the day, you in yourself.
You have to be your biggest champion. You have to
be your biggest because in the day, yeah, I can
help you post your stuff, I can take care of Jerome,
but if I can to last minute, you guys to
still be able to make it work.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
You know what I mean exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
So it's almost like it's nice if you have it,
great if you do, but it's not the end of
the world if you if you don't.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And this is a question for the listeners, I really
want to understand, why can we not just support especially
zimbabwek We've alluded to this many an episode, We've touched
on it, and what is it in us as a people?
We really struggle. I just want to understand the cater
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ration holeration in the dancery. Okay, we took it and
ran with it, and I don't understand it. It's really
a question. Maybe one day someone will answer it. But
as we continue, at what point do you feel that
the side hustle stops being a side hustle and becomes
the main chick? You know, it's not the sad piece.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
No side piece now and it ends up being financial? Right?
And how much time it's making taking away from your
other stuff that you do, if you're willing to take
the risk, if you're willing to make the jump all
those questions. At some point, it's like your business. And
maybe when it grows beyond your side astle grows beyond you,
maybe when you hire someone else, maybe when you know
(31:56):
room is not just only packing up the packages for me.
Now I'm paid, you're a little bit of the salary salary,
you know, maybe maybe when you pay yourself so like
I think that, yeah, it ends up being financial. I
think in most cases, yeah, sure, when you can sustain
yourself financially in some sort of way you want to do.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Or you can see the that at this trajectory. It
makes sense for me to make it the full time
because not everyone puts the side hustle in the midst
of like it's being you know, more financially profitable than
your nine five. But you can project and see the
trajectory is going on. It requires one time and dedication.
(32:41):
So then I have to say, okay, bye bye, let
me put my full effort into this.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
And yeah, yeah, you have to do the risk analysis
and you see.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
This analysis.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You have to make sure, yeah, you have to see
it's gonna make sense because.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I don't think we are educated in business terms as
a society, let alone as a community Zimbabwean community. It's
not normal to be taught like, okay, do the business plan,
what's the cost benefits? What the risk analysis?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Have you done? What analysis have you? You know, it's
it's kind of just well starting people will be like,
oh my chickens cost three dollars and you're okay, how
did you get to that number? Yes, and it's blinglingk blingling.
It's like okay, how like literally we do not have Yeah,
we just do what something like like the for Zimbove
(33:37):
with especially, we literally just do what someone else is doing.
You know, and it's like, oh this worked for such
and such a should work for me. But so I
guess that just chosen back to not everyone's meant to
be a hassle, because there's no intention with approaching it
that way.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
For sure, I have a question for you. Do you
have what side hassle a part of you your world
or with your family growing up or even now, did
you see it happen?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Definitely, yes, I have to admit, like my parents got
a farm. Before getting farms was like I think you
know what I mean, And then they start selling chickens.
Actually my dad I think was just the ninety five years.
It's like Charlie, I'm fine over her, but my mom
was like I want more, which was always more creative.
(34:27):
So if I remember like dressing chickens and like getting
them ready, then we used to like drop them off
at Zetirapy there's like a depot just outside of town,
and like they yeah, that's that was like a one
client obviously, and it would like stick all these stickers
on them with But like I think she just had
that in her, like I and I think because I
saw her obviously doing the finance thing, but I also
(34:49):
saw her doing that on the weekends. It's kind of
like was like, Okay, you can make this work. I
do not think at any point I obviously will not know,
but I do not think at any point she thought
I'm gonna quit finance and totally do this. But I
think it was there was something in her where it
was like, we have this farm, let's utilize it, you know. Yeah,
(35:10):
And I think I guess because I saw that, I
also had the privilege and the freedom to think, this
is something I can do. So I think a lot
of stuff a lot of times, but don't also think
of it because it comes from fear. We can't do
things we've never really seen represented well. Yes, you know,
and especially in the black community, if you haven't seen
someone doing well with a side hustle, you'd be like,
(35:31):
don't do side hustling because you're just gonna sink your
money and all this stuff. Yeah, But the opposite of
that is it sometimes can wait can work for sure?
What about you?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I definitely thought my mom became a housewife when we
were kids, when we moved to South Africa specifically and
when you moved to ghan and she was really taken
by Bautique printing and all tie and eye and what
sort of you know that thing of like my wife
has her side, you know, just a project to keep
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her busy. I really think that's how it started out.
But my mom really ran with it and started. She
went to different courses and by the time we moved
back to Zimbabwe, it was a business she started for herself.
When we were back home, they even updated a certain
portion of the home so she could have the screen
printing and the TI dyeing. She you cell and she
(36:28):
had a shop at sam Levey's village at some point
and so on and so forth. Then I think when
my parents got their farm, that kind of had to
be sidelined and she had to focus on helping. And
then she also went on courses like farming pigs, farming this.
So she was and right now she started a new
hustle which she does in the city with chickens and
(36:52):
it's growing. She started off small and then now you know,
catching up, getting bigger, more clients. And I really think
women are good at side.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Huss said, have you seen that women and women are
the ones really on the backbone of side hustle culture.
A lot of times people will tell you. I put
my kids through school, waking up early to go and
sell my flusit like seriously, because we also we have
no pride.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I was going to say, women are not afraid to
to to do what is deemed as low.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Even going to England to be nurses and whatever. That
is also a side hustle at the time because at
the time when all this nursing stuff started, cos these
jobs that are going started, the care work, all this
stuff that started, the men need to be convinced, and
the women went and would be like, Okay, how many men.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Up, Yes, exactly exactly so.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And I think that's what I was saying before. We're
alluded to before that you can't think it's beyond you,
you can't make it, take it personally. You just have
to do what you need to do. You know what
I mean for sure? And yeah, do.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
What she needs to do it it's inspiring. And I
think I definitely get my creative side from my mom.
I think my dad has a creative side on in
his own tip like visually he sees things esthetically a
certain way, and I think I get that from him.
But my mom definitely, and she also has I can't
do She's like, figure it out, bright and.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Which I?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Which I? And she's not an overthinker like me. I
think that's what really propels her on some of us.
I'll be doing the cost benefits, lashdown run. I'll be like,
what's the cost benefit, what's the ratest, what's the the
you know which sometimes can you know inhibit you paralysis analysis.
