May 7, 2025 • 29 mins
It’s Mother’s Day this weekend, so we’re celebrating by bringing in Amanda's sons, Jack and Liam, for a special episode where they spill the tea about what it was really like growing up with a mum in the spotlight. Expect affection, awkwardness, and a whole lot of oversharing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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be taken as psychological advice. Listeners should consult with their
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hello, I'm Amanda Keller and I'm Anita McGregor, and welcome
to double.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
A Chattering with Mother's Day. Here. We thought we'd do something.
I'm a little nervous about it.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I've got my son's Ianna's nervous to Jack.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Hello, Hello, Lima Malo, Anita, Hello, Liam, Hello, Hi, thanks
for having on.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So we there's no.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Christmas gifts if we didn't get on here.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's a true bit of bribery was used.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We thought, I mean it just we're discussing it would
be nice to talk about Mother's Day and how our
feelings of mother would are reflected in our children. Really,
and bad luck for the two of you. You don't
have UNI today, so we Anita's kids are safe.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's you.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
We do the short straw, the short straw this time.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know, it's interesting because Anita and I often talk
about as every working woman we know, every mother we
know talks about how did we do as mothers? And
I look at the two of you and I'm always
so proud of the two of you, But my failings
are always in my mind, pretty close to the surface.
And I thought it'd be interesting to see your perceptions
(01:35):
of your upbringing. Obviously we start with how great I
was and work back to how great I was?
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Should we run off the bullet point list you gave
us emphasis on was.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Oh, I see where there is anita.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You know our family, you know very much that our
love language is snarking. I've been hosting a documentary there
is recently where I'm just I do the voiceover. It's
like a beautiful nature documentary, good Airborne and it's you know,
I call myself the fat and Brough. I'm trying to
be the female David Attenborough and Liam phone called up
the other day and I said, oh, aren't you watching
that lovely show Airborne hosted by that nice Amanda Keller
(02:16):
And he said, I'll put it on with the volume down.
That's how we roll souch in a nutshell. And you
don't have to be polite, you don't have to say
the things you think that we want to hear.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Careful when you look back at having me as.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
A mum, what would you say? And I'm not looking
for compliments. I'm looking for honesty and authenticity, and maybe
I've got some compliments.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Well, I've You've always been revered by everyone that's close
to me. Is one of the great mothers really open
with a compliment.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's usually the pooh sandwich.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
But no, I think you know, you've been revered as
a very genuine, you know, lovely lady. I had someone
come up to me from some event we're out a
few years ago, and he said, I've always forgotten to
tell you, but your mum was just fantastic, and she
was so witty and lovely. And I think I think
some people think maybe because you work in television or radio,
(03:22):
you might you know, it could all be a front.
But I think credit to mum. It's very authentic, and
that rubs off on your mother ring.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Oh what a nice thing. Oh my god, very nice thing,
what a lovely thing.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
No pressure to me. I'm sweating now.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I never did this because of the breakfast radio hours
I did.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I never did the school drop off, and I often
didn't do the school pickup. And I say to you,
like the Mother's Day things at school, I couldn't do
them early in the morning. Did it matter to you.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Not at all. I think you probably missed the worst
of us being grumpy and cranky in the morning. But
you know that fifteen minutes in the morning was never
a huge issue for us and probably weird for other people.
But for us, I found that it was always nice
to turn on the radio and listen to you as
we drove into school. They drove to school on their own, yeah,
(04:16):
or even just like. One of the vivid memories I
have of being sort of in primary school was coming
home from a day of school and running up and
waking up from an afternoon snooze.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That was my favorite thing. Oh memories.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I often wondered if your friends must have thought I
was an old alcoholic or something, because you say, I'll
just go upstairs and see him.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I'm lying in bed like I.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Was some old weetragging fresh and Mum's gin. But you're
always very respectful, also around the hours, because I would
have an afternoon sleep and it was hard if you
wanted sleepovers with your friends because I got up so
early in the morning to go to work. Isn't it funny?
They're the things I think are your poor things. You
didn't have that, but you did you know you had
(05:04):
the stuff. I'd like to think that matters, and it's
nice to you say that.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
I think you're always putting our priorities in front of
everything else. So you'd always check with us, like did
we want you to take work off or something like that.
You really pushed for us to tell you the things
that mattered, and you would always be there for those.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Actually, I remember saying that to you. You have to
tell me if this stuff matters.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
If it matters to you that you're in a three
legged race at the age of eighteen, I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I'll be surprised, but I'll be there.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
And I was so happy with that second place as well.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Still on the fridge, Why didn't you come first?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Could have tripped them.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
It's funny that when the boys were younger, they loved
to do the dress ups, and it went on for
so long that the school actually stopped kids dressing up
because you'd sort of reschool.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
When did it, but then tried to wear my Superman costume.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I wouldn't let you today. I'm not on placement, should
be in some sort of institution.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
But they then at one point you wanted you had
a variety of different outfits. And then at one point
you wanted to be Robin, and to my shame, I
said no because I didn't want you to be the
second Banana. Isn't that dreadful? I wanted you to be Batman,
but you were not allowed nothing. You weren't allowed to
be Robin.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
As Kathy Freeman, all the powerful female.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Figures, Gloria Steinman, I made you go to school justice.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
My Margaret Atwood costume.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Shall we go on to another question?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Please?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I think we've seen I'm a brilliant mother.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I mean, I think the thing I'm curious about is,
I mean, what is it like to have a mom
where you know, her face is on a billboard or
on the side of a.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Say it on the back of a bus.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Te scribbled in who did that? But like, what was
that like? Like having where all your friends would have well,
many of your friends would have known her, like you know,
I'm the weadish school. You know, people might have pointed
that at what was that like?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, I always recognized that it was unusual, Like you know,
just driving to school on the bus and then you
see you're getting on the bus and you know your
mum's face is on it. You know, I always went
that's you know, unusual in it, but it was a
in a cool way. You know, It's like it's an
interesting facet of life that I was quite interested in.
