May 4, 2025 • 28 mins
On this episode, we sat down with ‘Undone the Podcast’ Host, Kudzai Dune to talk all things ‘community building’. From dealing with migration trauma, developing relationships as adults, to why it’s so difficult to build community as people of colour which inhibits the collaboration we need to move forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How do you think we do as zimbabwins in building
community and supporting each other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Way that we're like programmed where there is a competitiveness,
like there's only room for one person. You have migration trauma.
I have migration trauma. It's affecting how we're relating in
the household, how we're relating in community workspaces.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
All that kind of stuff. But we're not having the conversation.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Even though we can watch like twenty rom coms with
twenty different white chicks for us to take that one actress.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You know that we all know that one musician. We
all know.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
I'm always always be careful.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Love those Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Rumbi. Welcome to
It's Layered Podcasts.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We're a part of the Black Past Network powered by
iHeart and today we're recording in studio in Melbourne.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You're at the beautiful Bittersweet studio set up by Pink
Lady Picnics. We have such an amazing episode for you
guys with someone really excited about a fellow Zimbabie.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Okay, we're gonna give a brief bio and then we're
gonna let you guys get to know why we're so
excited to have Kudzai here of undone the podcast, Come
on kud Zaid no nah. It's a mental health advocate,
podcast host and public health professional passionate about fostering meaningful
conversations and driving positive change within the African diaspora.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We're all about that, you know that.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Originally from Zimbabwe, becuz I's migration journey to England and
later to Australia has deeply informed her perspectives on mental health, migration,
trauma OOH, and the importance of culturally sensitive support systems.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Her work highlights the importance of representation, collaboration like what
we're doing today in addressing mental health challenges within migrant
and refugee communities, whether through her podcast and done the podcast,
community initiatives, or public speaking. Because Thi's mission is to
build bridges, challenge stigmas, and uplift the voices of those
(02:18):
often overlooked.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Welcome to the podcast. Not your bio makes it feel like,
you know, around this world, I listening to us like.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Chiud of you because wow, wow, wow, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm doing the things grinding.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Already for myself, but for real we really.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Because you know, the theme of the season. Season six
is really a love letter to women women of color,
just because I think sometimes life's so hard, like we're
just going hard, hard, hard, and we need to take
a setback. And I think through your work, through your podcast,
you're really shining a light on some of the things
we go through. And we'd love to learn a little
(03:05):
bit more about how you would describe your podcast and
how you got into it, Like when were you like,
you know what I'm I actually go on pressplate, I.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Do it, Okay, So I describe it as it's like
a mental health podcast, I guess, but the conversations are
very like the tagline is holistic and intergenerational conversations, so
like holistic in the sense that yes, sometimes we will
talk about like substance use and like depression therapy all
(03:33):
that kind of stuff, but then other times, like there's
one podcast episode I was thinking about today, I was like,
I want to listen to that again because.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
It makes me feel so smart to listen to it,
where my friend.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And I talked about how as people of color and
like Africans in the diaspora, sometimes engaging with what's social
media activism can be really complicated. And such a like
difficult field to navigate because it's like every day I'm
showing up at work, I'm showing up in all these
different spaces. I'm already all that. Yeah, and then now
(04:04):
I have to be like an activist on social media too,
so people believe I'm about what I'm about, Like this
is a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
So yeah, I love that episode.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
She's so intelligent and so smart and I've just spent
the whole episode just listening to her. So like that's
another way that we discuss like mental health in like
a general like what does it look like day to day?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Not just very clinical.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And then intergenerational because I've been blessed with a community
of old people who love talking about this kind of stuff,
well versed in this kind of stuff, and I think
those conversations are important because there often is a disconnect
between I guess the younger generation and the older people.
And in like your migration, you have migration trauma, I
(04:48):
have migration trauma. It's affecting how we're relating in the household,
how we're relating in community workspaces, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
But we're not having the conversations like yeah, or if
we are having the conversations. It's like, but yeah, but
what's your problem. You grew up here, you have it's
so easy. You didn't have to get it there, Like
you shouldn't be depressed. It's like, okay, it's not that easy.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah, So for you it was quite important to documents, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I think that's what it was in the new season.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I don't really have official seasons kind of vibes, but
I keep talking about how I think the African Australian
community is a young diaspora community and we have the
privilege of being able to learn from America and the
UK and kind of taking what's worked for them hasn't
worked for them, but also understanding that we're our own community,
(05:35):
we're our own makeup. People have migrated here under different
circumstances to both of those communities, and so we're like
in the building stage, yeah, and so getting to be
a part of that and I guess documenting what that
looks like and how we move forward and people who
Another big thing is like spotlighting people who are doing
amazing work within the community, where I'm like, look, we
(05:56):
have some really dope African Australians, Like did you know
about this most so yeah, yeah, and I love that,
you know.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
And it's so funny because the other day Rumbia and
I went out and it was like I'm a piano
afrobeat situation and I was like, she was like, oh
my gosh, you known Prague still budding if at all?
And I was like, girl, first it was not like
this when I say, and then now to see the
journey and now it's the norm because you said oversaturated
(06:23):
and now we're like, which one do you go to?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I don't feel like it. Yeah, you know, so there
is we do get.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
To a certain destination, but it is intentional work. And
I think like when people were coming over and bring
our music and our culture and our and like now
we're reeping the benefits.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So I agree with you that collaboration is important to you,
especially like I guess from my lens where I'm coming
from Prague, it's like also talking to each other and
working with each other and engaging each other. Sometimes I
feel it can be very siloed. And I saw that
when you know, the war in Ukraine started and we're
trying to help Africans, do you don't get out and
(07:01):
Africans was stuck in Ukraine and it was very much
like there wasn't really a like we weren't uniting, And
so I think it's gonna it takes that kind of
collaboration and working together to me, because why do you.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Think it's difficult for us to build community, especially as
people of color?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Oh, asking the questions, I think, Oh, what would I say?
