January 19, 2025 • 17 mins
Meet Katina Law Raised in Derby from Worora and Walmajarri families, Katina is an executive and entrepreneur with over 30 years’ international experience in financial and general management roles. She is the first Indigenous woman to be a CEO of an ASX listed company and the first Indigenous woman to Chair an ASX listed company.
In 2015, she co-founded IPS Management Consultants, a WA based majority Indigenous owned company providing professional services to Government and corporate clients across Australia. IPS has grown to become a nationally recognised business that employs more than 70 staff, of which 30% are Indigenous and 69% female.
She also co-founded Dutjahn Sandalwood Oils a 50% Indigenous owned business which sells WA sandalwood oil into international perfume markets. In 2019 DSO became the first Australian organisation to be awarded an Equator Prize at the UN. Katina is passionate about improving the lives of Indigenous people and is a director of several not for profits working with Indigenous people.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Us unite our voices. We respectfully acknowledge the watch up
new our people as the traditional owners of the land
in which these was created. Hi, I'm Krystal Kinsella. I'm
(00:27):
a proud Jarwin and Braddrew woman, a supply diversity expert
and published author. Welcome to Meet the Mob, a series
dedicated to showcasing black excellence in business. I get to
interview deadly First Nation business owners from around the country
and learn about their why. Today I'm joined by Katina
Law from IPS Management Consultants, who will share with us
(00:48):
her why, why she got into business and why she
does what she does. So to kick it off, Hey, Katina,
tell us who you are. Here's your mob.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So I'm from Derby originally I'm We're daughter and Walma,
Jerry and I live in Perth on beautiful One Jack Country.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, we've have lots of history between us, and I
think be really remissive me not to acknowledge just how
incredible you are and what a great mentor you've been
to me through the years. So Katina and I for
those that don't know, we're in business together for five
years in IPS. But I mean it's not about that today,
(01:28):
but I just I guess I really wanted to acknowledge
what a great mentor you've been to me and how
much I learned from you on that journey.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, no worries. So look, Katina, you're a formidable woman.
I think you're a very unsung hero. You're one of
these women that like to stay in the background. Tell
us a little bit about your why, like what drives you,
because you are a very driven woman.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So when I think about my why, I think my
purpose these days is really to improve lives of Indigenous people.
I do that in many different ways through my businesses,
through my not for profits, through my work with my
own family. And that's what really.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Drives me these days most definitely. And you have like
a resounding impact on people through the work that you do.
So let's just sort well, let's where do you want
to start. We're going to talk about some of your work.
I mean, IPS is one of many business businesses that
you've been involved in. Do you want to start with IPS?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, yes, we can start with IPS. So IPS was
started in twenty fifteen and you joined us very shortly
afterwards in early twenty sixteen. And from going from basically
the three directors, myself, Crystal and Damien Shawk. We went.
We now have over the past eight years, grown to
(02:55):
be about seventy plus people. It's changing every day and yeah,
certainly just even in the last three months, we've had
phenomenal growth. So IPS is a management consultant business. Our
main we mostly work for government, so federal government, state government,
(03:16):
and large corporates, and we do work in quite a
few different areas. So we have a First Nations Advisory practice,
which is led by Yanna. We also have organizational Capability, Research,
Policy and Evaluation, Business advisory, and a new division called
(03:39):
Workforce Solutions. So in those areas we a lot of
the work we do is actually mainstream work, but I
guess we also do a lot of work with Indigenous
people as well, and we work with our clients to
implement programs and develop their cultures so that you know,
(04:03):
life better for Indigenous people.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
It's definitely stuffit like. So talk to us a little
bit a bit about some of your board roles, and
I want to actually acknowledge the fact that not a
lot of people know, but you were one of the
first Aboriginal women to sit on an ASEX listed company. Board.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, so I was the first Aboriginal woman to actually
be the CEO of an IX listed company and also
the first chair an IX listed company, And that actually
happened a really long time ago for me. It's happened
in about I'm just trying to think now, twenty twelve
(04:41):
and well, to be the CEO, and then in about
twenty sixteen I became a chair and so for me,
that's sort of quite a long time ago. But I guess,
you know, like you said, I never really talk about myself,
so you know, that's just something I've sort of started
talking about recently because people seem to think that it's important.
