September 27, 2023 • 15 mins
Join Amanda Keller and her best friend Anita McGregor - who happens to be a criminal psychologist - for smart, funny and dumb chats.
One is an Australian media legend who doesn’t shy away from toilet humour on the radio, the other has a proper job as a forensic psychologist.
Amanda Keller and her best friend Anita McGregor are often seen walking around their neighbourhood or catching up over a cup of tea discussing the things we’re all talking about (or not talking about).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, It's Amanda Keller here. I've started a new podcast
with my best friend, Anita McGregor. Anita has a real job.
Who knew, She's a forensic psychologist. She's sometimes intelligent, well
she is most of the time. We spend a lot
of our weekends together, walking my dog. We're having a
glass of wine, We're having a thousand cups of tea.
But we talk about everything. Sometimes we're smart, sometimes we're ridiculous.
(00:24):
But we thought that the things that we discuss are
probably the things that everyone else is talking about too.
Here's a little taste of what you can expect. I'll
see you at the end. Well. Hello, I'm Amanda Keller.
(00:51):
You might know me from well various media outlets.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
TV radio.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I do the Breakfast Show with Jonesy on WSFM. But
I thought i'd like to introduce you to a friend
of mine called Anita McGregor, my best friend in the
whole damn universe, and we thought we'd like to do
a podcast together. Hello Anita, Hello, a children's show together.
This is weird. Are sitting opposite a table normally when
we're chadding, we're walking my dog. We're having a glass
(01:19):
of wine. Somewhere we're making a gazillion cups of tea.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
That is our lives.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
That's our lives. I have this kind of media frivolous job.
You have a grown up job. What is it you
do again?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I am a forensic psychologist.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And when people hear forensics, do they assume that you're
digging up bodies in some kind of research facility.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Either that or they think that I'm interviewing dead people,
neither of which is actually true.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Hopefully not today. Let's check. That's so far, so good,
so good. So what actually is a forensic psychologist?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
So forensic means in the forum, So anything to do
with the legal system. So for civil or criminal issues,
we see offenders, we see victim I've worked with police
in Canada lots and lots of things, so anything really
to do with the court system.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
But at the moment you're working in Australia, you have
an unusual Australian accent. Let's just say, I'll admit that.
So you've been here from Canada for how.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Long seventeen years? And strangely enough I met you probably
in the first month or so of coming to Australia.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
When you first saw me though it was unusual, wasn't it?
It was very I wasn't drinking.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That was very unusual, let me tell you, no, it was.
It was what became a mutual friend of ours, Jackie,
who asked me to go and watch a Dancing with
the Stars episode. And I didn't know what Dancing with
the Stars was. I didn't know who you were, I
didn't know anybody in Australia.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
A dream, oh, I dream of living like that.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It was crazy. So went over there and Jackie was
dressed in a ballroom gown made out of drapes, and
she was so was I. But it was it was
extraordinary in meeting you because I had no context for it.
I had no context about the Australian situation, you know,
(03:16):
who was who and all those kinds of things. So
it was a lovely, great time to get to know you,
and and really we have been friends since then.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Forged at the hip we really are. So that's kind
of who we are and our history. But often when
we're walking and we're talking about things, we talk about
things that matter in our lives, and we talk about
silly things we've read during the week, or things we've watched,
or things we've read, and we thought, why don't we
share that with everyone, because I reckon everyone else is
(03:48):
going through the same kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Just as confused as we are.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Just as confused as we are. Initially I wanted to
call this Tea in Therapy. I'd provide the tea and
you'd provide the therapy. But it was thought that maybe
people might think it's an actual therapy show. And as
you'll see there certainly won't be that far from it.
So hello, and welcome to double a chattery.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Welcome.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I read an article in New York newspaper the other
day and it was about a new bookshop and it
was called The Ripped Bodice Tell me more, I will
anea look at what I'm wearing right now and more.
