July 14, 2024 • 18 mins
Bianca is Founder and Managing Director of International Indigenous social enterprise, Warida Wholistic Wellness. She is a strong Badimaya (Badimia) / Ukrainian woman, who is a centred and purpose-driven healer, facilitator, coach, international best selling co-author, and change maker.
She is mum to Savannah and Orson and is a qualified mental health practitioner focusing on supporting people who have experienced complex trauma. Bianca founded Warida to counteract people’s experiences in the mental health system of being disempowered. She empowers a diversity of women to reconnect with their inner fire, embrace healing on their own terms, and support economic empowerment through entrepreneurial support.
Bianca simultaneously works to change systems that continue to create this imbalance. In her life’s work and early PhD research, she is exploring Ngardi Guwanda (deep listening), Indigenous Healing and lived experiences of plural communities (DID), hoping that the exploration can continue to create awareness, instigate change, and provide a platform for the voices of disadvantaged / vulnerable people with lived experiences to be heard.
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ABOUT KRISTAL Kristal Kinsela is the supplier diversity expert who’s done it all before. A published author, trusted advisor to leading global organisations and descendant of both the Jawoyn and Wiradjuri nations, Kristal brings lived experience and over 18 years of business expertise to every partnership.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Us Unite. Our voices were respectfully acknowledge the Gadigal people
of the eurination and as the traditional custodians on the
lands in which that was created.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hi, I'm Krystial Kinsella. I'm a proud Jarwin and Bradrew Wimmer,
a supply diversity expert and published author. Welcome to Meet
the Mob, a series dedicated to showcasing Black excellence in business.
I get to interview deadly first Nation business owners from
around the country and learn about their wife. Today, I'm
joined by Bianca star Warski from Writa Holistic Wellness, who
(00:40):
will share with us her wife, why she got into
business and why she does what she does. So to
kick it off, tell us who you are, Bani Mater,
thank you for having me?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So who am I?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
A bit of everything we look at labels. So I'm
a mum, business owner, writer, change maker, award winner, yes,
and healer. I guess is probably my most well known
for thing, and I'm really focused on I'm changing the
(01:16):
narrative of what healing looks like because so often people
come to see me and they've been through all those
systems and I'm their last hope and so I'm there
to remind people that they are innately they know how
to heal themselves. And so I think that's who I am. Healer, author, mum,
(01:39):
change maker, be whatever you want to be, right, whatever
label you want to have. Love that.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I love that. How did you get into to this
sort of work?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, you know, much like many other people that are
in my profession, life hasn't been so great for some things.
And I had retired from the public service, and I thought,
what am I going to do? I was going to
be a lady of leisure and then I said prayed
from my husband and I realized that I suddenly had
(02:09):
to make some decisions. And I had three people on
one day tell me you should do this as a business.
I was doing this voluntary, as we do, we give
back to community, and I thought, well, that sounds like
a really great idea. So I did it and I
started that day. And what a ride it's been. It's
(02:29):
just I studied, I threw myself into everything, studied and
did things voluntary and then started to charge. And then
you know the whole business journey when you're first starting,
and so many opportunities have come my way. It's you know,
I ended up being moving internationally, you know, offering services internationally,
(02:52):
and that was because someone approached me, not because I
intentionally went out. So same thing, accessing all those opportunities.
So what does.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Holistic wellness look like from a service person?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yes, so for me, warridor means wedgetail eagle. That's in
my buddy, my language. And what that means is looking
at well being from up above. Okay, that's what we're
talking about, holistic, So looking at well being from up above,
not just mental health, which is my speciality, but not
just mental health, but economic empowerment. Because we know our mob,
(03:26):
you know, generational well wealth and wealth creation, no or
how to do that, or the historical capital to help
build us up. So looking at that physical, mental, spiritual,
economic empowerment, all of that stuff all together and how
that all links together, rather than just taking one very
(03:49):
narrow snapshot. And the other thing I wanted to do
was not just work with mob. I wanted to help everybody.