(07:43):
How I felt about it, and I never felt badly
about it. I think it get weird when you know
a friend would make a joke like, oh, I saw
your mum on the TV last night, Like that was
kind of more free game than if mum wasn't on
the TV. You know, you wouldn't speak about you know,
another friend's mum's job or something, so that would kind
of you know, that could get under your skin, but
(08:04):
it was you know, it's always respectful, and because mom's
so respected in the industry, that wasn't much bad stuff
to say, like it wouldn't be like your mom's or.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
When I started my only fans lonely fans.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
But yeah, there was there was one moment where where
what you talked about on the radio got got under
my skin. When it was a story about I'd left
a lunch box on the this story if you erased
it from your mind but completely get I'd talk about it.
If my kid proved their pants, first thing I'd bring
(08:41):
up on the radio the day after now, but this.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Was terrible, and I often use it as an example
if ever I'm asked at a radio conference or whatever
about where you draw the line, this is the story
where I felt, I feel I'm going to cry. It
was so it seems like a small story to you.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
To me, it was huge.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
That I'd unpacked and laugh about it now and maybe
one day Jack will too. I'd don't hate your school bag.
And there were ten lunches all squished in the seam
at the bottom runs of your cooking and I had
(09:20):
taken them out and put them all over the desk,
and because it meant you were buying your lunch and
all this sort of stuff, and I say, well, what's
the story here, what's going on? And I said I
should take a photo of that put on Instagram because
I thought I thought it was quirky, funny, but annoying,
because every day said no, I'm meeting my lunch and
it was here, just all stuffed in the bottom of
your bag. And I think I told you that I
(09:43):
wouldn't do anything with it, and I didn't. I didn't
put any pictures or anything. But the next time on
radio I found myself, and I hate that I did this.
I found myself mentioning it, and Dad said, he was
driving you to schools and this is the image that
I think is so terrible for me. That you heard
me talk about it, and you said, you close your
eyes and put your head back against the seat. And
(10:05):
I just feel like crying because I thought, And when
Dad told me that, I sobbed and sobbed and sobbed,
and I went out because I knew I had I
didn't have to buy your love, but you know, if
I've had a long week at work, hey let's go
to the Lego shop. So I went and bought you
a remember the ukleetle because you were learning guitar and stuff.
So I bought your ukulele.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
But what I loved and that was at the bottom
of my bag, the wake up.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Through that in the bin with his sandwich, that you
I'm just thinking the very estages of Maul Dynay.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
On everything, and you said, but the fact is, when
you walked in the door, I said, I'm so sorry,
and you said it's okay. And the fact that you
said it's okay before you saw that I was trying
to bribe you meant everything to.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Me and.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
To hear I know it was just And I've always
felt your home should be a safe space, and I
had betrayed that that you could you know anything that
happens in our home. You should have the right to privacy.
I would now I ask you, and I still would
ask you now, do you mind if I talk about that?
But when you were younger, I felt it it was
kind of up for grabs, And then as you got
(11:12):
older that was such a marker for me that you
were your own people, and I just couldn't assume that
anything that happened at home was an anecdote worth talking about.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Yeah, I think part of your job is to mine
your life for funny stories or relatable stories. But I
think there was always a clear if you don't want
me to talk about it, I won't.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Did I ever break you like that?
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
There were times where things that probably were funny anecdotes
to you. I then going to school and the teacher
you've talked about has heard it or something like that.
Or there was a time Jack and I at the
school we went to had a six month camp where
we go down and you know, no internet, no phones
things like that, and you also don't have any contact
(11:55):
with your parents or your friends who aren't down there
with you. And so I had seen Mum in about
two months, but the principal plugged his computer into the
screen during a lesson and on his desktop was Amanda
Keller talks about the school. And I was like, what's that?
And he played it and talking about me.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And bailing my eyes out.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Yeah, and I hadn't seen you in two months. So
that was a bit of a surreal moment where I
was a bit sort of taken aback where Yeah, So
that was the only time where I've felt sort of
a bit not violated, but where the system didn't really
feel like I was in control of the story?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Was it just because it was this I'm seeing her,
I'm seeing Mum in a different context, and I'm not
able to go and have connection with.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Her, like yeah, like I haven't seen Mom face to
face in two months, but here she is, you know,
telling his really emotional story about Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I never knew that story, lamb.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Yeah, And you know, obviously he played it because it's
talking about his school and he's proud that it got
airtime on the radio. But to us it's a very
different story. So he plays it to me and then
I sit there and there's nothing I can do it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And plays it to you in front of everyone else.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
In front of the class.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
The ignorance, all the ignorance, all the humanity.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
But ah, that is just you know, and I keep thinking, like,
you guys were amazing making it through your teenage years.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
That's all I was gonna say. No, No, it was
you know, you think about you know, school, and you
know just how sensitive everything is, like everything can feel
like you know, a terrible message or you know this,
and that you guys. Actually I was always quite impressed
(13:55):
about how you both were able to go and just.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Kind of say yea mom, no, mom.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You know you kind of were able to manage your
privacy through that. And the other thing that I think
was that I really noticed is that your mom, you know, Amanda,
you were able to kind of be really clear about
when you did cross that line, that when you did
make a mistake. And I actually think that that's such
(14:22):
a cool thing about being a parent, is that, you know,
it used to be I think I mean, when I
was raised, it was like parents were perfect yes, And
there was never any you know, question about parents knew everything.
Parents were the final say that kind of thing, and
that wasn't the relationship that you guys had with your.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Mom or you with yours, Anita. And this is why
I think it's interesting. Is it better or worse for
a parent to say they're fallible when we show the
chinks in the armor by saying I stuffed up, I
got angry and I'm sorry, or I shouldn't have done that?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Is that better?
