October 12, 2025 • 5 mins
Lisa spent last week in the courthouse for Jury Duty and this morning she told Russell all about her experience and what she could about the case she was assigned plus she tells what she learned about DNA.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So where you've been, Well, you know that I was.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I was on jury duty. And the first day fairly uneventful. Nothing,
nothing happened because you know, I don't know how many
people show up on the Monday morning, but the dura
numbers that they call out, you know, went up into
the six hundreds, and there were definitely definitely a couple
hundred people there. I'd say, I don't know that it
was six hundred, but there was.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
There was a lot, a lot of letters go out
in the mail.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And absolutely, and that that happens every Monday. You show
up and there is a queue down the street and
around the corner to get in. I'm glad it wasn't
raining that morning. So in we go, and then what
they do is they call they call groups of about
twenty i'd say at a time, and they go off
with their jury usher type person. And then so what
(00:48):
happened was it wasn't until the second day that I
got called in one of those groups of twenty, and
off we went to a courtroom and you sit in
the back of the courtroom, and from that twenty it's
all very random. The one of the court ushers then
literally pulls numbers out of a box and they're the
that's the jury. So you go up and when you're
(01:09):
getting sworn in, that's when the defense can say challenge
if they're not keen.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Because the legal team can say, I don't they.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Get two those they get they get two opportunities to
say nah, do there's something about them that doesn't sit right.
So I was on the cusp of missing out again
from the twenty. But there was one guy who the
most disturbing.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Body you've ever seen, and he's gone up there and
I thought, I know, I just know that because he
looks like he does not want to be He would
rather be in the in the defendant's box, I think,
than on the jury.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So I knew that the lawyer was going to say challenge,
and he did and then out came my number. So
on this jury.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And you didn't have anything up your sleeve to.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
They were quite happy. So there I am sworn in
and it's a rape trial. So I'm thinking heavy, very heavy, heavy.
Now you know I tend to joke most of the
time about most things. Well, this whole experience affected me
in ways I did not expect. This gets very real
(02:20):
when you're dealing with something like this. And also it
gets very real when you have to make a decision
that sends a person to prison and you have to
you know, there's all sorts of circumstances that can feel
extenuating that play on your mind, but you have to
make a decision based on what the charge is.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Because everyone thinks they make a pretty good armchair judge.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
You're an armchair yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, until you're in
the moment.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, I thought I'd be a person who'd be like
you hang him, drag him away right now. Well it
doesn't end up being like that. It's all very confronted. Yeah, yeah, probably.
So anyway, what was the moment. I won't go into
details about the case or anything. No one really wants
to know about that. But what was interesting was the
(03:12):
DNA And let's just say his DNA was everywhere. But
the DNA guy that comes in really really well spoken
guy from Pathways, you know, and we must have spent
three quarters of a day going through DNA. Now I
understand that you have to go through every single thing.
(03:32):
And I'm not a scientist, but I reckon after the
second page, I got it, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
So age one versus h two hypothesis one versus hypothesis
too one hundred billion times likely to be hypothesis one.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, I get it, I can follow it. I can
read the notes.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Now, why can't they wrap the whole thing up and
fish exactly?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It wasn't like and it wasn't like c Side.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Or nothing, nothing like La Lore or twelve angry men
all the twelve or rapid these rules what the Australian
the old Australian legal drama.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
In the in the jury room and the people on
the jury were great. It's amazing how quickly your bond
and it did. It did feel like we were in
a scene in the twelve. Other than the fact, as
I said, it does get very real very quickly. And
it was a very interesting experience. And I'm but I'm
happy to not have to do it again for a while.