I think there's a lot of preconceived notions that we
have about each other. Tribalism is huge, and then now
(07:44):
you're thinking about like even in terms of countries and
like how that plays into it.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So I think that definitely plays a part. I also
think like we're just trying to survive half the time,
Like people are just trying to make money, go to work,
look after relatives back home. But that's what they're doing.
Like people are trying to survive. So then does the
whole as well as hierarchy if needs like you're just
trying to take care of your basically before you get
to this other stuff like community.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Like what what?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But not realizing that community also is very important and
it helps you.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, For me, when I watched the documentary on the
Blue Zones and how and I read Ikey Guy a
book around you know, essentially having a whole and fulfilled life.
It talks about how integral community is. And you know,
we grew up where it was naturally a thing. We
(08:36):
had community, right you go Kumusha, you'd see grandparents, you
see your cousins. And then as we've dispersed and become
the daspora and gone to different places, it's less of that. Right,
But you have to be intentional about building community because
what you know, the documentary and the book highlighted was
that that is how you live well and longer because
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these older people in these blue zones have like friends
that they can depend on, who support them, who all
this thing. And it's like, wow, we should not underestimate that,
like it really helps you live a life of longevity.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So so we don't come from like individualistic culture, like
that's not that's not what the norm was like even
when we lived in UK. I remember my parents would
be like, anyway, you're going to your grandmars or school holidays,
by you're going to this antipot becausin the school holidays
will see.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You when you get back, Like that was the vibe.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And then now you come here and I'm like, oh,
I have like one cousin here, like.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
How messed do you think we can build community as
especially creatives. So we had the privilege of being on
undone the podcast Amanda, and I think we both left
that recording feeling like, Wow, you are such a great.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Communicator.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
You are inquisitive, you are empathetic, and you go there
because we talked about things we spoken them up before,
but from a different lens, and then other aspects you
managed to bring up.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
So you're clearly very good at this. This is basically
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You wait out for this episode, but could you tell us,
like how you've gone about it or how you think
the best way to go about building community as creatives.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Those I think it starts with understanding that you have
your audience and you have your people, so don't like
I think there's like a poverty mindset, especially in the
creative space, where people like, no, we can't collaborate, No
we can't do this, No I can't promote that because
then like I won't have people or you're gonna And
I was like, no, everyone, even if we are doing
(10:37):
the same thing, like well, also girls doing podcast about things,
but we have different audiences, we do it in different ways,
like there's enough food at the table.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
So yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
It's starting with not thinking that there's like limited resources
and like audience out there. And also I've always been
like a fangirl, like that's my thing. I cheerlead everyone
like I'm just like so supportive, And I think that
makes a huge difference because the people who are usually
going to creative fields usually our overthinker.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Is really critical the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And so if you're able to see something that someone
is doing and they're doing it well and you point
that out and you celebrate them, like they're like, oh,
like people know that You're really like you see me,
you see me like doing what I'm doing, and it's like, oh,
now I see you, and then yeah, you kind of
find your people.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I think the tokenism thing is real. Like people we
probably grew up in communities were it was like, ah,
that one is the thinger that one, yeah, and then
no one else. Right, And even though we can watch
like twenty rom coms with twenty different white chicks, for us,
it's like that one actress you know that we all know,
that one musician we all know. So I think our
generation has really pushed against that. Yeah, and we want
(11:47):
variety and even yes, if you're talking about the exact
same topics, but you're going to do them naturally, going
to do them in different ways. So even with us
like you reaching out, us reaching out to you, it's
been such a beautiful thing for us as well, because
it's like, you know, we really do have a community,
and we need to. Even coming into Bittersweed Studio, the
amount of other people guests we had, we were like,
oh my gosh, think of Bittersweet studios when I think
(12:09):
of studios. So it's like that, right, you're throwing your
name in the ring. And also you don't know where
we wish rooms. We will enter which rooms you will,
And so for a community, we can always be like,
oh that job is not really for me, but I
know someone else. You know, that's how the white folks
do literally thousand like why can't we just do this
people baby thing?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's not you guys know, people stay helping each other,
like I might not be the best person, but I
know we posted you have something someone lady, Yeah, but
I think, yeah, it's just like a weird things like no,
and then we get so stingy, like it's like, no,
(12:49):
I'll do it even if you can't do it to
the best of your ability, if you know you can
do it, but it's someone who can do it better,
just letting.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
You. That's what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That's what I always I want to just latch onto that
and say, how do you think we do as Zimbabweins
in building community and supporting each other.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You've got the mic. You're so rude for that.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's just like, I don't know what you want to take.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Please, so sticky one. I'm like, how do I keep
it politically correct?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
In my experience, that's a great place to start in
my experience former time. In my experience, I don't know
if it's like a societal cultural like way that we're
like programmed where there is a competitiveness like there's only
(13:49):
room for one person at the table, like there's only
room for and I think we haven't always been good
at collaboration to take it there and make it deeper,
because you know, my.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's what's up.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We have to consider like the I guess the societal
and economic landscape that our parents were growing up in
and how I guess there was usually only room for
one black person in that room or whatever, and so
that's just became something that became ingrained and then they've
in not.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Looking back and being like does this still serve me?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
We have this whole running analogy about like toolboxes, and
it's like sometimes you also have to look in your
toolbox and be like, Okay, this tool was necessary for
this season.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Is it going to serve me in this season?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Like?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Do I need to get rid of it? Do I
need to upgrade it? What do I need to do?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And so that's one of those things that we haven't
examined to be like, Okay, there's a point in time
that whereas like that's just how you had to survive
and dive. But now that we're not in that environment,
do I still need to be the only black person
at a table in a conversation? Can I help someone else?