I'll just drop that in there because we're gonna get
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to that a little treat at the end of the episode.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah. So any advice though, how to navigate this space.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I think that when it comes to side hushold culture,
you need to do something that you stand tent toes
down behind. It needs to be something that you can believe,
at least from what I have witnessed. It needs to
be something that it pushes you. Honestly, though some people
(39:23):
succeed in businesses that maybe they don't care about, knew
nothing about before and all that. But you need to
be confident in it, and Santano's down that you can
do it. It's about a self belief and always think
about what can what something different I can bring to
the table that would be availume to people, and who
(39:45):
are my clients who's my audience and why should they
care about what I have to say or do or
provide them. I don't know what advice you are really
in the side.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I definitely I think we also need to remember that
we're in positions of service, you know what I mean.
When you have your business, especially when you're in the
grassroots level, you don't have twenty people working for you.
So don't act like you do child like you know
what I mean, Like, just humble yourself, be there for
your clients. Like all we're talking about about the people
(40:19):
who run to go and get changed or give your
plastic bag or give you a bit of suce with
your mango. Yes, wash your hands, like, just be in
a season of service, yes, because that just keeps growing
and growing. And people then do do word of mouth
because you treated them well? Do word of mouth because
they see your talent. You know. I hate it when
(40:41):
you see hairdresses and they make you wait four five hours,
they cancel on you the day before, they do all
of this. Yes, we need your services, of course, but
make me want to come back, yes, you know, make
me not go look at me? You also does it,
because come on, we're not unique. We all if you
look you even these days with the internet, if you
(41:02):
look for one hairdresser, you'll find tens, you know what
I mean. So it's like, what makes you, as you said,
what makes you stick out? What's your little extra to
make your extraordinary? What's that little say that that makes
you think, Okay, only room we can do my hair?
You know, only room we can sell me these tomatoes?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So it's like, I think we lose that and and
nowadays we just think if you don't want to do
with my time or no, like we're we're in a
season of service to our time.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
And repeat customers are really valuable because the effort to
gain new customers is so much harder as opposed to
someone I trust. I trust Amanda, and I'm going to
ask you every time to help me with my starling.
If you didn't know Amanda is a stylist, we might
have some new listeners over years.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
So she like what if that's what she does?
Speaker 3 (41:59):
And also for shoots, and she also does consultations.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Why we're friends like these, how can I fail?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
We need to know we met, Let them let them know,
let them she's you know, she's got a certification from
the Australian Institute Styling Institute Institute. She she got it,
she got got it. That's an she'd be educated educated
and she also got the style. And if you want
to see some of her work for my wedding.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
And styling, she gonna be way too much credit. You
got that, I your mom.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I definitely got it. But she just also added obviously
her little time. Remember the photographer, I know we're digressing.
Remember the photographer for my check wedding. We laid out,
you laid out the dresses and so including my mom's dress.
I think my mom had moms.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Dress our dresses, yes, yes, and then your beauty is
waiting dress.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
He was like, who who styled this? And I was
like and he was so sure he was sugar, And
I was.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Like these check people now let him now. He was
like okay, he was really sure. We digress, but like, yeah,
we digress. But also maybe that's another point of advice.
Be your biggest cheerleader in the room. Like I remember,
like I went to the seminar and like Americans are
so good with self promoting, like we were. It was
like a podcast thing and they were like, you know,
(43:29):
even when someone's a guest on a podcast and make
it sound like they owned the podcast, you know, like
Australians have told Poppy syndrome. You know, don't be seen
being too you know, egotistical, but it's like it's a
mixture of both. Don't be like a nose about it.
But at the same time, also let people know this
is what I do. I can help you. I can
advertise yourself a little bit for sure.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
And you know the ones who are confident, so what's up?
Aunties and uncles, they just be sending you there thing
and I just sign up to know I'm not auture.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
But WhatsApp that's coming clutch with those business blah blah blah,
because now you know what do you need the website
for what do you need? Like it's such a good
informal sector because people can put their photos of their
cakes and they're stapping. You're like bless us, you know,
like for roombes, for roombs are hands in her We
had one of my girls that I know from ZIM
(44:22):
and she literally when I got her number, I just
saw the platters she had to offer. It was just
so easy and I thought, WhatsApp.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
It's really helpful for those that's good advice. And man,
get your nice profile my photos because even business cater
the caterer for Rota, like the snacks after the blessing,
before the mail, it was just on what tapp. I
just looked. I was like, Okay, that sounds good. Even
the cake lady like it helped goes a long way
(44:51):
and I loved them even to these this day, like
my makeup artists and ZIM and the promo on on WhatsApp.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
She just themn like get your get your work, work work.
I also realized that there is work behind it. Be
ready to work, be ready to show up and show
out and make people remember you in a good way.
Yeaes for sure.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
She was actually and she had behind the scenes that
came like she was just wanting. Sheign yes, brought her
formal makeup chair.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I was like, okay, you know what we need to
do a whole list and just like real advertise all
those girl because they're doing things and they've been doing things.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Hayman class make up by patience. If you wanted to know,
justh God, this has been so so refreshing and I
thoroughly enjoyed this conversation this topic. We hope you've enjoyed
talking about it. But before we go, before I let
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you go.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
For our fiftieth episode, ROOMBI, what do we have for
the peoples we have.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
So excited talking about, you know, hustling fiftieth episode, we
have launched our website. Yes, finally, five seasons in. Yes,
might be late for some of y'all, but it's right
on time for us.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
We have our perfect timing.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
For perfect timing, we have our website. It's at www
dot It's late podcast dot com. Why are website, Amanda,
what's the point? Why should they care?
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Well? Our tagline is delve deeper, right, So what better
way to do that than to get to know us more,
get to know more about our episodes, get to know
more about our thoughts, get to share as a community.
Than having a website, it's like the perfect landing page
to just to just be as one. You know we will.
(46:56):
This episode is a perfect example of that. We're big
supporters of sharing things. And I've learned this, what if
you learned? Let's come together, let's chat about it. The
ethos of ours of our podcast, and so the thought
the website is just the perfect way to bring all
them thoughts into one, don't.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
You completely, absolutely, and we'll be will we're blogging again,
Amanda and I, so we'll be sharing a bit of
you know, some of the things that we want to
talk about. You can also subscribe so that you get
the latest information first. We're just so excited to just
take it to the next step. You know. One thing
(47:36):
about Side Hustles is I think progression for us as
individuals and as a duo with this podcast is so important.
