September 23, 2025 • 5 mins
Our good friend Chris Hammer joins Jonesy & Amanda to chat about his new book, Legacy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jersey and Amanda jam Nation author.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Chris Hammer is Australia's leading crime fiction writer. He wrote
the Martin Scarson series of novels, best sellers all around
the world, Scrublands being the first one in twenty eighteen.
He sold over one million crime novels in just eight years.
And he's got a new one. Martin Scarsdale. Scarsdale, Scarsden
is back. The new book is a legacy and Chris
(00:25):
joins us now Hollo, Chris here is.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
And we don't just have you on because you went
to university with Amanda.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We have you on because you're an exceptional author's mainly
just some sort of mates rates favorite.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, going back to the days of the Claric Club, Chris.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
That's right, but let's not mention that.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
No, I'm still men the Claric class.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know, when I joined the Claric Club, when I
first went to UNI, I'd never drunk red wine, and
I don't even know if it was wine. It was
pure vinegar. And years later my husband said, have a
glass of red wine. I said, that's not red wine.
That tastes quite nice. To realize red wine didn't have
to be vomitable every time.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Ship. We're all scarred, but we're all scarred by that experience.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Absolutely, Chris your books that I'm reading Legacy at the moment.
I know it's out next Tuesday. I've had an advanced
copy and I'm loving it. All The landscapes are so brutal.
It's hot, it's dry, there's drought, there's awful accommodation. What
do people overseas make of this so called outback noir?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Oh, they love it. And of course I've been in
the UK quite recently doing book events over there, and
many of them have the idea that the Outback starts
about fifty kilometers west of Sydney, and this one they're going, oh,
this is really sort of you know, full on, but
it is the Outback. It sets out on the Paru River,
(01:49):
which is a real place. It's about two hundred kilometers
west of Burke and the Parus a river that runs
from Queensland down into New South Wales, and then just
basically Peter's out. It doesn't really go anywhere because the
land is so flat, and that actually plays an important
partner story.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And so it never occurred to you to maybe make
a book and therefore a TV series around a hotel
in Hawaii or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know. Last night I interviewed an author, Salari Gentile.
She's done a retake on Murder on the Orient Express,
so she took the Orient Express from Paris to Venice.
And here I am staying in these sort of jog
box hotels out our back and I think made Did
I ever get that wrong?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Dream itself up a better place to go, because I
look at you Southwest and New South Walest is big.
But then when you go to Western Australia, and I
lived over there in Karatha, and I remember standing my
backyard at Karafa, my next doorable. We're just having a
bit of an emu bitter and a chat, and I said,
what happens if we walked out from our backyard now,
because we're in this suburban house right on.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
The edge of pretty much the desert. And he said,
you could walk for six months and you wouldn't see anyone.
And the actual depth of the size of Australia said,
of course, you'd be dead in half an hour if
you walked on a hot day like today.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Wow, But it was just it's extraordinary. It's hard to
understand isn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
And and that the brutality of that landscape that comes
into this story and legacy because Martin finds himself. This
is the first Martin scars And book in five years,
I've come back to Martin and he finds himself in
exactly that sort of situation of being stuck out in
the middle of nowhere without a car and no water.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
There it is where it is, don't you glad to
tell us what happens. I know I'm going to blow
the beginning out. The beginning from the beginning starts with
a huge explosion. It starts very dramatically. Where do you
dream this stuff up?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Chris?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Not from Clark Club, obviously.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Look, I don't know. I don't know. I think the
reason after I've done four other books with the police characters,
I'm in Luka to New Big Cannon. I wasn't sure
if I'd ever go back to Martin and Mandy. And
you know what, I think. I saw the TV series
and I thought, oh that boat. Yeah, he's interesting and
so and so I'm sure where it came from. This idea.
(04:21):
This is different though. Instead in the other books with Martin,
he kind of has more agency he's investigating murders this time,
as you say, he's launching a book. There's this big
bomb goes off. People are trying to kill him, so
he goes on the run. But he knows someone's trying
to kill him, but he doesn't know who, and he
(04:42):
doesn't know why. So he's really he's really struggling, if
you like one to survive, but to the work out
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Intriguing. I'm looking forward to reading it.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Have you ever drawn any inspiration from Amanda obviously, Chris, Oh.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I mean Amanda has always been inspirational.
You know that is true.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That's true, that's it. Yeah, sure, thank you to pin
up all of the thinking man.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh please, absolutely, Chris.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
It's always great to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
The new book, Legacy is out next Tuesday, the thirtieth
of September.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Don't talk to Amanda because she'll spoil it and ruin it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh blab it. But Chris, so lovely to talk to you,
and you think so much.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Carry on, Chris Hammery
Jersey and Amanda jam Nation author.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Chris Hammer is Australia's leading crime fiction writer. He wrote
the Martin Scarson series of novels, best sellers all around
the world, Scrublands being the first one in twenty eighteen.