That sounds huge, but I ended up focusing on women
because what I found was that it's when women become
empowered that they inspire their children, their partners, and then
(04:12):
their communities and suddenly this ripple on effect, and I
think women share more in that way. They say, he sis,
you know, I'll help pull you up here. So I
focused on that on women because I thought that around
the world are communities are in crisis, whether we're mob
or not, and I needed to change something. But I
(04:35):
couldn't do it alone, so I had to pick people
to work with who will then support other people.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And it has that sort of absolutely most definitely. So
you're a published author, you've been involved in Is there
a few books? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
What have I got? I'm just looking out the window
here the beautiful Garner Country. I've got five co the books,
and I've just got one coming out next week, which
is really cool. And then I've got a children's book
that I've written myself called Gammy Winda and Jindy Jindy
(05:16):
coming out for Nadoc Week. So that's Gammy Winda means
Grandmother Tree in Buddy Meyer and Jinda Jindy means Willy Wagtail.
So it's a story about a young girl speaking to
grandmother Tree. And so that's coming out in Nadoc Week.
And what's really exciting is kids from all over Australia
(05:37):
are illustrating the book, so I'm really excited about that.
And at the end of the year, I've got another
book that I've written or currently writing. My publisher's giving
me a due date currently writing, called Nadi Guanda, which
means deep Listening. Are soul's yarn about well being. So
it's all the things that we need to say about
(05:57):
well being, all the things a lot of people too
scared to say, and that's more about us actually innately
knowing how to heal. So that's coming out at the
end of the year. But I've had the opportunity to
co author a lot of a lot of books, and
what I really love about them is that that nullam Yoguja,
that reciprocity is that the majority of my books actually
(06:21):
go to scholarships. So I get a small portion of
what I sell. The rest actually go to scholarships for
women in business or the next one that's coming out
next week goes to so on whose shoulders we stand?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Oh wow I.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And so that one is actually going to scholarships for
women and girls in education in Zimbabwe, and so everything
is about giving back. I haven't decided what's going to
happen with the Wellbeing book at the end of the
year yet. But that's that's the important part. It's not
(07:05):
just about creating these stories or telling spinning a yarn,
telling a yarn. It's actually about what we do with that.
And if enough I can help community in some way
by sponsoring somebody or so they can move into business
or access education, then that's a fantastic opportunity.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Most definitely, it's all that recipiocity, but it's that kind
of continuing to build the legacy and pass absolutely pass
on and create those opportunities because you're in that position
where you're able to be able to Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
What's a huture hold for you?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Oh gosh, that transition from government working for yourself, being
an author, mum, you know all the way through that, ye.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Next, I've got so many things on the on the
thing at the moment, I actually really enjoy writing. Surprisingly,
It's it's something that I've I've fallen into because it's
a way that I can reach lots of people and
(08:17):
helping them to understand that we have to include country.
We can't we can't take healing out of country. We
also we have to include community. It's when we pull
people out into isolation, that that their healing isn't as
quickly as quick as it could be. But I'm currently
(08:39):
doing a PhD part time.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Oh, just to add it, and even.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I know, writing with the PhD, what's.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Your thesis on. So it's called nadigoandica, which is deep
listening indigenous healing practices and lived experience of plural communities.
So plural communities are people with a diagnosis of dissociate
identity disorder, which is my area of expertise. And what
is different about this is, yes, I do not have
(09:10):
time to do your PhD, even part time. I don't
have time to do it. But actually the amazing plural
communities that I work with have charged me to do this,
have said that we need this, we need this knowledge
to be out in the world. And so that's why
I'm doing it. Yes, not because I've got any any
(09:32):
time to do it in.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But away right, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, And it's magic because you know, these people that
come to see me have they've just been let down
in every step of the way, and the moment that
we take them outside and the moment that we talk
about country and spirit and connection and all those kinds
of things and see the people that they are, the
(10:01):
healed people that they are, swear everything changes. So that's
one thing I'm doing. I actually want to write more.
I surprised myself and really enjoyed writing the kid's book,
So I've got a whole story. I want a whole
adventures that I want to continue on with in those characters.