So we constantly surprise to some or not. We constantly
ask ourselves like what else can we do? But we
also try to grow in a sustainable at a sustainable
rate because we know that we have a lot going
(47:58):
on in our lives, so we we obviously don't want
to start something and then you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
And also to make it our episodes somewhat more accessible
as well, Like I mean, if you're gonna be jumping
off Spotify or Apple Podcasts or any of the places
where you get your podcasts normally, it's nice for us
to have our catalog elsewhere somewhere where we own as
well as black women, very very important for us to
own our own stuff. And the website is a perfect
(48:29):
place because it's it's ours. I mean, hey, who knows,
one day we might just be like, oh the episodes
on the podcast and podcast only, yeah only, you never know,
so that could be our growth, that could be our goal.
But definitely check it out, tell us what you think.
Subscribed and right along on this journey with us for sure.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
So that's our ZIM shout out to be shouting out ourselves.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yes we can, Okay, bet on ourselves half that we
are every day. Yeah, but we're upside.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Oh my gosh, so shout out. Please check us out.
Will leave all the information in the show notes, and
also shout out to all our listeners, all our new listeners,
everyone who dms us.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
We see you.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
We appreciate you, seriously, seriously, like we keep hitting different
milestones and as we said earlier, the little podcast that could,
and we keep coulding.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
So we're greateful that we keep going. At some point
we're not going to be the little podcast anymore. We're
gonna just be like, Okay, we appreciate the journey. Fifty
episodes is no joke. There's blood, sweat and tears behind
these episodes. We do our episodes with intent because we
we wanted to provide something that we were looking for
as well, you know, And and we're so happy that
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you guys are engage with us, engaging with the content,
engaging with the guests that we have this season, our
Barbie season Barb. So please keep cheering this episode fifty today,
but the other rest of the season is coming along
and you've still got many more surprises for you.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Absolutely, thank you so so much. Thanks, and thank you
for listening, tuning in, share it with your friend, your
friend's friends, your auntie, your uncle, whoever you think can
enjoy this episode and all our previous episodes. And we
will see you guys on the next one. Take care everyone, bye.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
We will tell you lack a purple
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Talk no no, no, yeah yeah yeah yeah
I'm always always, sir.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Be careful love those.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Umboo let We'll use your head. They will tear you
lack a purple talk.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah yeah yeah, oh no no no.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Welcome to Its lay It.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
We're in a long distance friendship that started over twenty
years ago when we were in high school.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We'll be talking about all things life, love, family, anything
and everything else under the sun.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Delve deeper with us because in life, you know my layers.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
No, yeah, welcome, Welcome to a brand new episode of
It's Layered, Amanda. This is a little special, right, it's
a little you know, can you tell us what we're
a little hot girl.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's the huge milestone of fifty our fiftieth episode, guys,
in our fifth season, and it's episode five after fifth season.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yes, episode five of the fifth season, fiftieth episode. Do
you see what we're doing there with the number five.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This summer with the numerology five five five, so associated
with change, so triple five. This could be changing location,
change of a drop, change of relationships, something that's just
you know, propelling you to the Next Dimension. So that
sounds pretty good for a fiftieth episode.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Think I love I love the dimension new dimension thing
you just mentioned over there. It's really dope. I mean, honestly,
we all we keep saying this that we didn't expect
to be here, that we would get this far.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And we have our little pop virtual hug because I
could not have done this without you. You've made fifty
pass by so quickly, Like how how.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Especially considering we record like across the globe, So Charlie,
if I tell you, guys, let you in on a
little secret. And the worst when it comes to I'm
always missing up times on time zone WI zones, they
mess in my head. Worse if we're also recording someone
in a different time zone to Blader of Us list.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It's all work, guys, but it become plain, it's becomplex.
It'd be like what am I doing? But like, seriously,
we love doing what we do, and it's so fitting
for the topic we've chosen today for this episode. Side
hustle culture every day.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I'm hustling every day. I'm hustling every day. Every day.
I'm hustling. No, no, I don't even know what he says,
but I'm like what he says, the way he says, Okay,
yeah five culture. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's different kind of hustle.
(03:25):
We're not not necessarily talking about that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah yeah, g version of hustling. I ain't pushing no peace,
I ain't pushing no drugs. I am just doing something else.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Something else. So, Amanda, what is a side hustle to you?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I think for me, it's just having Like obviously, we
all got our nine to five or we all got
what we went to school for, quote unquote, especially as
Zim kids, we went to do whatever you need a
degree and got a job. This is something you do
literally on the side of that, whether it's something that
brings you money or brings you joy, or you just
do it for whatever reason. It's literally something on the
(04:10):
side of your main hustle, which is just your main
nine to five.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Do you think that's the same for you?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I completely agree, And I'm trying to find just like
you're looking for something. Apparently, the term hustle comes from
It's a late seventeenth century word that comes from Dutch
Hutzalan hustle sinds three of them. Oh, and it dates
back to the early twentieth century. So it's a Dutch
word which means shake or toss, shake or top. Okay,
(04:40):
So I guess what Amanda said about it being not
tied specifically to your regular regular or nine to five,
it implies it just something on the side, just doing
like a side Also, you know how that hus is
doing on the side, and I agree it's not aligned
typically not aligned with what you're studying or what your
(05:03):
full time job would be.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Do you have or have you had something you consider
side hustle.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yes and no. I mean yes, I've worked consulting in
digital marketing, social media management and that kind of thing,
so I've definitely done that. But I also do a
lot of my hobbies but in a hussle way. I
don't know how to explain it. So, for example, this
podcast would be doing the side hustle. I've worked on
(05:35):
other platforms and done other things, so definitely, I think
it's always been something I've done, but I haven't looked
at it necessarily as like, oh, my side hustle. It's
just something I enjoy doing or do on the.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Side, So it's more like to get the creative juices
out rather than the hustle I hope this makes me
money because that's what ends up happening right side.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, exactly, So it's more hobby based. What about your
I mean, I know what your side hustle.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Is, but uh yeah, well definitely my styling business is
what people would probably consider a side hustle, Charlie, when
you're filling out forms, when you're ninety five and you're like,
I got ten minutes, let me quickly do something. Yeah
like it? That is I would definitely have to say
that is a side hustle for me. It's something that
I would in an ideal world where we get everything
(06:23):
we want, it would not be a side hustle. That
would be my main hustle and I will not be
doing my nine to five. But obviously reality is reality,
and it's a side hustle that I one day hope
becomes my hustle. So definitely the podcast, definitely I've done.
(06:43):
It's similar to you. I've done so many little things
here and there to just keep the creative juices going.
And I know a lot of friends who like bake,
A lot of friends who I mean even babysitting when
you want to have money on the side or wedding
up hours. So it's like I get like one of
those things that depends. The reasons will differ, but the
(07:05):
ethos is the same that you're doing something apart from
your main income.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
For sure, and obviously something that is it's become a
hot hot thing, hot take. Like everyone wants to talk
about side hustles and all that, like what's your side hustle?
