September 10, 2024 • 4 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wake up with Robin and Kip. Hey Jenna, good morning guys.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
How are you going?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hey Jenna, good Now you're a whale expert. Tell us
about how you know all about wales.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I am currently doing my PhD on social learning in
humpback whales, but I'm really focusing on how they learn
song from each other.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Wow, okay, well this is perfect. You are perfect, So
learn songs from each other. So this is obviously not
pop music. We're talking about whale songs, but they teach.
They teach each other different songs a.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Little bit more complicated than that. So basically every population
of humpback whales has their own individual songs. So, for example,
all the whales that are sitting up the East Coast
of Australia, they're all singing one song. But the whales
on the West Coast of Australia, for example, they're thinking
a completely different song.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So it's like dialects in language.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
A little bit. Yeah, but it's really rapid in the
way that it changes as well. So throughout the year
and between seasons, their song actually evolves, like so a
little bit changes here and there, and all the whales
actually listen to each other and in corporate these pages
into their songs, so they keep seeing the same song
(01:18):
as each other. And this is all done through social work.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And is there a lead singer do you know?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I haven't done yet. Actually yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So could it be possible from a scientific viewpoint, which
is where you're sitting, that they could react to certain
sounds that humans make.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I mean, they are quite inquisitive animals. They will, you know,
because any look at any kind of social media at
the moment, you'll see whales popping up everywhere. They definitely
are quite inquisitive and they'll come over and you know,
check out people and boats and things like that. To
say whether it's a particular song or whether it's a
particular sounds, it's a bit hard to tell. But they
(02:00):
are definitely very curious animals.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So this test that Robin's proposing that we go out
on the sun reef boat out off Milula Bar and
play Daryl Braithwaite's Horses to see if wiles definitely respond
to that. Do you think you know, if they do breach,
for example, if we play the song and they all
come around, they start breaching and come to the service,
(02:23):
does it prove anything or it's.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
A bit hard to tell you you'd probably have to
design your experiment a bit well, so you're not really
sure about that.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
We're making a scientist try and use to prove to
prove our point, which is a very tough thing to do.
But it's not out of the realms of possibility.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay. Now, remember that they're singing. They're all putting one
song every year, so maybe you're just playing your wrong song.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Who knows, right, Yeah, because last year we heard that
one hundred percent of the time with this one skipper Anika,
it worked, and she's got video evidence to prove that.
Every time she saw a whale breaching, there was Daryl
Braithwait's horses in the background. But she's saying that this
year it's not as definitive, and that she's trying to
(03:20):
see if there's a different song, if there's a different
thing that they're responding to. And I guess we just
you know, because Kip thinks I'm talking the biggest amount
of BS. So I was like, well, let's get an
expert on who could say that maybe this was the thing.
But you can't because it's not.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I can't say that it's going to work. But hate
you never know.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I mean, you're doing your PhD at UQ in Wales,
Wales like there, would you consider putting your thesis on this?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Oh you come to me, maybe we could have done something.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So you listen to us. And this poor woman is
doing years.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Research and yeah, we're going to find out one afternoon
whether this like I.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Don't know that we've proved or disproved anything. I'm pretty
sure we've disproved. No, no, no, there is no chance.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's what I.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Jenner is not saying that. Good luck, Hope, Jeez, wake
up with Robin and kid
Wake up with Robin and Kip. Hey Jenna, good morning guys.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
How are you going?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hey Jenna, good Now you're a whale expert. Tell us
about how you know all about wales.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I am currently doing my PhD on social learning in
humpback whales, but I'm really focusing on how they learn
song from each other.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Wow, okay, well this is perfect. You are perfect, So
learn songs from each other. So this is obviously not
pop music. We're talking about whale songs, but they teach.
They teach each other different songs a.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Little bit more complicated than that. So basically every population
of humpback whales has their own individual songs. So, for example,
all the whales that are sitting up the East Coast
of Australia, they're all singing one song. But the whales
on the West Coast of Australia, for example, they're thinking
a completely different song.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So it's like dialects in language.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
A little bit. Yeah, but it's really rapid in the
way that it changes as well. So throughout the year
and between seasons, their song actually evolves, like so a
little bit changes here and there, and all the whales
actually listen to each other and in corporate these pages
into their songs, so they keep seeing the same song
(01:18):
as each other. And this is all done through social work.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And is there a lead singer do you know?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I haven't done yet. Actually yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So could it be possible from a scientific viewpoint, which
is where you're sitting, that they could react to certain
sounds that humans make.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I mean, they are quite inquisitive animals. They will, you know,
because any look at any kind of social media at
the moment, you'll see whales popping up everywhere. They definitely
are quite inquisitive and they'll come over and you know,
check out people and boats and things like that. To
say whether it's a particular song or whether it's a
particular sounds, it's a bit hard to tell. But they
(02:00):
are definitely very curious animals.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So this test that Robin's proposing that we go out
on the sun reef boat out off Milula Bar and
play Daryl Braithwaite's Horses to see if wiles definitely respond
to that. Do you think you know, if they do breach,
for example, if we play the song and they all
come around, they start breaching and come to the service,
(02:23):
does it prove anything or it's.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
A bit hard to tell you you'd probably have to
design your experiment a bit well, so you're not really
sure about that.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
We're making a scientist try and use to prove to
prove our point, which is a very tough thing to do.
But it's not out of the realms of possibility.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay. Now, remember that they're singing. They're all putting one
song every year, so maybe you're just playing your wrong song.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Who knows, right, Yeah, because last year we heard that
one hundred percent of the time with this one skipper Anika,
it worked, and she's got video evidence to prove that.
Every time she saw a whale breaching, there was Daryl
Braithwait's horses in the background. But she's saying that this
year it's not as definitive, and that she's trying to
(03:20):
see if there's a different song, if there's a different
thing that they're responding to. And I guess we just
you know, because Kip thinks I'm talking the biggest amount
of BS. So I was like, well, let's get an
expert on who could say that maybe this was the thing.
But you can't because it's not.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I can't say that it's going to work. But hate
you never know.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I mean, you're doing your PhD at UQ in Wales,
Wales like there, would you consider putting your thesis on this?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Oh you come to me, maybe we could have done something.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So you listen to us. And this poor woman is
doing years.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Research and yeah, we're going to find out one afternoon
whether this like I.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Don't know that we've proved or disproved anything. I'm pretty
sure we've disproved. No, no, no, there is no chance.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's what I.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Jenner is not saying that. Good luck, Hope, Jeez, wake
up with Robin and kid
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