February 7, 2023 • 6 mins
Liz Hayes joins Jonesy & Amanda ahead of the return of Under Investigation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jersey and Amanda jam Nation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Well, there's one thing Australians are loving at the moment.
It's anything crime related, crime podcast, crime series and shows
like Under Investigation. We're Australia's most baffling crimes are reopened.
The show returns tonight and is re examining an eerie,
out back mystery in Western Australia.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Three men enter, one man comes back.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Is that what's happened?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Pretty much? That's what That's what I've said for the promos.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, that's all we need to know. We don't need
to talk to Liz Hayes. Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I need to talk to Liz, because you know what
I love about watching you on this good morning by
the way, Liz, I like when you look over the
top of your glasses. I like when you look over
the top of you That's what I like right now. Yeah,
And it's always that stern sort of Liz Hayes look
over the glasses and you know you're being serious.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Note three, three go out, one comes back. That's never
a good number.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
No, So what's the circumstances around this story?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Well, it's a it's a couple range. Jenny Kellers, who
desperately in love. Great a great couple. They go with
a friend, Graham Milne Gold prospecting out in the desert
in Wa and literally Ray and Jenny I'll never come back,
and Graham Mill does. Graham Mill is obviously a key
(01:19):
person to this investigation because he can at least give
us some details about what we hope to find out
what happened to Ray and Jenny Kellett. Ray's body was found.
He is dead and considered to be deared. Jenny Kellett's
never been found. So it is one of the the
outback of Australia always turns up something quite extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
There's a whole string of Australian noir at the moment
with books about mysteries in out back Australia. And you
can see why when in real life this stuff happens too.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, what happens absolutely and I think
if you think back too, which is a totally different
scenario scenario of course to Linda Chamberlain, and you know,
a dingo takes a child. But then you've got Peter
Falconio who's never been found. He's a British tourist who
he and Jenny leaves his partner are attack out out
(02:15):
in the middle of the desert. So, I mean it
is one of those things. It's so alluring, the outback,
but yet for crime it's a perfect place.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So this dude that came back, what was his explanation.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well, he actually gave evidence to a coronal inquiry. So
we look at what he's provided us in terms of information.
He says, they set out, he says, they have a
falling out. He says they have a dog. Ella. Now
this dog, by the way, is amazing. This is the
dog that tells everyone something's wrong. It goes to thirty
(02:51):
k's on its own, to the nearest township, and it's
from there that it's realized something terrible has happened. But
Graham Millne comes back, he certainly has a falling out
with him. He leaves of his own volition, and he
doesn't know what's happened to the miner that's that old.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Still, I don't know what happened there.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Interestingly, one of the other cases you're going to look
at around the war table is the rise of domestic
terrorism in Australia and the tragedy last year in December
where two young police officers and a neighbor were killed
on a Queensland property.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I think what we're looking at here, it's one of
those moments in time. I feel it's like the Lint Cafe,
It's like Port Arthur. It's one of those moments where
you go, hang on, what's going on? Is this something
new for Australia? And I think it's about conspiracy theorists
prepare to take that extra step and be violent and
(03:50):
I just peel back as this we can just how
prevalent this is.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And it seems to be the rise of the sovereign citizens,
or the so sits or so set or the cookers
as they're called. But they're going right down into the
worm or the rabbit hole of these conspiracy theories, and
it's quite frightening really.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I think COVID had a lot to do with that.
I think COVID people alone, people isolated, and people looking
for answers when they can't seemingly find any, and Doctor
Google hags them into a world where they meet up
with each other really quickly, and then they're offered what
they call a buffet of other ideas and before you
(04:32):
know it, they're all joining each other's protests. They're at
each other's events. Even though they don't necessarily agree with
each other, they still turn up because they're like minded people.
It's intriguing.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It's all that silo information that's them.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
As you say that this is now going to a
violent conclusion.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
But I tried to reason with one one time on
this during the Trump era a few years ago, and
and he said, well, what would as if we listen
to you? You're in the media, And I said, mate,
I've been in the media for thirty two years. There's
no con there's nothing, there's nothing. I don't there's no
and you'd be the same though when you list there's
no lizard people giving us orders or anything like that.
(05:13):
There's nothing there. But people are always looking for some
sort of con that.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Look, you know, if there's one thing that stuck with
me during this episode is the psychology of what to do.
And one of the first things you're told not to
do is to try and argue yeah, because that just
entrenches the them enough, oh you're one of them, and
it really entrenches that inability to listen elsewhere it's like yeah, yeah, yeah,
(05:41):
we've been told you're going to try and you'll say that,
of course, you'll say that. It is about and the
worst thing we can do, apparently is isolate people, make
them isolated.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You know what we need is you to look over
the top of your glasses.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
At them, and maybe you're drinking glasses as well.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Just look over the top of the glasses.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Take the good, really, really, Lizen, it's always great, really really,
it's great to talk you and The Investigation with Liz
Hayes returns tonight on Channel nine and nine.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Now, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Look, thank you very much for the opportunity. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
We did too, Thank you, Liz ser Liz
Jersey and Amanda jam Nation.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Well, there's one thing Australians are loving at the moment.