Why is there increasing pressure for having a side hustle?
Like people like, what's your hussle? What's your side hustle?
Like why do you think that's.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I mean, definitely being Zimbabwean, it's economic. You know, if
you're a teacher by trade for example, and what will
you get paid? Peanuts? So you can't be then just
relying on that, you know. Then that's why people do
their chicken project or their baking project or whatever events.
So I think it's just a lot of it ends
(07:51):
up being economic. I mean even in the broader world
or the Western society cost of living crisis, right, so
people people want to have things and do things and travel,
and sometimes that can't all come from the one pocket,
the one pot, so people then try and make another.
I think that's why there's an increasing pressure. But I
also think there's this thing of being seen always to
(08:13):
be working, working hard, you know, not just sitting down,
not just relaxing. So it then perpetuates this whole you
need to be doing your ninety five and then after
ninety five need to come home and keep going like
you just keep work, work, work, work, work, right, for.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Sure, And I think we'll talk about the drawbacks in
a little bit, but it's so right. And I think
for people who are like yourself and I we always
talking about this, who are doers, it can be a
problematic mindset you have because it's like there's no off switch.
And I totally agree. I think that the pressure is
(08:50):
real from an economic standpoint. I was reading how the
hassle culture started in the seventies with you know, the
technological revolution as a in you could do more, faster, quicker.
Then of course, by the time computers became a thing,
it's like you're on the grind now, it's like you're grinding, grinding.
(09:11):
But for me, as you talked about Zimbabwe, I also
thought about it's I think it's historic right because it's
like black people have been excluded in mainstream economies in
a lot of or certain professions. You know, growing up
you'd see my tach shops someone selling a little something
on the side. So it's not necessarily like brand new,
(09:34):
just like kale is not brand new to Zimbabwe. It's
just putting it out there. We've been knowing. We've been
a meal prepping ain't new. We've been known about that,
like you know, recycling ain't new. We could go on,
but I think it's been an integral part of our
culture and system just for survival, like.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Literally yes, yes, and educational levels too. And I remember,
I mean we would look at maybe so much our generation,
but definitely like our parents and older. You could only
be a nurse, you could only be a teacher. So
then if you because of a colonial rule, so if
you're not going to be a nurse, not going to
be a teacher, then what else can you do? So
then it became like informal sector became bigger and bigger,
(10:17):
you know, selling selling food or selling tomatoes, whatever it
is to just pay for school feasons. A lot of
people have been raised by side hustle culture. Absolutely, you know,
it's not such a oh yeah, you know because most
formal sectors in these countries are not working properly, so
people have look elsewhere at all.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And and actually a lot of people earn more from
the side hustle than a man already spoke spoke about
like you actually make more. Whether it's legal or not,
that's now your business with yourself and the tax man.
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, do you think social media pushed it? Though? To me? Though,
like I think longer I went and yeah, because influence
has a side hackler.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yes, initially, typically yes, initially it's.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right before brands start approaching you and stuff. A lot
of them are working nine to five, and then they decide, okay,
now I'm actually making more money off TikTok or off
YouTube or off I think.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think social media has just made it look more glamorous,
and so the dream of like ooh, you two can
live like this, which always this is the what's the
thing conspiracy theory in me, it's like, why are they
letting us black people live glamorous lives and like lux lives?
Now all of a sudden, when they were holding us back,
must be they hadn't someone else there, something else, But
(11:41):
that's a conversation there than we do. They got exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
They still got.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
More, but absolutely it's it's social media has made it
more you know, acceptable and attractive because not everyone wants
to side hustle selling tomatoes, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, do you reckon everyone's being on that?
Do you reckon everyone's meant to be a hustler?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, My people know because zimbablegans are in the cutthold
of a hustler every day.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Your customers, Yeah, probably a hustler, exactly exactly have you
have you seen this thing that was going around about
jay Z denying his cousin like four thousand, three hundred
US dollars or something, and everyone's like, hey, how could he?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
What?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
What?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And I think he was being interviewed by Kevin Hart
and he mentioned this and all the interview is old,
but then this thing has come up and everyone's like, ah,
I just give him. But it's like that energy, Like
people have all these ideas all the time, but whether
or not they come into fruition is a different story,
(12:51):
you know, So not everyone is kind of made for that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And I feel like, even even though you're a hustler,
the business plan or the the idea still has has
to have some sort of structure, right, You're either gonna
go and buy it, like I said for my Bearet
for example, who Gemma spoke about not last season. You're
gonna go and buy these clothes and then you're gonna
have to have enough money to go and buy another
(13:18):
bail to then go and serve it. And you have
to have the customers you have to have. You have
to compete because you know, my bet, when you go
it's like the whole you know, stretch, and you have
to be like, no, I got the best T shirt
for you when someone's walking past. So it's not like
and not everyone has that. Not everyone has that business acumen,
not everyone has that interpersonal skills. And I think people
(13:41):
just think and then I know Zimbabwe is definitely due
to lack of That's why everyone now does a chicken project.
But the whole ethos of it was that only those
who can really do it should be doing it. You know,
I can go to your ninety five, but not because
there's no ninety five everybody would do.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
It's like when you're driving down the road and it's
mango season. I mean obviously, because but everybody be selling
the same thing. Like nothing differentiate and as a customer,
you're like, what do I choose? But I've noticed even
like the lady near my parents' place. I remember when
I was home in April, I went to buy like
some veggies and some tomatoes, but there was a distinct lady.
(14:23):
She understood business. She was she was quick to reach
out and be like, oh, I can give you this
or whatever then quisa.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Or you know, or even washing your hand thing with
you to wash your hair. Yeah, I enhance and a
plastic bag to carry my veggies home as well.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
It's just like on the basic level, and I don't
think everyone has that. And I saw that and we
spoke about it when I was planning for my Aurora
where it's like you want to support local businesses, but
sometimes local businesses don't want you to support them because
there isn't that culture of like cultivating you know, good
relationships and things like that.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So no, yeah, I think that's the saddest form of
hassler for me, the one who's doing it with no choice, yes,
you know, because then it's like there's no calling to it,
there's no I can do this to it. There is
just I have to exactly when people are stuck in
a corner. A lot of times we don't perform at
our best. Yes, So I think like, yeah, even when
it comes to Haustler's, it's like if you feel like
(15:28):
this or nothing, it's like it loses that like that
authenticity about it.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Then that's when you don't get the plastic bag, when
you buy your mangles.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And you're just like, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
It's angry with you, or you don't have change, my guy,
someone else will be like mamm made change, and that's
going to go exactly exactly difference and get angry with
me exactly, or like the.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Ones you put then nonsense tomatoes at the bottom of
the dish. And then only when you open your plastic
you're like, seriously, you know, repeat customers, you need to
think about the things like she will tell me need
to come. So I don't think everyone's is kind of
wired that way. But what would you say are some
of the benefits to the to the hussle culture or
side hussle culture specifically?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I suppose for me is that the the opportunities are endless,
right as I said before, in Zimbabwe, especially where it's
like education, education, education books, books, books, if you're not
so inclined, then then can be another option for you. Right,
You're not just gonna be like, oh okay, I didn't
become a nurse or a teacher. What do I do now?