Can I inact someone into this? So that's what I'd.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Say, And I say that I don't want to just
throw you into the to the lions Den, but I
say that in the work you're doing and the way
you're moving in this world, you are showing that actually, guys,
we can collaborate, we can work together.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And actually it works a lot better when you do.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Like you know, so put us to you. I was
bringing it back. I was just going to launch you
after I was leaving. Not at all, Not at all.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
How supportive were your family and friends when you started
your podcast or with any of your creative endeavors.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
How supportive of they being?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Remember you had to ask how I started the podcast
and twenty twenty it was a COVID.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And then it died.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It started twenty twenty, stayed in twenty twenty, and then
my friends and family were like, when are you bringing
the podcast back?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
When is it coming back? I was like, guys, it's
not that simple. It's not that easy.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's a lot of word and I think I was
unsure if my've I had become unsure of my voice
in the process, and so it relaunched at the end
of twenty twenty three. Actually, and I think I just
knew a lot more about the direction I wanted to
take it and in my voice. And so to answer
(16:05):
your question, my friends and family were so supportive. My
mom watches every like, now that we're on YouTube, she'll
put it on the TV. My sister, my mom watched
the podcast when I first started it. They were always
the first ones to listen, or I'd let them listen
before I had launched it, because I guess at the
time the conversations that I was having in like the
(16:26):
initial episodes, I was like, I want to make sure
that you guys don't feel any type of way about it,
because they were so raw and vulnerable. I didn't want
people to approach them in the community and be like,
do you know your daughter's talking about this. I wanted
them to be able to stand tento's on the decision
I had made and be like, no, we support her,
we back her.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Well, no, we don't agree, but that's fine, that's what
she's doing.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So they'd listen. They loved everything. It's not like I
was having conversations we hadn't had. I always say my
love for it started from the conversations we had at
the dinner table because they're both mental health nurses, so yeah,
they've all They are so supportive.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
My friends are so supportive.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
My last the event we did was such a success
because my friends came and they ran with it, like
I got to my own event forty five minutes before
it started. Like they said, uh, they hosted everyone. So
I've been so blessed with the great.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Community and I know how un natural. It's so lucky
my parents. It was just launched.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, tell us more about those debate. Nice, you just
spoke about hosting events. Tell us more about where did
that come from? Sony wanted to do an event. I
was like, what am I going to do? What do
I feel like encompasses the brand? Well, the podcast is
called undone. I'm like, more than a debate, Like it
just makes sense.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You get there, you hear people arguing, you leave with
a different perspective like this makes sense.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I'm like, well, what are we going to talk about?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And specifically in community, I felt like our interaction with
the justice system and the narrative, like when they talk
about African gangs and stuff, a lot of that stuff
is coming out of Victoria. Yeah, but that's broadcasted nationally
when all the different things that they're talking about, and
so I was like, I feel like that's an important
conversation to have. The conversation ended up being a whole
bunch of it became everything.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Everyone was like.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Anyway, now that we're here, and I was like, Okay,
I see how they all connect into this affair.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So yeah, that's what that was.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
The second one is coming up, or it might have
come out to any with this year comes out, but
it'll be a continuation of that convass of that the
initial debate in the conversation that was had there, but
less problems focus, the more solutions focused. So like okay,
and the first debate it was raised about like economic
(18:44):
like progress where we're at as a community in Australia
where people are sitting what the disconnects between those who
are like making it economically and how they then stop
trying to help and work collaboratively with everyone else who
might still be in like the house, like public housing,
all that kind of stuff, like how do we make
it better for everyone? It's like, okay, cool, that was
brought up. What do we say is the way forward?
