November 12, 2024 • 8 mins
The Jezabels' Hayley Mary joins Jonesy & Amanda to discuss her controversial choice to wear a MAGA hat in a recent Instagram post.Â
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And Amanda gem Nation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Musician Hailey Mary is best known as a solo artist
and a singer with the Jezabel's. Here she is, She's
a Gigabel singer. I love the Jezabel's. But she found
herself in hot water. Recently, she posted a picture to
social media wearing a Margat cap with trump slogan make
America Great Again. She said this led to her being
all but canceled. She joins us now, Hailey Mary.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hello, Hello, how are you doing very well?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So tell us the story.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Well, look, the story for me starts with the misinformation
bill that they're discussing at the moment for Australia. I
kept an eye on it for a little bit and
I thought I was a bit I was a bit concerned,
I think, and in general should maybe be, as is
the Human Rights Commission. So you know, I'm not alone here.
(00:51):
But when Trump got in the other day, I thought
that bill would be discussed a long time down the
track and I might talk about it then, preferably when
my own album campaign was over, which I'm in the
middle of. But when Trump got in the other day
and I was, you know, seeing all the influences and
artists and everyone I know screaming about how their abortion
(01:12):
rights were going, which I don't really understand how that's true,
but you know, just very angry at shaving their heads
and talking about never talking to men again. In the meantime,
our parliament was actually talking reading through this misinformation bill
in the Parliament and voting it through, and while it
can be blocked by the Senate, I still thought that
(01:33):
was a pretty sneaky move and I thought it looked
like they were using the Trump election to do that
without people noticing. Well that's what it looked like. It
might not have been, but it looked like that to me,
and you know, amidst the Trump hysteria, so I just
sort of thought. I'm not an activist musician, but I
just felt like all of the active ast musicians were
(01:56):
distracted and had not picked up on this, which they
should have. And so I thought, I need to post
about this. But it's such a dry post to post
about a misinformation bill by the Australian Parliament. It's very boring,
you know, especially in amidst the hysteria. So I thought,
what can I do to bring a bit more attention
to it? And I thought, well, I'll just use a
(02:19):
bit of shop jock kind of strategy and post me
in a maga hat and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And here we and here we are before we are.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Look, I knew what I was doing. I've seen people
get canceled before it's happened, you know, on numerous occasions.
We've all seen it. And the fallout is exactly what
I expected, all the usual suspects and everything. I went
through it, and I thought, I still think it's worth
the risk, because what goods a career in the arts
if slow authoritarian laws of sort of creeping in and
(02:54):
with them, just.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
With the Misinformation Bill, you want, like I say, with everything,
just free. You want everything as far as all there's
no misinformation, Like it's free speech.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
No, well, there's already limits on free speech. I mean, look,
maybe a bit. I'm not not a professional on anything.
I just thought it should be discussed and more discussed.
But my main concerns with the bill is two things.
One being this definition of serious harm, which is quite
(03:28):
vague in terms of like, if speech has been deemed
to cause serious harm to a group or individuals, it
could be considered misinformation or disinformation, and sense it and penalized.
But we've seen how that's played out in cancel culture,
which is, you know, there's statements that you might say
people believe are actually factually correct or most people believe,
(03:49):
and they've said them, and then a group has said
this is this equal serious harm to me and you
need to lose your job now. Cancel culture is actually
people using their own freedom of expression. So I'm not
really raging against that here, even though I don't like
it that much. My problem is the government taking that
kind of control.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And sadly, can you just drill down for us on
what once you posted the picture of you in that hat,
who turned against you? What happened?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Well, look, to be honest with you, it's come on
all sides as you can imagine. I mean, the sadder
part of it would be the friends and even some
of the family that have gone either angry or silence,
which I did expect. I hope a lot of that
will be temporary. I think, you know, it's okay. I
still think it's worth it because if people aren't really
(04:37):
your friend, then you're going to lose them in a
situation like this anyway. So that's fine, sad, but fine,
and then obviously the entire music industry, which I knew
would happen, because, as I said in my post, it's
been captured by wokeness. And I don't think it's a
progressive movement. I think wokeness takes the worst of the
(04:58):
left and the right. Yeah senses people, So yeah, I
was willing to make that sacrifice. But yeah, everyone everyone
turned against me. A lot of people are supporting me though.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Particularly it's curious with the word woke, that that Barack
Obama was the one that gave us work years ago.
Instead he said, he said, I just wish people would
stop being so wake and I tend to agree with it.