(16:34):
They're like, okay, I can do this instead. And also
we have what I like to call our God given gifts,
you know, and it's nice if you can make something
out of them. You know, sorry about bake and they
give you the recipe, Like my child, my cake didn't
turn out. It ain't work, the main thing. So it's like,
(16:55):
why not be given your flowers quote unquote for your talents?
You and I think in informal sectors or even as
you said, a lot of times for black people, we've
been shut out of these formal sectors. It's nice that
it can we have another space where we can operate,
you know, and also breeds creativity. I think people really
(17:18):
I think outside the box more so than ninety five.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And I think it's such a great like you and
I have already mentioned, it's a great outlet, you know,
for those of us who and especially we've talked about
being an African child and the restrictions or the limitations
to what you can do and who you can even
though you know, yes, I have this, you know, I'm
really into fashion and I can see and limited to okay,
(17:46):
but you're studying science. It's like, okay, Yeah, if I
don't get to do what I love off bat, I
will study and get myself that job and then branch
off into that at the Avenue. And it keeps us
live because I think if we don't have those outlets,
you're just like dying. Like this podcast has been such
a reprieve and you know, therapeutic for us definitely when
(18:11):
especially when the pandemic was at its height. You know,
it can really do a lot for you. So I
definitely see.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And like if you think about a lot of the
innovative businesses started out as side hustle. Yes, you know,
it's not like even in the Western world, it's not
like even Amazon and all that's starting people's garages, you know,
they're not just like they're still getting to work and
in the evening they're doing their side hustle hoping it
becomes something.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So I think it just drives innovation, it drives thinking
outside the box. Yeah, there's a lot of benefits to it.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And I think when people do something that they really
are called to. It also shows you that there's a
place for everyone in this world. I feel like sometimes
it's especially in formal sector, can feel very limited. You're
not wanted too this. It kind of says, you know what,
(19:08):
free game. And I think the Internet has been a
blessing in that way to say, actually there's room and
space for you. What you do with that room and space,
now that's your your own issue, but it's just it
just makes it validates you as a human, especially as
minorities or those previously excluded from a lot of these sectors.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, What do you think could be
the drawbacks then, because you're obviously pro we got the
podcast pros exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I think the drawbacks burnout absolutely if you think about
where it's the side hassle isn't your only hussle. You
quickly burnout because when you come home when you're supposed
to be resting, you are working, and it can lead
to an imbalanced life and you have to be very
(19:58):
intentional about taking the time out to rest. I think too,
some of the drawbacks it the pressure. As we've mentioned that,
oh we all need to have side house. What if
I'm not wired then that way, what if the formal sector,
But it seems the world often judges people are how
could you not have a side hustle, you know, we
(20:20):
can't survive anymore on you know, one means of in
one stream of income, you need to have additional income
sources and streams. So that whole culture has definitely led
to a lot of burnout people over working themselves. And
I think that's why as much as side hustole culture
(20:42):
has been propelling forward during COVID and after as these
last few years we've seen the great resignation or the
silent resignation is the silent resis quiet twining, quiet quitting
because people realize it's unsustainable. It often comes at the
(21:02):
cost of your own well being and mental weal.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah. Yeah, And speaking of being unsustainable, I think also financial, yes,
because like sometimes side hustles then require capital and then
people then use their normal hustle to then Now, but
this has to work, you know, and like it loses
that that fun aspect of it. It loses that it's
like make or break right, there's like one of those
(21:26):
that reality show is not a reality show, but whatever
you want. A shark tank where you go on and
you talk about your business and then you get investors, right,
and then it's like that's great and all. But a
lot of the questions they ask is how much money
have you put into this? Yes? You know, and then
they see how liable this viable? And hold the liability
(21:47):
as well of this business because like people with thinking
their houses, people thinking all their pay from the work
for twenty years, then they got one day eureka, I'm
gonna go and do this, and then sun all their
money that they work so hard or into that one idea.
And I think it's just because people have this, it
has to work, it will work, and then they dream big,
which is good, but unfortunately not everyone who dreams big
(22:10):
gets to land where they're you know. So I think
the drawback is that it makes you think, wow, I
can do everything, but can you really? Is it feasible?
You have to do calculated risk to see if this
can work.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's definitely high risk in some regards, like if the
investment is low and roads are high, that's great for you.
But sometimes, as you mentioned, the the risk is high
and then you invest a lot and there's a lot
to lose, which can be challenging. Would you say that
(22:46):
side hustles are a waste of time? I mean I
think I kind of know. But when do you call
it either way like yes or no it's a waste
of time. When do you say, okay, it's a waste
of time, or when do you say no, it's not
a waste of time.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I think for me, saying it's a waste of time
sounds so dismissive, right, I think you need to gauge
at yourself and see if it's worth your time. Okay,
So like it's like, you know, yeah, like what you
said so well about like you you just have to see, like,
(23:20):
am I losing myself in this? Am I burning out
to the point where it's like having said that, launching
a business or anything, you're gonna have a bit of burnout, girl,
You're gonna have a bit of So you now need
to realize how much is too much? Only you know
your boundaries, which we spoke about in our third episode.
