May 28, 2025 • 29 mins
Pats wants you to feel part of her club, a space where your journey is supported and you don’t feel alone! In this first episode of Series 2 she reunites with BFF and fellow veteran Journalist Sarah Patterson…
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the long awaited season two of Rage Against
the Menopause with Petrina Jones. You can call me Pats
and thanks for being a part of my special club.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
One of the common themes to come out of my
debut series is that women going through perimenopause and menopause
don't feel heard until now.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
There's really not been a.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Space for us to share our lived experiences. Some even
misdiagnosed by health professionals dismissed. Well, I want everyone listening
to know that I got you and you're not alone.
Perimenopause and menopause will impact one point two billion women
globally by twenty thirty, and it's time it was out
(00:44):
in the open, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
My podcast is unashamedly authentic and real. We go there
think you're the only one who sometimes feels like you're
going tropo ah ah. Enjoy episode with one of my besties,
fellow journalist and TV and radio presenter and podcaster, Sarah
(01:07):
Patterson or Beryl as I affectionately call her. We talk
about the massive response to my first series and share
some of the feedback from my community.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Menopause It's coming for you no matter what. Let's build
a village of support. Why is it so damn hot
in here? Menopause is so hot right now? I think
them only in menopause women just want to feel hurt.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Rage against the Menopause back due to popular demand.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Can I say?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Is the one and only Sarah Patterson a pod caster,
radio extraordinaire and one of my very dearest friends who
you will remember was in series one and has had
such naturally an overwhelming reaction to her contribution to Rage
against the menopause.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
She's back a vado.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Home speech that is pretty much the greatest introduction of
my life.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I've well listen to this.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I've had a lady write into me on insta Hypertrina
just reaching out to say, what a goddess send. Your
podcasts have been in helping me understand and come to
terms with my perimenopause journey. The one where you openly
chat with your girlfriend Ethel and Beryl has just been
a joy, helping me realize that all my symptoms have
(02:29):
actually been experienced by other women out there, and it's
not just me going crazy or being a hypochondriac. Oh,
I can't thank you enough for helping to shine a
light on this topic that is all too often swept
under the rug. I'm so stoked to hear that kind
of feedback because it just goes to show we're all
in this together. Yes, we're all feeling these are ridiculous symptoms. Yep,
(02:54):
all in the same boat. Maybe not the same storm,
but at the end of the day, the same boat.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah. It's so true, is it?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And I think that's why, as you know, why I've
done it, because I think in everyone sharing their lived experiences,
it does build a village of support, which is what
it's doing, brick by brick. Yeah, absolutely, And it's helping
women feel heard because you do at times feel like
you're going a little cray cray, actually a lot of
the time, just about every day at the moment. How's
(03:23):
your journey panning out? Look, I'm really not coping with
the cat and mouse situation of symptoms in that you
might go a number of weeks, even a month or two,
we're actually feeling quite inverted commons normal. But then you'll
have like lately, I've had ripper, absolutely riper hot flushes,
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and you know what, it's almost like it's despite me
because I think it might have been you. I said
to you recently. You know, I think I've been lucky
with the hot flushes. I have got hot. But you know,
some women are like full on sweat dripping down their face,
whether it's the onset over summer of the warmer weather.
But just like this nuclear reactor force within the core
(04:06):
of your body, it's like you're foaming up. Yeah, like
some alien life form. It's waiting to bust out of
your torso. And so you put the MOS on yourself
because you were kind of thinking, you get a false
sense of security.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You think, oh, therese have settled down a bit. I
think I'm in the home stretch.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah. Yeah, it's going to sail off into the sunset
and I reckon. For the last year or so, I've
been going really well, not having hardly any hot flashes,
but they have come back with a vengeance. And they
always happen in the middle of the night. Yeah, And
it's trying to get a decent night's sleep.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It's just it's possible.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I find lack of temperature control, yes, of your body, yes, so,
And I had this last night and I've even you know,
I've changed my night where Florence Nightingale has No, I've
gone into like a summer nighty all year round, and
I've gone into like satin because i feel like it's cool,
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like it's nice.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And cold on your skin.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Maybe it needs some nice satin sheets to go with it. Oh,
I don't slipping all over the place, Beryl, But no,
I find you throw the douner off and shove your
leg out, and that it's the night time equivalent of
the hokey pokey, isn't it? Im in one arm out
and then you think, okay, well I'll just leave the
bedding off now, gues that's it. And then two seconds later,
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literally you're freezing.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
What's with that?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And then you have to shove it back on the
course You're constantly waking up your partner because you're throwing
its double the layers on top of them. Yes, yes,
so I've found that a little bit challenging. Just read
the validation Fiona has written, Haypat, sorry, that's very or
really familiar. But hey, I listen to you every morning,
so you do kind of feel familiar to me. I'm
(05:51):
a long time listener to the Christian O'Connell show, so
I've obviously heard and seen all the advertising for Rage
against the Menopause. But I'm not a podcast this kind
of person. Well, I wasn't a podcast kind of person
until Saturday. I don't know what prompted me to put
your podcast on as I was driving into work. Looking back,
I'd say it was a bad menopause weekend. So we're
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not the only ones where we get these periods of
bad sort of symptoms, and maybe I just needed some
sort of validation. By the time I got to work,
I was sobbing. For the first time in five years.
I didn't feel alone. I didn't feel crazy or misunderstood
or old or useless or unwanted. I finally felt heard
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and seen.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Isn't that great.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I'm now on episode four of the first season, and
every episode has brought out a different reaction from me,
usually goosebumps because I feel like you're reading my mind,
or tears. Like I said, I finally feel seen. That's incredible.
That's such a compelling feedback. And may I say that
is a it to you in many ways, Ethel, because
(07:02):
you are so relatable. I think that's the beauty of
what you do on the Christian O'Connell show, and just
in life in general, people can relate to you and
there's no bullshit about you. But that's the thing. I think,
you can just be honest and just be yourself. And
I've spoken about this before in the first series where
I think for me turning fifty, it was a greater
level of acceptance of or not even really giving a
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fuck so much. It's like, well, this is me. I'm
going to lean into it because it can't be anyone else.