(10:21):
What else, I want to expand more internationally. So I
already have quite a large cohort in the UK and
some in the US, but I actually want to expand
further than that because I think that same thing, the
way we talk about healing is applicable to everybody, definitely,
(10:43):
and to be honest, no one, but especially no woman,
should be living when they are dimming their light, that
they are making themselves less than. It's about getting up
and standing up and actually embracing who you are. Damn
We're amazing, definitely, absolutely amazing. And so that's what that's
(11:06):
my next steps.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I think expanding around the world, Nah, I think be
so much, so much relevance, and what you'll probably encounter
if you haven't already, is the connections and the parallels
that will draw with other first nations. Or Indigenous people
around and women are absolutely the country. And I know
that that's been my experience with my friendships in Canada
(11:28):
and in New Zealand as well.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
So because we're all we're all talking about the same thing,
we might just call it something different. And I think
for me, what's important is that that Buddy Meyer is
put in anything that I write, because Buddymeye has a
very real risk of becoming a sleeping language. So so
I'm on a working group at the moment to create
(11:53):
a learning portal for Buddymeyer. And not that I have
a lot of time to participated, but I actually use
Buddy Maya through my language. And it's interesting when I
hear non Aboriginal people say Berani mater, which means hello
or good or you know, that makes me happy, yes,
(12:16):
because I hear and it's like I've got this my
ancestors cheering going. Yes, it's been spoken. And to see
that that's gone internationally, to see that, you know, some
of the books I've co authored that have got Buddy
Meyer in have gone to the Academy Awards and all
those kinds of things, and that's cool, it is, it's
super cool. I'm so excited about that. So that's that's
(12:37):
kind of my next steps.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's fantastic, It's fantastic. So look, I mean a lot
of a lot of people that I work with are
within the corporate sector. You know, what, what would you
say to any of those guys around thinking about holistic
wellness internally to help them on their reconciliation journeys? Like,
what what would be your approach for your message? Adam,
(13:01):
I've actually got two messages use. Whilst I work with
women on the grassroots level and also First Nations businesses,
that's the economic empowerment side, I actually work at the
systems change level as well.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
At that corporate level. So what I would actually suggest
to corporates, governments, you know, that kind of level organizations,
is that you need to look at the systems that
are in place that continue to retraumatize mob or anyone
coming into services. So I'm really passionate about trying to
(13:40):
change that. So people understand that right from the receptionist
that comes into the service, when you come into the
service and the reception sees you and they not recognizing
that what you're experiencing is a trauma response, and they
press the alert distress button and call the police, and
that starts a whole another journey for people. So that's
(14:03):
the bit. If they want, if corporate and government want
to be true about reconciliation, then they need to change
the systems in their organizations that continue to reinforce, perpetuate,
absolutely and put people put our mob especially on journeys
(14:25):
through the justice system that they really shouldn't have been
on because no one was listening. So that's the bit.
That's the bit that I think is probably the most important. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, So if anyone wants to get in contact with you,
wants to do some work with you, how do they
do that?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Contact me. I'm always there. I don't have a lot
of capacity for individual one on one, but I'm really
passionate about about systems change. I have amazing collaborations with
oh my gosh, Deadly First Nations, facilitators, therapists, you know,
(15:05):
it's all about collaborations. They can visit me on my website.
I'm sure you'll put the link up there. The biggest
thing I want people to think about is that I'm
going to say that's right to you because you're listening.
The people that you work with are people and so
often we dehumanize people coming into services by calling them
(15:30):
patients or clients or number three sixty five or whatever
it is. The healing occurs when we actually connect person
to person, not therapists to broken person, you know, none
of that. That's the bit that we need to remember.
And if we remember that, oh my gosh, so much
(15:52):
can change, including corporate, corporate to supplier. We're all people
and if we just use that principle, we would change
the experience definitely. No labels, no label.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
My stereotypes, no hierarchy, strip it back.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
We're human at our core, absolutely, where we.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Need to have as the starting point.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
And don't us pigeonhole black businesses into just doing aboriginal things.
That's oh, that's my pet, Peeve. I want to do everything.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I'm a I'm a woman business owner, not just the
aboriginal business owner, right, absolutely, just business owner exactly. Just
got to change the narrative and keep pushing that. Well,
it's been so great to have a yarn with you.
If there's any other kind of quick final message you
wanted to leave my audience with, I'm really happy for
you to share that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I think just engage in in what you're doing, because
what you're what you're doing is actually giving giving people
a a diverse view on what Aboriginal businesses are all about.
And I think that's the important thing definitely. And by products,
by service and products from us. You know, we've got amazing,
(17:16):
amazing first Nations businesses, not just not just artists, artists
or construction or tourism. There is such a diversity. There's lawyers,
there's therapists, there's so many people actually contract them. That's
how you can create change because that creates generational wealth
(17:38):
and then we give back to community most definitely.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It's that little ripple effect goes a really long way.