(05:03):
But for me, it was just something I wanted to do.
And I still sit on one ASX list aboard. I'm
just a non exec on a small expiration company. So
my background is actually in mining. So you know, I
spent thirty years in the mining industry, worked all around
the world, lots of different countries and different types of commodities,
(05:25):
and yeah, done a lot before I started any of
my businesses. So if that was sort of like the
first phase of my career and now I'm sort of
into a different phase where I'm much more entrepreneurial and
I think going to London Business School, which I went
to in about twenty years ago, now that really brought
(05:45):
out my entrepreneurial spirit and it made me really want
to be an entrepreneur. I didn't really have the opportunity
until IPS came along. But you know, as well as IPS,
I've helped found Dudge Unsandalwood Oils, which is a fifty
percent average line business and we manufacture sandalwood oil which
(06:09):
we sell into the international perfume market and our clients
include Este Lauder, E vader ASoP Lush, tom Ford, quite
a few big names use our product and it's a
very special unique ingredient that is made from Australian sandalwood
oil and which yeah, you know we have Aboriginal people
(06:35):
all through the supply chain of that product and we
so yeah, we give back through the foundation as well.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So that's such an incredible journey with the Center Wold
Oils like and to be on that sort of global stage,
it's a real trail blazing.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah. So we were the first Australian company to organization
to win an equate a prize, which is a prize
given out by the UN Development Program for really unique
Indigenous solutions to the UN sustainability sustainable development goals. And yeah,
they thought that we were really outstanding example of how
(07:18):
Aboriginal people can create economic wealth and live on country
and work on country as well.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's such a great achievement. So you said, you just
talked about being in this second phase of your life
with your career trajectory. We talk to us a little
bit about that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well that I've obviously got IPS, I've got down standard
wood oils, I sit on a few boards, but I've
also founded a number of not for profits, and all
of my not for profits relate to Indigenous people, and
they are you know, I think they all operate in
(07:59):
geographically different locations, and I think that's really important because
I'm actually really committed to the regions and improving the
lives of people that live remotely. So the IPS Foundation,
which really has only got going in the last few years,
we work in the West Kimberley with people. We work
(08:21):
with organizations that are already on country trying to do
things and help them build their capability so that they
can they can do it better and be successful in
delivering those programs. So we did a program with the
men's group in fitzro Crossing and we actually sent someone
to Fitzroy for three months and she lived there and
(08:44):
helped them develop their policies and procedures and their operational
plan and you know, really just move them to the
next level. So it's about getting around the people that
already live in the West Kimberly and wanted and are
trying to better for Aboriginal people and supporting them. We
also do a fair bit the entrepreneurship space as well
(09:05):
in Western Australia for Aboriginal regional entrepreneurs through the Foundation.
And then I have the Dadjun Foundation, which is quite
focused on Walluna at the moment, but our remit is
really to work with all Indigenous people in sandalwood growing regions,
so you know that that could include anywhere from the
(09:29):
central deserts down to Esperance and even across to Perth.
So we have two kind of focuses. One is building
strong communities and the other is building sustainable communities, so
helping people manage their sandwood resource. And so we've we've
(09:52):
done a few things in Walluna. We bought some it
for the youth Center, which really changed the lives of
quite a lot of young people. So we've bought seven
complete gaming stations with chairs and like the headphones and everything,
and that in such a hot place like over the
summer holidays, for example, you can just imagine what a
(10:13):
difference it makes to these children which who never who
don't normally have access to technology. We've also started a
use Ranger program in Wiluna that works with the two
adult Ranger programs and works with the school as well.
And we're working with Aboriginal people that want to get
into actually harvesting sandwood. So a lot of Aboriginal people
(10:35):
with native title rights can harvest sandwood in their own
right to have exclusive possession, and so working with them
to help them get licenses and what they need to
get going in their own business. And then I've got
beIN an in Institute which is based here on our
(10:56):
land and that is set on the site of old
Sticates Home for Children, and so it's a significant can
site for stolen generation. It's actually part of the Uniting Church,
and you know, we're really trying to develop it as
a space that sparks joy for Aboriginal people, a place
where people can go and actually have fun rather than
(11:19):
be delivered services like drug and alcohol or child protection
or you know, we want a place where Aboriginal people
can go and have fun, and so we do art
and music and cooking and those sorts of things and
create a safe space for people because a lot of
Aboriginal people don't want to go, don't feel comfortable going
to a cafe or a restaurant. You know.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, well I can always say what aren't you doing?