It's anything crime related, crime podcast, crime series and shows
like Under Investigation. We're Australia's most baffling crimes are reopened.
The show returns tonight and is re examining an eerie,
out back mystery in Western Australia.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Three men enter, one man comes back.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Is that what's happened?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Pretty much? That's what That's what I've said for the promos.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, that's all we need to know. We don't need
to talk to Liz Hayes. Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I need to talk to Liz, because you know what
I love about watching you on this good morning by
the way, Liz, I like when you look over the
top of your glasses. I like when you look over
the top of you That's what I like right now. Yeah,
And it's always that stern sort of Liz Hayes look
over the glasses and you know you're being serious.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Note three, three go out, one comes back. That's never
a good number.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
No, So what's the circumstances around this story?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Well, it's a it's a couple range. Jenny Kellers, who
desperately in love. Great a great couple. They go with
a friend, Graham Milne Gold prospecting out in the desert
in Wa and literally Ray and Jenny I'll never come back,
and Graham Mill does. Graham Mill is obviously a key
(01:19):
person to this investigation because he can at least give
us some details about what we hope to find out
what happened to Ray and Jenny Kellett. Ray's body was found.
He is dead and considered to be deared. Jenny Kellett's
never been found. So it is one of the the
outback of Australia always turns up something quite extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
There's a whole string of Australian noir at the moment
with books about mysteries in out back Australia. And you
can see why when in real life this stuff happens too.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, what happens absolutely and I think
if you think back too, which is a totally different
scenario scenario of course to Linda Chamberlain, and you know,
a dingo takes a child. But then you've got Peter
Falconio who's never been found. He's a British tourist who
he and Jenny leaves his partner are attack out out
(02:15):
in the middle of the desert. So, I mean it
is one of those things. It's so alluring, the outback,
but yet for crime it's a perfect place.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
So this dude that came back, what was his explanation.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well, he actually gave evidence to a coronal inquiry. So
we look at what he's provided us in terms of information.
He says, they set out, he says, they have a
falling out. He says they have a dog. Ella. Now
this dog, by the way, is amazing. This is the
dog that tells everyone something's wrong. It goes to thirty
(02:51):
k's on its own, to the nearest township, and it's
from there that it's realized something terrible has happened. But
Graham Millne comes back, he certainly has a falling out
with him. He leaves of his own volition, and he
doesn't know what's happened to the miner that's that old.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Still, I don't know what happened there.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Interestingly, one of the other cases you're going to look
at around the war table is the rise of domestic
terrorism in Australia and the tragedy last year in December
where two young police officers and a neighbor were killed
on a Queensland property.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I think what we're looking at here, it's one of
those moments in time. I feel it's like the Lint Cafe,
It's like Port Arthur. It's one of those moments where
you go, hang on, what's going on? Is this something
new for Australia? And I think it's about conspiracy theorists
prepare to take that extra step and be violent and
(03:50):
I just peel back as this we can just how
prevalent this is.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And it seems to be the rise of the sovereign citizens,
or the so sits or so set or the cookers
as they're called. But they're going right down into the
worm or the rabbit hole of these conspiracy theories, and
it's quite frightening really.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I think COVID had a lot to do with that.
I think COVID people alone, people isolated, and people looking
for answers when they can't seemingly find any, and Doctor
Google hags them into a world where they meet up
with each other really quickly, and then they're offered what
they call a buffet of other ideas and before you
(04:32):
know it, they're all joining each other's protests. They're at
each other's events. Even though they don't necessarily agree with
each other, they still turn up because they're like minded people.
It's intriguing.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It's all that silo information that's them.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
As you say that this is now going to a
violent conclusion.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
But I tried to reason with one one time on
this during the Trump era a few years ago, and
and he said, well, what would as if we listen
to you? You're in the media, And I said, mate,
I've been in the media for thirty two years. There's
no con there's nothing, there's nothing. I don't there's no
and you'd be the same though when you list there's
no lizard people giving us orders or anything like that.
(05:13):
There's nothing there. But people are always looking for some
sort of con that.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Look, you know, if there's one thing that stuck with
me during this episode is the psychology of what to do.
And one of the first things you're told not to
do is to try and argue yeah, because that just
entrenches the them enough, oh you're one of them, and
it really entrenches that inability to listen elsewhere it's like yeah, yeah, yeah,
(05:41):
we've been told you're going to try and you'll say that,
of course, you'll say that. It is about and the
worst thing we can do, apparently is isolate people, make
them isolated.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You know what we need is you to look over
the top of your glasses.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
At them, and maybe you're drinking glasses as well.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Just look over the top of the glasses.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Take the good, really, really, Lizen, it's always great, really really,
it's great to talk you and The Investigation with Liz
Hayes returns tonight on Channel nine and nine.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Now, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Look, thank you very much for the opportunity. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
We did too, Thank you, Liz ser Liz
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