And The Ripped Bodice is a new bookshop that is
all about romance novels. And the thing that struck me
(04:40):
was that the q to go into their big opening
day went all the way around the block. And it's
set in the articles that more women than ever are
reading romance based books in a way that many people
aren't even aware that they're romance novels. But for example,
last year there was a fifty two point four four
(05:00):
percent increase in romance novels in comparison to other fiction categories,
which were down by over ten percent. So this is
the one category that's going through the roof. A list
of eight of the fifteen books on the current New
York Times Paperback bestseller list are romantic fiction. Virgin River,
for example, the TV series Bridgeton almost their giant Juggernauts
(05:24):
might even put Yellowstone on that list.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Men in wrangler jeans.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
In Australia, wrangler jeans were just the daggy jeans at
the boys you Knew Water to the school formal In Canada?
Were they a bit sexier than that?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
They're a bit sexier than that. And I lived in Calgary,
in Alberta for years, and the Calgary Stampede where there
was a whole bunch of men dressed up as cowboys
with the cowboy boots and the houtse and the.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Course the stampede, they did a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
There's some nose, I candy.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Let me just this is the thing, and we're all
too scared to say that we like it. I think
because one of the women she was listed in or
there was quoted in this article said, and she's a
criminal defense lawyer. She said, she's into cowboy romance. She said,
I grew up in Brooklyn. But there's something about being
totally transported, something about that wide open space, a man
(06:17):
riding on a horseback, a woman falling from him. I'm
a sucker for that. And that is Yellowstone.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Absolutely, And when you think about.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Even like Jane Austen, she was probably or she is
a romance writer, but because it was about satire, and
because she used clever language, and she had an opinion
about things that was seen as quality, that was literature,
literature and which it is. But if you put a
vampire in there instead of mister Darcy, it's chick lit
(06:45):
and it's a little bit shameful.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And a ripped bous on the cover. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So it's interesting, isn't it? Where we are that all
this stuff. I've always thought actually that Fifty Shades of
Gray was really a Roman because many of Sure, there
was a lot of sex in it. I had to
reread it many times, but the through line it is
like those Jane ere. It's like all those old books
that those old books literaly, yes, those things that I
(07:16):
think it's it's almost like a young ingenue, a young
naive girl catches the eye of a stern, older man
and it can she turn him to love her, and
you discover at the end he's loved her all along
but hasn't been able to show it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's so attractive, and there's such a recipe to it,
isn't it. It's just there's going to be true love,
there's going to be challenge, there's going to be lost
and gain. It's all those things that happen.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
It can be overly consuming, and as a psychologist, want
to ask you this in the same way that women
are threatened by men watching porn, but men will say
this has no bearing on real life. If women are
obsessed with romans and relationships that are so full on,
(08:04):
does that impact on how we actually live or is
it the same sort of thing as I know, the
difference between real and pornography.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I really think that that line is getting so blurred
between kind of what we expect in the world. I mean,
we've get people on Instagram and Facebook and all those
kinds of social media platforms where they're showing this kind
of a game where you know, I'm in love and
here's my perfect partner, and here's this, and I think
(08:34):
it really creates these expectations. And then you look at
your partner and he's, you know, the fourth day where
he's you know, been glumping around the house and and
he hasn't done the chores that you wanted him to do.
And it's this and it's that, and it just doesn't
match that created expectation that isn't reality.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It's interesting. We know it's not reality, but I wonder
how damaging it can be because you may not even
realize that you're going to bed at seven o'clock to
read your romance book and your husband's staying watching TV downstairs,
or you shut down your relationship at home because you
want to live more in your romance world. Maybe this
(09:17):
is what people do when they're playing games online. I've
never been a computer person, but that's the same thing.
So kind of escaping your real relationships may be Well.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's really interesting that I was reading this book about
dopamine and it's this addiction psychiatrist. Her name is Anna Lemke,
and fascinating book. I've listened to a couple of podcasts
that she's been in and she talked about in the
book how she got absolutely addicted to erotica and mostly
(09:47):
about vampire romance. Her gateway drug was the Twilight series.