Speaker 6 (14:58):
I think? So when a kid makes me mistake, you
expect them to say, if that you know, I've made
a mistake and I'm going to learn from it. So
it's wrong to think that the parents shouldn't be doing
that in return.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And so you didn't lose any sense of security in
knowing that we were fallible.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
No, I think if anything, it made us see you
as stronger because we were able to have that sort
of openness and you know, things weren't going the way
we wanted to. It wasn't like a brick wall in
terms of your mum and dad are always right. We
sort of were able to navigate those things with a
bit of you know, ninety ten split.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Remember that time, Laman, this is you know there are
a number of and I know that you know I'm
going to mention the rocket ship.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Here we go. This was when you were you.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Were really little, and we had a nanny and I
was back at work and.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You'd drawn a rocket ship.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And even Jack knows this story because I mention it
every ten minutes.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Two glasses of water.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well life had three. So stand back, here we go
and you said, there's Dad, there's Jack.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
You even draw the drew the dog, and you drew
the nanny in the rocket ship. And I know you
were just a child, but I can still picture myself
saying to where am I?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Where am I in the rocket ship?
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Someone has to stay back on earth to guide us home.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Only thought to say it could save all these years
later novel.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
That was like the whole.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Your poor thing that every time I bring it up,
you go, not the rocket ship. And also that terrible
time when I passed wind and blamed it on you.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Yes, I was thinking of that story when we were
talking about parents accepting blame. That was one time you
didn't quite except the we're walking down the street. I
was probably six years old and I just a man.
Was walking past us and I heard a and Mum
went Liam. That was the first time I think I
(17:15):
realized that parents weren't always one hundred correct.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
What a difficult lesson. Wow, How did you guys feel?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And we spoke about this as a family before I
spoke about this publicly, about telling people about your dad's illness,
about Harley's illness, because I felt as a family we
had that information for quite a while. How have you
felt about it since I've spoken about that? Has that
changed things for you? And I know we all spoke
(17:48):
about it before we made that decision, But in reality,
how has that been?
Speaker 6 (17:53):
I think for the most part it's been good. I
think it's helped us have more open conversations with each
other as well well, but also without like close friends,
getting more of an understanding and a view of the
bigger picture.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And hasn't had to be a secret.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Yeah. I think one thing that can be hard sometimes
is that, like I was saying before, your job is
to be everyone's friend. You know, everyone who listens to
you as a friend of yours. But I think sometimes
that carries over into people thinking that they can have
conversations that you have with friends with.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Us so so insightful.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
So people saying, you know, to just fill a gap
in the conversation, Oh, so, how's your dad going. I
think it's quite a hard conversation to have with people
who we've only just met, but they know a lot
about us through listening to the podcast and the radio
and things like that. So I think that's a challenge.
But I think for the most part it's been.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Because it's like, I think there's two two.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It's like a fork in the road when someone asks,
I think, are they actually caring about how it is
or do they just want the god like, is it
to fill their own void of curiosity so that.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
They can tell someone they'd hurt the story?
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah, And that's and just yeah, it's like you click
on a clickbaite article and it comes up because it's
just you know, that little thing in your brain goes, oh,
I want to hear. I think that can kind of
sense when someone's doing that, but I don't know them,
And then that is But then then also you can
have very nice conversations with someone because then they go,
you know, my dad also has you know, illness, blah
blah blah, So that that can come of it and
(19:24):
I think it was someone a while ago kind of
said that to me, and it was, you know, a
pretty distant friend. But the cathartic release he had of
coming up and saying, oh Dad, you know, because it
is a very unique thing to go through.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It can be a lonely time. Yeah, it can be
really tough.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Yeah, And so it's it is an interesting kind of dilemma.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Do you guys have.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Strategies or ways of dealing when, like when it feels
as all you're privacy is kind of or you know,
when when people are asking you and it and it
feels a bit intrusive. Do you guys have ways of
managing that? What do you guys do?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Kick in the throat, Yeah, yeah, I've never I don't.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I think I've got a bad habit of not really
prioritizing privacy at times.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I think I walked in here nude. But I think I'll.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Get it from I'm a terrible I'm a terrible overshare.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, when you get uncomfortable or like you just it's
like yeah, exactly, you know, give me an inch, I'll
take a mile if I think, oh maybe I should
say this, and it's.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like me at sixty four. Like I, you know, often
think when people are really intrusive about my world that
you know, I sometimes struggle with what to say, you know,
because you just want to you know, stop and maybe
look at them and you know, say what business is
of this yours? Or you know, without but I don't
know how to do it without being rude.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Because we're all people pleases, aren't.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, like you know, we're just yeah, we just don't
want to kind of avoid that conflict. So it's it's
really an interesting thing where it you know, sometimes you're right,
you know, Liam that there are going to be people
who you know, think that that they you know, have
the maybe the right or the just the interest, the
(21:17):
curiosity of saying, you know, how is horaly, how's your dad?
And that it's it's just such a it's such a
private thing in some ways.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Yeah, I think the easy answer is to say, oh,
he's fine, but obviously that doesn't tell the full picture.
And then entitled to have the full picture.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
And that's the thing, and sometimes even your friends who
are entitled to have the full picture. If you're having
a day where you feel pretty good about yourself and
a bit about good about life, and good about Dad
that you think. I don't want to have to deep
dive every time into how it really is, because if
you say, oh, it's okay, and they want to know, now,
really how is it? Don't Today is not the day
(21:56):
to take me there?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yah.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Yeah, I feel like it's I think you just learned
to navigate. Is if people are asking sincere questions and
you feel up to answering them, you answer them. But
if not, I feel like we, you know, just move on.