(19:06):
Who is responsible for this? Are we saying that onness
is on the government? Are we saying it's a community? Yes,
it's gonna be very much more.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Solutions, but wow, do you even start planning a debate?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
How do you how natural?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I'm not sure, br because I mean, we we performed
Live and Beyond the Valley, and as much as it
was such a good experience and we love and we
might even want to do more.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
There was a bit of like, oh my gosh, this is.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
So different, so different, and yeah, plan and to plan
for something you can't plan, you know what I mean
truly because they can't stop butting it like, let's rewind,
let's cut that out.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
There's an audience. Yeah, let's cut that out. That's not
what you put on the internet. People know. Yeah on
the day.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, but where did I start? I didn't know where
I started. I did it without money, either because I
thought I was going to get a grant or something
gonna like I was going to play.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
No.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I was like, okay, cool, so I still want to
do this. How are we going to do it? I
just did it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I started with the venue we use, a bittersweet studious,
and yeah, everything else kind of fell into place. I
think I knew the kind of conversation I wanted, so
I was curating everything around that. Same with this time around,
We've gone for a bigger venue, which I think is
I feel so crazy. I'm like, I think I'm we're
(20:28):
aiming for a hundred Wow, that's a small wedding. Am
I doing planning a small wedding, but yeah, I know
the kind of conversation I want to have, So everything
gets curated around that, like what kind of space allows
us to have that conversation where it doesn't feel like
you're watching Q and A on TV. So Bittersweet was
like everyone said, it felt intimate, it felt like you
(20:49):
were engaged, you could be. So I was like, okay,
I want to keep that same feeling. And then even
with panelists like I knew people, but I was like, again,
I know how I want the conversation to feel. I
can't predict what the conversation is going to be, but
I know how I wanted to feel. So I was
like thinking, Okay, what personalities do I.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Think went well together?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And then honestly the rest I loved it and'ttinue my guys,
And see, I.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Have to give you kudos.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I think a lot of people think podcasting, debating life
for whatever it is, is easy. They see't think, oh yeah,
I can know that you know and you know. But
I think kudos to you even the way you answered
and you said I just I just did it. But
it's not There is lots of blood, sweat and tea
and fellow creatives can certainly understand and appreciate, and when
(21:40):
we bring those content to you and for you, please
know that it's come from a place for yeah, sleepless
nights and yeah, thinking and reading. So kudos for pushing
past you know. Can't wait for the second one.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you because we're talking about
building community, yes, And I think we touched on it
a little bit when we had our Zoom call prior
to you know, when we're planning all this.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Building community in the sense.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Of creating friendships in adulthood, and I think we just like.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Lightly, I would love for you because you just.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Have such an infectious energy about you and you just
have like a radiating light and positivity honestly, and even
as you spoke about you know, you had these conversations
with your parents at the dinner table before you which
ended up in being the root for your podcast, I
was like, wow, Like that takes a certain type of
(22:36):
family upbringing which we didn't always have. And then like
seeing you, like how do you move and create friendships
and connections at this age because that's something that people
often talk about how hard it is, you know, to
do that at this age, especially when you're moving around exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So I grew up in like regional Queensland, Okay, growing up,
we left UK. I came here when I started high school.
So I grew up in a regional Queensland. The African
community was small, it was tight knit. So I went
from like my family community to another community that it
was really opening, was really open and welcoming, and that
community is still to this day so supportive, so loving.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Like we all kind of say we grew up.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Together, like all the kids like you, We all just
know each other. So I think there's always been that
theme of knowing the importance of community and what community
can do and how community can show up for you,
the my parents' friends, and then I guess our family,
because we're all somehow involved with mental health. However, we're
(23:42):
all on this journey of healing, and so I think
I've learned that yes, we can get wounded in communities,
but we also get healed in community and when the
community is healing as well, bars which I think is
part of why the podcast was started. So I'm like, Okay,
I know the important of community, and I like this
is something that is a core value for me. Like,
(24:03):
I want to be a part of community. Who am
I letting into my community? Who am I letting be
a part of my world? So I had friends, I
had a core group of friends. I still have friends.
Sorry still the same person said no, if we didn't
cut them off, I still have the friends.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But then I moved to Melbourne. I literally remember praying.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I was like, God, give me the heart to want
to make new friends because I'm good like long distance.
I need to focus on how to be a long
distance sister daughter this friend, Like, I don't want to
be making new friends, but I also know I need
on the ground community, So like, how do I go
about that? And then I came here and I think
it was just it's not always easy, But I think
(24:43):
it was easy because I knew like a couple people,
and I was just going to spaces that I enjoyed,
Like I enjoyed poetry, I enjoyed community events, I enjoyed
music stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I would go there.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
After a while, you kind of end up seeing the
same people and of the vibe vibe with him.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, although the ones who were closest to me.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yes, I think you guys are going to interviewed her later,
I remember we met at an event and she was like,
I've seen you before.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I was like, no, I'm literally two months into living
in Melbourne. You have not seen me. And then we
hung out that night. We're like at an art being exhibition.
And then at the end of the night she was like,
we're going to be friends, and I was like, I
don't except your much not to say the same thing.
And we've been friends ever since. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I kind of feel like if vibe attracted your tribe,
but I also feel like, I guess that might be
like a cop out, but.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
No, it's true.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And I think if you're open, I think if you're
like there's no one here, I'll never you never.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
And and interest based too, you know you have that
is your foundation takes notes.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So as we wrap this beautiful time up with you,
any I mean, you've already talked about this debate coming up,
but upcoming projects for twenty twenty five that you want
to share, share about your podcast where people can find
it all the good pleased you know, all the good stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Let us know. Okay, Yeah, there is the debate that's
coming up.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Every twenty seconds, I have a couple other stuff in
the works, but nothing is like set it deep.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, I don't even those people that moves in silence.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
If you put money in my account, I can tell
you because now the dream can become a reality fact
I should be sharing. Yeah, I'm like, I'm dreaming, but
I can't share anything because I don't have the money
in my count I will let you know.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
What we're working on like that.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
But what about the first debate If people want to
like wrap their heads around that before the second debate,
where could they? Yes, so we are on Spotify and
Apple podcasts, and I think yeah because YouTube and Google
became the same thing as Undone the podcast on Instagram,
as undone the podcast.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
On our YouTube.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
We have like a seven minute trailer of like some
of the what I thought were like highlights from the
last debate of things that were said. And then we
also have like for audio like start to finish. We
didn't cut anything out, nothing else, so like we had
audience participation.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
We had and it got heated at some point like
ran it raw.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So yeah, well, thank you so so much for coming
over and spending time with us. Thank you for the
love and like you know, We thoroughly enjoyed being on
your podcast, so please listen out. If it's not out already,
listen look out for it because we had we had
a time. Okay, we had a time. And that is
it for another episode.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Of It's later.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yeah, thanks for coming you, like really, it's like your energy,
your vibe. It is very infectious and I think just
keep doing what you're doing. The bank account will will
fill out.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Equivalent. Okay, yeah, been more equivalent.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Don't catch you soon. Good Bye,
How do you think we do as zimbabwins in building
community and supporting each other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Way that we're like programmed where there is a competitiveness,
like there's only room for one person. You have migration trauma.