And you're the same as a communicator. You have prided
yourself on exactly the same lot. It's funny though, prior
to fifty, I did care greatly what people thought, and
I did really try to dop my eyes and cross
my teas through life.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
But it's funny.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You get into this phase of your life and I
think more than anything, you become aware of your own
mortality and the mortality of the people around you, and
you realize life really is. Sure we don't think about
it in our twenties, where invincible all that shit is
just boring shits kind of leave that to the old folks. Well, hey,
it's going to happen quicker than you think. Yeah, And
(08:09):
it's going to blow your mind if you're if you're
a woman and entering this phase of your life, because
you may be prepared for it, you may sail through it,
but you may not.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And there's a lot going a lot of confronting stuff
that's that's going to rear its head. Yeah, it's coming
to get your ads and as we know, a lot
of women do struggle. I've had another listener write in
I just wanted to end by saying, this was, you know,
the end part of their beautiful message. Amongst the hundreds
(08:40):
of messages that I'm sure you get, the deepest thank you.
My mother was from an era where you simply didn't
discuss things like this, so I never knew what to expect.
There was no fore warning. And my metopause journey has
taken me to some dark places, which is so frustrating
because at the same time, I'm fifty four and in
my stuff what people think here Seriously, Patsy, what you're
(09:04):
doing will save women from some pretty crappy self loathing
and dark thoughts.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Trust me, I know, so thank you. Depression is a
big thing.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Absolutely, gee whiz that it's so heartening to hear feedback
like that, and I'm so sad for what for what
women go through because it is it's it's absolute crap
and the mental strain is unbelievable, but it's it's lovely
to for people to share in such an honest way
and hopefully you know you and I are getting together
(09:34):
like this week can convey honestly, well, it's another look,
another thing for me. And just this last week has
been the brain fade moments where you just have a
complete brain explosion bank it's like a blank, or you
do something totally ridiculous. You really brought yourself a mischief,
didn't you, Like I've had. I've had a couple of
(09:56):
Baryl moments. It really bad, Yes, I decide. Look, I'm
not a gardener by any stretch of the imagination, but
I was standing in my elderly mother's that garden and
I just I looked over at a plant of boxes
and I saw a bit of overgrown silver beet and
a bit of broccoli, and I thought, oh, it looks
a bit untidy. I might just go over and tidy
(10:17):
that up and pull it out. Anyway, I started pulling
a couple of plants out, and I thought yeah, I'm
not bad at this gardening cake. Next minute, you know
in the cartoons the road Run of cartoons, where where
the road runner drops a safe on the coyot, coyote
c stars spinning around when it gets smashed in the head.
I saw stars because I had instead of planting something
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as most gardeners do, I planted my face on a
star picket.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, shocking.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I went through my forehead and I had three little
shards of wood stuck vable under my skin in the forehead,
so like really centimeters from your eye. Yeah, it could
have been so much worse when I think about how
much worse could have been, and it was bad enough,
but yeah. And so sitting there in emergency, and the
(11:04):
doctor says, so what have we got here?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
What have you done? Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, I just bent over and I speared my face
on a garden stake. Yeah, how are you today? So
they had to cut me open and stitch me up,
and and I'd run you for something else. It was
some other tragedy that had happened in my life. And
I needed to speak to my paddo, and you sounded
a bit sort of distant. And this is the sort
of girlfriend that you are you always put everyone else's
(11:29):
needs first? And then I said you're okay, and you said, well, actually,
I've done myself a bit of a mischief, you know,
as you're like profusely bleeding from the head.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Sent you a photo of it. Was awful, Pado.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
But I wasn't with the program. I don't think I
knew what I was what I was doing. Do you
think it's because we try to do everything at once
and we're trying to spin all these different plates. You
can only speak at our age. At our age ethyl
that our depth perception changes, yes, too, and sometimes peripheral
vision or just our vision in general, we don't see
(12:03):
how close some things are or how far away from
oh gosh, all these different things.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You don't hear.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
You'll be going for your driver's license again, roads give
me another test's I've really been taken back by the
response I've got from men. This is something that's really
hip ephysics. Because I hoped that it would be in
the ballpark for women to get something out of the series,
(12:32):
but I did not expect the number of men that
have reached out. One who has written, Hi, Patsy, I'm
a Scottish thirty four year old who listens to the
Christian O'Connell show on podcasts from when.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
He was in the UK.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I happened to be in the pub yesterday evening and
recommended your podcast Rage Against the Menopause to a woman
I was sat next to having really bad hot flushes
and was very embarrassed. I've listened to your podcast myself.
I want to learn to support my partner when she
has the same in future. There just isn't enough out
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there to help women, and as a partner, I want
to support my partner any way I can. So I
want to thank you for what you do with podcast
and educating me.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
What a loveful man you are. What a keeper he
would be a keeper. And there's another one.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
As a male in my early fifties. When this podcast launched,
I thought it wouldn't really be for me, but it's
informative and fun. I've actually learned a lot about what
the women in my life are probably going through. Best
of all, it's entertaining, open and honest too. Isn't it
great to get that feedback from me because it is
so much about men.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I mean, they live with us with.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It, and it's like, hey, guys, it doesn't go over
the top of your heads.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You're as much a part of this as women are.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Because you've got sisters, you've got mothers, you've got aunts,
you've got girlfriends, colleagues, all who need support, and I
think we all need to take an interest in it.