And I think I've been trying to do is talk
about Dad not from a disease point of view, like
just talk about, yeah, he was watching the f one
(22:19):
the other day, or you know, because I feel like
when people have a chronic illness, it's such an easy
thing to do to talk about them as if they
are their illness. But yeah, it's a nicer thing to
talk about Dad's interests and what he's been up to
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, and we've got a photo at home so that
the care and see a photo of us as younger people.
It's Harley and I as a younger couple of you know,
us as a family before all this kind of took
parts of him away, but I think that's a really
nice strategy, Lamb of.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Presenting who he who he is, not just the hard bits.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
And that's why in the early start, like we didn't
really ever talk about it.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And there's one way you can look and say, oh,
you know, not because it wasn't like we were scared
to talk about. It's just because that wasn't who Dad was,
and it's still not who he is, so that doesn't
always have to be the core, you know. That's that's
what I always you know, when we go away, when
we went to Japan earlier in the year, we didn't
never committed us all the good stories.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
About Dad that Hardy couldn't come.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
So but that every night we just tell funny stories
about you know, your upbringing and about Dad and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It was never ever when we're together, it's never that.
It's never that.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
And sometimes I try and you know, take you guys
out to dinner in case you want to have an outlet,
but it actually never ends up being there.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
It turns into this, It turns into us talking about
when you blamed farts on it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
There's plenty of years to come, you know. Something.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I had a drink with our friend Kate down at
the beach the other night, and I say, it's one
of my favorite parenting years was when Kate and I
would meet down there.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
She's got sons of similar ages. We're all friends.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You boys that'd have a swim, we'd have fish and chips.
And I sent you a photo saying this is what
Kate and I are doing. And I said these were
my favorite years. And Jack, you synthize this text. You
said your favorite years is still to come, and I've
stopped feeling that to a certain extent. Have you say that,
you know, you boys are so profound sometimes in what
you say and how you make me feel, and how
(24:19):
much you love your dad. I don't know this about
Mother's Day, so let's get it back to me. But
Anita has known you for many, many years, and this
seems like exactly the right forum to have this chat
about Mother's Day and about how much I love.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
You sometimes profound at.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Coming in here naked, and yeah, have you Mother's Day mom?
Speaker 5 (24:49):
We love very prayer, everyone's proud of you, and.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
We're always happy to have you as our mom.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, you don't have many options on You've been my
favorite children, apart from the dogs. I know well, I'm
(25:16):
overwrought entirely, but let's do our glimmers. Jack and Liam
are pretending they know what glimmers are, having listened to
this podcast every single every single week. Yep, yep, Okay, well,
who wants to start with a glimmer?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Jack, you start, you have true to reinforce my idea.
I just need an example to start with.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Okay, I'll go for Yeah, I can go so so
you guys actually might not even know this. I'm actually
doing my PhD.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And and I was just, you know, thinking the other
day as I sat in this class and thinking, what
an extraordinary experience to be on the other side of
the of the classrooms, because for twenty years I've tied
and it's just been such a joy to be able
to sit back and and and learn. What a what
(26:08):
a great experience it's been.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Make you a different kind of teacher? That's a really
good question.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I hope so like I hope that it gives you know,
because I was listening to the lecturer yesterday and saying,
make sure you're taking care of yourself, and I just thought, what,
you know, it was a really lovely message, and I thought, oh, that's.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Anita thought maybe I should stop just throwing chalk at
my students. I liked, like she's got her aim has improved.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
That's an example.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Well, Liam said he had one already, so.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Yeah, I can. It's a matches the theme of Mother's
Day as well. I've got a record player at home
and recently we're going through stuff in the garage and
Mum gave me free rein to shove rifle through all
her old vinyl records and I grabbed a few hours.
And the other night I was listening to Haul of
Notes while I was quick. I love that, And I thought,
(27:04):
you know how many times has Mum listened to this
when she was my age? And here I am getting
to listen to it as well.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yes, and the ones you chose, in particular the album
covers gave me a kick in the heart and it
was goodbye Allabic Road. There was a Monty Python one
No Nukes. It had Jackson Brown and all these other
artists on it. What was the other one, Billy Joel.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Yeah, there's a couple of Billy Joel's, a couple.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Of Elton John's, another Elton John as well. What did
you what did you leave behind?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The leah.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Oh, there was a lot of Barry Manilo. More than
was a funny amount of Barry Manilo was left in
the box.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
That's such a glim We had those do you remember
those friends that we had that there, This is a
terrible story there. Their host got round sacked, their holiday
home got round sacked, and they actually, you know, looked
as so they'd pulled up a truck and taken everything.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
They even took a joint of lamb out of the freezer.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
And Rafael through other CDs at the time and left
the older Celindons.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
And this so she was saying that she was offended
that the robber had left all her CDs behind it.
I'll go next with the glimmer, and then you can
have time to think about one jack. I saw a
hilarious piece of performance art in New Zealand. There's a
whole crowd standing around a guy who was you know,
you think, what's his act?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
What's he doing?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
His act in front of everyone was theatrically folding a
fitted sheet and so do the first bit in the
crowd to go fold the sheet, fold the sheet, and
finally he'd do a giant flurry. She'd get them all
to clap and cheer, and he'd do a final fold
on it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Has he got an instructional he should sell it?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You think you should sell an instructional booklet.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Well, my version of watching the folded sheet was my
hero this UFC fighters from Australia, Alexander Volkanowski won this
fight and everyone said he was too old all this.
The stats were just horrendous, and you know, I was worried,
but he brilliantly won the fight and then came on
the you know usually come on the microphone.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
And say if this guy, if that, if that, if
all this?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
But he said, you know, you'll doubt to me fair enough,
but adversity is a privilege.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
And I thought, what an what a what a beautiful
way to think of it.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Now whenever i'm you know, obviously it's not not fighting
for a bloody championship in I'm at UNI one night
and I'm thinking this is just a thing. Ever, I'll
go back to him, adversity is a privilege. What it's
I've never heard anyone.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Such a sick.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So we'll get you through that haircut that end with
the stats.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
We always convenient that we're out of time, so we.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Wrap it up
Speaker 3 (29:50):
M
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hello, I'm Amanda Keller and I'm Anita McGregor, and welcome
to double.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
A Chattering with Mother's Day. Here. We thought we'd do something.