I have migration trauma. It's affecting how we're relating in
the household, how we're relating in community workspaces.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
All that kind of stuff. But we're not having the conversation.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Even though we can watch like twenty rom coms with
twenty different white chicks for us to take that one actress.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You know that we all know that one musician. We
all know.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
I'm always always be careful.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Love those Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Rumbi. Welcome to
It's Layered Podcasts.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We're a part of the Black Past Network powered by
iHeart and today we're recording in studio in Melbourne.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You're at the beautiful Bittersweet studio set up by Pink
Lady Picnics. We have such an amazing episode for you
guys with someone really excited about a fellow Zimbabie.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Okay, we're gonna give a brief bio and then we're
gonna let you guys get to know why we're so
excited to have Kudzai here of undone the podcast, Come
on kud Zaid no nah. It's a mental health advocate,
podcast host and public health professional passionate about fostering meaningful
conversations and driving positive change within the African diaspora.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We're all about that, you know that.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Originally from Zimbabwe, becuz I's migration journey to England and
later to Australia has deeply informed her perspectives on mental health, migration,
trauma OOH, and the importance of culturally sensitive support systems.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Her work highlights the importance of representation, collaboration like what
we're doing today in addressing mental health challenges within migrant
and refugee communities, whether through her podcast and done the podcast,
community initiatives, or public speaking. Because Thi's mission is to
build bridges, challenge stigmas, and uplift the voices of those
(02:18):
often overlooked.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Welcome to the podcast. Not your bio makes it feel like,
you know, around this world, I listening to us like.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Chiud of you because wow, wow, wow, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm doing the things grinding.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Already for myself, but for real we really.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Because you know, the theme of the season. Season six
is really a love letter to women women of color,
just because I think sometimes life's so hard, like we're
just going hard, hard, hard, and we need to take
a setback. And I think through your work, through your podcast,
you're really shining a light on some of the things
we go through. And we'd love to learn a little
(03:05):
bit more about how you would describe your podcast and
how you got into it, Like when were you like,
you know what I'm I actually go on pressplate, I.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Do it, Okay, So I describe it as it's like
a mental health podcast, I guess, but the conversations are
very like the tagline is holistic and intergenerational conversations, so
like holistic in the sense that yes, sometimes we will
talk about like substance use and like depression therapy all
(03:33):
that kind of stuff, but then other times, like there's
one podcast episode I was thinking about today, I was like,
I want to listen to that again because.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
It makes me feel so smart to listen to it,
where my friend.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And I talked about how as people of color and
like Africans in the diaspora, sometimes engaging with what's social
media activism can be really complicated. And such a like
difficult field to navigate because it's like every day I'm
showing up at work, I'm showing up in all these
different spaces. I'm already all that. Yeah, and then now
(04:04):
I have to be like an activist on social media too,
so people believe I'm about what I'm about, Like this
is a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
So yeah, I love that episode.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
She's so intelligent and so smart and I've just spent
the whole episode just listening to her. So like that's
another way that we discuss like mental health in like
a general like what does it look like day to day?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Not just very clinical.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And then intergenerational because I've been blessed with a community
of old people who love talking about this kind of stuff,
well versed in this kind of stuff, and I think
those conversations are important because there often is a disconnect
between I guess the younger generation and the older people.
And in like your migration, you have migration trauma, I
(04:48):
have migration trauma. It's affecting how we're relating in the household,
how we're relating in community workspaces, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
But we're not having the conversations like yeah, or if
we are having the conversations. It's like, but yeah, but
what's your problem. You grew up here, you have it's
so easy. You didn't have to get it there, Like
you shouldn't be depressed. It's like, okay, it's not that easy.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah, So for you it was quite important to documents, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I think that's what it was in the new season.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I don't really have official seasons kind of vibes, but
I keep talking about how I think the African Australian
community is a young diaspora community and we have the
privilege of being able to learn from America and the
UK and kind of taking what's worked for them hasn't
worked for them, but also understanding that we're our own community,
(05:35):
we're our own makeup. People have migrated here under different
circumstances to both of those communities, and so we're like
in the building stage, yeah, and so getting to be
a part of that and I guess documenting what that
looks like and how we move forward and people who
Another big thing is like spotlighting people who are doing
amazing work within the community, where I'm like, look, we
(05:56):
have some really dope African Australians, Like did you know
about this most so yeah, yeah, and I love that,
you know.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
And it's so funny because the other day Rumbia and
I went out and it was like I'm a piano
afrobeat situation and I was like, she was like, oh
my gosh, you known Prague still budding if at all?
And I was like, girl, first it was not like
this when I say, and then now to see the
journey and now it's the norm because you said oversaturated
(06:23):
and now we're like, which one do you go to?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I don't feel like it. Yeah, you know, so there
is we do get.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
To a certain destination, but it is intentional work. And
I think like when people were coming over and bring
our music and our culture and our and like now
we're reeping the benefits.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So I agree with you that collaboration is important to you,
especially like I guess from my lens where I'm coming
from Prague, it's like also talking to each other and
working with each other and engaging each other. Sometimes I
feel it can be very siloed. And I saw that
when you know, the war in Ukraine started and we're
trying to help Africans, do you don't get out and
(07:01):
Africans was stuck in Ukraine and it was very much
like there wasn't really a like we weren't uniting, And
so I think it's gonna it takes that kind of
collaboration and working together to me, because why do you.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Think it's difficult for us to build community, especially as
people of color?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Oh, asking the questions, I think, Oh, what would I say?