Speaking of from the male perspective, my husband said the
other day, if you're going to do the podcast with Patrina,
ask about how much women blame on menopause. They said,
(14:12):
how much are you allowed to blame on menopause? And
how much is just life? So you know, it's a
really good point. Yeah. I'm of the habit around the
house if I'm in a bad mood, or I drop something,
or I make a mistake, I'll just turn around say, oh,
well it's menopause. It's menopause, yea. And I do tend
to blame it for a lot in my life.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I think a lot of women do.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And Sarah White, doctor Sarah White from gene Hales, made
the point in that first series, the very first episode,
actually that a lot of women do blame a lot
of their symptoms on menopause or perimenopause when it isn't
necessarily which is probably why it's good to have a
good gp and you can say, hey, this is something
new that's happening.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
What's going on.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Maybe that it is menopause, may not be, but I
think we all fall back on that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I do this.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I totally do the same. Another guy, what an amazing,
balanced and realistic insight into a condition that evolutionary biologists,
that's a mouthful. My goodness have been trying to understand
the origins of and significance for decades. And a professor
that's just definitely onto something here, and she's inspired me
(15:23):
to start preparing my twenty nine year old daughter, as
I had no idea that perimenopause symptoms could start for
her anytime soon. Also, don't forget dad's husbands, sons, coworkers, friends,
anyone connected to a woman. Everyone should understand the signs
and symptoms.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
As they're different for everyone.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, and they are the myriad of symptoms, So nothing
new for you, sort of all the same sort of
things you've been experiencing the last twelve months, the hot
flushes and just more moments of doing really well, I guess,
just dumb things. Yeah. Can I tell you one thing
I did and I blame this menopause too. I was
having my haircut this week and I was in the salon.
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I was sitting in front of the mirror, and Kate,
my hairdresser, was just finishing up. And this lady I
saw her across the other side of the salon opened
the door and she said, oh, Kate, are we still
on for a four thirty appointment. Kate said yeah, we'll
see you. Then she said, Okay, see you, and she
closed the door. And I said to Kate, I didn't
ever realize I've been to this salon dozens of times.
I didn't ever realize that you have two doors in
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this salon, that there's the front and the back. And
Kate looked at me and she said, Sarah, you're looking
in the mirror. That's the reflection of the friend. I
forgot your eyes. I forgot for a second that I
was looking in the mirror. I thought I was looking
across it.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Again.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's like the perception thing you were talking about. I
you know what, No, I totally get that. I get
what you mean is that it's like it takes a
while for what you're seeing to register with your brains. Yes,
and you're finding that too, But is that a menopause
thing or just that we're getting old tarts. Well, I
don't think it. Look, I've been a bit daft in
(17:03):
the past, but not quite that dumb.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I know what you mean. It takes a while to
compute sometimes and in your job too.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Love when you're on air and you know, a fast moving,
fast paced breakfast show and you have to be on
the ball, do you sometimes feel that your brain Do
you feel like your brain's keeping up or sometimes.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
You think some days, some days I'm on top of it.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Probably for the most part, I'm on top of it,
but definitely there are days where I'm just feel like
I'm chasing my backside all morning, where It's like, okay,
where am I at now?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm like five steps behind. Because you are.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Doing a lot of bit, you know, I think that
carries over to life for a lot of women.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
We're doing a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
We want to talk about teenagers in this episode because
my daughter's coming up fourteen, your son nineteen, an adult,
but he's still very young, and to me, he's They're
always babies, aren't Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
They really are.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And then you know, into the mix is elderly parents
and my mum who's coming up to nine.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
She's amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, she has been up until this year, and this
year she's just had an absolute shocker, hospital trips and
frustration and a gradual loss of her independence. So she
has been fiercely, fiercely independent. Yes, and so trying to
juggle that along with you know, the needs of a
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young man in your life, yes, and your husband, yes,
and everything else on your career and everything else.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But I think you're doing well.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You've had a sea change, You've moved down to the coast,
and I've never seen you happier, which is so. No,
you've boot scooting. You love your bootscoot. Tell us about
you're addicted. You go like every week.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I go twice a week, twice a week now.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yes. Yes. A girlfriend from who lives down that way
just said to me one day, Sarah, do you want
to come?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
She calls it line dancing. I call it bootschoom. She
doesn't come line dancing, she said.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It's full of old people, and you know, ladies in
their seventies, some of them their eighties. But it's like
the physical equivalent of saduku, so you can remember the steps,
So it's good for your brain. So I had one
crack at it, and I really enjoyed it. And more
than just the physical exercise, it's just the it's doable.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's a social out, its social outing. Yeah, and I
just want to the older I get.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I just I'm more of the I'm more of the
mindset that life really is sure and we have it's
really hard to I think men are a lot better
at taking one day at a time. I think women
tend to look ahead and too far ahead of ourselves,
way too far ahead. And we'll say, look, I'll be
happy when I've dated off the car, I've paid off
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the house. I'll be happy when we when we move here,
when we fix our bathroom, I'll you know, I won't
wear the great lovely clothes that I've won.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Because therefore keep them good.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, best you wear a good makeup that's only for
when we go out, all the teacups and all the
lovely crocker is do you know what that special day
is not going to Today is special? Today is special,
and you don't know what tomorrow is going to ring.
And I'm really trying to practice that sort of motto
in life. Yeah, Yeah, I love I love this version
of you I do. I do, No, I do, because
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you you're grabbing life at the horns and just going.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
With it, and a thin bag you are. You're a
sexy horn bag. But it's true. You're so right.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
It's life is short and and you have to enjoy
as much as you can out of every day as
you navigate this.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Asshole that is perimenopause in man. Pause.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And I know that you will, you know, push back
at this because you are a modest person. But look
at the ear you have had. I mean, you have
an incredible amount of things on your plate and two
years in a row. I mean you've picked up this,
this coveted award as Australia's best FM News three to
that is just incredible. You're a mum, you're a wife,
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you work breakfast hours, you do this podcast. I mean,
I think I'm not surprised you get this kind of
reaction for this podcast because it's so important and people
just think you're amazing. No, but I think people need it,
Women need it, women want it. I know That's why
I did it. As you know, going into menopause, there
(21:23):
was just nothing and I just thought, this can't be
how this journey ends. When there's so much support, as
I've said before, for pregnancy and conception and birth, we
can't be just discarded and thrown cast aside. We need
support and we need information. And that's where this Menopause
(21:44):
Senate inquiry has been so good because finally, I mean,
I know we've got a long way to go, but
it's out there. And who would have thought in our
parents day an age that anything like this could could
possibly happen be recognized?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yes, way talk about it.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
It was almost a shameful thing in our mother's generation
when they started to go through it, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
It's like you did ever talk shameful. Periods were shameful.