I'm a little nervous about it.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I've got my son's Ianna's nervous to Jack.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Hello, Hello, Lima Malo, Anita, Hello, Liam, Hello, Hi, thanks
for having on.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So we there's no.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Christmas gifts if we didn't get on here.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's a true bit of bribery was used.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We thought, I mean it just we're discussing it would
be nice to talk about Mother's Day and how our
feelings of mother would are reflected in our children. Really,
and bad luck for the two of you. You don't
have UNI today, so we Anita's kids are safe.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's you.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
We do the short straw, the short straw this time.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know, it's interesting because Anita and I often talk
about as every working woman we know, every mother we
know talks about how did we do as mothers? And
I look at the two of you and I'm always
so proud of the two of you, But my failings
are always in my mind, pretty close to the surface.
And I thought it'd be interesting to see your perceptions
(01:35):
of your upbringing. Obviously we start with how great I
was and work back to how great I was?
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Should we run off the bullet point list you gave
us emphasis on was.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Oh, I see where there is anita.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You know our family, you know very much that our
love language is snarking. I've been hosting a documentary there
is recently where I'm just I do the voiceover. It's
like a beautiful nature documentary, good Airborne and it's you know,
I call myself the fat and Brough. I'm trying to
be the female David Attenborough and Liam phone called up
the other day and I said, oh, aren't you watching
that lovely show Airborne hosted by that nice Amanda Keller
(02:16):
And he said, I'll put it on with the volume down.
That's how we roll souch in a nutshell. And you
don't have to be polite, you don't have to say
the things you think that we want to hear.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Careful when you look back at having me as.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
A mum, what would you say? And I'm not looking
for compliments. I'm looking for honesty and authenticity, and maybe
I've got some compliments.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Well, I've You've always been revered by everyone that's close
to me. Is one of the great mothers really open
with a compliment.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's usually the pooh sandwich.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
But no, I think you know, you've been revered as
a very genuine, you know, lovely lady. I had someone
come up to me from some event we're out a
few years ago, and he said, I've always forgotten to
tell you, but your mum was just fantastic, and she
was so witty and lovely. And I think I think
some people think maybe because you work in television or radio,
(03:22):
you might you know, it could all be a front.
But I think credit to mum. It's very authentic, and
that rubs off on your mother ring.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Oh what a nice thing. Oh my god, very nice thing,
what a lovely thing.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
No pressure to me. I'm sweating now.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I never did this because of the breakfast radio hours
I did.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I never did the school drop off, and I often
didn't do the school pickup. And I say to you,
like the Mother's Day things at school, I couldn't do
them early in the morning. Did it matter to you.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Not at all. I think you probably missed the worst
of us being grumpy and cranky in the morning. But
you know that fifteen minutes in the morning was never
a huge issue for us and probably weird for other people.
But for us, I found that it was always nice
to turn on the radio and listen to you as
we drove into school. They drove to school on their own, yeah,
(04:16):
or even just like. One of the vivid memories I
have of being sort of in primary school was coming
home from a day of school and running up and
waking up from an afternoon snooze.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That was my favorite thing. Oh memories.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I often wondered if your friends must have thought I
was an old alcoholic or something, because you say, I'll
just go upstairs and see him.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I'm lying in bed like I.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Was some old weetragging fresh and Mum's gin. But you're
always very respectful, also around the hours, because I would
have an afternoon sleep and it was hard if you
wanted sleepovers with your friends because I got up so
early in the morning to go to work. Isn't it funny?
They're the things I think are your poor things. You
didn't have that, but you did you know you had
(05:04):
the stuff. I'd like to think that matters, and it's
nice to you say that.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
I think you're always putting our priorities in front of
everything else. So you'd always check with us, like did
we want you to take work off or something like that.
You really pushed for us to tell you the things
that mattered, and you would always be there for those.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Actually, I remember saying that to you. You have to
tell me if this stuff matters.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
If it matters to you that you're in a three
legged race at the age of eighteen, I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I'll be surprised, but I'll be there.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
And I was so happy with that second place as well.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Still on the fridge, Why didn't you come first?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Could have tripped them.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
It's funny that when the boys were younger, they loved
to do the dress ups, and it went on for
so long that the school actually stopped kids dressing up
because you'd sort of reschool.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
When did it, but then tried to wear my Superman costume.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I wouldn't let you today. I'm not on placement, should
be in some sort of institution.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
But they then at one point you wanted you had
a variety of different outfits. And then at one point
you wanted to be Robin, and to my shame, I
said no because I didn't want you to be the
second Banana. Isn't that dreadful? I wanted you to be Batman,
but you were not allowed nothing. You weren't allowed to
be Robin.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
As Kathy Freeman, all the powerful female.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Figures, Gloria Steinman, I made you go to school justice.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
My Margaret Atwood costume.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Shall we go on to another question?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Please?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I think we've seen I'm a brilliant mother.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I mean, I think the thing I'm curious about is,
I mean, what is it like to have a mom
where you know, her face is on a billboard or
on the side of a.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Say it on the back of a bus.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Te scribbled in who did that? But like, what was
that like? Like having where all your friends would have well,
many of your friends would have known her, like you know,
I'm the weadish school. You know, people might have pointed
that at what was that like?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, I always recognized that it was unusual, Like you know,
just driving to school on the bus and then you
see you're getting on the bus and you know your
mum's face is on it. You know, I always went
that's you know, unusual in it, but it was a
in a cool way. You know, It's like it's an
interesting facet of life that I was quite interested in.