But then she said that she got to the point
where she was around the house she had medical journals,
and inside she had like a little romance novel so
that she could go and pretend that she was reading
a medical journal and being really smart rather than reading this,
(10:10):
you know, crazy romance novel. And that she had gone
and she talked about a time where she had gone
off for a family function with friends and that she
had reclused herself into a little room so that she
could just go and read these romance she was reading
in between seeing clients. And she was an addiction psychiatrist
and didn't realize it, had no kind of recognition that
(10:35):
her own behavior was that addictive.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So what she had was an addiction. It wasn't just
that she was into reading these books. It doesn't have
the same physiological effect as it does if you're addicted
to alcohols.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Absolutely it's I mean, there are some physical things that
are different when you're you know, on heroin or fentanyl
or whatever, but it really is affecting that dopamine system
that we have, and that there is this seesar that
we have between pleasure and pain, and that, as you know,
we can maybe start with a compulsion to do something
(11:09):
or a desire to do something, but when we move
into addiction that there tends to be higher tolerance, Like
you need more and more to get the same hit.
I think you were saying the other day that you'd
started rereading parts of a book that you had liked.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I've been going through this recently, and I think because
I'm in a long term relationship, I've suddenly started to
get all hot and bothered. Well, it started with that
a book called Romantic Comedy, which has written I think
it's Curtis Siddon.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, sit close, guy, Yes, yeah, it's a woman actually,
oh yeah, and we've read her for.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Book clubs, so it's literally in that good book in
that and the book was so fantastic. But what I
loved about it it was a woman who worked, for
for all intents and purposes, Saturday Night Live. She's a writer,
and she watches male writers who look average crack on
all the famous stars that come on the show, much younger,
much younger, And that constantly happens in that world and
(12:05):
she said she's an average looking, smart, funny woman, but
that never happens. And then this sort of guy who's
been famous for a number of years, this rock star,
comes on the show and she feels a thing for him,
but can't believe that he'd feel it for her. Then
lockdown happens, and they write each other a series of emails.
I got so swept up in that, so swept up
in the romance of that, I almost found myself googling
(12:28):
him to see what his albums were like. He was
made up, And then I found myself. When I'd finished
the book, I went back and reread it because I
wanted that hit again. And then I started watching Outlander,
which I started watching ten years ago when it started
and didn't watch much of it. I went back recently
and started again and got completely consumed. I had the
(12:49):
house to myself for a weekend. I watched the entire
first series. I ate my meals on a stable table
like an old mole in front of the television. MUCH
had to attach a drool sponge to my chin for
all the drooling I was doing. It was shameful.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
This was after you had interviewed Sam Hwans and I
interviewed him for a movie he'd done, and I thought, Oh,
he's nice, And then.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I watched that shot and I thought, what a waste
of a crush. I wanted to go back and interview
him again and somehow viscerally tell him how in love
I was. But I was in love with the character
he plays, Jamie, and I reckon that even Sam Hwan,
who's the actor, can't live up to being Jamie, because
Jamie is this character who will defend you to the
(13:34):
end of the earth. That's what women seem to want,
don't they doesn't matter how liberated we are, We're still
going for that protection stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I think in our minds we are. I think in
reality there are women who are kind of claiming their
power and saying no, I don't want that. There is
that article about, you know, the Barbie Beyonce Taylors Swift
thing that is basically that divorce. Roots are coming up
of that because.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Women are saying, you know what, I'm finding my feet
and I'm not happy with where I am. Oh, it's
just exhausting being alive, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Don't know, worry about myself.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
If there was an actual guy who spoke to you
is the way men speak in books. If you say
I love you and they go ditto. And you know,
I want you to say I love you till the
stars fall out of the sky. I can't breathe again
until you're in my arms. If a guy actually spoke
to you like that, you go, why do you get
off your creep?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
We would actually be probably texting the police or calling
the police and saying, come and get this guy stocking.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's a funny old world, isn't it. That's the kind
of thing. So if you'd like to join us, it's
called Double a Chattery. Search for Double a Chattery wherever
you're listening to this podcast right now. I'll see you there.