And you could I couldn't have said it better by
just saying buy from Aboriginal businesses, get given contracts absolutely,
and pay them on time, yes, ninety day, according day
payment terms, yes, instantly money absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Ah alrighty.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So there you have it.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I hope you've enjoyed the latest episode of Meet the Mob,
and make sure you connect with the anchor online and
share her story with your networks. Until next time, Thanks
for listening to today's episode. If you love it, please
share it on your socials with your mob Let's help
amplify as many Indigenous businesses as possible and get everyone
(18:32):
supporting each other. Thank you,
Us Unite. Our voices were respectfully acknowledge the Gadigal people
of the eurination and as the traditional custodians on the
lands in which that was created.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hi, I'm Krystial Kinsella. I'm a proud Jarwin and Bradrew Wimmer,
a supply diversity expert and published author. Welcome to Meet
the Mob, a series dedicated to showcasing Black excellence in business.
I get to interview deadly first Nation business owners from
around the country and learn about their wife. Today, I'm
joined by Bianca star Warski from Writa Holistic Wellness, who
(00:40):
will share with us her wife, why she got into
business and why she does what she does. So to
kick it off, tell us who you are, Bani Mater,
thank you for having me?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So who am I?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
A bit of everything we look at labels. So I'm
a mum, business owner, writer, change maker, award winner, yes,
and healer. I guess is probably my most well known
for thing, and I'm really focused on I'm changing the
(01:16):
narrative of what healing looks like because so often people
come to see me and they've been through all those
systems and I'm their last hope and so I'm there
to remind people that they are innately they know how
to heal themselves. And so I think that's who I am. Healer, author, mum,
(01:39):
change maker, be whatever you want to be, right, whatever
label you want to have. Love that.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I love that. How did you get into to this
sort of work?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, you know, much like many other people that are
in my profession, life hasn't been so great for some things.
And I had retired from the public service, and I thought,
what am I going to do? I was going to
be a lady of leisure and then I said prayed
from my husband and I realized that I suddenly had
(02:09):
to make some decisions. And I had three people on
one day tell me you should do this as a business.
I was doing this voluntary, as we do, we give
back to community, and I thought, well, that sounds like
a really great idea. So I did it and I
started that day. And what a ride it's been. It's
(02:29):
just I studied, I threw myself into everything, studied and
did things voluntary and then started to charge. And then
you know the whole business journey when you're first starting,
and so many opportunities have come my way. It's you know,
I ended up being moving internationally, you know, offering services internationally,
(02:52):
and that was because someone approached me, not because I
intentionally went out. So same thing, accessing all those opportunities.
So what does.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Holistic wellness look like from a service person?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yes, so for me, warridor means wedgetail eagle. That's in
my buddy, my language. And what that means is looking
at well being from up above. Okay, that's what we're
talking about, holistic, So looking at well being from up above,
not just mental health, which is my speciality, but not
just mental health, but economic empowerment. Because we know our mob,
(03:26):
you know, generational well wealth and wealth creation, no or
how to do that, or the historical capital to help
build us up. So looking at that physical, mental, spiritual,
economic empowerment, all of that stuff all together and how
that all links together, rather than just taking one very
(03:49):
narrow snapshot. And the other thing I wanted to do
was not just work with mob. I wanted to help everybody.
That sounds huge, but I ended up focusing on women
because what I found was that it's when women become
empowered that they inspire their children, their partners, and then
(04:12):
their communities and suddenly this ripple on effect, and I
think women share more in that way. They say, he sis,
you know, I'll help pull you up here. So I
focused on that on women because I thought that around
the world are communities are in crisis, whether we're mob
or not, and I needed to change something. But I
(04:35):
couldn't do it alone, so I had to pick people
to work with who will then support other people.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And it has that sort of absolutely most definitely. So
you're a published author, you've been involved in Is there
a few books? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
What have I got? I'm just looking out the window
here the beautiful Garner Country. I've got five co the books,
and I've just got one coming out next week, which
is really cool. And then I've got a children's book
that I've written myself called Gammy Winda and Jindy Jindy
(05:16):
coming out for Nadoc Week. So that's Gammy Winda means
Grandmother Tree in Buddy Meyer and Jinda Jindy means Willy Wagtail.
