October 6, 2025 • 7 mins
Cooper Lawrence joins us to talk about Taylor Swift's new album, The Life Of A Showgirl.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
My Heart podcasts here, more Gold one on one point
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
The Taylor Swift's new album has dropped and everyone's going crazy.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
As you said, sixty five and a half million views
on Spotify. It's only been out for a couple of days.
What are the well, the haters are going to hate,
as we know, and people are looking for all the
disc tracks, all the information that's secreted in the songs. Okay,
but the songs that we love and the songs we
don't love so much. We thought we'd cross to our
entertainment reporter stateside Cooper Lawrence, who's a Swifty herself.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hi Cooper, Hi, good morning, yes, big time, good afternoon.
And there what time it is there? I know what
time is here?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Morning time here? And I think so too early for
the word secrete. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So give us an overview, Cooper, of the album and
what people are saying in general.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You know, it's funny because the Swifties, of course love it.
They've been weird for this. The hype has been going
on for so long. But it's interesting all the hate
that Taylor Swift is getting, and I need to make
a statement about it because as a as a Swifty myself,
it kind of bothers me because the concept, first of all,
Taylor Swift is more than just her music. You know,
the concept of being a Swiftie means you're part of
(01:26):
a community. You have all these kids all over the
country who like they have a lot of friends, or
they feel lonely, or they just feel like out of place.
She has given them a community, so that's really important.
And then you're talking about a woman who is one
of the most charitable celebrities, like of all time. You know,
we had this huge hurricane here too in a row
Helene and then Milton. She gave ten million dollars to
(01:49):
those people. Then we had the La fires. She gave
ten million dollars to those people. And she's been very
generous with everyone who works around her. She pays them well,
she gives them like great health insurance and every year
gives them life changing bonuses. So she's more than just
her music. She's really like set out this community of positivity.
(02:10):
So Okay, if you hate her, maybe you don't like
her music, and just say that, you know, because she's
not somebody to be hated. She's somebody who's actually kind
of aspirational.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well for her, I don't see why.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
But when it comes but when it comes to the music,
there is some and I'm just repeating what I've seen
written is people saying that the music, and maybe it's
now that she's in love, doesn't have the big isn't
as catchy, doesn't Well, there's still some distracks and things
like that, but the music isn't as satisfying. Maybe right.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think a lot of her fans were kind of hoping,
and I have to say, we have to take Travis
Kelce off all marketing from here on end, because he
was the one that said that's gonna be lots of bangers.
So we were expecting like shake it Off too, or
something that was really like a dance track and her music.
It's a great album, but it's definitely not I wouldn't
characterize these songs as bangers necessarily, but they're fun songs
(03:07):
and they're very it's our same honest open. You know,
people don't like the song would because that song is
very personal. It seems very uncomfortable for people because it
seems to be about something very personal about Travis Kelsey,
a certain body part.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, here's some of the lyrics. It says, forgive me,
it sounds cocky. He had dicmatized me and opened my
eyes Redwood Tree, it ain't hard to see his love
was the key that opened my thone.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Oh my god, let's have a listen to some wood.
Did you say redwood tree?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah? I mean I don't want to know that about him,
do you.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well? That is the thing too, is that talk about
opening her thighs, et cetera. Her young fans might find
this sort of the sexual nature new.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I think that's one of the big issues Amanda. That's
exactly it, because she has always been very you know,
all ages friendly for everybody, and this is a very
racy song. It's even it's provoc it's something that is
really not on her brand. So I think, you know,
the moms who are saying to their kids, like the
you know, the thirty something year old swifties who are
(04:17):
saying to their five year olds, hey, let's listen to whoops,
not this song. Let's not listen to this song, kiddo, Like,
may skip this.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
One because I look at her I don't see her
as a sexual thing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Like I write, I think that's the other issue. That's
the exact other issue, is that people don't look She's
never been a Christina Guilera. She's never come out like,
you know, hot, like look at my body. She's always
been very like, here's a sweet love song about heartbreak.
