June 3, 2025 • 5 mins
David Pocock, Independent Senator for the ACT, joins Jonesy & Amanda to speak out about the measures that should be taken to help create a safer environment for women out for a run, encouraging men to be more alert to this issue faced by women everywhere.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jerzy and Amanda gem Nation a.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Big fan of the former Wallaby turned Federal MP David Pocock.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
He said some.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Interesting things recently in relation to two assaults on women
who are out on running tracks in Canberra and the
police message that told women to stay vigilant I saw
on David's socials on the weekend he uploaded this.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
This is one for all the blokes out there. I'm interested.
When you're running, what are you thinking about? Are listening
out trying to work out what birds calling? Or are
you a fellow Queenslander filthy about state of origin? I
don't know. Are you thinking about the Roman Empire? Maybe
one of the things I think you're probably not thinking
about is getting sexually assaulted? And I think it's such
(00:44):
bullshit that we live in a country where so many
women are worried about that are thinking about that when
they're out for a run.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We've got to do better.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I don't know how we solve this, but I know
as men, one thing we can do is actually talk
to our mates about it.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
True. David joins us right now.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Hi, David, Morning Jones and Amanda, what was it.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
About this police message that particularly got under your skin?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
My wife and I've talked about the just the difference
in our experience, you know, over the years, where I'm
very happy to duck out at night for a run,
not something most women feel comfortable doing. And then we've,
as you said, we've had two women in two months
here in Canberra assaulted whilst up running. And I've got
a few women in my office who love, love running.
(01:32):
And yeah, we were talking about in the office and
how do you actually try and get more men into
this conversation. It's often talked about as a women's issue,
but it can't be left to women to solve This
requires all of us. And you know, I think when
something requires cultural change, that us to start with conversations
and drawing more people into it.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And even chatting about it. I see it pretty every morning.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
She has run when I'm leaving for work at four
in the morning, and I always feel, are you all right?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I always worry about her safe.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah, you know, I think that's that's the reality. And
I think a lot of blokes just don't. We just
we just haven't had to think like that. We're not
thinking about or how to hold my keys when I'm
walking to my car at night. And you know, I
think if we want to change that, that is going
to take both cultural change and then some practical measures.
You say, here in camera, people love running around the lake.
(02:24):
It's really poorly lit. That's something that a lot of
women have been saying for a while. Now, put some
decent lighting up so we can we can actually not
run in the dark. So I think, yeah, we can
both work on the cultural change side of things as
well as practical measures. And then you know, law enforcement
saying after something like this while women just stay vigilant.
You can see why they're saying it, but it does
(02:45):
come off as not the right message to be sending.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You said, men talk to your mate. We all think
that men who have friends think that their mates would
never be like this. And yet I saw a terrible statistic.
This is from the AUSTRALIANSHU to family studies. They estimate
that more than one in three Australian men have used
intimate partner violence in their lifetime. And these are the
ones who are admitting to it. That's horrifying.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It is. It's a very sobering statistic, and you know,
I think that is the reality of this situation when
it comes to sexual violence, family and domestic violence. Is
that we as a society, we've liked to paint these
people as monsters. But these are our mates, you know,
these are people that we know who yeah, just just
(03:36):
have a really warped sense of what it is to
be a man. And you know, I think one of
the things our society and we talk a lot about
toxic masculinity. I think one of the things we need
to be talking more about is what is positive masculinity?
Where are the positive male role models? What does it
actually mean to be a man and to use your
(03:58):
strength to actually protect people, not to use it to
abuse your partner. So yeah, I think we clearly have
a long way to go as a as a society,
but I think we all have a have a role
to play well.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
And we're talking about it and that's a big part
of it as well. And it's it's pause for thought
and when you post stuff like that, you actually think
about it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Are right?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
And someone listening to this might think, you know what,
if I see a girl walking down the raiding yoga pants,
I'm not gonna yell at it or I'm just I'm
not going to do anything.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I'm just going to live my life.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, and talk to your mate.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Well, David, it's great to talk to you. What's going
on in Parliament today?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Anything anything going over the table that where you can
break for us Jones.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
The parliament's not sitting to end of July. The new
labor government have given themselves a very sweet long holiday
before we get back into It's a little bit it's
a little bit frustrating given the challenges we're facing as
a country. But you know, that's that's the reality until July.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's like Scomo times.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
You's having a break where here we're working.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
David's working. You're working, you're working on your reak, you're
out there running.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Well, well, yeah, the work doesn't stop, but you Parliament
won't sit for a while.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But David, thank you. I'd like to get you back
on to talk about all the stuff you say about
our gas reserves and where we are with that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
That's about that, some hot air about that.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Thanks you, thank you, cheers, thank you for co
Jerzy and Amanda gem Nation a.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Big fan of the former Wallaby turned Federal MP David Pocock.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
He said some.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Interesting things recently in relation to two assaults on women
who are out on running tracks in Canberra and the
police message that told women to stay vigilant I saw
on David's socials on the weekend he uploaded this.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
This is one for all the blokes out there. I'm interested.