Hello, It's Amanda Keller here. I've started a new podcast
with my best friend, Anita McGregor. Anita has a real job.
Who knew, She's a forensic psychologist. She's sometimes intelligent, well
she is most of the time. We spend a lot
of our weekends together, walking my dog. We're having a
glass of wine, We're having a thousand cups of tea.
But we talk about everything. Sometimes we're smart, sometimes we're ridiculous.
(00:24):
But we thought that the things that we discuss are
probably the things that everyone else is talking about too.
Here's a little taste of what you can expect. I'll
see you at the end. Well. Hello, I'm Amanda Keller.
(00:51):
You might know me from well various media outlets.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
TV radio.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I do the Breakfast Show with Jonesy on WSFM. But
I thought i'd like to introduce you to a friend
of mine called Anita McGregor, my best friend in the
whole damn universe, and we thought we'd like to do
a podcast together. Hello Anita, Hello, a children's show together.
This is weird. Are sitting opposite a table normally when
we're chadding, we're walking my dog. We're having a glass
(01:19):
of wine. Somewhere we're making a gazillion cups of tea.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
That is our lives.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
That's our lives. I have this kind of media frivolous job.
You have a grown up job. What is it you
do again?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I am a forensic psychologist.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And when people hear forensics, do they assume that you're
digging up bodies in some kind of research facility.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Either that or they think that I'm interviewing dead people,
neither of which is actually true.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Hopefully not today. Let's check. That's so far, so good,
so good. So what actually is a forensic psychologist?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
So forensic means in the forum, So anything to do
with the legal system. So for civil or criminal issues,
we see offenders, we see victim I've worked with police
in Canada lots and lots of things, so anything really
to do with the court system.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
But at the moment you're working in Australia, you have
an unusual Australian accent. Let's just say, I'll admit that.
So you've been here from Canada for how.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Long seventeen years? And strangely enough I met you probably
in the first month or so of coming to Australia.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
When you first saw me though it was unusual, wasn't it?
It was very I wasn't drinking.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That was very unusual, let me tell you, no, it was.
It was what became a mutual friend of ours, Jackie,
who asked me to go and watch a Dancing with
the Stars episode. And I didn't know what Dancing with
the Stars was. I didn't know who you were, I
didn't know anybody in Australia.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
A dream, oh, I dream of living like that.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It was crazy. So went over there and Jackie was
dressed in a ballroom gown made out of drapes, and
she was so was I. But it was it was
extraordinary in meeting you because I had no context for it.
I had no context about the Australian situation, you know,
(03:16):
who was who and all those kinds of things. So
it was a lovely, great time to get to know you,
and and really we have been friends since then.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Forged at the hip we really are. So that's kind
of who we are and our history. But often when
we're walking and we're talking about things, we talk about
things that matter in our lives, and we talk about
silly things we've read during the week, or things we've watched,
or things we've read, and we thought, why don't we
share that with everyone, because I reckon everyone else is
(03:48):
going through the same kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Just as confused as we are.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Just as confused as we are. Initially I wanted to
call this Tea in Therapy. I'd provide the tea and
you'd provide the therapy. But it was thought that maybe
people might think it's an actual therapy show. And as
you'll see there certainly won't be that far from it.
So hello, and welcome to double a chattery.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Welcome.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I read an article in New York newspaper the other
day and it was about a new bookshop and it
was called The Ripped Bodice Tell me more, I will
anea look at what I'm wearing right now and more.