So for her to be so provocative all of a
sudden just feels really off brand. And I think there
are people that are very put off by that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
And what about some of these songs. Isn't there one
that's about Charlie XCX.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So this one's really interesting. I don't know if you
know this whole story behind it, but in a nutshell,
Charlie XCX basically drew first blood. She went after Taylor
Swift first because she is now married to but at
the time she was dating the drummer of the Night
teen seventy five, while Taylor Swift was dating Matt Heeley,
the lead singer for like five minutes. And for some reason,
(05:15):
every time Taylor Swift went backstage, Charlie XCX was put
off by her and said really negative things about her
to other people that got back to Taylor because it's
Taylor Swift. And then she wrote a disc song about
Taylor Swift saying really negative things about her, saying that
she's happy that Matt Heally ghosted her. So this was
Taylor Swift's response to that. Because Taylor took her on
(05:37):
her tour with her, she was trying to help her.
She was trying to empower Charlie XCX. And the very
first thing Charlie XIX did during an interview was saying, Oh,
it was like I was sitting there waving to five
year olds. You were on tour with Taylor Swift, this
all ages show. Maybe don't bite the hand. So I
think it came across very like yesh.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And that's another track from the album.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What's your favorite track for the album?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, it's the Life of the show Girl. I don't
know why that's not the first single for me. That's
that is the most interesting song. It's the most like earwormy.
It's when I heard the album for the first time.
That's a song that I kept like singing over in
my head. What about you, guys?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I like, like the show Girl? This is it here?
I heard it.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I instantly you play them that it is Earwormy's and
I love it too.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
She just does that. Well, I kind of like that.
That was for me, right, you know, I'm starting to
make my little bracelet.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And yeah, you need it bracelet. You need several of them.
But the other thing people like is Opalte because that's
a very romantic song. You know. She explained it herself
on an interview recently that that song is basically a
love song for Taylor, for Travis Kelsey and and you
know it's really personal.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So let's have a listen. You know what, Travis is
going to do something wrong and then she can get
a bit of the anger against midnight one night and
then she goes, you didn't take out the being married.
This is what happens. You didn't look after the kids. Cooper,
(07:16):
it's always great to talk to you. Thank you for
bringing the new New York Sounds is where you've got dogs, dogs,
You've got sirens in the background.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Hey us here, Yeah, of course it is Cooper Lawrence.
Thank you for joining us, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Thanks Cooper,
My Heart podcasts here, more Gold one on one point
seven podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Playlists and listen live on the Free iHeart app.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Jersey and Amanda jam Nation.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
The Taylor Swift's new album has dropped and everyone's going crazy.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
As you said, sixty five and a half million views
on Spotify. It's only been out for a couple of days.
What are the well, the haters are going to hate,
as we know, and people are looking for all the
disc tracks, all the information that's secreted in the songs. Okay,
but the songs that we love and the songs we
don't love so much. We thought we'd cross to our
entertainment reporter stateside Cooper Lawrence, who's a Swifty herself.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hi Cooper, Hi, good morning, yes, big time, good afternoon.
And there what time it is there? I know what
time is here?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Morning time here? And I think so too early for
the word secrete. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So give us an overview, Cooper, of the album and
what people are saying in general.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You know, it's funny because the Swifties, of course love it.
They've been weird for this. The hype has been going
on for so long. But it's interesting all the hate
that Taylor Swift is getting, and I need to make
a statement about it because as a as a Swifty myself,
it kind of bothers me because the concept, first of all,
Taylor Swift is more than just her music. You know,
the concept of being a Swiftie means you're part of
(01:26):
a community. You have all these kids all over the
country who like they have a lot of friends, or
they feel lonely, or they just feel like out of place.
She has given them a community, so that's really important.
And then you're talking about a woman who is one
of the most charitable celebrities, like of all time. You know,
we had this huge hurricane here too in a row
Helene and then Milton. She gave ten million dollars to
(01:49):
those people. Then we had the La fires. She gave
ten million dollars to those people. And she's been very
generous with everyone who works around her. She pays them well,
she gives them like great health insurance and every year
gives them life changing bonuses. So she's more than just
her music. She's really like set out this community of positivity.
(02:10):
So Okay, if you hate her, maybe you don't like
her music, and just say that, you know, because she's
not somebody to be hated. She's somebody who's actually kind
of aspirational.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well for her, I don't see why.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
But when it comes but when it comes to the music,
there is some and I'm just repeating what I've seen
written is people saying that the music, and maybe it's
now that she's in love, doesn't have the big isn't
as catchy, doesn't Well, there's still some distracks and things
like that, but the music isn't as satisfying. Maybe right.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think a lot of her fans were kind of hoping,
and I have to say, we have to take Travis
Kelce off all marketing from here on end, because he
was the one that said that's gonna be lots of bangers.