When you're running, what are you thinking about? Are listening
out trying to work out what birds calling? Or are
you a fellow Queenslander filthy about state of origin? I
don't know. Are you thinking about the Roman Empire? Maybe
one of the things I think you're probably not thinking
about is getting sexually assaulted? And I think it's such
(00:44):
bullshit that we live in a country where so many
women are worried about that are thinking about that when
they're out for a run.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We've got to do better.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I don't know how we solve this, but I know
as men, one thing we can do is actually talk
to our mates about it.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
True. David joins us right now.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Hi, David, Morning Jones and Amanda, what was it.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
About this police message that particularly got under your skin?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
My wife and I've talked about the just the difference
in our experience, you know, over the years, where I'm
very happy to duck out at night for a run,
not something most women feel comfortable doing. And then we've,
as you said, we've had two women in two months
here in Canberra assaulted whilst up running. And I've got
a few women in my office who love, love running.
(01:32):
And yeah, we were talking about in the office and
how do you actually try and get more men into
this conversation. It's often talked about as a women's issue,
but it can't be left to women to solve This
requires all of us. And you know, I think when
something requires cultural change, that us to start with conversations
and drawing more people into it.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And even chatting about it. I see it pretty every morning.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
She has run when I'm leaving for work at four
in the morning, and I always feel, are you all right?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I always worry about her safe.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah, you know, I think that's that's the reality. And
I think a lot of blokes just don't. We just
we just haven't had to think like that. We're not
thinking about or how to hold my keys when I'm
walking to my car at night. And you know, I
think if we want to change that, that is going
to take both cultural change and then some practical measures.
You say, here in camera, people love running around the lake.
(02:24):
It's really poorly lit. That's something that a lot of
women have been saying for a while. Now, put some
decent lighting up so we can we can actually not
run in the dark. So I think, yeah, we can
both work on the cultural change side of things as
well as practical measures. And then you know, law enforcement
saying after something like this while women just stay vigilant.
You can see why they're saying it, but it does
(02:45):
come off as not the right message to be sending.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You said, men talk to your mate. We all think
that men who have friends think that their mates would
never be like this. And yet I saw a terrible statistic.
This is from the AUSTRALIANSHU to family studies. They estimate
that more than one in three Australian men have used
intimate partner violence in their lifetime. And these are the
ones who are admitting to it. That's horrifying.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It is. It's a very sobering statistic, and you know,
I think that is the reality of this situation when
it comes to sexual violence, family and domestic violence. Is
that we as a society, we've liked to paint these
people as monsters. But these are our mates, you know,
these are people that we know who yeah, just just
(03:36):
have a really warped sense of what it is to
be a man. And you know, I think one of
the things our society and we talk a lot about
toxic masculinity. I think one of the things we need
to be talking more about is what is positive masculinity?
Where are the positive male role models? What does it
actually mean to be a man and to use your
(03:58):
strength to actually protect people, not to use it to
abuse your partner. So yeah, I think we clearly have
a long way to go as a as a society,
but I think we all have a have a role
to play well.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
And we're talking about it and that's a big part
of it as well. And it's it's pause for thought
and when you post stuff like that, you actually think
about it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Are right?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
And someone listening to this might think, you know what,
if I see a girl walking down the raiding yoga pants,
I'm not gonna yell at it or I'm just I'm
not going to do anything.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I'm just going to live my life.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, and talk to your mate.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Well, David, it's great to talk to you. What's going
on in Parliament today?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Anything anything going over the table that where you can
break for us Jones.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
The parliament's not sitting to end of July. The new
labor government have given themselves a very sweet long holiday
before we get back into It's a little bit it's
a little bit frustrating given the challenges we're facing as
a country. But you know, that's that's the reality until July.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's like Scomo times.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
You's having a break where here we're working.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
David's working. You're working, you're working on your reak, you're
out there running.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Well, well, yeah, the work doesn't stop, but you Parliament
won't sit for a while.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But David, thank you. I'd like to get you back
on to talk about all the stuff you say about
our gas reserves and where we are with that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
That's about that, some hot air about that.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Thanks you, thank you, cheers, thank you for co
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