Because there's a lot in all of that in regards
to I mean having that focus in the regions and
more remote places, cultivating capability, inspiring entrepreneurship, working with young
people and youth, and then obviously here on all our country,
(12:02):
working with families. And I like how you use the
word joy, like just creating a really safe space in that.
So where do you love to spend the most, you know,
the majority of your time because you're a really busy
woman and there's a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, obviously I've got you know, three kids as well
and a husband, so I've spent time with them. But yeah,
I don't know, it just sort of it goes around.
So some things need me when they need me, and
I just sort of, you know, move from place to space.
But I have to admit IPS is taking quite a
lot of time at the moment, just because it's growing
(12:36):
so rapidly, and you know, there's still I feel like
there's so much potential in that space. So yeah, it's just, yeah,
it's just too much to do. Sometimes I just want
to stop and lie down, but I feel guilty if
I do that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Definitely, or you should be so proud of the success
of IPS, because IPS, you know, was one of those
real rich general businesses that build off the back of
the Indigenous Procurement Policy back from twenty fifteen onwards.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, I have to say you had a big part
to play in that as well. You know, five years
at that significant time of growth, you know, made a
big difference.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, but it's been just such a trailblazer of a business.
And then obviously, as you said, as it's growing and emerging,
and you've just been through a rebrand process as well,
which is, you know, I guess the start of a
new chapter on that journey.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, I wanted a brand that could really take us
to the next through the next sort of six or
seven or eight years as well. You know, like you
don't want to change your brand too much. But again,
I wanted a brand that kind of spark joy and
I think you can see that in the colors and
the patterns and everything.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's so vibrant.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, but it's the brand also reflects creating meaningful pathways
for Indigenous people, which I think has always been part
of a strong part of the IPS brand and something
we've lived in an out over the years, you know,
creating opportunities for economic development and creating pathways for Indigenous
(14:12):
people to become consultants because there's so few Indigenous consultants
and yet we are the most consulted people in Australia,
and so creating that environment where you know, people can
learn to be a consultant and be mentored and developed
through that process is a big part.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Of what we do at IPS, creating those pathways most.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And we still have thirty percent Indigenous employment.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That's phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
We have seventy odd people, let's say seventy people and
thirty percent Indigenous employment.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, So what's the future hold for Katina's what's the
legacy piece?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well, I think, going back to IPS, the legacy is
definitely about creating. What I want to create is a
business that is bigger than me, It's bigger than everyone
in that business. It's sustainable, but it also becomes a
really solid part of the Australian business landscape and that
(15:10):
you know, we talk about you know, PwC and KPUG
and we talk about now. I want IPS to be
up there with those brands and to really be a
trusted partner for government and also for large corporates that
that they feel confident that they can use. And part
(15:32):
of creating something that's bigger than all of us is
that we get to the scale where we can really
bring more you know, we can have a graduate program,
we can bring people into the business, there's more pathways,
it becomes more sustainable and I want ideally for it
to live on well past me.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's a great legacy. What happens next for Katina though.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well right now you just keep swimming and yeah, I
don't know, just just keep going keeping them And I
really want to see all my not for profits also
move into being sustainable and self sustaining and not relying
on me. And I think, you know, the Dudgeon Foundation
is almost there. The IPS Foundation has ways to go
(16:21):
and be an an Inqurt also has some ways to go,
so they are all at different levels of maturity, so
creating moving those to a point where they can be
self sustaining as well, and then I'll put my feed
up and relax.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I don't think you ever will, though, So look, if
you had a final message for my audience people that
are watching today, what would it be.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, I think that's a really difficult question. But you know,
I think we all just need to back ourselves. We
need to be confident and assertive and we have every
right to be part of the Australian business landscape. And
you know we belong We belong here, and you know,
we just have to keep putting ourselves out there even
though it might be uncomfortable, and we can do it.