So it's a story about a young girl speaking to
grandmother Tree. And so that's coming out in Nadoc Week.
And what's really exciting is kids from all over Australia
(05:37):
are illustrating the book, so I'm really excited about that.
And at the end of the year, I've got another
book that I've written or currently writing. My publisher's giving
me a due date currently writing, called Nadi Guanda, which
means deep Listening. Are soul's yarn about well being. So
it's all the things that we need to say about
(05:57):
well being, all the things a lot of people too
scared to say, and that's more about us actually innately
knowing how to heal. So that's coming out at the
end of the year. But I've had the opportunity to
co author a lot of a lot of books, and
what I really love about them is that that nullam Yoguja,
that reciprocity is that the majority of my books actually
(06:21):
go to scholarships. So I get a small portion of
what I sell. The rest actually go to scholarships for
women in business or the next one that's coming out
next week goes to so on whose shoulders we stand?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Oh wow I.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And so that one is actually going to scholarships for
women and girls in education in Zimbabwe, and so everything
is about giving back. I haven't decided what's going to
happen with the Wellbeing book at the end of the
year yet. But that's that's the important part. It's not
(07:05):
just about creating these stories or telling spinning a yarn,
telling a yarn. It's actually about what we do with that.
And if enough I can help community in some way
by sponsoring somebody or so they can move into business
or access education, then that's a fantastic opportunity.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Most definitely, it's all that recipiocity, but it's that kind
of continuing to build the legacy and pass absolutely pass
on and create those opportunities because you're in that position
where you're able to be able to Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
What's a huture hold for you?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Oh gosh, that transition from government working for yourself, being
an author, mum, you know all the way through that, ye.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Next, I've got so many things on the on the
thing at the moment, I actually really enjoy writing. Surprisingly,
It's it's something that I've I've fallen into because it's
a way that I can reach lots of people and
(08:17):
helping them to understand that we have to include country.
We can't we can't take healing out of country. We
also we have to include community. It's when we pull
people out into isolation, that that their healing isn't as
quickly as quick as it could be. But I'm currently
(08:39):
doing a PhD part time.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Oh, just to add it, and even.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I know, writing with the PhD, what's.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Your thesis on. So it's called nadigoandica, which is deep
listening indigenous healing practices and lived experience of plural communities.
So plural communities are people with a diagnosis of dissociate
identity disorder, which is my area of expertise. And what
is different about this is, yes, I do not have
(09:10):
time to do your PhD, even part time. I don't
have time to do it. But actually the amazing plural
communities that I work with have charged me to do this,
have said that we need this, we need this knowledge
to be out in the world. And so that's why
I'm doing it. Yes, not because I've got any any
(09:32):
time to do it in.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But away right, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, And it's magic because you know, these people that
come to see me have they've just been let down
in every step of the way, and the moment that
we take them outside and the moment that we talk
about country and spirit and connection and all those kinds
of things and see the people that they are, the
(10:01):
healed people that they are, swear everything changes. So that's
one thing I'm doing. I actually want to write more.
I surprised myself and really enjoyed writing the kid's book,
So I've got a whole story. I want a whole
adventures that I want to continue on with in those characters.