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
My mother never used the words pad or so she
was modess Yes, Yes, which is a brand name. And
it was so awkward talking to them about them. You
could tell they felt awkward. And that's certainly not how
I want to beat with Audrey, although I probably do
overshare it Toms, but that's I don't know. I think
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that's what we have to do is just have an
open and frank discussion about it. There's another man, lucky,
another man. Can I thank you for helping me as
a husband? To understand what my wife is currently experiencing.
In the first three episodes of series one, I've learned
a huge amount. Once again, thank you well. I think
that's the thing with your partner. You're both navigating it together.
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No one has all the answers. What is your secret?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I mean, Kevy is just salt of the earth, Kevin
Neally who has these moments. Oh, he's just legendary broadcaster.
No he is, No, he absolutely is.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You're lucky. I'm lucky as well.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I think we've got our soulmates and that's so important
that you do it together, that you've got that support well,
and I think that quite apart from being you know,
you're you're a loving partner.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
They are.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
The foundation is built on friendship and I think you
have to have that solid friendship to be able to
have that understanding from your partner. Sometimes they don't and
they can't understand because they're not going through it. But
I'll give Kevin credit that he tries his level best.
You know, men are problem solvers, they're fixes. They like
to come up with a solution. Say okay, well, what
(23:42):
can we do to solve this couple of panid.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Doll and we're kick in the nuts sound.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's lovely, But that's I think that's just a general
thing with some men. It's that they like to fix it,
and that's lovely that they do. But some things are
not fixable. You just have the only.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Way it is to go through it. That's right.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
So but look, Kevin, it is wonderfully understanding. And like
you said it with Chris, Chris just adores you, he
adores Audrey, and I'm sure he would just he'd walk
over hot coals if it meant that he could try
to help you through this journey. It is so hard
for them though, because you know they don't understand, and
particularly when you have those moments of the instant rage
(24:24):
and everything's getting at you and there's nothing that they
can do, is right. And you know the other thing
about it is you know you're being a preck yes,
and you don't mean to be.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
See it unfolding? Well, you know what.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I don't realize until the moment where he will say,
you know what, I'm just going to pop out and
give you some time, and I think, oh god, yeah, yes,
and then I reflect and think, oh, I like the branch.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Missed has yes, burst, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You think, oh no, see that's not and the guilt,
you feel so guilt that they don't deserve that. It's like, oh,
I've been too or Kevin will say, oh that's a bit,
you know, that's a bit, and he will walk away too. Yeah,
because that's the only I guess that's the only route
left open, because you get whatever he says, it's not
going to be the right thing. Nothing they say will
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be enough or good enough, or just that there will
be something.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That you'll have as a comeback to them. And it's
really hard. Does that shock you sometimes? Because yes it does.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You have a very from what I you know, my
experience and even sort of tempermi do you really know me? No?
But yes, that it is in life in general. It's
quite shocking to think it's that zero to one hundred
and in point three of a second, and it is
quite shocking.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It is quite shot.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
The person in habits your body, Yes, Linda Blair Exorcist,
head spin, Yes, three sixty. It really is so cutos
to the men in our lives who are supporting you. Know.
Of course, some some women don't have that in their life.
I don't know how they do it. I would hope
that they have some really great girlfriends that are helping
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them through their journey. And I would also say too,
if you feel like you're not getting the support from
your otherhalf, tell them what you need or think might help. Yes,
and if that means just a you know, maybe even
just a caddle or something without an agenda, then with
no happy ending, no happy ending, no happy ending. Yeah, no,
you're right, You're absolutely right. And a good point of
(26:29):
reference is the gene Hales Foundation website.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
It's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
There are so many drop downs in so many aspects.
There's psychological support, there's nutrition advice, exercise advice, a list
of gps that you can go to. It is a
really good, if I can use the term one stop shop,
it's a good starting point if not your local GP.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
If you don't have a local GP that you feel is.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Hearing you out of that Senate inquiry is quite shocking
to think that medical students only get sixty men and
that's one hour of menopause education across their whole course.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That is shocking. What's a GP? Is it six years?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yea more?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Even yeah? Sixty minutes that's all they get.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So Are we surprised that we're in I'm going to
say predicament. Are we surprised that women aren't feeling heard,
aren't feeling a lot?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Wouldn't that?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So? I think this inquiry will be great because it's
an election year. Hopefully whoever comes into power that you know,
we're not going to look back now that we're on
the way towards a better solution for women undergoing perian Absolutely,
and how it impacts them in the workforce, and it
really does you feel that you need to have an
(27:49):
excuse up. You see, if you're not you know, if
it's impacting you and you you're not up to doing
your job, you feel guilty.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
But you shouldn't feel guilty about that, No, and.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Be able to talk about it like you would if
you were pregnant and had morning sickness.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's no different. Yeah, exactly right, beautiful, Thanks Pato again,
or Beryl? Should I say, I get confused.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Beryl, and I think you're ethel and it's interchange it.
It's interchangeable. We're like chameleons, karma chameleons.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yes, thanks love.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Journalist and presenter Sarah Patterson. She makes a ripper cream Sponge.
You can catch her podcast Food Bites wherever you get
your podcasts. The Rage continues in episode two with Green's
leader Larissa Waters, who helped instigate the Senate Inquiry into menopause,
a milestone moment for Ossie women, shining a light on
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the current state of affairs and taking aim at how
to move forward in changing the course for future generations
of women. I'm Patrina Jones, and this is Rage against
the Menopause.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Rage against the Menopause was
Welcome to the long awaited season two of Rage Against
the Menopause with Petrina Jones. You can call me Pats
and thanks for being a part of my special club.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
One of the common themes to come out of my
debut series is that women going through perimenopause and menopause
don't feel heard until now.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
There's really not been a.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Space for us to share our lived experiences. Some even
misdiagnosed by health professionals dismissed. Well, I want everyone listening
to know that I got you and you're not alone.