(04:30):
And for most of us this was our first time
on a jury. One woman had this. This was like
her third time. And the because you have a jury
usher who looks after you. And she was telling us
that she had one person a couple of weeks ago
who said to her, I was only here three months ago,
and she said to her, tell the judge. He'll he'll,
you know, he'll let you go. That's that's too soon,
(04:52):
but it's so because it is such a random sort
of selection, anything is possible.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So that was that was my That's a life changing experience, really,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It was a lot, and you know, I was. I
was absolutely exhausted at the end of it. It's taken
a couple of days to decompress mentally. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Wow, Okay, there we go.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So it's good to be back in there.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Lisa had a week of holiday and a week of
not such Yeah,
So where you've been, Well, you know that I was.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I was on jury duty. And the first day fairly uneventful. Nothing,
nothing happened because you know, I don't know how many
people show up on the Monday morning, but the dura
numbers that they call out, you know, went up into
the six hundreds, and there were definitely definitely a couple
hundred people there. I'd say, I don't know that it
was six hundred, but there was.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
There was a lot, a lot of letters go out
in the mail.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And absolutely, and that that happens every Monday. You show
up and there is a queue down the street and
around the corner to get in. I'm glad it wasn't
raining that morning. So in we go, and then what
they do is they call they call groups of about
twenty i'd say at a time, and they go off
with their jury usher type person. And then so what
(00:48):
happened was it wasn't until the second day that I
got called in one of those groups of twenty, and
off we went to a courtroom and you sit in
the back of the courtroom, and from that twenty it's
all very random. The one of the court ushers then
literally pulls numbers out of a box and they're the
that's the jury. So you go up and when you're
(01:09):
getting sworn in, that's when the defense can say challenge
if they're not keen.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Because the legal team can say, I don't they.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Get two those they get they get two opportunities to
say nah, do there's something about them that doesn't sit right.
So I was on the cusp of missing out again
from the twenty. But there was one guy who the
most disturbing.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Body you've ever seen, and he's gone up there and
I thought, I know, I just know that because he
looks like he does not want to be He would
rather be in the in the defendant's box, I think,
than on the jury.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So I knew that the lawyer was going to say challenge,
and he did and then out came my number. So
on this jury.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And you didn't have anything up your sleeve to.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
They were quite happy. So there I am sworn in
and it's a rape trial. So I'm thinking heavy, very heavy, heavy.
Now you know I tend to joke most of the
time about most things. Well, this whole experience affected me
in ways I did not expect. This gets very real
(02:20):
when you're dealing with something like this. And also it
gets very real when you have to make a decision
that sends a person to prison and you have to
you know, there's all sorts of circumstances that can feel
extenuating that play on your mind, but you have to
make a decision based on what the charge is.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Because everyone thinks they make a pretty good armchair judge.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
You're an armchair yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, until you're in
the moment.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, I thought I'd be a person who'd be like
you hang him, drag him away right now. Well it
doesn't end up being like that. It's all very confronted. Yeah, yeah, probably.
So anyway, what was the moment. I won't go into
details about the case or anything. No one really wants
to know about that. But what was interesting was the
(03:12):
DNA And let's just say his DNA was everywhere. But
the DNA guy that comes in really really well spoken
guy from Pathways, you know, and we must have spent
three quarters of a day going through DNA. Now I
understand that you have to go through every single thing.
(03:32):
And I'm not a scientist, but I reckon after the
second page, I got it, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
So age one versus h two hypothesis one versus hypothesis
too one hundred billion times likely to be hypothesis one.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, I get it, I can follow it. I can
read the notes.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Now, why can't they wrap the whole thing up and
fish exactly?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It wasn't like and it wasn't like c Side.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Or nothing, nothing like La Lore or twelve angry men
all the twelve or rapid these rules what the Australian
the old Australian legal drama.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
In the in the jury room and the people on
the jury were great. It's amazing how quickly your bond
and it did. It did feel like we were in
a scene in the twelve. Other than the fact, as
I said, it does get very real very quickly. And
it was a very interesting experience. And I'm but I'm
happy to not have to do it again for a while.
(04:30):
And for most of us this was our first time
on a jury. One woman had this. This was like
her third time. And the because you have a jury
usher who looks after you. And she was telling us
that she had one person a couple of weeks ago
who said to her, I was only here three months ago,
and she said to her, tell the judge. He'll he'll,
you know, he'll let you go. That's that's too soon,
(04:52):
but it's so because it is such a random sort
of selection, anything is possible.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So that was that was my That's a life changing experience, really,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It was a lot, and you know, I was. I
was absolutely exhausted at the end of it. It's taken
a couple of days to decompress mentally. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Wow, Okay, there we go.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So it's good to be back in there.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Lisa had a week of holiday and a week of
not such Yeah,
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