Only you know how far you're gonna go. Hopefully your
(23:41):
family are also supportive enough, because you also have to
think of the people. You have this pipe dream and
then there's people around you also. Now I have to
hold you up whilst you're having this dream of I'm
gonna be this, I'm gonna be that, you know. And
that's why I find the side hustles that come from
people's like I want to call it, people's hands made
my walk always say, I think of how to say
(24:02):
it in English. But like you know, cooking or like
doing hair, those side hushles tend to be not a
waste of time for me because it's like you're being
creative with something that.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's tangible, it's visible and ale yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
But when it comes to like doing business business and
like starting on a tech company or something, it's like
a different mindset.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I feel different, mindset different.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I don't know. Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
You so right as you said, you have to know
yourself if you can handle it. And sometimes I think
we don't really think about the cost of it, if
that makes sense, Like yeah, yes, definitely, Oh I can
do it if they can do it too. But everyone
talks about the grind and how tough it is and
(24:52):
how yeah draining it is, and for me, it's not
worth it if you're doing it just because that's what
everyone is doing. We also see it that now in
Zim because the formal sector is very small for you
to get a job or actually make a career for yourself.
People are just like, well, okay, cheatah business, and it's like,
(25:14):
that's not in world in white. I was never wired
that way. So knowing yourself and being honest with yourself
is a big, big thing. And also maybe just have
a hobby. I've seen somewhere where people say, not every
hobby is a side hustle. It's okay, does that a girl? Yes,
just have the hobby. It's all right, yes it it's
(25:34):
not necessary. But I wouldn't say just keep.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It in your circle of influence. And it's all exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
But I wouldn't say a side hustle is a waste
of time. I think it's sustained many families, many communities.
It's necessary. It's been a necessary part of our history
and our modern day age. So we can't discount it
at all.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, and we have to also remember forever and launches
the business. The probably ten other ones that failed, you
know what I mean, like the one that ends up
making it that people know about. There's a few that
they would have stopped started, you know. Lemonade stand when
you're young kids all the way to like all these things.
They also teach you a lot of things that textbooks
and stuff can't teach teach you, you know, approaching people
(26:18):
and trying to have customer service and all that stuff
is it's it's hard to teach. You just have to
experience it and see how it is for yourself. So
it's not always you know, yes, financially people could look
at it like that, but there's other ways we're growing
that are not always financial.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
True, But I think a lot of especially where we
come from, everything is tied to okay, Marie, or what
do you got or what are you able to gain
from this? Unfortunately?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, like what are you doing this for? Like I'm
sure our parents even think, okay, girls, you got a podcast?
And then you feel like it's like what where is
this going? What are you going to be doing a
radio show? Like it has to be going somewhere for
them to be like, oh, okay, you know, not just but
it's like, okay, what if I just enjoy doing something
that's not good enough?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yes and getting answered listen to that advice, so now
you must And it's like and.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
It's like, oh, so you've you've done this business, are
you dispersed it? Because last time I changed, you couldn't
set your tomatoes. Okay, don't now come and tell me that.
But yeah. Thinking about family though, what type of support
(27:36):
would you expect from family and friends when you have
a side hustle.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It's a good question because there's often a debate of
are you expected. Are your family and friends expected to
your clients to expect to be your clients buy from you.
I think the most important support is talking through your ideas,
say you know you can do this, or you know,
share what you're doing, and if they're able to help invest,
(28:05):
that's all well and good. If they're able to support
and purchase, that's all well and good. But you will
have people who will support you from your family and friends.
But I don't think the expectation that erybody is going
to support you, It's impossible. I think it's more to
do with the emotional mental support, sometimes physical. If you
(28:26):
need to package your goods, be like, hey, honey, that
is what we need to be doing, and then they
talk exactly for you, Amanda. As a working mom, if
your side hustle, someone needs to look after Jerome, It's
like okay, and someone saying okay, I will babysit so
and so so. In that way, I think that's really
(28:46):
helpful support connecting you to people saying have you thought
about this? Or you know, sometimes being your champion when
you lose faith in yourself, all those kinds of ways.
Whether or not they buy from you, I don't think
you should take it as a given.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
They don't want to domato because maybe your tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Down the road.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I'm just saying, so.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Let them let them.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I don't think that's been My biggest lesson has been that,
I think in having a side hustle over side business
that my friends and family. Look, it's especially in Zimbabwean culture,
especially in African culture, we tend to be a bit hales.
So it's like, yeah, we need endorsement from other people
(29:38):
to be like, oh, my sister is actually doing something cool,
you know what I mean. Sometimes sometimes we realize it ourselves,
but as the culture this general, we tend not to yes,
you know you like see like Indian people, for example,
once one opens the business, the whole street gonna end
up being you know, and that's they just have that
like they have that business acumen that we I guess
(29:59):
do a lot of reasons we do not have quite
as much. And I find like I think sometimes when
I walked into my business, I expected that that everyone
supports me and lifts me up. But then I realized that, yeah,
my friends and family aren't my clients. Like, yeah, it's
great if they do and do become that, but I
(30:20):
shouldn't expect it. It's almost like just expect the worst
and then you know, you get whatever you get as
a bonus. Yes, because then in the day, you in yourself.
You have to be your biggest champion. You have to
be your biggest because in the day, yeah, I can
help you post your stuff, I can take care of Jerome,
but if I can to last minute, you guys to
still be able to make it work.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
You know what I mean exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
So it's almost like it's nice if you have it,
great if you do, but it's not the end of
the world if you if you don't.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And this is a question for the listeners, I really
want to understand, why can we not just support especially
zimbabwek We've alluded to this many an episode, We've touched
on it, and what is it in us as a people?
We really struggle. I just want to understand the cater
(31:11):
ration holeration in the dancery. Okay, we took it and
ran with it, and I don't understand it. It's really
a question. Maybe one day someone will answer it. But
as we continue, at what point do you feel that
the side hustle stops being a side hustle and becomes
the main chick? You know, it's not the sad piece.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
No side piece now and it ends up being financial? Right?
And how much time it's making taking away from your
other stuff that you do, if you're willing to take
the risk, if you're willing to make the jump all
those questions. At some point, it's like your business. And
maybe when it grows beyond your side astle grows beyond you,
maybe when you hire someone else, maybe when you know
(31:56):
room is not just only packing up the packages for me.
Now I'm paid, you're a little bit of the salary salary,
you know, maybe maybe when you pay yourself so like
I think that, yeah, it ends up being financial. I
think in most cases, yeah, sure, when you can sustain
yourself financially in some sort of way you want to do.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Or you can see the that at this trajectory. It
makes sense for me to make it the full time
because not everyone puts the side hustle in the midst
of like it's being you know, more financially profitable than
your nine five. But you can project and see the
trajectory is going on. It requires one time and dedication.