(07:43):
How I felt about it, and I never felt badly
about it. I think it get weird when you know
a friend would make a joke like, oh, I saw
your mum on the TV last night, Like that was
kind of more free game than if mum wasn't on
the TV. You know, you wouldn't speak about you know,
another friend's mum's job or something, so that would kind
of you know, that could get under your skin, but
(08:04):
it was you know, it's always respectful, and because mom's
so respected in the industry, that wasn't much bad stuff
to say, like it wouldn't be like your mom's or.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
When I started my only fans lonely fans.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
But yeah, there was there was one moment where where
what you talked about on the radio got got under
my skin. When it was a story about I'd left
a lunch box on the this story if you erased
it from your mind but completely get I'd talk about it.
If my kid proved their pants, first thing I'd bring
(08:41):
up on the radio the day after now, but this.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Was terrible, and I often use it as an example
if ever I'm asked at a radio conference or whatever
about where you draw the line, this is the story
where I felt, I feel I'm going to cry. It
was so it seems like a small story to you.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
To me, it was huge.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
That I'd unpacked and laugh about it now and maybe
one day Jack will too. I'd don't hate your school bag.
And there were ten lunches all squished in the seam
at the bottom runs of your cooking and I had
(09:20):
taken them out and put them all over the desk,
and because it meant you were buying your lunch and
all this sort of stuff, and I say, well, what's
the story here, what's going on? And I said I
should take a photo of that put on Instagram because
I thought I thought it was quirky, funny, but annoying,
because every day said no, I'm meeting my lunch and
it was here, just all stuffed in the bottom of
your bag. And I think I told you that I
(09:43):
wouldn't do anything with it, and I didn't. I didn't
put any pictures or anything. But the next time on
radio I found myself, and I hate that I did this.
I found myself mentioning it, and Dad said, he was
driving you to schools and this is the image that
I think is so terrible for me. That you heard
me talk about it, and you said, you close your
eyes and put your head back against the seat. And
(10:05):
I just feel like crying because I thought, And when
Dad told me that, I sobbed and sobbed and sobbed,
and I went out because I knew I had I
didn't have to buy your love, but you know, if
I've had a long week at work, hey let's go
to the Lego shop. So I went and bought you
a remember the ukleetle because you were learning guitar and stuff.
So I bought your ukulele.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
But what I loved and that was at the bottom
of my bag, the wake up.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Through that in the bin with his sandwich, that you
I'm just thinking the very estages of Maul Dynay.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
On everything, and you said, but the fact is, when
you walked in the door, I said, I'm so sorry,
and you said it's okay. And the fact that you
said it's okay before you saw that I was trying
to bribe you meant everything to.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Me and.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
To hear I know it was just And I've always
felt your home should be a safe space, and I
had betrayed that that you could you know anything that
happens in our home. You should have the right to privacy.
I would now I ask you, and I still would
ask you now, do you mind if I talk about that?
But when you were younger, I felt it it was
kind of up for grabs, And then as you got
(11:12):
older that was such a marker for me that you
were your own people, and I just couldn't assume that
anything that happened at home was an anecdote worth talking about.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Yeah, I think part of your job is to mine
your life for funny stories or relatable stories. But I
think there was always a clear if you don't want
me to talk about it, I won't.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Did I ever break you like that?
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
There were times where things that probably were funny anecdotes
to you. I then going to school and the teacher
you've talked about has heard it or something like that.
Or there was a time Jack and I at the
school we went to had a six month camp where
we go down and you know, no internet, no phones
things like that, and you also don't have any contact
(11:55):
with your parents or your friends who aren't down there
with you. And so I had seen Mum in about
two months, but the principal plugged his computer into the
screen during a lesson and on his desktop was Amanda
Keller talks about the school. And I was like, what's that?
And he played it and talking about me.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And bailing my eyes out.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Yeah, and I hadn't seen you in two months. So
that was a bit of a surreal moment where I
was a bit sort of taken aback where Yeah, So
that was the only time where I've felt sort of
a bit not violated, but where the system didn't really
feel like I was in control of the story?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Was it just because it was this I'm seeing her,
I'm seeing Mum in a different context, and I'm not
able to go and have connection with.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Her, like yeah, like I haven't seen Mom face to
face in two months, but here she is, you know,
telling his really emotional story about Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I never knew that story, lamb.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Yeah, And you know, obviously he played it because it's
talking about his school and he's proud that it got
airtime on the radio. But to us it's a very
different story. So he plays it to me and then
I sit there and there's nothing I can do it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And plays it to you in front of everyone else.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
In front of the class.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
The ignorance, all the ignorance, all the humanity.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
But ah, that is just you know, and I keep thinking, like,
you guys were amazing making it through your teenage years.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
That's all I was gonna say. No, No, it was
you know, you think about you know, school, and you
know just how sensitive everything is, like everything can feel
like you know, a terrible message or you know this,
and that you guys. Actually I was always quite impressed
(13:55):
about how you both were able to go and just.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Kind of say yea mom, no, mom.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You know you kind of were able to manage your
privacy through that. And the other thing that I think
was that I really noticed is that your mom, you know, Amanda,
you were able to kind of be really clear about
when you did cross that line, that when you did
make a mistake. And I actually think that that's such
(14:22):
a cool thing about being a parent, is that, you know,
it used to be I think I mean, when I
was raised, it was like parents were perfect yes, And
there was never any you know, question about parents knew everything.
Parents were the final say that kind of thing, and
that wasn't the relationship that you guys had with your.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Mom or you with yours, Anita. And this is why
I think it's interesting. Is it better or worse for
a parent to say they're fallible when we show the
chinks in the armor by saying I stuffed up, I
got angry and I'm sorry, or I shouldn't have done that?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Is that better?