I think there's a lot of preconceived notions that we
have about each other. Tribalism is huge, and then now
(07:44):
you're thinking about like even in terms of countries and
like how that plays into it.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So I think that definitely plays a part. I also
think like we're just trying to survive half the time,
Like people are just trying to make money, go to work,
look after relatives back home. But that's what they're doing.
Like people are trying to survive. So then does the
whole as well as hierarchy if needs like you're just
trying to take care of your basically before you get
to this other stuff like community.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Like what what?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But not realizing that community also is very important and
it helps you.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, For me, when I watched the documentary on the
Blue Zones and how and I read Ikey Guy a
book around you know, essentially having a whole and fulfilled life.
It talks about how integral community is. And you know,
we grew up where it was naturally a thing. We
(08:36):
had community, right you go Kumusha, you'd see grandparents, you
see your cousins. And then as we've dispersed and become
the daspora and gone to different places, it's less of that. Right,
But you have to be intentional about building community because
what you know, the documentary and the book highlighted was
that that is how you live well and longer because
(08:56):
these older people in these blue zones have like friends
that they can depend on, who support them, who all
this thing. And it's like, wow, we should not underestimate that,
like it really helps you live a life of longevity.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So so we don't come from like individualistic culture, like
that's not that's not what the norm was like even
when we lived in UK. I remember my parents would
be like, anyway, you're going to your grandmars or school holidays,
by you're going to this antipot becausin the school holidays
will see.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You when you get back, Like that was the vibe.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And then now you come here and I'm like, oh,
I have like one cousin here, like.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
How messed do you think we can build community as
especially creatives. So we had the privilege of being on
undone the podcast Amanda, and I think we both left
that recording feeling like, Wow, you are such a great.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Communicator.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
You are inquisitive, you are empathetic, and you go there
because we talked about things we spoken them up before,
but from a different lens, and then other aspects you
managed to bring up.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
So you're clearly very good at this. This is basically
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You wait out for this episode, but could you tell us,
like how you've gone about it or how you think
the best way to go about building community as creatives.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Those I think it starts with understanding that you have
your audience and you have your people, so don't like
I think there's like a poverty mindset, especially in the
creative space, where people like, no, we can't collaborate, No
we can't do this, No I can't promote that because
then like I won't have people or you're gonna And
I was like, no, everyone, even if we are doing
(10:37):
the same thing, like well, also girls doing podcast about things,
but we have different audiences, we do it in different ways,
like there's enough food at the table.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
So yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
It's starting with not thinking that there's like limited resources
and like audience out there. And also I've always been
like a fangirl, like that's my thing. I cheerlead everyone
like I'm just like so supportive, And I think that
makes a huge difference because the people who are usually
going to creative fields usually our overthinker.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Is really critical the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And so if you're able to see something that someone
is doing and they're doing it well and you point
that out and you celebrate them, like they're like, oh,
like people know that You're really like you see me,
you see me like doing what I'm doing, and it's like, oh,
now I see you, and then yeah, you kind of
find your people.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I think the tokenism thing is real. Like people we
probably grew up in communities were it was like, ah,
that one is the thinger that one, yeah, and then
no one else. Right, And even though we can watch
like twenty rom coms with twenty different white chicks, for us,
it's like that one actress you know that we all know,
that one musician we all know. So I think our
generation has really pushed against that. Yeah, and we want
(11:47):
variety and even yes, if you're talking about the exact
same topics, but you're going to do them naturally, going
to do them in different ways. So even with us
like you reaching out, us reaching out to you, it's
been such a beautiful thing for us as well, because
it's like, you know, we really do have a community,
and we need to. Even coming into Bittersweed Studio, the
amount of other people guests we had, we were like,
oh my gosh, think of Bittersweet studios when I think
(12:09):
of studios. So it's like that, right, you're throwing your
name in the ring. And also you don't know where
we wish rooms. We will enter which rooms you will,
And so for a community, we can always be like,
oh that job is not really for me, but I
know someone else. You know, that's how the white folks
do literally thousand like why can't we just do this
people baby thing?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's not you guys know, people stay helping each other,
like I might not be the best person, but I
know we posted you have something someone lady, Yeah, but
I think, yeah, it's just like a weird things like no,
and then we get so stingy, like it's like, no,
(12:49):
I'll do it even if you can't do it to
the best of your ability, if you know you can
do it, but it's someone who can do it better,
just letting.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
You. That's what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That's what I always I want to just latch onto that
and say, how do you think we do as Zimbabweins
in building community and supporting each other.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You've got the mic. You're so rude for that.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's just like, I don't know what you want to take.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Please, so sticky one. I'm like, how do I keep
it politically correct?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
In my experience, that's a great place to start in
my experience former time. In my experience, I don't know
if it's like a societal cultural like way that we're
like programmed where there is a competitiveness like there's only
(13:49):
room for one person at the table, like there's only
room for and I think we haven't always been good
at collaboration to take it there and make it deeper,
because you know, my.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's what's up.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We have to consider like the I guess the societal
and economic landscape that our parents were growing up in
and how I guess there was usually only room for
one black person in that room or whatever, and so
that's just became something that became ingrained and then they've
in not.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Looking back and being like does this still serve me?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
We have this whole running analogy about like toolboxes, and
it's like sometimes you also have to look in your
toolbox and be like, Okay, this tool was necessary for
this season.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Is it going to serve me in this season?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Like?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Do I need to get rid of it? Do I
need to upgrade it? What do I need to do?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And so that's one of those things that we haven't
examined to be like, Okay, there's a point in time
that whereas like that's just how you had to survive
and dive. But now that we're not in that environment,
do I still need to be the only black person
at a table in a conversation? Can I help someone else?