(17:05):
We become accepted and we become part of the landscape.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So well, thanks so much for joining me, Katina. I
really wanted to have you on my show. I think
you've had such a great career trajectory. You mean a
lot to me. You've been a great mentor. I've learned
so much from you, and yeah, I just appreciate your
time today, So thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Thanks for having me, Crystal. It's been a pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So there you have it. I hope you've enjoyed the
latest episode of Meet Them Web. Make sure you connect
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Let's help amplify as many Indigenous businesses as possible and
get everyone supporting each other. Thank you.
Us unite our voices. We respectfully acknowledge the watch up
new our people as the traditional owners of the land
in which these was created. Hi, I'm Krystal Kinsella. I'm
(00:27):
a proud Jarwin and Braddrew woman, a supply diversity expert
and published author. Welcome to Meet the Mob, a series
dedicated to showcasing black excellence in business. I get to
interview deadly First Nation business owners from around the country
and learn about their why. Today I'm joined by Katina
Law from IPS Management Consultants, who will share with us
(00:48):
her why, why she got into business and why she
does what she does. So to kick it off, Hey, Katina,
tell us who you are. Here's your mob.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So I'm from Derby originally I'm We're daughter and Walma,
Jerry and I live in Perth on beautiful One Jack Country.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, we've have lots of history between us, and I
think be really remissive me not to acknowledge just how
incredible you are and what a great mentor you've been
to me through the years. So Katina and I for
those that don't know, we're in business together for five
years in IPS. But I mean it's not about that today,
(01:28):
but I just I guess I really wanted to acknowledge
what a great mentor you've been to me and how
much I learned from you on that journey.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, no worries. So look, Katina, you're a formidable woman.
I think you're a very unsung hero. You're one of
these women that like to stay in the background. Tell
us a little bit about your why, like what drives you,
because you are a very driven woman.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So when I think about my why, I think my
purpose these days is really to improve lives of Indigenous people.
I do that in many different ways through my businesses,
through my not for profits, through my work with my
own family. And that's what really.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Drives me these days most definitely. And you have like
a resounding impact on people through the work that you do.
So let's just sort well, let's where do you want
to start. We're going to talk about some of your work.
I mean, IPS is one of many business businesses that
you've been involved in. Do you want to start with IPS?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, yes, we can start with IPS. So IPS was
started in twenty fifteen and you joined us very shortly
afterwards in early twenty sixteen. And from going from basically
the three directors, myself, Crystal and Damien Shawk. We went.
We now have over the past eight years, grown to
(02:55):
be about seventy plus people. It's changing every day and yeah,
certainly just even in the last three months, we've had
phenomenal growth. So IPS is a management consultant business. Our
main we mostly work for government, so federal government, state government,
(03:16):
and large corporates, and we do work in quite a
few different areas. So we have a First Nations Advisory practice,
which is led by Yanna. We also have organizational Capability, Research,
Policy and Evaluation, Business advisory, and a new division called
(03:39):
Workforce Solutions. So in those areas we a lot of
the work we do is actually mainstream work, but I
guess we also do a lot of work with Indigenous
people as well, and we work with our clients to
implement programs and develop their cultures so that you know,
(04:03):
life better for Indigenous people.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
It's definitely stuffit like. So talk to us a little
bit a bit about some of your board roles, and
I want to actually acknowledge the fact that not a
lot of people know, but you were one of the
first Aboriginal women to sit on an ASEX listed company. Board.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, so I was the first Aboriginal woman to actually
be the CEO of an IX listed company and also
the first chair an IX listed company, And that actually
happened a really long time ago for me. It's happened
in about I'm just trying to think now, twenty twelve
(04:41):
and well, to be the CEO, and then in about
twenty sixteen I became a chair and so for me,
that's sort of quite a long time ago. But I guess,
you know, like you said, I never really talk about myself,
so you know, that's just something I've sort of started
talking about recently because people seem to think that it's important.
(05:03):
But for me, it was just something I wanted to do.