You know, there's a lot of changes that goes on
in the media, and often think in regard to the
misinformation build. So when I look at Twitter, I go, well, obviously,
(05:32):
because I've been doing this for a long time, so
I can discern what's real and what's not. So I
wouldn't if I say, for example, Jeff Goldblum was announced
that he'd passed away, and that was on Twitter a
few years ago. I don't know if you remember this story,
and so over and ran with it. Jeff Goldblum's dead
he wasn't dead. Someone has tweeted that, So I would
never report anything directly from Twitter. So my understanding of
(05:53):
the Misinformation Bill is to stop that actually happening. Is
that how it works.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Look, there may be very good reasons for a type
of misinformation bill, and I've read it the other day
because I've realized I should, and there's stuff in there
that I see, you know, seems pretty reasonable. The main
concerns are that it's one what I said about the
definition of serious harm and that being used against just
normal people saying things that they believe. But also the
(06:20):
exemptions in there. I mean, the Minister can exempt, you know,
various platforms from the scrutiny of the bill. It also
it excludes like broadcast media and basically legacy media in general.
So it kind of just looks like it's targeting podcasts
and social media, which to me, to me looks like
(06:42):
it's somewhat political. And the only other problem I would
say is that, well, you might trust the government now,
but what if a fire right government does get in.
Do you think that they're not going to use it
for their purposes. I think we just need to be
careful before we put in a bill like.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
This is that I'm no margafan, but I would defend
your right to where whatever hack you like and be
whatever you like. Are you seeing the hypocrisy in the
free movement of the arts industry who are anti right?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah? Well, look, to be honest with you, I didn't
wear a Marga hat because I'm a Marga person either.
I just don't think that all Marga people should be
vilified in a society where they are the majority. And
I yeah, I think that there is a censorious nature,
to homogeneous nature to the art at the moment, and
that doesn't read as a healthy element of a society
(07:36):
to me. I think that there should be liberty in
the arts in particular, you know, in terms of speech
and expression, and we've shown, I've shown that there's not.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Well, it's great to have you on your show, on
our show, and of course that's content from music writing.
This is great stuff. This is a song.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Are you're getting us down?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Oh? Look, I think I've got to get through the
kind of ruination it's caused for every element of my
life first. But then I'm sure there'll be a couple of.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's a free country and you can do you know
you can. We've all got our opinions, and having said that,
you brought it to our attention. So good on you.
Second grade to.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You, Hailey, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I appreciate you having me and.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
When you're album man, what are you doing? Just let's go.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Look my album's out right now. It's separdly I'm right
in the middle of the album campaign. I probably shouldn't
have done that, but look, it's called Roman Excess and
it's out now, and I don't I've just had my
Melbourne Melbourne launch canceled, but I hope that I'll be
able to play some shows again. If I've only I've
only voluntarily quit the woke music industry. I'm still open
(08:42):
to playing gigs if anyone wants.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's a really interesting Thanks for talking to us today.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Thanks for having me. A big fan of your show,
by the way, it's very nice.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Thank you.
And Amanda gem Nation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Musician Hailey Mary is best known as a solo artist
and a singer with the Jezabel's. Here she is, She's
a Gigabel singer. I love the Jezabel's. But she found
herself in hot water. Recently, she posted a picture to
social media wearing a Margat cap with trump slogan make
America Great Again. She said this led to her being
all but canceled. She joins us now, Hailey Mary.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hello, Hello, how are you doing very well?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So tell us the story.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Well, look, the story for me starts with the misinformation
bill that they're discussing at the moment for Australia. I
kept an eye on it for a little bit and
I thought I was a bit I was a bit concerned,
I think, and in general should maybe be, as is
the Human Rights Commission. So you know, I'm not alone here.
(00:51):
But when Trump got in the other day, I thought
that bill would be discussed a long time down the
track and I might talk about it then, preferably when
my own album campaign was over, which I'm in the
middle of. But when Trump got in the other day
and I was, you know, seeing all the influences and
artists and everyone I know screaming about how their abortion
(01:12):
rights were going, which I don't really understand how that's true,
but you know, just very angry at shaving their heads
and talking about never talking to men again. In the meantime,
our parliament was actually talking reading through this misinformation bill
in the Parliament and voting it through, and while it
can be blocked by the Senate, I still thought that
(01:33):
was a pretty sneaky move and I thought it looked
like they were using the Trump election to do that
without people noticing. Well that's what it looked like. It
might not have been, but it looked like that to me,
and you know, amidst the Trump hysteria, so I just
sort of thought. I'm not an activist musician, but I
just felt like all of the active ast musicians were
(01:56):
distracted and had not picked up on this, which they
should have. And so I thought, I need to post
about this. But it's such a dry post to post
about a misinformation bill by the Australian Parliament. It's very boring,
you know, especially in amidst the hysteria. So I thought,
what can I do to bring a bit more attention
to it? And I thought, well, I'll just use a
(02:19):
bit of shop jock kind of strategy and post me
in a maga hat and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And here we and here we are before we are.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Look, I knew what I was doing. I've seen people
get canceled before it's happened, you know, on numerous occasions.
We've all seen it. And the fallout is exactly what
I expected, all the usual suspects and everything. I went
through it, and I thought, I still think it's worth
the risk, because what goods a career in the arts
if slow authoritarian laws of sort of creeping in and
(02:54):
with them, just.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
With the Misinformation Bill, you want, like I say, with everything,
just free. You want everything as far as all there's
no misinformation, Like it's free speech.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
No, well, there's already limits on free speech. I mean, look,
maybe a bit. I'm not not a professional on anything.