(32:41):
So then I have to say, okay, bye bye, let
me put my full effort into this.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
And yeah, yeah, you have to do the risk analysis
and you see.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
This analysis.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You have to make sure, yeah, you have to see
it's gonna make sense because.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I don't think we are educated in business terms as
a society, let alone as a community Zimbabwean community. It's
not normal to be taught like, okay, do the business plan,
what's the cost benefits? What the risk analysis?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Have you done? What analysis have you? You know, it's
it's kind of just well starting people will be like,
oh my chickens cost three dollars and you're okay, how
did you get to that number? Yes, and it's blinglingk blingling.
It's like okay, how like literally we do not have Yeah,
we just do what something like like the for Zimbove
(33:37):
with especially, we literally just do what someone else is doing.
You know, and it's like, oh this worked for such
and such a should work for me. But so I
guess that just chosen back to not everyone's meant to
be a hassle, because there's no intention with approaching it
that way.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
For sure, I have a question for you. Do you
have what side hassle a part of you your world
or with your family growing up or even now, did
you see it happen?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Definitely, yes, I have to admit, like my parents got
a farm. Before getting farms was like I think you
know what I mean, And then they start selling chickens.
Actually my dad I think was just the ninety five years.
It's like Charlie, I'm fine over her, but my mom
was like I want more, which was always more creative.
(34:27):
So if I remember like dressing chickens and like getting
them ready, then we used to like drop them off
at Zetirapy there's like a depot just outside of town,
and like they yeah, that's that was like a one
client obviously, and it would like stick all these stickers
on them with But like I think she just had
that in her, like I and I think because I
saw her obviously doing the finance thing, but I also
(34:49):
saw her doing that on the weekends. It's kind of
like was like, Okay, you can make this work. I
do not think at any point I obviously will not know,
but I do not think at any point she thought
I'm gonna quit finance and totally do this. But I
think it was there was something in her where it
was like, we have this farm, let's utilize it, you know. Yeah,
(35:10):
And I think I guess because I saw that, I
also had the privilege and the freedom to think, this
is something I can do. So I think a lot
of stuff a lot of times, but don't also think
of it because it comes from fear. We can't do
things we've never really seen represented well. Yes, you know,
and especially in the black community, if you haven't seen
someone doing well with a side hustle, you'd be like,
(35:31):
don't do side hustling because you're just gonna sink your
money and all this stuff. Yeah, But the opposite of
that is it sometimes can wait can work for sure?
What about you?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I definitely thought my mom became a housewife when we
were kids, when we moved to South Africa specifically and
when you moved to ghan and she was really taken
by Bautique printing and all tie and eye and what
sort of you know that thing of like my wife
has her side, you know, just a project to keep
(36:04):
her busy. I really think that's how it started out.
But my mom really ran with it and started. She
went to different courses and by the time we moved
back to Zimbabwe, it was a business she started for herself.
When we were back home, they even updated a certain
portion of the home so she could have the screen
printing and the TI dyeing. She you cell and she
(36:28):
had a shop at sam Levey's village at some point
and so on and so forth. Then I think when
my parents got their farm, that kind of had to
be sidelined and she had to focus on helping. And
then she also went on courses like farming pigs, farming this.
So she was and right now she started a new
hustle which she does in the city with chickens and
(36:52):
it's growing. She started off small and then now you know,
catching up, getting bigger, more clients. And I really think
women are good at side.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Huss said, have you seen that women and women are
the ones really on the backbone of side hustle culture.
A lot of times people will tell you. I put
my kids through school, waking up early to go and
sell my flusit like seriously, because we also we have
no pride.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I was going to say, women are not afraid to
to to do what is deemed as low.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Even going to England to be nurses and whatever. That
is also a side hustle at the time because at
the time when all this nursing stuff started, cos these
jobs that are going started, the care work, all this
stuff that started, the men need to be convinced, and
the women went and would be like, Okay, how many men.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Up, Yes, exactly exactly so.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And I think that's what I was saying before. We're
alluded to before that you can't think it's beyond you,
you can't make it, take it personally. You just have
to do what you need to do. You know what
I mean for sure? And yeah, do.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
What she needs to do it it's inspiring. And I
think I definitely get my creative side from my mom.
I think my dad has a creative side on in
his own tip like visually he sees things esthetically a
certain way, and I think I get that from him.
But my mom definitely, and she also has I can't
do She's like, figure it out, bright and.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Which I?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Which I? And she's not an overthinker like me. I
think that's what really propels her on some of us.
I'll be doing the cost benefits, lashdown run. I'll be like,
what's the cost benefit, what's the ratest, what's the the
you know which sometimes can you know inhibit you paralysis analysis.
I'll just drop that in there because we're gonna get
(38:47):
to that a little treat at the end of the episode.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah. So any advice though, how to navigate this space.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I think that when it comes to side hushold culture,
you need to do something that you stand tent toes
down behind. It needs to be something that you can believe,
at least from what I have witnessed. It needs to
be something that it pushes you. Honestly, though some people
(39:23):
succeed in businesses that maybe they don't care about, knew
nothing about before and all that. But you need to
be confident in it, and Santano's down that you can
do it. It's about a self belief and always think
about what can what something different I can bring to
the table that would be availume to people, and who
(39:45):
are my clients who's my audience and why should they
care about what I have to say or do or
provide them. I don't know what advice you are really
in the side.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I definitely I think we also need to remember that
we're in positions of service, you know what I mean.
When you have your business, especially when you're in the
grassroots level, you don't have twenty people working for you.
So don't act like you do child like you know
what I mean, Like, just humble yourself, be there for
your clients. Like all we're talking about about the people
(40:19):
who run to go and get changed or give your
plastic bag or give you a bit of suce with
your mango. Yes, wash your hands, like, just be in
a season of service, yes, because that just keeps growing
and growing. And people then do do word of mouth
because you treated them well? Do word of mouth because
they see your talent. You know. I hate it when
(40:41):
you see hairdresses and they make you wait four five hours,
they cancel on you the day before, they do all
of this. Yes, we need your services, of course, but
make me want to come back, yes, you know, make
me not go look at me? You also does it,
because come on, we're not unique. We all if you
look you even these days with the internet, if you
(41:02):
look for one hairdresser, you'll find tens, you know what
I mean. So it's like, what makes you, as you said,
what makes you stick out? What's your little extra to
make your extraordinary? What's that little say that that makes
you think, Okay, only room we can do my hair?
You know, only room we can sell me these tomatoes?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So it's like, I think we lose that and and
nowadays we just think if you don't want to do
with my time or no, like we're we're in a
season of service to our time.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
And repeat customers are really valuable because the effort to
gain new customers is so much harder as opposed to
someone I trust. I trust Amanda, and I'm going to
ask you every time to help me with my starling.