Speaker 6 (14:58):
I think? So when a kid makes me mistake, you
expect them to say, if that you know, I've made
a mistake and I'm going to learn from it. So
it's wrong to think that the parents shouldn't be doing
that in return.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And so you didn't lose any sense of security in
knowing that we were fallible.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
No, I think if anything, it made us see you
as stronger because we were able to have that sort
of openness and you know, things weren't going the way
we wanted to. It wasn't like a brick wall in
terms of your mum and dad are always right. We
sort of were able to navigate those things with a
bit of you know, ninety ten split.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Remember that time, Laman, this is you know there are
a number of and I know that you know I'm
going to mention the rocket ship.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Here we go. This was when you were you.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Were really little, and we had a nanny and I
was back at work and.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You'd drawn a rocket ship.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And even Jack knows this story because I mention it
every ten minutes.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Two glasses of water.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well life had three. So stand back, here we go
and you said, there's Dad, there's Jack.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
You even draw the drew the dog, and you drew
the nanny in the rocket ship. And I know you
were just a child, but I can still picture myself
saying to where am I?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Where am I in the rocket ship?
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Someone has to stay back on earth to guide us home.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Only thought to say it could save all these years
later novel.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
That was like the whole.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Your poor thing that every time I bring it up,
you go, not the rocket ship. And also that terrible
time when I passed wind and blamed it on you.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Yes, I was thinking of that story when we were
talking about parents accepting blame. That was one time you
didn't quite except the we're walking down the street. I
was probably six years old and I just a man.
Was walking past us and I heard a and Mum
went Liam. That was the first time I think I
(17:15):
realized that parents weren't always one hundred correct.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
What a difficult lesson. Wow, How did you guys feel?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And we spoke about this as a family before I
spoke about this publicly, about telling people about your dad's illness,
about Harley's illness, because I felt as a family we
had that information for quite a while. How have you
felt about it since I've spoken about that? Has that
changed things for you? And I know we all spoke
(17:48):
about it before we made that decision, But in reality,
how has that been?
Speaker 6 (17:53):
I think for the most part it's been good. I
think it's helped us have more open conversations with each
other as well well, but also without like close friends,
getting more of an understanding and a view of the
bigger picture.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And hasn't had to be a secret.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Yeah. I think one thing that can be hard sometimes
is that, like I was saying before, your job is
to be everyone's friend. You know, everyone who listens to
you as a friend of yours. But I think sometimes
that carries over into people thinking that they can have
conversations that you have with friends with.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Us so so insightful.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
So people saying, you know, to just fill a gap
in the conversation, Oh, so, how's your dad going. I
think it's quite a hard conversation to have with people
who we've only just met, but they know a lot
about us through listening to the podcast and the radio
and things like that. So I think that's a challenge.
But I think for the most part it's been.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Because it's like, I think there's two two.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It's like a fork in the road when someone asks,
I think, are they actually caring about how it is
or do they just want the god like, is it
to fill their own void of curiosity so that.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
They can tell someone they'd hurt the story?
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah, And that's and just yeah, it's like you click
on a clickbaite article and it comes up because it's
just you know, that little thing in your brain goes, oh,
I want to hear. I think that can kind of
sense when someone's doing that, but I don't know them,
And then that is But then then also you can
have very nice conversations with someone because then they go,
you know, my dad also has you know, illness, blah
blah blah, So that that can come of it and
(19:24):
I think it was someone a while ago kind of
said that to me, and it was, you know, a
pretty distant friend. But the cathartic release he had of
coming up and saying, oh Dad, you know, because it
is a very unique thing to go through.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It can be a lonely time. Yeah, it can be
really tough.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Yeah, And so it's it is an interesting kind of dilemma.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Do you guys have.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Strategies or ways of dealing when, like when it feels
as all you're privacy is kind of or you know,
when when people are asking you and it and it
feels a bit intrusive. Do you guys have ways of
managing that? What do you guys do?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Kick in the throat, Yeah, yeah, I've never I don't.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I think I've got a bad habit of not really
prioritizing privacy at times.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
I think I walked in here nude. But I think I'll.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Get it from I'm a terrible I'm a terrible overshare.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, when you get uncomfortable or like you just it's
like yeah, exactly, you know, give me an inch, I'll
take a mile if I think, oh maybe I should
say this, and it's.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like me at sixty four. Like I, you know, often
think when people are really intrusive about my world that
you know, I sometimes struggle with what to say, you know,
because you just want to you know, stop and maybe
look at them and you know, say what business is
of this yours? Or you know, without but I don't
know how to do it without being rude.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Because we're all people pleases, aren't.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, like you know, we're just yeah, we just don't
want to kind of avoid that conflict. So it's it's
really an interesting thing where it you know, sometimes you're right,
you know, Liam that there are going to be people
who you know, think that that they you know, have
the maybe the right or the just the interest, the
(21:17):
curiosity of saying, you know, how is horaly, how's your dad?
And that it's it's just such a it's such a
private thing in some ways.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Yeah, I think the easy answer is to say, oh,
he's fine, but obviously that doesn't tell the full picture.
And then entitled to have the full picture.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
And that's the thing, and sometimes even your friends who
are entitled to have the full picture. If you're having
a day where you feel pretty good about yourself and
a bit about good about life, and good about Dad
that you think. I don't want to have to deep
dive every time into how it really is, because if
you say, oh, it's okay, and they want to know, now,
really how is it? Don't Today is not the day
(21:56):
to take me there?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yah.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Yeah, I feel like it's I think you just learned
to navigate. Is if people are asking sincere questions and
you feel up to answering them, you answer them. But
if not, I feel like we, you know, just move on.
And I think I've been trying to do is talk
about Dad not from a disease point of view, like
just talk about, yeah, he was watching the f one
(22:19):
the other day, or you know, because I feel like
when people have a chronic illness, it's such an easy
thing to do to talk about them as if they
are their illness. But yeah, it's a nicer thing to
talk about Dad's interests and what he's been up to
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, and we've got a photo at home so that
the care and see a photo of us as younger people.