So we were expecting like shake it Off too, or
something that was really like a dance track and her music.
It's a great album, but it's definitely not I wouldn't
characterize these songs as bangers necessarily, but they're fun songs
(03:07):
and they're very it's our same honest open. You know,
people don't like the song would because that song is
very personal. It seems very uncomfortable for people because it
seems to be about something very personal about Travis Kelsey,
a certain body part.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, here's some of the lyrics. It says, forgive me,
it sounds cocky. He had dicmatized me and opened my
eyes Redwood Tree, it ain't hard to see his love
was the key that opened my thone.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Oh my god, let's have a listen to some wood.
Did you say redwood tree?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah? I mean I don't want to know that about him,
do you.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well? That is the thing too, is that talk about
opening her thighs, et cetera. Her young fans might find
this sort of the sexual nature new.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I think that's one of the big issues Amanda. That's
exactly it, because she has always been very you know,
all ages friendly for everybody, and this is a very
racy song. It's even it's provoc it's something that is
really not on her brand. So I think, you know,
the moms who are saying to their kids, like the
you know, the thirty something year old swifties who are
(04:17):
saying to their five year olds, hey, let's listen to whoops,
not this song. Let's not listen to this song, kiddo, Like,
may skip this.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
One because I look at her I don't see her
as a sexual thing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Like I write, I think that's the other issue. That's
the exact other issue, is that people don't look She's
never been a Christina Guilera. She's never come out like,
you know, hot, like look at my body. She's always
been very like, here's a sweet love song about heartbreak.
So for her to be so provocative all of a
sudden just feels really off brand. And I think there
are people that are very put off by that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
And what about some of these songs. Isn't there one
that's about Charlie XCX.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So this one's really interesting. I don't know if you
know this whole story behind it, but in a nutshell,
Charlie XCX basically drew first blood. She went after Taylor
Swift first because she is now married to but at
the time she was dating the drummer of the Night
teen seventy five, while Taylor Swift was dating Matt Heeley,
the lead singer for like five minutes. And for some reason,
(05:15):
every time Taylor Swift went backstage, Charlie XCX was put
off by her and said really negative things about her
to other people that got back to Taylor because it's
Taylor Swift. And then she wrote a disc song about
Taylor Swift saying really negative things about her, saying that
she's happy that Matt Heally ghosted her. So this was
Taylor Swift's response to that. Because Taylor took her on
(05:37):
her tour with her, she was trying to help her.
She was trying to empower Charlie XCX. And the very
first thing Charlie XIX did during an interview was saying, Oh,
it was like I was sitting there waving to five
year olds. You were on tour with Taylor Swift, this
all ages show. Maybe don't bite the hand. So I
think it came across very like yesh.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And that's another track from the album.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What's your favorite track for the album?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, it's the Life of the show Girl. I don't
know why that's not the first single for me. That's
that is the most interesting song. It's the most like earwormy.
It's when I heard the album for the first time.
That's a song that I kept like singing over in
my head. What about you, guys?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I like, like the show Girl? This is it here?
I heard it.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I instantly you play them that it is Earwormy's and
I love it too.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
She just does that. Well, I kind of like that.
That was for me, right, you know, I'm starting to
make my little bracelet.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And yeah, you need it bracelet. You need several of them.
But the other thing people like is Opalte because that's
a very romantic song. You know. She explained it herself
on an interview recently that that song is basically a
love song for Taylor, for Travis Kelsey and and you
know it's really personal.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So let's have a listen. You know what, Travis is
going to do something wrong and then she can get
a bit of the anger against midnight one night and
then she goes, you didn't take out the being married.
This is what happens. You didn't look after the kids. Cooper,
(07:16):
it's always great to talk to you. Thank you for
bringing the new New York Sounds is where you've got dogs, dogs,
You've got sirens in the background.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Hey us here, Yeah, of course it is Cooper Lawrence.
Thank you for joining us, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Thanks Cooper,
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