If you didn't know Amanda is a stylist, we might
have some new listeners over years.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
So she like what if that's what she does?
Speaker 3 (41:59):
And also for shoots, and she also does consultations.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Why we're friends like these, how can I fail?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
We need to know we met, Let them let them know,
let them she's you know, she's got a certification from
the Australian Institute Styling Institute Institute. She she got it,
she got got it. That's an she'd be educated educated
and she also got the style. And if you want
to see some of her work for my wedding.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
And styling, she gonna be way too much credit. You
got that, I your mom.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I definitely got it. But she just also added obviously
her little time. Remember the photographer, I know we're digressing.
Remember the photographer for my check wedding. We laid out,
you laid out the dresses and so including my mom's dress.
I think my mom had moms.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Dress our dresses, yes, yes, and then your beauty is
waiting dress.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
He was like, who who styled this? And I was
like and he was so sure he was sugar, And
I was.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Like these check people now let him now. He was
like okay, he was really sure. We digress, but like, yeah,
we digress. But also maybe that's another point of advice.
Be your biggest cheerleader in the room. Like I remember,
like I went to the seminar and like Americans are
so good with self promoting, like we were. It was
like a podcast thing and they were like, you know,
(43:29):
even when someone's a guest on a podcast and make
it sound like they owned the podcast, you know, like
Australians have told Poppy syndrome. You know, don't be seen
being too you know, egotistical, but it's like it's a
mixture of both. Don't be like a nose about it.
But at the same time, also let people know this
is what I do. I can help you. I can
advertise yourself a little bit for sure.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
And you know the ones who are confident, so what's up?
Aunties and uncles, they just be sending you there thing
and I just sign up to know I'm not auture.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
But WhatsApp that's coming clutch with those business blah blah blah,
because now you know what do you need the website
for what do you need? Like it's such a good
informal sector because people can put their photos of their
cakes and they're stapping. You're like bless us, you know,
like for roombes, for roombs are hands in her We
had one of my girls that I know from ZIM
(44:22):
and she literally when I got her number, I just
saw the platters she had to offer. It was just
so easy and I thought, WhatsApp.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
It's really helpful for those that's good advice. And man,
get your nice profile my photos because even business cater
the caterer for Rota, like the snacks after the blessing,
before the mail, it was just on what tapp. I
just looked. I was like, Okay, that sounds good. Even
the cake lady like it helped goes a long way
(44:51):
and I loved them even to these this day, like
my makeup artists and ZIM and the promo on on WhatsApp.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
She just themn like get your get your work, work work.
I also realized that there is work behind it. Be
ready to work, be ready to show up and show
out and make people remember you in a good way.
Yeaes for sure.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
She was actually and she had behind the scenes that
came like she was just wanting. Sheign yes, brought her
formal makeup chair.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I was like, okay, you know what we need to
do a whole list and just like real advertise all
those girl because they're doing things and they've been doing things.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Hayman class make up by patience. If you wanted to know,
justh God, this has been so so refreshing and I
thoroughly enjoyed this conversation this topic. We hope you've enjoyed
talking about it. But before we go, before I let
(45:56):
you go.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
For our fiftieth episode, ROOMBI, what do we have for
the peoples we have.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
So excited talking about, you know, hustling fiftieth episode, we
have launched our website. Yes, finally, five seasons in. Yes,
might be late for some of y'all, but it's right
on time for us.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
We have our perfect timing.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
For perfect timing, we have our website. It's at www
dot It's late podcast dot com. Why are website, Amanda,
what's the point? Why should they care?
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Well? Our tagline is delve deeper, right, So what better
way to do that than to get to know us more,
get to know more about our episodes, get to know
more about our thoughts, get to share as a community.
Than having a website, it's like the perfect landing page
to just to just be as one. You know we will.
(46:56):
This episode is a perfect example of that. We're big
supporters of sharing things. And I've learned this, what if
you learned? Let's come together, let's chat about it. The
ethos of ours of our podcast, and so the thought
the website is just the perfect way to bring all
them thoughts into one, don't.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
You completely, absolutely, and we'll be will we're blogging again,
Amanda and I, so we'll be sharing a bit of
you know, some of the things that we want to
talk about. You can also subscribe so that you get
the latest information first. We're just so excited to just
take it to the next step. You know. One thing
(47:36):
about Side Hustles is I think progression for us as
individuals and as a duo with this podcast is so important.
So we constantly surprise to some or not. We constantly
ask ourselves like what else can we do? But we
also try to grow in a sustainable at a sustainable
rate because we know that we have a lot going
(47:58):
on in our lives, so we we obviously don't want
to start something and then you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
And also to make it our episodes somewhat more accessible
as well, Like I mean, if you're gonna be jumping
off Spotify or Apple Podcasts or any of the places
where you get your podcasts normally, it's nice for us
to have our catalog elsewhere somewhere where we own as
well as black women, very very important for us to
own our own stuff. And the website is a perfect
(48:29):
place because it's it's ours. I mean, hey, who knows,
one day we might just be like, oh the episodes
on the podcast and podcast only, yeah only, you never know,
so that could be our growth, that could be our goal.
But definitely check it out, tell us what you think.
Subscribed and right along on this journey with us for sure.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
So that's our ZIM shout out to be shouting out ourselves.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yes we can, Okay, bet on ourselves half that we
are every day. Yeah, but we're upside.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Oh my gosh, so shout out. Please check us out.
Will leave all the information in the show notes, and
also shout out to all our listeners, all our new listeners,
everyone who dms us.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
We see you.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
We appreciate you, seriously, seriously, like we keep hitting different
milestones and as we said earlier, the little podcast that could,
and we keep coulding.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
So we're greateful that we keep going. At some point
we're not going to be the little podcast anymore. We're
gonna just be like, Okay, we appreciate the journey. Fifty
episodes is no joke. There's blood, sweat and tears behind
these episodes. We do our episodes with intent because we
we wanted to provide something that we were looking for
as well, you know, And and we're so happy that
(49:59):
you guys are engage with us, engaging with the content,
engaging with the guests that we have this season, our
Barbie season Barb. So please keep cheering this episode fifty today,
but the other rest of the season is coming along
and you've still got many more surprises for you.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Absolutely, thank you so so much. Thanks, and thank you
for listening, tuning in, share it with your friend, your
friend's friends, your auntie, your uncle, whoever you think can
enjoy this episode and all our previous episodes. And we
will see you guys on the next one. Take care everyone, bye.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
We will tell you lack a purple
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Talk no no, no, yeah yeah yeah yeah
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