Perimenopause and menopause will impact one point two billion women
globally by twenty thirty, and it's time it was out
(00:44):
in the open, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
My podcast is unashamedly authentic and real. We go there
think you're the only one who sometimes feels like you're
going tropo ah ah. Enjoy episode with one of my besties,
fellow journalist and TV and radio presenter and podcaster, Sarah
(01:07):
Patterson or Beryl as I affectionately call her. We talk
about the massive response to my first series and share
some of the feedback from my community.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Menopause It's coming for you no matter what. Let's build
a village of support. Why is it so damn hot
in here? Menopause is so hot right now? I think
them only in menopause women just want to feel hurt.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Rage against the Menopause back due to popular demand.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Can I say?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Is the one and only Sarah Patterson a pod caster,
radio extraordinaire and one of my very dearest friends who
you will remember was in series one and has had
such naturally an overwhelming reaction to her contribution to Rage
against the menopause.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
She's back a vado.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Home speech that is pretty much the greatest introduction of
my life.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I've well listen to this.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I've had a lady write into me on insta Hypertrina
just reaching out to say, what a goddess send. Your
podcasts have been in helping me understand and come to
terms with my perimenopause journey. The one where you openly
chat with your girlfriend Ethel and Beryl has just been
a joy, helping me realize that all my symptoms have
(02:29):
actually been experienced by other women out there, and it's
not just me going crazy or being a hypochondriac. Oh,
I can't thank you enough for helping to shine a
light on this topic that is all too often swept
under the rug. I'm so stoked to hear that kind
of feedback because it just goes to show we're all
in this together. Yes, we're all feeling these are ridiculous symptoms. Yep,
(02:54):
all in the same boat. Maybe not the same storm,
but at the end of the day, the same boat.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah. It's so true, is it?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And I think that's why, as you know, why I've
done it, because I think in everyone sharing their lived experiences,
it does build a village of support, which is what
it's doing, brick by brick. Yeah, absolutely, And it's helping
women feel heard because you do at times feel like
you're going a little cray cray, actually a lot of
the time, just about every day at the moment. How's
(03:23):
your journey panning out? Look, I'm really not coping with
the cat and mouse situation of symptoms in that you
might go a number of weeks, even a month or two,
we're actually feeling quite inverted commons normal. But then you'll
have like lately, I've had ripper, absolutely riper hot flushes,
(03:44):
and you know what, it's almost like it's despite me
because I think it might have been you. I said
to you recently. You know, I think I've been lucky
with the hot flushes. I have got hot. But you know,
some women are like full on sweat dripping down their face,
whether it's the onset over summer of the warmer weather.
But just like this nuclear reactor force within the core
(04:06):
of your body, it's like you're foaming up. Yeah, like
some alien life form. It's waiting to bust out of
your torso. And so you put the MOS on yourself
because you were kind of thinking, you get a false
sense of security.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You think, oh, therese have settled down a bit. I
think I'm in the home stretch.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah. Yeah, it's going to sail off into the sunset
and I reckon. For the last year or so, I've
been going really well, not having hardly any hot flashes,
but they have come back with a vengeance. And they
always happen in the middle of the night. Yeah, And
it's trying to get a decent night's sleep.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It's just it's possible.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I find lack of temperature control, yes, of your body, yes, so,
And I had this last night and I've even you know,
I've changed my night where Florence Nightingale has No, I've
gone into like a summer nighty all year round, and
I've gone into like satin because i feel like it's cool,
(05:05):
like it's nice.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And cold on your skin.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Maybe it needs some nice satin sheets to go with it. Oh,
I don't slipping all over the place, Beryl, But no,
I find you throw the douner off and shove your
leg out, and that it's the night time equivalent of
the hokey pokey, isn't it? Im in one arm out
and then you think, okay, well I'll just leave the
bedding off now, gues that's it. And then two seconds later,
(05:28):
literally you're freezing.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
What's with that?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And then you have to shove it back on the
course You're constantly waking up your partner because you're throwing
its double the layers on top of them. Yes, yes,
so I've found that a little bit challenging. Just read
the validation Fiona has written, Haypat, sorry, that's very or
really familiar. But hey, I listen to you every morning,
so you do kind of feel familiar to me. I'm
(05:51):
a long time listener to the Christian O'Connell show, so
I've obviously heard and seen all the advertising for Rage
against the Menopause. But I'm not a podcast this kind
of person. Well, I wasn't a podcast kind of person
until Saturday. I don't know what prompted me to put
your podcast on as I was driving into work. Looking back,
I'd say it was a bad menopause weekend. So we're
(06:14):
not the only ones where we get these periods of
bad sort of symptoms, and maybe I just needed some
sort of validation. By the time I got to work,
I was sobbing. For the first time in five years.
I didn't feel alone. I didn't feel crazy or misunderstood
or old or useless or unwanted. I finally felt heard
(06:37):
and seen.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Isn't that great.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I'm now on episode four of the first season, and
every episode has brought out a different reaction from me,
usually goosebumps because I feel like you're reading my mind,
or tears. Like I said, I finally feel seen. That's incredible.
That's such a compelling feedback. And may I say that
is a it to you in many ways, Ethel, because
(07:02):
you are so relatable. I think that's the beauty of
what you do on the Christian O'Connell show, and just
in life in general, people can relate to you and
there's no bullshit about you. But that's the thing. I think,
you can just be honest and just be yourself. And
I've spoken about this before in the first series where
I think for me turning fifty, it was a greater
level of acceptance of or not even really giving a
(07:25):
fuck so much. It's like, well, this is me. I'm
going to lean into it because it can't be anyone else.
