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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And Amanda Gama.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
You get another shark attack in our newspapers.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
More people are being killed by sharks, more people are
being bitten by sharks, and more people are encountering sharks. Brendan,
how do you feel about this? It was really an
interesting story in the Herald this morning that there aren't
more sharks around. There's not more sharks, but thanks to
climate change and environmental factors, the sharks are changing their territory.
(00:28):
And not only that, we're spending more time in the water.
As it says here you can swim off Sydney now
all year round. More people are in the water and
so it's a growing population and the migration of sharks
because of the changing of the water condition and.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It's not just climate change.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Are the changes as well commercial fishing restrictions things like that.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
There is a disquiet in the surf.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
When mercury Philosarcus was killed on the Northern Beaches, that
really brought it home on Cronulla area and usually you
always think of those areas Western Australia, South Australia, even
the sharky parts.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Of the Northern coast.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We saw happened at Crowdy Bay there with these two
Swiss backpackers that are out. Unfortunately, his girlfriend lost her life.
He saved her life by attacking the bull shark. The
scary thing about that bull sharks are aggressive shark and
it's they don't usually munch two people. And that's the
(01:26):
that's a bit of a game changer. We had Blakie
Johnson on the show a couple of weeks ago, and
I felt, as I said, when I'm out in the
lineup in the surf and we get talking and no
one would ever really mention sharks, and I thought, we're
getting just a bit paranoid about this.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
And I put that question to Blakie.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I spent a lot of time in the surf, possibly
not as much time as you do, but lately I've
just been a bit uneasy, just for the spate of
shark attacks that we had. Am I being a bit
of a panicky pants about this? Do you think, how
do you feel?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I'm a bit.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Reckless and I feel something a bit eerie about at
the moment too.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Then there's obvious signs, lots of fish running, lots of sightings,
and the whales around, it's just there. There's something a
bit unusual about it, so I'm definitely treating it with
a bit more caution than I normally would.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
There's a lot of bust ups. That's when the fish
break the surface. When I go for a paddle. There's
a lot of bait fish in the water. A few
weeks ago, I had an encounter. I thought it was
with a bull shark, but it was a big seal
that had come into the bay that I usually paddle
because what I do is I've got my stand up board.
I use that in the surf and then when there's
(02:31):
no surf, I just go for a health paddle on
my board, but also windsurf as well. And I plopped
in the water the other day and I was floating
around in the middle of the bay, just mucking around
with the sail. It was a nice day, and I've
never thought about sharks in the water. It's not something
I get panicky about. But I'd spent about five minutes
just setting the sail as I'm floating in the middle
of the bay, and I thought, wait, let's not caught,
(02:53):
let's not tempt faighting. So these are the things that
you think of. I think about like the young man
who rests Giddy's girlfriend at Crowdy Bay. There was a
lady on the beach. She used her swimming costume as
a tornaquet to save this guy's life. So you start
thinking about these things when you're out. You think about
your leg rape, you think about when you fall in
the water, you think about how many other people are
(03:15):
out surfing.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
There's all these little things.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And in the time that I've been I re discovered
surfing probably in twenty thirteen through stand up paddle boards,
and I've pretty much every day out in the surf
in that time.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I've had three encounters.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
With sharks, which is a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So that's over twelve years.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And when I say encounters within a twenty meter radius
Cronulla point. I was out there with a mate and
I said, is that a He looked at me and
he said, what's that And I said, oh, that's just
a dolphin. And then we saw the dorsal and the
upright tail fin. That's not a dolphin. That was a
great white shark. A big shark was documented. That was
a big shark. And I've seen bull sharks, but bull
sharks are more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
A made of mine.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Johno was at Chelley beach at Cronulla and he went
out there just to relax, and this thing came towards him.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He thought it was a seal. It was a bullshark.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
He put both his hands out on its snout and
pushed it away. The thing didn't come back, but like
John I said, he thought that was his number, because
the thing just rushed him.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, there's some discussion, as there often is when these
things happen, about culling the sharks. As part of this
article in the Herald this morning, this professor has worn
that the loss of the top predators such as white
sharks would disrupt ecosystems, potentially disrupting food web dynamics and
commercial fisheries and tourism. So you need to give thought
(04:36):
as to what you do. I mean, as I said,
it's the population growing as well as other factors. Here.
There's not more sharks, We're just seeing more of them.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, yeah, And it's something I can't answer. I don't
know about culling them. In the old days, Vic Haslop
he used to go he used to make a whole
thing about killing sharks. He wanted not that he wanted
sharks gone, but he would say, well, you know, it's
better them than us.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I think we've changed our fear feelings.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But you know, sharks aren't going to discriminate. They're going
to mention into whatever they're doing. That's right, And there's
more people use the waterways, but I'm not.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Do we have the right to take them out? No?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I don't know anyway, I have.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
No one to take care out there.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
People.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Maybe you should take up land.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Take up different parts
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Take up ticket parts,
And Amanda Gama.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
You get another shark attack in our newspapers.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
More people are being killed by sharks, more people are
being bitten by sharks, and more people are encountering sharks. Brendan,
how do you feel about this? It was really an
interesting story in the Herald this morning that there aren't
more sharks around. There's not more sharks, but thanks to
climate change and environmental factors, the sharks are changing their territory.
