January 29, 2025 • 6 mins
The delightful Esmé Louise James joins Jonesy & Amanda for a chat ahead of her 'Kinky History | The Eggplant Tour'.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
James and Amanda's gem Nation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
When it comes to the kinky history of sex is
me James doctor ism. James has everything covered from front
to bed. She's got three million followers on social media,
so it's a lot of people. She's imparting this source
of information too, and she joins us right now is
may high Hello?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
How are we very well so have when.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We talk about history, we don't talk about sex. Have
we airbrushed sex out of history?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Absolutely? Absolutely? Go back to any of your textbooks and
you'll find that there's this like very crucial part about
being human having sex that is just absence. And we
will talk about things like how people ate, how people slapped,
all of these various things, but the one thing that
guarantee we have a history at all for creation just
isn't there. And we lose so much of history because
(00:49):
there's so much that we can learn about, just like
our relationships that we've had to our bodies, to the
ways that we express our desires, where freaky or not,
that we're just kind of missing from the story because.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
There's a lot of there's a lot of sexual acts
and I'm not going to be too graphic, but there's
a lot of them, and you think, well, who invented that?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I can probably tell you.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I'm just trying to candicoat this, and that's not a euphimism.
But say, for example, the.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Here we go missionary, okay, missionary, yes, let's start with that.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Who who came up with that?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
There's no you were actually bang on. It was the missionaries.
So there was a certain period in Europe, medieval Europe,
where missionary was considered the only position that the Church
would endorse. Why because they believed it was the least pleasurable,
especially for women, and they believe that sex for enjoyment
was a sin. This is a belief in European history
(01:45):
for a very long period of time. Having sex for
enjoyment is just as bad as committing adultery, right, And
so they preach missionary as the position for every good
Christian and it becomes the position that the missionaries preach
across the world world, and hence where we get the
name today.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What are some of the kinkid, more interesting parts of
history and sex that you've discovered.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I think every famous figure that we look up to
gens tends to have a bit of a kinky past.
You know, one of my favorite ones that I love
to quote is Einstein, a man who's you know, synonymous
with genius. He had very passionate beliefs that monogamy was
the fruit of all evil. For Nan, he believed that
everyone should express free love and that humans would be
(02:31):
happier if we shared each other around. And he very
much practiced what he preached when it came to that,
Oh yeah, he's got some hair to tug.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Really, are we meant to be monogamous?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Like if you went back, say to the five hundred BC,
were they monogamous back then?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
We have very different relationship structures throughout history, which is
also something that's so interesting. I think today about monogamy
is just something that we assume, but a lot of
cultures don't practice monogamy or they have different understandings of
how that works. So back in places like ancient Rome,
for example, it was very common for men, especially to
engage in multiple different relationships, but also there's a lot
(03:12):
of exploration with other men and for women as well.
In places like ancient Rome, you know, we don't have
that concept yet of binary genders, and so there is
this kind of free flowing love, but you would have
your person on paper that you're kind of married to
for political reasons or social.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Reasons, and was it also for security reasons because it
wasn't that the old adage that men would have sex
with anybody, but the structure of marriage met women had
a protector.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yes, yes, and you've got your protector, you've got your
kind of financial person there. But you know, when you
get periods of time where the Spartans go off to war,
they're boosting morale between each other. Women are keeping themselves
equally interested, like back at the house.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
What are you doing, soldier, I'm fisty morals. That's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Was also saying that was really encouraged for a lot
of armies. We had this army called the Band of Thebes,
which was an army made up of one hundred and
fifty gay couples essentially, and the theory behind it was
that these men would fight harder on the battlefield if
they were protecting the man that they loved. And it
(04:21):
worked like this is the band that you know defeated
the Spartans.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Because Alexander the Great was he gay? Yeah he was gay?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yes, Well, but then again it's really hard, right because
we don't even have concepts yet of homosexuality and heterosexuality.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Was that the church that shifted that it is and.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
We only gained this concept about two hundred and fifty
years ago. It's something that's quite new in thinking.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
So when you perform your stage show, because you are
taking your eggplant tour around the country, do you have
audio visuals? What's the show like?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
It is a bit of everything. We have bellsque dancers.
I do a tap dance as a giant eggplant, so,
you know, wonderful. But also we've got a lot of,
as you say, audio visuals. I believe that everyone should
see the pictures of the prehistoric sex toys that I'm
talking about. You know, it's really important. But also, as
you know, this is a fantastic way to learn. These
(05:17):
stories are fun and they're quirky, and you know, they're real.
They're real, and it's a huge part of history, and
you know, we need to make history more fun.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
It was the first person to use the eggplant as
an emoji.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Oh as an emoji?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Some when did that become?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
You know, because now when you text something, you can't
send eggplants.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You can't send spurdy water.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But you'd be sending an eggplant. I'm at the grocery store.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm learning a lot about you.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I'm getting egg plant in spurdy water. Now, I don't
know why. You know, someone had to come up with that,
I think so well.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I do know that some people do use it innocently
because when my Bookkinky History came out, I've got a
big eggplant on the cover, and I have found it
in the cooking section times really cooking up storm.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
In the fascinating kinky absolutely fascinating doctors May James. For
tickets to ticket Kinky History Live the Eggplant Tour, go
to bomb Presents dot com.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
ESM Thank you for coming in.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Loved it.