(10:21):
What else, I want to expand more internationally. So I
already have quite a large cohort in the UK and
some in the US, but I actually want to expand
further than that because I think that same thing, the
way we talk about healing is applicable to everybody, definitely,
(10:43):
and to be honest, no one, but especially no woman,
should be living when they are dimming their light, that
they are making themselves less than. It's about getting up
and standing up and actually embracing who you are. Damn
We're amazing, definitely, absolutely amazing. And so that's what that's
(11:06):
my next steps.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I think expanding around the world, Nah, I think be
so much, so much relevance, and what you'll probably encounter
if you haven't already, is the connections and the parallels
that will draw with other first nations. Or Indigenous people
around and women are absolutely the country. And I know
that that's been my experience with my friendships in Canada
(11:28):
and in New Zealand as well.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
So because we're all we're all talking about the same thing,
we might just call it something different. And I think
for me, what's important is that that Buddy Meyer is
put in anything that I write, because Buddymeye has a
very real risk of becoming a sleeping language. So so
I'm on a working group at the moment to create
(11:53):
a learning portal for Buddymeyer. And not that I have
a lot of time to participated, but I actually use
Buddy Maya through my language. And it's interesting when I
hear non Aboriginal people say Berani mater, which means hello
or good or you know, that makes me happy, yes,
(12:16):
because I hear and it's like I've got this my
ancestors cheering going. Yes, it's been spoken. And to see
that that's gone internationally, to see that, you know, some
of the books I've co authored that have got Buddy
Meyer in have gone to the Academy Awards and all
those kinds of things, and that's cool, it is, it's
super cool. I'm so excited about that. So that's that's
(12:37):
kind of my next steps.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's fantastic, It's fantastic. So look, I mean a lot
of a lot of people that I work with are
within the corporate sector. You know, what, what would you
say to any of those guys around thinking about holistic
wellness internally to help them on their reconciliation journeys? Like,
what what would be your approach for your message? Adam,
(13:01):
I've actually got two messages use. Whilst I work with
women on the grassroots level and also First Nations businesses,
that's the economic empowerment side, I actually work at the
systems change level as well.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
At that corporate level. So what I would actually suggest
to corporates, governments, you know, that kind of level organizations,
is that you need to look at the systems that
are in place that continue to retraumatize mob or anyone
coming into services. So I'm really passionate about trying to
(13:40):
change that. So people understand that right from the receptionist
that comes into the service, when you come into the
service and the reception sees you and they not recognizing
that what you're experiencing is a trauma response, and they
press the alert distress button and call the police, and
that starts a whole another journey for people. So that's
(14:03):
the bit. If they want, if corporate and government want
to be true about reconciliation, then they need to change
the systems in their organizations that continue to reinforce, perpetuate,
absolutely and put people put our mob especially on journeys
(14:25):
through the justice system that they really shouldn't have been
on because no one was listening. So that's the bit.
That's the bit that I think is probably the most important. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, So if anyone wants to get in contact with you,
wants to do some work with you, how do they
do that?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Contact me. I'm always there. I don't have a lot
of capacity for individual one on one, but I'm really
passionate about about systems change. I have amazing collaborations with
oh my gosh, Deadly First Nations, facilitators, therapists, you know,
(15:05):
it's all about collaborations. They can visit me on my website.
I'm sure you'll put the link up there. The biggest
thing I want people to think about is that I'm
going to say that's right to you because you're listening.
The people that you work with are people and so
often we dehumanize people coming into services by calling them
(15:30):
patients or clients or number three sixty five or whatever
it is. The healing occurs when we actually connect person
to person, not therapists to broken person, you know, none
of that. That's the bit that we need to remember.
And if we remember that, oh my gosh, so much
(15:52):
can change, including corporate, corporate to supplier. We're all people
and if we just use that principle, we would change
the experience definitely. No labels, no label.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
My stereotypes, no hierarchy, strip it back.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
We're human at our core, absolutely, where we.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Need to have as the starting point.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
And don't us pigeonhole black businesses into just doing aboriginal things.
That's oh, that's my pet, Peeve. I want to do everything.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I'm a I'm a woman business owner, not just the
aboriginal business owner, right, absolutely, just business owner exactly. Just
got to change the narrative and keep pushing that. Well,
it's been so great to have a yarn with you.
If there's any other kind of quick final message you
wanted to leave my audience with, I'm really happy for
you to share that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I think just engage in in what you're doing, because
what you're what you're doing is actually giving giving people
a a diverse view on what Aboriginal businesses are all about.
And I think that's the important thing definitely. And by products,
by service and products from us. You know, we've got amazing,
(17:16):
amazing first Nations businesses, not just not just artists, artists
or construction or tourism. There is such a diversity. There's lawyers,
there's therapists, there's so many people actually contract them. That's
how you can create change because that creates generational wealth
(17:38):
and then we give back to community most definitely.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It's that little ripple effect goes a really long way.
And you could I couldn't have said it better by
just saying buy from Aboriginal businesses, get given contracts absolutely,
and pay them on time, yes, ninety day, according day
payment terms, yes, instantly money absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Ah alrighty.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
So there you have it.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I hope you've enjoyed the latest episode of Meet the Mob,
and make sure you connect with the anchor online and
share her story with your networks. Until next time, Thanks
for listening to today's episode. If you love it, please
share it on your socials with your mob Let's help
amplify as many Indigenous businesses as possible and get everyone
(18:32):
supporting each other. Thank you,
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