And you're the same as a communicator. You have prided
yourself on exactly the same lot. It's funny though, prior
to fifty, I did care greatly what people thought, and
I did really try to dop my eyes and cross
my teas through life.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
But it's funny.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You get into this phase of your life and I
think more than anything, you become aware of your own
mortality and the mortality of the people around you, and
you realize life really is. Sure we don't think about
it in our twenties, where invincible all that shit is
just boring shits kind of leave that to the old folks. Well, hey,
it's going to happen quicker than you think. Yeah, And
(08:09):
it's going to blow your mind if you're if you're
a woman and entering this phase of your life, because
you may be prepared for it, you may sail through it,
but you may not.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And there's a lot going a lot of confronting stuff
that's that's going to rear its head. Yeah, it's coming
to get your ads and as we know, a lot
of women do struggle. I've had another listener write in
I just wanted to end by saying, this was, you know,
the end part of their beautiful message. Amongst the hundreds
(08:40):
of messages that I'm sure you get, the deepest thank you.
My mother was from an era where you simply didn't
discuss things like this, so I never knew what to expect.
There was no fore warning. And my metopause journey has
taken me to some dark places, which is so frustrating
because at the same time, I'm fifty four and in
my stuff what people think here Seriously, Patsy, what you're
(09:04):
doing will save women from some pretty crappy self loathing
and dark thoughts.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Trust me, I know, so thank you. Depression is a
big thing.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Absolutely, gee whiz that it's so heartening to hear feedback
like that, and I'm so sad for what for what
women go through because it is it's it's absolute crap
and the mental strain is unbelievable, but it's it's lovely
to for people to share in such an honest way
and hopefully you know you and I are getting together
(09:34):
like this week can convey honestly, well, it's another look,
another thing for me. And just this last week has
been the brain fade moments where you just have a
complete brain explosion bank it's like a blank, or you
do something totally ridiculous. You really brought yourself a mischief,
didn't you, Like I've had. I've had a couple of
(09:56):
Baryl moments. It really bad, Yes, I decide. Look, I'm
not a gardener by any stretch of the imagination, but
I was standing in my elderly mother's that garden and
I just I looked over at a plant of boxes
and I saw a bit of overgrown silver beet and
a bit of broccoli, and I thought, oh, it looks
a bit untidy. I might just go over and tidy
(10:17):
that up and pull it out. Anyway, I started pulling
a couple of plants out, and I thought yeah, I'm
not bad at this gardening cake. Next minute, you know
in the cartoons the road Run of cartoons, where where
the road runner drops a safe on the coyot, coyote
c stars spinning around when it gets smashed in the head.
I saw stars because I had instead of planting something
(10:38):
as most gardeners do, I planted my face on a
star picket.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, shocking.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I went through my forehead and I had three little
shards of wood stuck vable under my skin in the forehead,
so like really centimeters from your eye. Yeah, it could
have been so much worse when I think about how
much worse could have been, and it was bad enough,
but yeah. And so sitting there in emergency, and the
(11:04):
doctor says, so what have we got here?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
What have you done? Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, I just bent over and I speared my face
on a garden stake. Yeah, how are you today? So
they had to cut me open and stitch me up,
and and I'd run you for something else. It was
some other tragedy that had happened in my life. And
I needed to speak to my paddo, and you sounded
a bit sort of distant. And this is the sort
of girlfriend that you are you always put everyone else's
(11:29):
needs first? And then I said you're okay, and you said, well, actually,
I've done myself a bit of a mischief, you know,
as you're like profusely bleeding from the head.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Sent you a photo of it. Was awful, Pado.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
But I wasn't with the program. I don't think I
knew what I was what I was doing. Do you
think it's because we try to do everything at once
and we're trying to spin all these different plates. You
can only speak at our age. At our age ethyl
that our depth perception changes, yes, too, and sometimes peripheral
vision or just our vision in general, we don't see
(12:03):
how close some things are or how far away from
oh gosh, all these different things.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You don't hear.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
You'll be going for your driver's license again, roads give
me another test's I've really been taken back by the
response I've got from men. This is something that's really
hip ephysics. Because I hoped that it would be in
the ballpark for women to get something out of the series,
(12:32):
but I did not expect the number of men that
have reached out. One who has written, Hi, Patsy, I'm
a Scottish thirty four year old who listens to the
Christian O'Connell show on podcasts from when.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
He was in the UK.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I happened to be in the pub yesterday evening and
recommended your podcast Rage Against the Menopause to a woman
I was sat next to having really bad hot flushes
and was very embarrassed. I've listened to your podcast myself.
I want to learn to support my partner when she
has the same in future. There just isn't enough out
(13:06):
there to help women, and as a partner, I want
to support my partner any way I can. So I
want to thank you for what you do with podcast
and educating me.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
What a loveful man you are. What a keeper he
would be a keeper. And there's another one.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
As a male in my early fifties. When this podcast launched,
I thought it wouldn't really be for me, but it's
informative and fun. I've actually learned a lot about what
the women in my life are probably going through. Best
of all, it's entertaining, open and honest too. Isn't it
great to get that feedback from me because it is
so much about men.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I mean, they live with us with.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It, and it's like, hey, guys, it doesn't go over
the top of your heads.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You're as much a part of this as women are.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Because you've got sisters, you've got mothers, you've got aunts,
you've got girlfriends, colleagues, all who need support, and I
think we all need to take an interest in it.