(00:28):
And not only that, we're spending more time in the water.
As it says here you can swim off Sydney now
all year round. More people are in the water and
so it's a growing population and the migration of sharks
because of the changing of the water condition and.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It's not just climate change.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Are the changes as well commercial fishing restrictions things like that.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
There is a disquiet in the surf.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
When mercury Philosarcus was killed on the Northern Beaches, that
really brought it home on Cronulla area and usually you
always think of those areas Western Australia, South Australia, even
the sharky parts.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Of the Northern coast.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We saw happened at Crowdy Bay there with these two
Swiss backpackers that are out. Unfortunately, his girlfriend lost her life.
He saved her life by attacking the bull shark. The
scary thing about that bull sharks are aggressive shark and
it's they don't usually munch two people. And that's the
(01:26):
that's a bit of a game changer. We had Blakie
Johnson on the show a couple of weeks ago, and
I felt, as I said, when I'm out in the
lineup in the surf and we get talking and no
one would ever really mention sharks, and I thought, we're
getting just a bit paranoid about this.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
And I put that question to Blakie.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I spent a lot of time in the surf, possibly
not as much time as you do, but lately I've
just been a bit uneasy, just for the spate of
shark attacks that we had. Am I being a bit
of a panicky pants about this? Do you think, how
do you feel?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I'm a bit.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Reckless and I feel something a bit eerie about at
the moment too.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Then there's obvious signs, lots of fish running, lots of sightings,
and the whales around, it's just there. There's something a
bit unusual about it, so I'm definitely treating it with
a bit more caution than I normally would.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
There's a lot of bust ups. That's when the fish
break the surface. When I go for a paddle. There's
a lot of bait fish in the water. A few
weeks ago, I had an encounter. I thought it was
with a bull shark, but it was a big seal
that had come into the bay that I usually paddle
because what I do is I've got my stand up board.
I use that in the surf and then when there's
(02:31):
no surf, I just go for a health paddle on
my board, but also windsurf as well. And I plopped
in the water the other day and I was floating
around in the middle of the bay, just mucking around
with the sail. It was a nice day, and I've
never thought about sharks in the water. It's not something
I get panicky about. But I'd spent about five minutes
just setting the sail as I'm floating in the middle
of the bay, and I thought, wait, let's not caught,
(02:53):
let's not tempt faighting. So these are the things that
you think of. I think about like the young man
who rests Giddy's girlfriend at Crowdy Bay. There was a
lady on the beach. She used her swimming costume as
a tornaquet to save this guy's life. So you start
thinking about these things when you're out. You think about
your leg rape, you think about when you fall in
the water, you think about how many other people are
(03:15):
out surfing.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
There's all these little things.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And in the time that I've been I re discovered
surfing probably in twenty thirteen through stand up paddle boards,
and I've pretty much every day out in the surf
in that time.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I've had three encounters.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
With sharks, which is a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So that's over twelve years.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And when I say encounters within a twenty meter radius
Cronulla point. I was out there with a mate and
I said, is that a He looked at me and
he said, what's that And I said, oh, that's just
a dolphin. And then we saw the dorsal and the
upright tail fin. That's not a dolphin. That was a
great white shark. A big shark was documented. That was
a big shark. And I've seen bull sharks, but bull
sharks are more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
A made of mine.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Johno was at Chelley beach at Cronulla and he went
out there just to relax, and this thing came towards him.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
He thought it was a seal. It was a bullshark.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
He put both his hands out on its snout and
pushed it away. The thing didn't come back, but like
John I said, he thought that was his number, because
the thing just rushed him.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, there's some discussion, as there often is when these
things happen, about culling the sharks. As part of this
article in the Herald this morning, this professor has worn
that the loss of the top predators such as white
sharks would disrupt ecosystems, potentially disrupting food web dynamics and
commercial fisheries and tourism. So you need to give thought
(04:36):
as to what you do. I mean, as I said,
it's the population growing as well as other factors. Here.
There's not more sharks, We're just seeing more of them.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, yeah, And it's something I can't answer. I don't
know about culling them. In the old days, Vic Haslop
he used to go he used to make a whole
thing about killing sharks. He wanted not that he wanted
sharks gone, but he would say, well, you know, it's
better them than us.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I think we've changed our fear feelings.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But you know, sharks aren't going to discriminate. They're going
to mention into whatever they're doing. That's right, And there's
more people use the waterways, but I'm not.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Do we have the right to take them out? No?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I don't know anyway, I have.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
No one to take care out there.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
People.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Maybe you should take up land.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Take up different parts
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Take up ticket parts,
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