I just thought it should be discussed and more discussed.
But my main concerns with the bill is two things.
One being this definition of serious harm, which is quite
(03:28):
vague in terms of like, if speech has been deemed
to cause serious harm to a group or individuals, it
could be considered misinformation or disinformation, and sense it and penalized.
But we've seen how that's played out in cancel culture,
which is, you know, there's statements that you might say
people believe are actually factually correct or most people believe,
(03:49):
and they've said them, and then a group has said
this is this equal serious harm to me and you
need to lose your job now. Cancel culture is actually
people using their own freedom of expression. So I'm not
really raging against that here, even though I don't like
it that much. My problem is the government taking that
kind of control.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And sadly, can you just drill down for us on
what once you posted the picture of you in that hat,
who turned against you? What happened?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Well, look, to be honest with you, it's come on
all sides as you can imagine. I mean, the sadder
part of it would be the friends and even some
of the family that have gone either angry or silence,
which I did expect. I hope a lot of that
will be temporary. I think, you know, it's okay. I
still think it's worth it because if people aren't really
(04:37):
your friend, then you're going to lose them in a
situation like this anyway. So that's fine, sad, but fine,
and then obviously the entire music industry, which I knew
would happen, because, as I said in my post, it's
been captured by wokeness. And I don't think it's a
progressive movement. I think wokeness takes the worst of the
(04:58):
left and the right. Yeah senses people, So yeah, I
was willing to make that sacrifice. But yeah, everyone everyone
turned against me. A lot of people are supporting me though.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Particularly it's curious with the word woke, that that Barack
Obama was the one that gave us work years ago.
Instead he said, he said, I just wish people would
stop being so wake and I tend to agree with it.
You know, there's a lot of changes that goes on
in the media, and often think in regard to the
misinformation build. So when I look at Twitter, I go, well, obviously,
(05:32):
because I've been doing this for a long time, so
I can discern what's real and what's not. So I
wouldn't if I say, for example, Jeff Goldblum was announced
that he'd passed away, and that was on Twitter a
few years ago. I don't know if you remember this story,
and so over and ran with it. Jeff Goldblum's dead
he wasn't dead. Someone has tweeted that, So I would
never report anything directly from Twitter. So my understanding of
(05:53):
the Misinformation Bill is to stop that actually happening. Is
that how it works.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Look, there may be very good reasons for a type
of misinformation bill, and I've read it the other day
because I've realized I should, and there's stuff in there
that I see, you know, seems pretty reasonable. The main
concerns are that it's one what I said about the
definition of serious harm and that being used against just
normal people saying things that they believe. But also the
(06:20):
exemptions in there. I mean, the Minister can exempt, you know,
various platforms from the scrutiny of the bill. It also
it excludes like broadcast media and basically legacy media in general.
So it kind of just looks like it's targeting podcasts
and social media, which to me, to me looks like
(06:42):
it's somewhat political. And the only other problem I would
say is that, well, you might trust the government now,
but what if a fire right government does get in.
Do you think that they're not going to use it
for their purposes. I think we just need to be
careful before we put in a bill like.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
This is that I'm no margafan, but I would defend
your right to where whatever hack you like and be
whatever you like. Are you seeing the hypocrisy in the
free movement of the arts industry who are anti right?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah? Well, look, to be honest with you, I didn't
wear a Marga hat because I'm a Marga person either.
I just don't think that all Marga people should be
vilified in a society where they are the majority. And
I yeah, I think that there is a censorious nature,
to homogeneous nature to the art at the moment, and
that doesn't read as a healthy element of a society
(07:36):
to me. I think that there should be liberty in
the arts in particular, you know, in terms of speech
and expression, and we've shown, I've shown that there's not.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Well, it's great to have you on your show, on
our show, and of course that's content from music writing.
This is great stuff. This is a song.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Are you're getting us down?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Oh? Look, I think I've got to get through the
kind of ruination it's caused for every element of my
life first. But then I'm sure there'll be a couple of.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's a free country and you can do you know
you can. We've all got our opinions, and having said that,
you brought it to our attention. So good on you.
Second grade to.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You, Hailey, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I appreciate you having me and.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
When you're album man, what are you doing? Just let's go.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Look my album's out right now. It's separdly I'm right
in the middle of the album campaign. I probably shouldn't
have done that, but look, it's called Roman Excess and
it's out now, and I don't I've just had my
Melbourne Melbourne launch canceled, but I hope that I'll be
able to play some shows again. If I've only I've
only voluntarily quit the woke music industry. I'm still open
(08:42):
to playing gigs if anyone wants.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's a really interesting Thanks for talking to us today.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Thanks for having me. A big fan of your show,
by the way, it's very nice.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Thank you.
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