It's Harley and I as a younger couple of you know,
us as a family before all this kind of took
parts of him away, but I think that's a really
nice strategy, Lamb of.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Presenting who he who he is, not just the hard bits.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
And that's why in the early start, like we didn't
really ever talk about it.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And there's one way you can look and say, oh,
you know, not because it wasn't like we were scared
to talk about. It's just because that wasn't who Dad was,
and it's still not who he is, so that doesn't
always have to be the core, you know. That's that's
what I always you know, when we go away, when
we went to Japan earlier in the year, we didn't
never committed us all the good stories.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
About Dad that Hardy couldn't come.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
So but that every night we just tell funny stories
about you know, your upbringing and about Dad and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It was never ever when we're together, it's never that.
It's never that.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
And sometimes I try and you know, take you guys
out to dinner in case you want to have an outlet,
but it actually never ends up being there.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
It turns into this, It turns into us talking about
when you blamed farts on it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
There's plenty of years to come, you know. Something.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I had a drink with our friend Kate down at
the beach the other night, and I say, it's one
of my favorite parenting years was when Kate and I
would meet down there.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
She's got sons of similar ages. We're all friends.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You boys that'd have a swim, we'd have fish and chips.
And I sent you a photo saying this is what
Kate and I are doing. And I said these were
my favorite years. And Jack, you synthize this text. You
said your favorite years is still to come, and I've
stopped feeling that to a certain extent. Have you say that,
you know, you boys are so profound sometimes in what
you say and how you make me feel, and how
(24:19):
much you love your dad. I don't know this about
Mother's Day, so let's get it back to me. But
Anita has known you for many, many years, and this
seems like exactly the right forum to have this chat
about Mother's Day and about how much I love.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
You sometimes profound at.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Coming in here naked, and yeah, have you Mother's Day mom?
Speaker 5 (24:49):
We love very prayer, everyone's proud of you, and.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
We're always happy to have you as our mom.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, you don't have many options on You've been my
favorite children, apart from the dogs. I know well, I'm
(25:16):
overwrought entirely, but let's do our glimmers. Jack and Liam
are pretending they know what glimmers are, having listened to
this podcast every single every single week. Yep, yep, Okay, well,
who wants to start with a glimmer?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Jack, you start, you have true to reinforce my idea.
I just need an example to start with.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Okay, I'll go for Yeah, I can go so so
you guys actually might not even know this. I'm actually
doing my PhD.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And and I was just, you know, thinking the other
day as I sat in this class and thinking, what
an extraordinary experience to be on the other side of
the of the classrooms, because for twenty years I've tied
and it's just been such a joy to be able
to sit back and and and learn. What a what
(26:08):
a great experience it's been.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Make you a different kind of teacher? That's a really
good question.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I hope so like I hope that it gives you know,
because I was listening to the lecturer yesterday and saying,
make sure you're taking care of yourself, and I just thought, what,
you know, it was a really lovely message, and I thought, oh, that's.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Anita thought maybe I should stop just throwing chalk at
my students. I liked, like she's got her aim has improved.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
That's an example.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Well, Liam said he had one already, so.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Yeah, I can. It's a matches the theme of Mother's
Day as well. I've got a record player at home
and recently we're going through stuff in the garage and
Mum gave me free rein to shove rifle through all
her old vinyl records and I grabbed a few hours.
And the other night I was listening to Haul of
Notes while I was quick. I love that, And I thought,
(27:04):
you know how many times has Mum listened to this
when she was my age? And here I am getting
to listen to it as well.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yes, and the ones you chose, in particular the album
covers gave me a kick in the heart and it
was goodbye Allabic Road. There was a Monty Python one
No Nukes. It had Jackson Brown and all these other
artists on it. What was the other one, Billy Joel.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Yeah, there's a couple of Billy Joel's, a couple.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Of Elton John's, another Elton John as well. What did
you what did you leave behind?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
The leah.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Oh, there was a lot of Barry Manilo. More than
was a funny amount of Barry Manilo was left in
the box.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
That's such a glim We had those do you remember
those friends that we had that there, This is a
terrible story there. Their host got round sacked, their holiday
home got round sacked, and they actually, you know, looked
as so they'd pulled up a truck and taken everything.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
They even took a joint of lamb out of the freezer.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
And Rafael through other CDs at the time and left
the older Celindons.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
And this so she was saying that she was offended
that the robber had left all her CDs behind it.
I'll go next with the glimmer, and then you can
have time to think about one jack. I saw a
hilarious piece of performance art in New Zealand. There's a
whole crowd standing around a guy who was you know,
you think, what's his act?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
What's he doing?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
His act in front of everyone was theatrically folding a
fitted sheet and so do the first bit in the
crowd to go fold the sheet, fold the sheet, and
finally he'd do a giant flurry. She'd get them all
to clap and cheer, and he'd do a final fold
on it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Has he got an instructional he should sell it?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You think you should sell an instructional booklet.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Well, my version of watching the folded sheet was my
hero this UFC fighters from Australia, Alexander Volkanowski won this
fight and everyone said he was too old all this.
The stats were just horrendous, and you know, I was worried,
but he brilliantly won the fight and then came on
the you know usually come on the microphone.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
And say if this guy, if that, if that, if
all this?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
But he said, you know, you'll doubt to me fair enough,
but adversity is a privilege.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
And I thought, what an what a what a beautiful
way to think of it.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Now whenever i'm you know, obviously it's not not fighting
for a bloody championship in I'm at UNI one night
and I'm thinking this is just a thing. Ever, I'll
go back to him, adversity is a privilege. What it's
I've never heard anyone.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Such a sick.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So we'll get you through that haircut that end with
the stats.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
We always convenient that we're out of time, so we.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Wrap it up
Speaker 3 (29:50):
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