And I still sit on one ASX list aboard. I'm
just a non exec on a small expiration company. So
my background is actually in mining. So you know, I
spent thirty years in the mining industry, worked all around
the world, lots of different countries and different types of commodities,
(05:25):
and yeah, done a lot before I started any of
my businesses. So if that was sort of like the
first phase of my career and now I'm sort of
into a different phase where I'm much more entrepreneurial and
I think going to London Business School, which I went
to in about twenty years ago, now that really brought
(05:45):
out my entrepreneurial spirit and it made me really want
to be an entrepreneur. I didn't really have the opportunity
until IPS came along. But you know, as well as IPS,
I've helped found Dudge Unsandalwood Oils, which is a fifty
percent average line business and we manufacture sandalwood oil which
(06:09):
we sell into the international perfume market and our clients
include Este Lauder, E vader ASoP Lush, tom Ford, quite
a few big names use our product and it's a
very special unique ingredient that is made from Australian sandalwood
oil and which yeah, you know we have Aboriginal people
(06:35):
all through the supply chain of that product and we
so yeah, we give back through the foundation as well.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So that's such an incredible journey with the Center Wold
Oils like and to be on that sort of global stage,
it's a real trail blazing.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah. So we were the first Australian company to organization
to win an equate a prize, which is a prize
given out by the UN Development Program for really unique
Indigenous solutions to the UN sustainability sustainable development goals. And yeah,
they thought that we were really outstanding example of how
(07:18):
Aboriginal people can create economic wealth and live on country
and work on country as well.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's such a great achievement. So you said, you just
talked about being in this second phase of your life
with your career trajectory. We talk to us a little
bit about that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well that I've obviously got IPS, I've got down standard
wood oils, I sit on a few boards, but I've
also founded a number of not for profits, and all
of my not for profits relate to Indigenous people, and
they are you know, I think they all operate in
(07:59):
geographically different locations, and I think that's really important because
I'm actually really committed to the regions and improving the
lives of people that live remotely. So the IPS Foundation,
which really has only got going in the last few years,
we work in the West Kimberley with people. We work
(08:21):
with organizations that are already on country trying to do
things and help them build their capability so that they
can they can do it better and be successful in
delivering those programs. So we did a program with the
men's group in fitzro Crossing and we actually sent someone
to Fitzroy for three months and she lived there and
(08:44):
helped them develop their policies and procedures and their operational
plan and you know, really just move them to the
next level. So it's about getting around the people that
already live in the West Kimberly and wanted and are
trying to better for Aboriginal people and supporting them. We
also do a fair bit the entrepreneurship space as well
(09:05):
in Western Australia for Aboriginal regional entrepreneurs through the Foundation.
And then I have the Dadjun Foundation, which is quite
focused on Walluna at the moment, but our remit is
really to work with all Indigenous people in sandalwood growing regions,
so you know that that could include anywhere from the
(09:29):
central deserts down to Esperance and even across to Perth.
So we have two kind of focuses. One is building
strong communities and the other is building sustainable communities, so
helping people manage their sandwood resource. And so we've we've
(09:52):
done a few things in Walluna. We bought some it
for the youth Center, which really changed the lives of
quite a lot of young people. So we've bought seven
complete gaming stations with chairs and like the headphones and everything,
and that in such a hot place like over the
summer holidays, for example, you can just imagine what a
(10:13):
difference it makes to these children which who never who
don't normally have access to technology. We've also started a
use Ranger program in Wiluna that works with the two
adult Ranger programs and works with the school as well.
And we're working with Aboriginal people that want to get
into actually harvesting sandwood. So a lot of Aboriginal people
(10:35):
with native title rights can harvest sandwood in their own
right to have exclusive possession, and so working with them
to help them get licenses and what they need to
get going in their own business. And then I've got
beIN an in Institute which is based here on our
(10:56):
land and that is set on the site of old
Sticates Home for Children, and so it's a significant can
site for stolen generation. It's actually part of the Uniting Church,
and you know, we're really trying to develop it as
a space that sparks joy for Aboriginal people, a place
where people can go and actually have fun rather than
(11:19):
be delivered services like drug and alcohol or child protection
or you know, we want a place where Aboriginal people
can go and have fun, and so we do art
and music and cooking and those sorts of things and
create a safe space for people because a lot of
Aboriginal people don't want to go, don't feel comfortable going
to a cafe or a restaurant. You know.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, well I can always say what aren't you doing?
Because there's a lot in all of that in regards
to I mean having that focus in the regions and
more remote places, cultivating capability, inspiring entrepreneurship, working with young
people and youth, and then obviously here on all our country,
(12:02):
working with families. And I like how you use the
word joy, like just creating a really safe space in that.