And The Ripped Bodice is a new bookshop that is
all about romance novels. And the thing that struck me
(04:40):
was that the q to go into their big opening
day went all the way around the block. And it's
set in the articles that more women than ever are
reading romance based books in a way that many people
aren't even aware that they're romance novels. But for example,
last year there was a fifty two point four four
(05:00):
percent increase in romance novels in comparison to other fiction categories,
which were down by over ten percent. So this is
the one category that's going through the roof. A list
of eight of the fifteen books on the current New
York Times Paperback bestseller list are romantic fiction. Virgin River,
for example, the TV series Bridgeton almost their giant Juggernauts
(05:24):
might even put Yellowstone on that list.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Men in wrangler jeans.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
In Australia, wrangler jeans were just the daggy jeans at
the boys you Knew Water to the school formal In Canada?
Were they a bit sexier than that?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
They're a bit sexier than that. And I lived in Calgary,
in Alberta for years, and the Calgary Stampede where there
was a whole bunch of men dressed up as cowboys
with the cowboy boots and the houtse and the.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Course the stampede, they did a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
There's some nose, I candy.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Let me just this is the thing, and we're all
too scared to say that we like it. I think
because one of the women she was listed in or
there was quoted in this article said, and she's a
criminal defense lawyer. She said, she's into cowboy romance. She said,
I grew up in Brooklyn. But there's something about being
totally transported, something about that wide open space, a man
(06:17):
riding on a horseback, a woman falling from him. I'm
a sucker for that. And that is Yellowstone.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Absolutely, And when you think about.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Even like Jane Austen, she was probably or she is
a romance writer, but because it was about satire, and
because she used clever language, and she had an opinion
about things that was seen as quality, that was literature,
literature and which it is. But if you put a
vampire in there instead of mister Darcy, it's chick lit
(06:45):
and it's a little bit shameful.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And a ripped bous on the cover. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So it's interesting, isn't it? Where we are that all
this stuff. I've always thought actually that Fifty Shades of
Gray was really a Roman because many of Sure, there
was a lot of sex in it. I had to
reread it many times, but the through line it is
like those Jane ere. It's like all those old books
that those old books literaly, yes, those things that I
(07:16):
think it's it's almost like a young ingenue, a young
naive girl catches the eye of a stern, older man
and it can she turn him to love her, and
you discover at the end he's loved her all along
but hasn't been able to show it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's so attractive, and there's such a recipe to it,
isn't it. It's just there's going to be true love,
there's going to be challenge, there's going to be lost
and gain. It's all those things that happen.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
It can be overly consuming, and as a psychologist, want
to ask you this in the same way that women
are threatened by men watching porn, but men will say
this has no bearing on real life. If women are
obsessed with romans and relationships that are so full on,
(08:04):
does that impact on how we actually live or is
it the same sort of thing as I know, the
difference between real and pornography.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I really think that that line is getting so blurred
between kind of what we expect in the world. I mean,
we've get people on Instagram and Facebook and all those
kinds of social media platforms where they're showing this kind
of a game where you know, I'm in love and
here's my perfect partner, and here's this, and I think
(08:34):
it really creates these expectations. And then you look at
your partner and he's, you know, the fourth day where
he's you know, been glumping around the house and and
he hasn't done the chores that you wanted him to do.
And it's this and it's that, and it just doesn't
match that created expectation that isn't reality.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It's interesting. We know it's not reality, but I wonder
how damaging it can be because you may not even
realize that you're going to bed at seven o'clock to
read your romance book and your husband's staying watching TV downstairs,
or you shut down your relationship at home because you
want to live more in your romance world. Maybe this
(09:17):
is what people do when they're playing games online. I've
never been a computer person, but that's the same thing.
So kind of escaping your real relationships may be Well.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It's really interesting that I was reading this book about
dopamine and it's this addiction psychiatrist. Her name is Anna Lemke,
and fascinating book. I've listened to a couple of podcasts
that she's been in and she talked about in the
book how she got absolutely addicted to erotica and mostly
(09:47):
about vampire romance. Her gateway drug was the Twilight series.