Speaking of from the male perspective, my husband said the
other day, if you're going to do the podcast with Patrina,
ask about how much women blame on menopause. They said,
(14:12):
how much are you allowed to blame on menopause? And
how much is just life? So you know, it's a
really good point. Yeah. I'm of the habit around the
house if I'm in a bad mood, or I drop something,
or I make a mistake, I'll just turn around say, oh,
well it's menopause. It's menopause, yea. And I do tend
to blame it for a lot in my life.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I think a lot of women do.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And Sarah White, doctor Sarah White from gene Hales, made
the point in that first series, the very first episode,
actually that a lot of women do blame a lot
of their symptoms on menopause or perimenopause when it isn't
necessarily which is probably why it's good to have a
good gp and you can say, hey, this is something
new that's happening.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
What's going on.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Maybe that it is menopause, may not be, but I
think we all fall back on that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I do this.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I totally do the same. Another guy, what an amazing,
balanced and realistic insight into a condition that evolutionary biologists,
that's a mouthful. My goodness have been trying to understand
the origins of and significance for decades. And a professor
that's just definitely onto something here, and she's inspired me
(15:23):
to start preparing my twenty nine year old daughter, as
I had no idea that perimenopause symptoms could start for
her anytime soon. Also, don't forget dad's husbands, sons, coworkers, friends,
anyone connected to a woman. Everyone should understand the signs
and symptoms.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
As they're different for everyone.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, and they are the myriad of symptoms, So nothing
new for you, sort of all the same sort of
things you've been experiencing the last twelve months, the hot
flushes and just more moments of doing really well, I guess,
just dumb things. Yeah. Can I tell you one thing
I did and I blame this menopause too. I was
having my haircut this week and I was in the salon.
(16:04):
I was sitting in front of the mirror, and Kate,
my hairdresser, was just finishing up. And this lady I
saw her across the other side of the salon opened
the door and she said, oh, Kate, are we still
on for a four thirty appointment. Kate said yeah, we'll
see you. Then she said, Okay, see you, and she
closed the door. And I said to Kate, I didn't
ever realize I've been to this salon dozens of times.
I didn't ever realize that you have two doors in
(16:26):
this salon, that there's the front and the back. And
Kate looked at me and she said, Sarah, you're looking
in the mirror. That's the reflection of the friend. I
forgot your eyes. I forgot for a second that I
was looking in the mirror. I thought I was looking
across it.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Again.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's like the perception thing you were talking about. I
you know what, No, I totally get that. I get
what you mean is that it's like it takes a
while for what you're seeing to register with your brains. Yes,
and you're finding that too, But is that a menopause
thing or just that we're getting old tarts. Well, I
don't think it. Look, I've been a bit daft in
(17:03):
the past, but not quite that dumb.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I know what you mean. It takes a while to
compute sometimes and in your job too.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Love when you're on air and you know, a fast moving,
fast paced breakfast show and you have to be on
the ball, do you sometimes feel that your brain Do
you feel like your brain's keeping up or sometimes.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
You think some days, some days I'm on top of it.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Probably for the most part, I'm on top of it,
but definitely there are days where I'm just feel like
I'm chasing my backside all morning, where It's like, okay,
where am I at now?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm like five steps behind. Because you are.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Doing a lot of bit, you know, I think that
carries over to life for a lot of women.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
We're doing a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
We want to talk about teenagers in this episode because
my daughter's coming up fourteen, your son nineteen, an adult,
but he's still very young, and to me, he's They're
always babies, aren't Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
They really are.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And then you know, into the mix is elderly parents
and my mum who's coming up to nine.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
She's amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, she has been up until this year, and this
year she's just had an absolute shocker, hospital trips and
frustration and a gradual loss of her independence. So she
has been fiercely, fiercely independent. Yes, and so trying to
juggle that along with you know, the needs of a
(18:27):
young man in your life, yes, and your husband, yes,
and everything else on your career and everything else.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But I think you're doing well.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You've had a sea change, You've moved down to the coast,
and I've never seen you happier, which is so. No,
you've boot scooting. You love your bootscoot. Tell us about
you're addicted. You go like every week.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I go twice a week, twice a week now.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yes. Yes. A girlfriend from who lives down that way
just said to me one day, Sarah, do you want
to come?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
She calls it line dancing. I call it bootschoom. She
doesn't come line dancing, she said.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It's full of old people, and you know, ladies in
their seventies, some of them their eighties. But it's like
the physical equivalent of saduku, so you can remember the steps,
So it's good for your brain. So I had one
crack at it, and I really enjoyed it. And more
than just the physical exercise, it's just the it's doable.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's a social out, its social outing. Yeah, and I
just want to the older I get.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I just I'm more of the I'm more of the
mindset that life really is sure and we have it's
really hard to I think men are a lot better
at taking one day at a time. I think women
tend to look ahead and too far ahead of ourselves,
way too far ahead. And we'll say, look, I'll be
happy when I've dated off the car, I've paid off
(19:46):
the house. I'll be happy when we when we move here,
when we fix our bathroom, I'll you know, I won't
wear the great lovely clothes that I've won.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Because therefore keep them good.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, best you wear a good makeup that's only for
when we go out, all the teacups and all the
lovely crocker is do you know what that special day
is not going to Today is special? Today is special,
and you don't know what tomorrow is going to ring.
And I'm really trying to practice that sort of motto
in life. Yeah, Yeah, I love I love this version
of you I do. I do, No, I do, because
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you you're grabbing life at the horns and just going.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
With it, and a thin bag you are. You're a
sexy horn bag. But it's true. You're so right.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
It's life is short and and you have to enjoy
as much as you can out of every day as
you navigate this.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Asshole that is perimenopause in man. Pause.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And I know that you will, you know, push back
at this because you are a modest person. But look
at the ear you have had. I mean, you have
an incredible amount of things on your plate and two
years in a row. I mean you've picked up this,
this coveted award as Australia's best FM News three to
that is just incredible. You're a mum, you're a wife,
(21:01):
you work breakfast hours, you do this podcast. I mean,
I think I'm not surprised you get this kind of
reaction for this podcast because it's so important and people
just think you're amazing. No, but I think people need it,
Women need it, women want it. I know That's why
I did it. As you know, going into menopause, there
(21:23):
was just nothing and I just thought, this can't be
how this journey ends. When there's so much support, as
I've said before, for pregnancy and conception and birth, we
can't be just discarded and thrown cast aside. We need
support and we need information. And that's where this Menopause
(21:44):
Senate inquiry has been so good because finally, I mean,
I know we've got a long way to go, but
it's out there. And who would have thought in our
parents day an age that anything like this could could
possibly happen be recognized?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yes, way talk about it.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
It was almost a shameful thing in our mother's generation
when they started to go through it, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
It's like you did ever talk shameful. Periods were shameful.