Can I inact someone into this? So that's what I'd.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Say, And I say that I don't want to just
throw you into the to the lions Den, but I
say that in the work you're doing and the way
you're moving in this world, you are showing that actually, guys,
we can collaborate, we can work together.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And actually it works a lot better when you do.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Like you know, so put us to you. I was
bringing it back. I was just going to launch you
after I was leaving. Not at all, Not at all.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
How supportive were your family and friends when you started
your podcast or with any of your creative endeavors.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
How supportive of they being?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Remember you had to ask how I started the podcast
and twenty twenty it was a COVID.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And then it died.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It started twenty twenty, stayed in twenty twenty, and then
my friends and family were like, when are you bringing
the podcast back?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
When is it coming back? I was like, guys, it's
not that simple. It's not that easy.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's a lot of word and I think I was
unsure if my've I had become unsure of my voice
in the process, and so it relaunched at the end
of twenty twenty three. Actually, and I think I just
knew a lot more about the direction I wanted to
take it and in my voice. And so to answer
(16:05):
your question, my friends and family were so supportive. My
mom watches every like, now that we're on YouTube, she'll
put it on the TV. My sister, my mom watched
the podcast when I first started it. They were always
the first ones to listen, or I'd let them listen
before I had launched it, because I guess at the
time the conversations that I was having in like the
(16:26):
initial episodes, I was like, I want to make sure
that you guys don't feel any type of way about it,
because they were so raw and vulnerable. I didn't want
people to approach them in the community and be like,
do you know your daughter's talking about this. I wanted
them to be able to stand tento's on the decision
I had made and be like, no, we support her,
we back her.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Well, no, we don't agree, but that's fine, that's what
she's doing.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So they'd listen. They loved everything. It's not like I
was having conversations we hadn't had. I always say my
love for it started from the conversations we had at
the dinner table because they're both mental health nurses, so yeah,
they've all They are so supportive.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
My friends are so supportive.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
My last the event we did was such a success
because my friends came and they ran with it, like
I got to my own event forty five minutes before
it started. Like they said, uh, they hosted everyone. So
I've been so blessed with the great.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Community and I know how un natural. It's so lucky
my parents. It was just launched.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, tell us more about those debate. Nice, you just
spoke about hosting events. Tell us more about where did
that come from? Sony wanted to do an event. I
was like, what am I going to do? What do
I feel like encompasses the brand? Well, the podcast is
called undone. I'm like, more than a debate, Like it
just makes sense.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You get there, you hear people arguing, you leave with
a different perspective like this makes sense.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I'm like, well, what are we going to talk about?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And specifically in community, I felt like our interaction with
the justice system and the narrative, like when they talk
about African gangs and stuff, a lot of that stuff
is coming out of Victoria. Yeah, but that's broadcasted nationally
when all the different things that they're talking about, and
so I was like, I feel like that's an important
conversation to have. The conversation ended up being a whole
bunch of it became everything.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Everyone was like.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Anyway, now that we're here, and I was like, Okay,
I see how they all connect into this affair.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So yeah, that's what that was.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
The second one is coming up, or it might have
come out to any with this year comes out, but
it'll be a continuation of that convass of that the
initial debate in the conversation that was had there, but
less problems focus, the more solutions focused. So like okay,
and the first debate it was raised about like economic
(18:44):
like progress where we're at as a community in Australia
where people are sitting what the disconnects between those who
are like making it economically and how they then stop
trying to help and work collaboratively with everyone else who
might still be in like the house, like public housing,
all that kind of stuff, like how do we make
it better for everyone? It's like, okay, cool, that was
brought up. What do we say is the way forward?