So where do you love to spend the most, you know,
the majority of your time because you're a really busy
woman and there's a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, obviously I've got you know, three kids as well
and a husband, so I've spent time with them. But yeah,
I don't know, it just sort of it goes around.
So some things need me when they need me, and
I just sort of, you know, move from place to space.
But I have to admit IPS is taking quite a
lot of time at the moment, just because it's growing
(12:36):
so rapidly, and you know, there's still I feel like
there's so much potential in that space. So yeah, it's just, yeah,
it's just too much to do. Sometimes I just want
to stop and lie down, but I feel guilty if
I do that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Definitely, or you should be so proud of the success
of IPS, because IPS, you know, was one of those
real rich general businesses that build off the back of
the Indigenous Procurement Policy back from twenty fifteen onwards.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, I have to say you had a big part
to play in that as well. You know, five years
at that significant time of growth, you know, made a
big difference.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, but it's been just such a trailblazer of a business.
And then obviously, as you said, as it's growing and emerging,
and you've just been through a rebrand process as well,
which is, you know, I guess the start of a
new chapter on that journey.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, I wanted a brand that could really take us
to the next through the next sort of six or
seven or eight years as well. You know, like you
don't want to change your brand too much. But again,
I wanted a brand that kind of spark joy and
I think you can see that in the colors and
the patterns and everything.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's so vibrant.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, but it's the brand also reflects creating meaningful pathways
for Indigenous people, which I think has always been part
of a strong part of the IPS brand and something
we've lived in an out over the years, you know,
creating opportunities for economic development and creating pathways for Indigenous
(14:12):
people to become consultants because there's so few Indigenous consultants
and yet we are the most consulted people in Australia,
and so creating that environment where you know, people can
learn to be a consultant and be mentored and developed
through that process is a big part.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Of what we do at IPS, creating those pathways most.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And we still have thirty percent Indigenous employment.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That's phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
We have seventy odd people, let's say seventy people and
thirty percent Indigenous employment.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, So what's the future hold for Katina's what's the
legacy piece?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well, I think, going back to IPS, the legacy is
definitely about creating. What I want to create is a
business that is bigger than me, It's bigger than everyone
in that business. It's sustainable, but it also becomes a
really solid part of the Australian business landscape and that
(15:10):
you know, we talk about you know, PwC and KPUG
and we talk about now. I want IPS to be
up there with those brands and to really be a
trusted partner for government and also for large corporates that
that they feel confident that they can use. And part
(15:32):
of creating something that's bigger than all of us is
that we get to the scale where we can really
bring more you know, we can have a graduate program,
we can bring people into the business, there's more pathways,
it becomes more sustainable and I want ideally for it
to live on well past me.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's a great legacy. What happens next for Katina though.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well right now you just keep swimming and yeah, I
don't know, just just keep going keeping them And I
really want to see all my not for profits also
move into being sustainable and self sustaining and not relying
on me. And I think, you know, the Dudgeon Foundation
is almost there. The IPS Foundation has ways to go
(16:21):
and be an an Inqurt also has some ways to go,
so they are all at different levels of maturity, so
creating moving those to a point where they can be
self sustaining as well, and then I'll put my feed
up and relax.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I don't think you ever will, though, So look, if
you had a final message for my audience people that
are watching today, what would it be.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, I think that's a really difficult question. But you know,
I think we all just need to back ourselves. We
need to be confident and assertive and we have every
right to be part of the Australian business landscape. And
you know we belong We belong here, and you know,
we just have to keep putting ourselves out there even
though it might be uncomfortable, and we can do it.
(17:05):
We become accepted and we become part of the landscape.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So well, thanks so much for joining me, Katina. I
really wanted to have you on my show. I think
you've had such a great career trajectory. You mean a
lot to me. You've been a great mentor. I've learned
so much from you, and yeah, I just appreciate your
time today, So thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Thanks for having me, Crystal. It's been a pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So there you have it. I hope you've enjoyed the
latest episode of Meet Them Web. Make sure you connect
with Katina online share her story with your networks. Until
next time, Thanks for listening to today's episode. If you
love it, please share it on your socials with your mob.
Let's help amplify as many Indigenous businesses as possible and
get everyone supporting each other. Thank you.
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