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
My mother never used the words pad or so she
was modess Yes, Yes, which is a brand name. And
it was so awkward talking to them about them. You
could tell they felt awkward. And that's certainly not how
I want to beat with Audrey, although I probably do
overshare it Toms, but that's I don't know. I think
(22:30):
that's what we have to do is just have an
open and frank discussion about it. There's another man, lucky,
another man. Can I thank you for helping me as
a husband? To understand what my wife is currently experiencing.
In the first three episodes of series one, I've learned
a huge amount. Once again, thank you well. I think
that's the thing with your partner. You're both navigating it together.
(22:53):
No one has all the answers. What is your secret?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I mean, Kevy is just salt of the earth, Kevin
Neally who has these moments. Oh, he's just legendary broadcaster.
No he is, No, he absolutely is.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You're lucky. I'm lucky as well.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I think we've got our soulmates and that's so important
that you do it together, that you've got that support well,
and I think that quite apart from being you know,
you're you're a loving partner.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
They are.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
The foundation is built on friendship and I think you
have to have that solid friendship to be able to
have that understanding from your partner. Sometimes they don't and
they can't understand because they're not going through it. But
I'll give Kevin credit that he tries his level best.
You know, men are problem solvers, they're fixes. They like
to come up with a solution. Say okay, well, what
(23:42):
can we do to solve this couple of panid.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Doll and we're kick in the nuts sound.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's lovely, But that's I think that's just a general
thing with some men. It's that they like to fix it,
and that's lovely that they do. But some things are
not fixable. You just have the only.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Way it is to go through it. That's right.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
So but look, Kevin, it is wonderfully understanding. And like
you said it with Chris, Chris just adores you, he
adores Audrey, and I'm sure he would just he'd walk
over hot coals if it meant that he could try
to help you through this journey. It is so hard
for them though, because you know they don't understand, and
particularly when you have those moments of the instant rage
(24:24):
and everything's getting at you and there's nothing that they
can do, is right. And you know the other thing
about it is you know you're being a preck yes,
and you don't mean to be.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
See it unfolding? Well, you know what.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I don't realize until the moment where he will say,
you know what, I'm just going to pop out and
give you some time, and I think, oh god, yeah, yes,
and then I reflect and think, oh, I like the branch.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Missed has yes, burst, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You think, oh no, see that's not and the guilt,
you feel so guilt that they don't deserve that. It's like, oh,
I've been too or Kevin will say, oh that's a bit,
you know, that's a bit, and he will walk away too. Yeah,
because that's the only I guess that's the only route
left open, because you get whatever he says, it's not
going to be the right thing. Nothing they say will
(25:14):
be enough or good enough, or just that there will
be something.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That you'll have as a comeback to them. And it's
really hard. Does that shock you sometimes? Because yes it does.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You have a very from what I you know, my
experience and even sort of tempermi do you really know me? No?
But yes, that it is in life in general. It's
quite shocking to think it's that zero to one hundred
and in point three of a second, and it is
quite shocking.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It is quite shot.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
The person in habits your body, Yes, Linda Blair Exorcist,
head spin, Yes, three sixty. It really is so cutos
to the men in our lives who are supporting you. Know.
Of course, some some women don't have that in their life.
I don't know how they do it. I would hope
that they have some really great girlfriends that are helping
(26:07):
them through their journey. And I would also say too,
if you feel like you're not getting the support from
your otherhalf, tell them what you need or think might help. Yes,
and if that means just a you know, maybe even
just a caddle or something without an agenda, then with
no happy ending, no happy ending, no happy ending. Yeah, no,
you're right, You're absolutely right. And a good point of
(26:29):
reference is the gene Hales Foundation website.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
It's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
There are so many drop downs in so many aspects.
There's psychological support, there's nutrition advice, exercise advice, a list
of gps that you can go to. It is a
really good, if I can use the term one stop shop,
it's a good starting point if not your local GP.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
If you don't have a local GP that you feel is.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Hearing you out of that Senate inquiry is quite shocking
to think that medical students only get sixty men and
that's one hour of menopause education across their whole course.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That is shocking. What's a GP? Is it six years?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yea more?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Even yeah? Sixty minutes that's all they get.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So Are we surprised that we're in I'm going to
say predicament. Are we surprised that women aren't feeling heard,
aren't feeling a lot?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Wouldn't that?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So? I think this inquiry will be great because it's
an election year. Hopefully whoever comes into power that you know,
we're not going to look back now that we're on
the way towards a better solution for women undergoing perian Absolutely,
and how it impacts them in the workforce, and it
really does you feel that you need to have an
(27:49):
excuse up. You see, if you're not you know, if
it's impacting you and you you're not up to doing
your job, you feel guilty.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
But you shouldn't feel guilty about that, No, and.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Be able to talk about it like you would if
you were pregnant and had morning sickness.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's no different. Yeah, exactly right, beautiful, Thanks Pato again,
or Beryl? Should I say, I get confused.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Beryl, and I think you're ethel and it's interchange it.
It's interchangeable. We're like chameleons, karma chameleons.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yes, thanks love.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Journalist and presenter Sarah Patterson. She makes a ripper cream Sponge.
You can catch her podcast Food Bites wherever you get
your podcasts. The Rage continues in episode two with Green's
leader Larissa Waters, who helped instigate the Senate Inquiry into menopause,
a milestone moment for Ossie women, shining a light on
(28:44):
the current state of affairs and taking aim at how
to move forward in changing the course for future generations
of women. I'm Patrina Jones, and this is Rage against
the Menopause.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Rage against the Menopause was
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