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Speaker 1 (00:10):
And Amanda jam Nation.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Gloria Allread. Our next guest has represented victims in some
of the biggest cases we've seen, from Bill Cosby to
Michael Jackson, R Kelly Harvey Weinstein, and now she's representing
twenty seven victims of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and
alleged victims of Gallaine Maxwell. She joins us. Now, Gloria, Hello, Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Thank you very much for inviting me. Well, it's great,
Jonesy and Amanda, that's us. Are there any questions?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
A million questions, and I don't it's hard to know
where to start. But this case, the Epstein files, the
story around Epstein on the front page, off the front page.
On the front page, the president says, nothing to see here,
there are no criminals here. How do the victims feel
through all of this?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Well, and it's obviously very traumatizing to have to reliver
it all again. But because this has been going on
for years, and some of them were children when they
were victimized, when they were sex trafficked, when they were
sexually abused, because they were vulnerable, and that's why he
did it. And so what they really want now is transparency.
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They want accountability. They want whatever form of justice they
can obtain, and they want the truth. They do know
their own truth, they know what happened to them. But
the big picture, whether others rich, powerful, famous men or women,
but mainly its men who assisted Jeffrey Epstein and miss Maxwell,
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enabled them and victimized them and sexually exploited them, or
assistant in trafficking. We want the answers to all of that,
and that's why we need to see all of the files,
the investigative files, FBI, Homeland Security, the prosecutors, investigators, the
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investigations involving mister Epstein, both in Florida where he got
a sweetheart deal where he only had to serve thirteen
months on two counts and register as a sex offender
and during the day get to go to his office
and work and at night he slept in jail. Who
gets a deal like that when the US attorney apparently
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have been considering charging him was sixty six. Oh felonies
didn't happen. So there's a lot officious, suspicious transactions, suspicious
tract activity, and suspicious people around. I think everybody in
that birthday book that you were just mentioning everybody president,
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former president, you know, Ambassador to the United States, other people.
Every one of them should voluntarily agree to testify for
a congressional committee. Let's get to the truth. I think
we owe it to the victims.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What's to stop the victims themselves in naming these men,
naming the so called clients of Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, good question. Nothing can stop them because they have
their free speech. On the other hand, exercising free speech
can have consequences. In other words, accusing a rich, powerful,
famous man of raping them when they were children child
sexual abuse would be accusing them of a crime. And
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that rich, powerful, famous man, who can certainly afford a
lot of lawyers, experienced high price ones, could soothe them.
And then the victim would have to defend herself, and
she can't afford generally a lawyer to defend her, and
so therefore she'd be stuck, and she'd feel intimidated and threatened,
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and you know, I would have a lot at risk. Though.
That's why they're not going to name them. But there
is a member of Congress who said, tell me the
names and then I'll name them on the Congressional floor.
That would give perhaps some kind of legal immunity to
the member of Congress who might enjoy that privilege of immunity.
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But I'm saying that's the answer to the question what
the consequences could be for the victim.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Thirty three thousand pages, that's a lot of reading.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Actually, I think they're probably more than one hundred thousand
pages if as and when all of the pages are
counted and also provided to the committee. Who's going to
read them, Who's going to develop the narrative, how are
the decisions as to who shall be deposed and required
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to be subpoenad and appear before the Who's going to
make those decisions. Let's face it, this is a political process.
However you slice it. This is a political process. It
does have some legal ramifications, but this is the way
we're going to know what we can know. And I'm
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sure there are many people are going to try to
hide the truth, but the victims are going to be
very persistent. We'll have to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, Gloria, that's fascinating, and that's quite the fight that
you've got on your hands. But thank you for enlightening
us on it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well, my pleasure. I've been I mean January I'll have
been doing victims' rights for fifty years, where the leading
women's rights law firm in the United States. And even
after fifty years, we still have many more battles to
fight to win justice for victims. That's our commitment.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Okay, thank you so much for.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Having me on, and we'll look forward to another time
and give you some more updates if you wish to have.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Absolutely, thank you, Gloria appreciate it very much.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Gloria, already good day. Thank you, thank you,