(19:06):
Who is responsible for this? Are we saying that onness
is on the government? Are we saying it's a community? Yes,
it's gonna be very much more.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Solutions, but wow, do you even start planning a debate?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
How do you how natural?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I'm not sure, br because I mean, we we performed
Live and Beyond the Valley, and as much as it
was such a good experience and we love and we
might even want to do more.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
There was a bit of like, oh my gosh, this is.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
So different, so different, and yeah, plan and to plan
for something you can't plan, you know what I mean
truly because they can't stop butting it like, let's rewind,
let's cut that out.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
There's an audience. Yeah, let's cut that out. That's not
what you put on the internet. People know. Yeah on
the day.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, but where did I start? I didn't know where
I started. I did it without money, either because I
thought I was going to get a grant or something
gonna like I was going to play.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
No.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I was like, okay, cool, so I still want to
do this. How are we going to do it? I
just did it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I started with the venue we use, a bittersweet studious,
and yeah, everything else kind of fell into place. I
think I knew the kind of conversation I wanted, so
I was curating everything around that. Same with this time around,
We've gone for a bigger venue, which I think is
I feel so crazy. I'm like, I think I'm we're
(20:28):
aiming for a hundred Wow, that's a small wedding. Am
I doing planning a small wedding, but yeah, I know
the kind of conversation I want to have, So everything
gets curated around that, like what kind of space allows
us to have that conversation where it doesn't feel like
you're watching Q and A on TV. So Bittersweet was
like everyone said, it felt intimate, it felt like you
(20:49):
were engaged, you could be. So I was like, okay,
I want to keep that same feeling. And then even
with panelists like I knew people, but I was like, again,
I know how I want the conversation to feel. I
can't predict what the conversation is going to be, but
I know how I wanted to feel. So I was
like thinking, Okay, what personalities do I.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Think went well together?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And then honestly the rest I loved it and'ttinue my guys,
And see, I.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Have to give you kudos.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I think a lot of people think podcasting, debating life
for whatever it is, is easy. They see't think, oh yeah,
I can know that you know and you know. But
I think kudos to you even the way you answered
and you said I just I just did it. But
it's not There is lots of blood, sweat and tea
and fellow creatives can certainly understand and appreciate, and when
(21:40):
we bring those content to you and for you, please
know that it's come from a place for yeah, sleepless
nights and yeah, thinking and reading. So kudos for pushing
past you know. Can't wait for the second one.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you because we're talking about
building community, yes, And I think we touched on it
a little bit when we had our Zoom call prior
to you know, when we're planning all this.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Building community in the sense.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Of creating friendships in adulthood, and I think we just like.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Lightly, I would love for you because you just.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Have such an infectious energy about you and you just
have like a radiating light and positivity honestly, and even
as you spoke about you know, you had these conversations
with your parents at the dinner table before you which
ended up in being the root for your podcast, I
was like, wow, Like that takes a certain type of
(22:36):
family upbringing which we didn't always have. And then like
seeing you, like how do you move and create friendships
and connections at this age because that's something that people
often talk about how hard it is, you know, to
do that at this age, especially when you're moving around exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So I grew up in like regional Queensland, Okay, growing up,
we left UK. I came here when I started high school.
So I grew up in a regional Queensland. The African
community was small, it was tight knit. So I went
from like my family community to another community that it
was really opening, was really open and welcoming, and that
community is still to this day so supportive, so loving.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Like we all kind of say we grew up.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Together, like all the kids like you, We all just
know each other. So I think there's always been that
theme of knowing the importance of community and what community
can do and how community can show up for you,
the my parents' friends, and then I guess our family,
because we're all somehow involved with mental health. However, we're
(23:42):
all on this journey of healing, and so I think
I've learned that yes, we can get wounded in communities,
but we also get healed in community and when the
community is healing as well, bars which I think is
part of why the podcast was started. So I'm like, Okay,
I know the important of community, and I like this
is something that is a core value for me. Like,
(24:03):
I want to be a part of community. Who am
I letting into my community? Who am I letting be
a part of my world? So I had friends, I
had a core group of friends. I still have friends.
Sorry still the same person said no, if we didn't
cut them off, I still have the friends.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But then I moved to Melbourne. I literally remember praying.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I was like, God, give me the heart to want
to make new friends because I'm good like long distance.
I need to focus on how to be a long
distance sister daughter this friend, Like, I don't want to
be making new friends, but I also know I need
on the ground community, So like, how do I go
about that? And then I came here and I think
it was just it's not always easy, But I think
(24:43):
it was easy because I knew like a couple people,
and I was just going to spaces that I enjoyed,
Like I enjoyed poetry, I enjoyed community events, I enjoyed
music stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I would go there.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
After a while, you kind of end up seeing the
same people and of the vibe vibe with him.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, although the ones who were closest to me.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yes, I think you guys are going to interviewed her later,
I remember we met at an event and she was like,
I've seen you before.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I was like, no, I'm literally two months into living
in Melbourne. You have not seen me. And then we
hung out that night. We're like at an art being exhibition.
And then at the end of the night she was like,
we're going to be friends, and I was like, I
don't except your much not to say the same thing.
And we've been friends ever since. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I kind of feel like if vibe attracted your tribe,
but I also feel like, I guess that might be
like a cop out, but.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
No, it's true.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And I think if you're open, I think if you're
like there's no one here, I'll never you never.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
And and interest based too, you know you have that
is your foundation takes notes.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So as we wrap this beautiful time up with you,
any I mean, you've already talked about this debate coming up,
but upcoming projects for twenty twenty five that you want
to share, share about your podcast where people can find
it all the good pleased you know, all the good stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Let us know. Okay, Yeah, there is the debate that's
coming up.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Every twenty seconds, I have a couple other stuff in
the works, but nothing is like set it deep.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, I don't even those people that moves in silence.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
If you put money in my account, I can tell
you because now the dream can become a reality fact
I should be sharing. Yeah, I'm like, I'm dreaming, but
I can't share anything because I don't have the money
in my count I will let you know.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
What we're working on like that.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
But what about the first debate If people want to
like wrap their heads around that before the second debate,
where could they? Yes, so we are on Spotify and
Apple podcasts, and I think yeah because YouTube and Google
became the same thing as Undone the podcast on Instagram,
as undone the podcast.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
On our YouTube.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
We have like a seven minute trailer of like some
of the what I thought were like highlights from the
last debate of things that were said. And then we
also have like for audio like start to finish. We
didn't cut anything out, nothing else, so like we had
audience participation.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
We had and it got heated at some point like
ran it raw.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So yeah, well, thank you so so much for coming
over and spending time with us. Thank you for the
love and like you know, We thoroughly enjoyed being on
your podcast, so please listen out. If it's not out already,
listen look out for it because we had we had
a time. Okay, we had a time. And that is
it for another episode.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Of It's later.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yeah, thanks for coming you, like really, it's like your energy,
your vibe. It is very infectious and I think just
keep doing what you're doing. The bank account will will
fill out.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Equivalent. Okay, yeah, been more equivalent.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Don't catch you soon. Good Bye,
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