He sold over one million crime novels in just eight years.
And he's got a new one. Martin Scarsdale. Scarsdale, Scarsden
is back. The new book is a legacy and Chris
(00:25):
joins us now Hollo, Chris here is.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
And we don't just have you on because you went
to university with Amanda.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We have you on because you're an exceptional author's mainly
just some sort of mates rates favorite.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, going back to the days of the Claric Club, Chris.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
That's right, but let's not mention that.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
No, I'm still men the Claric class.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know, when I joined the Claric Club, when I
first went to UNI, I'd never drunk red wine, and
I don't even know if it was wine. It was
pure vinegar. And years later my husband said, have a
glass of red wine. I said, that's not red wine.
That tastes quite nice. To realize red wine didn't have
to be vomitable every time.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Ship. We're all scarred, but we're all scarred by that experience.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Absolutely, Chris your books that I'm reading Legacy at the moment.
I know it's out next Tuesday. I've had an advanced
copy and I'm loving it. All The landscapes are so brutal.
It's hot, it's dry, there's drought, there's awful accommodation. What
do people overseas make of this so called outback noir?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Oh, they love it. And of course I've been in
the UK quite recently doing book events over there, and
many of them have the idea that the Outback starts
about fifty kilometers west of Sydney, and this one they're going, oh,
this is really sort of you know, full on, but
it is the Outback. It sets out on the Paru River,
(01:49):
which is a real place. It's about two hundred kilometers
west of Burke and the Parus a river that runs
from Queensland down into New South Wales, and then just
basically Peter's out. It doesn't really go anywhere because the
land is so flat, and that actually plays an important
partner story.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And so it never occurred to you to maybe make
a book and therefore a TV series around a hotel
in Hawaii or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know. Last night I interviewed an author, Salari Gentile.
She's done a retake on Murder on the Orient Express,
so she took the Orient Express from Paris to Venice.
And here I am staying in these sort of jog
box hotels out our back and I think made Did
I ever get that wrong?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Dream itself up a better place to go, because I
look at you Southwest and New South Walest is big.
But then when you go to Western Australia, and I
lived over there in Karatha, and I remember standing my
backyard at Karafa, my next doorable. We're just having a
bit of an emu bitter and a chat, and I said,
what happens if we walked out from our backyard now,
because we're in this suburban house right on.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
The edge of pretty much the desert. And he said,
you could walk for six months and you wouldn't see anyone.
And the actual depth of the size of Australia said,
of course, you'd be dead in half an hour if
you walked on a hot day like today.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Wow, But it was just it's extraordinary. It's hard to
understand isn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
And and that the brutality of that landscape that comes
into this story and legacy because Martin finds himself. This
is the first Martin scars And book in five years,
I've come back to Martin and he finds himself in
exactly that sort of situation of being stuck out in
the middle of nowhere without a car and no water.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
There it is where it is, don't you glad to
tell us what happens. I know I'm going to blow
the beginning out. The beginning from the beginning starts with
a huge explosion. It starts very dramatically. Where do you
dream this stuff up?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Chris?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Not from Clark Club, obviously.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Look, I don't know. I don't know. I think the
reason after I've done four other books with the police characters,
I'm in Luka to New Big Cannon. I wasn't sure
if I'd ever go back to Martin and Mandy. And
you know what, I think. I saw the TV series
and I thought, oh that boat. Yeah, he's interesting and
so and so I'm sure where it came from. This idea.
(04:21):
This is different though. Instead in the other books with Martin,
he kind of has more agency he's investigating murders this time,
as you say, he's launching a book. There's this big
bomb goes off. People are trying to kill him, so
he goes on the run. But he knows someone's trying
to kill him, but he doesn't know who, and he
(04:42):
doesn't know why. So he's really he's really struggling, if
you like one to survive, but to the work out
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Intriguing. I'm looking forward to reading it.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Have you ever drawn any inspiration from Amanda obviously, Chris, Oh.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I mean Amanda has always been inspirational.
You know that is true.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That's true, that's it. Yeah, sure, thank you to pin
up all of the thinking man.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh please, absolutely, Chris.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
It's always great to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
The new book, Legacy is out next Tuesday, the thirtieth
of September.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Don't talk to Amanda because she'll spoil it and ruin it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh blab it. But Chris, so lovely to talk to you,
and you think so much.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Carry on, Chris Hammery
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