James and Amanda's gem Nation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
When it comes to the kinky history of sex is
me James doctor ism. James has everything covered from front
to bed. She's got three million followers on social media,
so it's a lot of people. She's imparting this source
of information too, and she joins us right now is
may high Hello?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
How are we very well so have when.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We talk about history, we don't talk about sex. Have
we airbrushed sex out of history?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Absolutely? Absolutely? Go back to any of your textbooks and
you'll find that there's this like very crucial part about
being human having sex that is just absence. And we
will talk about things like how people ate, how people slapped,
all of these various things, but the one thing that
guarantee we have a history at all for creation just
isn't there. And we lose so much of history because
(00:49):
there's so much that we can learn about, just like
our relationships that we've had to our bodies, to the
ways that we express our desires, where freaky or not,
that we're just kind of missing from the story because.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
There's a lot of there's a lot of sexual acts
and I'm not going to be too graphic, but there's
a lot of them, and you think, well, who invented that?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I can probably tell you.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I'm just trying to candicoat this, and that's not a euphimism.
But say, for example, the.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Here we go missionary, okay, missionary, yes, let's start with that.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Who who came up with that?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
There's no you were actually bang on. It was the missionaries.
So there was a certain period in Europe, medieval Europe,
where missionary was considered the only position that the Church
would endorse. Why because they believed it was the least pleasurable,
especially for women, and they believe that sex for enjoyment
was a sin. This is a belief in European history
(01:45):
for a very long period of time. Having sex for
enjoyment is just as bad as committing adultery, right, And
so they preach missionary as the position for every good
Christian and it becomes the position that the missionaries preach
across the world world, and hence where we get the
name today.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What are some of the kinkid, more interesting parts of
history and sex that you've discovered.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I think every famous figure that we look up to
gens tends to have a bit of a kinky past.
You know, one of my favorite ones that I love
to quote is Einstein, a man who's you know, synonymous
with genius. He had very passionate beliefs that monogamy was
the fruit of all evil. For Nan, he believed that
everyone should express free love and that humans would be
(02:31):
happier if we shared each other around. And he very
much practiced what he preached when it came to that,
Oh yeah, he's got some hair to tug.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Really, are we meant to be monogamous?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Like if you went back, say to the five hundred BC,
were they monogamous back then?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
We have very different relationship structures throughout history, which is
also something that's so interesting. I think today about monogamy
is just something that we assume, but a lot of
cultures don't practice monogamy or they have different understandings of
how that works. So back in places like ancient Rome,
for example, it was very common for men, especially to
engage in multiple different relationships, but also there's a lot
(03:12):
of exploration with other men and for women as well.
In places like ancient Rome, you know, we don't have
that concept yet of binary genders, and so there is
this kind of free flowing love, but you would have
your person on paper that you're kind of married to
for political reasons or social.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Reasons, and was it also for security reasons because it
wasn't that the old adage that men would have sex
with anybody, but the structure of marriage met women had
a protector.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yes, yes, and you've got your protector, you've got your
kind of financial person there. But you know, when you
get periods of time where the Spartans go off to war,
they're boosting morale between each other. Women are keeping themselves
equally interested, like back at the house.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
What are you doing, soldier, I'm fisty morals. That's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Was also saying that was really encouraged for a lot
of armies. We had this army called the Band of Thebes,
which was an army made up of one hundred and
fifty gay couples essentially, and the theory behind it was
that these men would fight harder on the battlefield if
they were protecting the man that they loved. And it
(04:21):
worked like this is the band that you know defeated
the Spartans.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Because Alexander the Great was he gay? Yeah he was gay?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yes, Well, but then again it's really hard, right because
we don't even have concepts yet of homosexuality and heterosexuality.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Was that the church that shifted that it is and.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
We only gained this concept about two hundred and fifty
years ago. It's something that's quite new in thinking.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
So when you perform your stage show, because you are
taking your eggplant tour around the country, do you have
audio visuals? What's the show like?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
It is a bit of everything. We have bellsque dancers.
I do a tap dance as a giant eggplant, so,
you know, wonderful. But also we've got a lot of,
as you say, audio visuals. I believe that everyone should
see the pictures of the prehistoric sex toys that I'm
talking about. You know, it's really important. But also, as
you know, this is a fantastic way to learn. These
(05:17):
stories are fun and they're quirky, and you know, they're real.
They're real, and it's a huge part of history, and
you know, we need to make history more fun.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
It was the first person to use the eggplant as
an emoji.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Oh as an emoji?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Some when did that become?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
You know, because now when you text something, you can't
send eggplants.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You can't send spurdy water.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
But you'd be sending an eggplant. I'm at the grocery store.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm learning a lot about you.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I'm getting egg plant in spurdy water. Now, I don't
know why. You know, someone had to come up with that,
I think so well.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I do know that some people do use it innocently
because when my Bookkinky History came out, I've got a
big eggplant on the cover, and I have found it
in the cooking section times really cooking up storm.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
In the fascinating kinky absolutely fascinating doctors May James. For
tickets to ticket Kinky History Live the Eggplant Tour, go
to bomb Presents dot com.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
ESM Thank you for coming in.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Loved it.
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