But then she said that she got to the point
where she was around the house she had medical journals,
and inside she had like a little romance novel so
that she could go and pretend that she was reading
a medical journal and being really smart rather than reading this,
(10:10):
you know, crazy romance novel. And that she had gone
and she talked about a time where she had gone
off for a family function with friends and that she
had reclused herself into a little room so that she
could just go and read these romance she was reading
in between seeing clients. And she was an addiction psychiatrist
and didn't realize it, had no kind of recognition that
(10:35):
her own behavior was that addictive.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So what she had was an addiction. It wasn't just
that she was into reading these books. It doesn't have
the same physiological effect as it does if you're addicted
to alcohols.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Absolutely it's I mean, there are some physical things that
are different when you're you know, on heroin or fentanyl
or whatever, but it really is affecting that dopamine system
that we have, and that there is this seesar that
we have between pleasure and pain, and that, as you know,
we can maybe start with a compulsion to do something
(11:09):
or a desire to do something, but when we move
into addiction that there tends to be higher tolerance, Like
you need more and more to get the same hit.
I think you were saying the other day that you'd
started rereading parts of a book that you had liked.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I've been going through this recently, and I think because
I'm in a long term relationship, I've suddenly started to
get all hot and bothered. Well, it started with that
a book called Romantic Comedy, which has written I think
it's Curtis Siddon.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, sit close, guy, Yes, yeah, it's a woman actually,
oh yeah, and we've read her for.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Book clubs, so it's literally in that good book in
that and the book was so fantastic. But what I
loved about it it was a woman who worked, for
for all intents and purposes, Saturday Night Live. She's a writer,
and she watches male writers who look average crack on
all the famous stars that come on the show, much younger,
much younger, And that constantly happens in that world and
(12:05):
she said she's an average looking, smart, funny woman, but
that never happens. And then this sort of guy who's
been famous for a number of years, this rock star,
comes on the show and she feels a thing for him,
but can't believe that he'd feel it for her. Then
lockdown happens, and they write each other a series of emails.
I got so swept up in that, so swept up
in the romance of that, I almost found myself googling
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him to see what his albums were like. He was
made up, And then I found myself. When I'd finished
the book, I went back and reread it because I
wanted that hit again. And then I started watching Outlander,
which I started watching ten years ago when it started
and didn't watch much of it. I went back recently
and started again and got completely consumed. I had the
(12:49):
house to myself for a weekend. I watched the entire
first series. I ate my meals on a stable table
like an old mole in front of the television. MUCH
had to attach a drool sponge to my chin for
all the drooling I was doing. It was shameful.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
This was after you had interviewed Sam Hwans and I
interviewed him for a movie he'd done, and I thought, Oh,
he's nice, And then.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I watched that shot and I thought, what a waste
of a crush. I wanted to go back and interview
him again and somehow viscerally tell him how in love
I was. But I was in love with the character
he plays, Jamie, and I reckon that even Sam Hwan,
who's the actor, can't live up to being Jamie, because
Jamie is this character who will defend you to the
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end of the earth. That's what women seem to want,
don't they doesn't matter how liberated we are, We're still
going for that protection stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I think in our minds we are. I think in
reality there are women who are kind of claiming their
power and saying no, I don't want that. There is
that article about, you know, the Barbie Beyonce Taylors Swift
thing that is basically that divorce. Roots are coming up
of that because.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Women are saying, you know what, I'm finding my feet
and I'm not happy with where I am. Oh, it's
just exhausting being alive, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Don't know, worry about myself.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
If there was an actual guy who spoke to you
is the way men speak in books. If you say
I love you and they go ditto. And you know,
I want you to say I love you till the
stars fall out of the sky. I can't breathe again
until you're in my arms. If a guy actually spoke
to you like that, you go, why do you get
off your creep?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
We would actually be probably texting the police or calling
the police and saying, come and get this guy stocking.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's a funny old world, isn't it. That's the kind
of thing. So if you'd like to join us, it's
called Double a Chattery. Search for Double a Chattery wherever
you're listening to this podcast right now. I'll see you there.
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