September 7, 2023 • 6 mins
Speaking With Cyber Security Expert Brett Lee About Catfishing
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wake up with Robin Terrian Kid.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Brettley the internet safety expert from he's the founder of
Internet Safe Education and hopefully he's going to help us
get Robin's details removed from this platform where the catfisher
was able to get your phone number, amongst other things.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Email.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yep, we are joined by the founder of Internet Safe Education,
Brett Lee.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Help like a tough one.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, I know you've kind of been following along, and
you know that I got catfished and we discovered that
this young guy actually used a couple of platforms that
we've now done some research on and found out that
they are kind of global used for a completely different purpose.
And I don't know what to do now.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I suppose it's the trade off we have when we
do use technology and share our information online. But it
may not only be us, it's you know, other people
sharing that information as well. These companies who produce these
really robust algorithms that can go out and web crawlers
they used to be called, and they can pull all
that information together and some of the really good algorithms
(01:10):
they learn as they go, so as soon as another
piece of information hits the Internet anywhere in the world,
that gets added to our profile, and then they make
that available in a database for people to use, claiming
that it's for legitimate purposes. But they can't control that. Now,
when we in Australia we do a Google search, we're
not searching the whole Internet all around the world. We're
(01:31):
just searching the most relevant and local servers in our area.
These companies can produce these algorithms that go across the
whole world. You know, it may be us mentioning it
online or putting it in an account that's being made
available somehow online. Maybe when you go a season horror
motor vehicles.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So the thing that shocked me was in the context
of catfishing. Everyone's horrified. But this is a legitimate business
and people use it for other.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Purpose exactly right. Robin and I see the biggest problem
with these sites. It feels like we've been invaded. It
feels like it's so personal that someone's done this without
my knowledge. Like our sites such as LinkedIn, you create
your profile and you have the opportunity to go in
and take things down and change things. With these they
(02:20):
don't get permission from us. It's freely available information. Sometimes
they hide it under the guise that is for a
legitimate purpose, but they make it so easy for others
to get access to it and to use it, and
purely by its functionality, it can encourage people to make
bad choyes and it can put people like you in
a very bad position through no fault of your own.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Privacy laws differ around the world. So Australian's privacy laws
is going to be different to the UK and the US.
How is that going to impact being able to get
me off this?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah? Look, legitimate businesses who have a bit of an
ethical code should respond accordingly when there's a request made.
I believe most of these programs out there, particularly some
of the more well known ones, do offer to take
it down. But like social media, it takes twenty seconds
to create an account and it takes two weeks to
get rid of the account. They do not want to
(03:10):
remove information. Information equals power and billions of dollars, but
they should have that portal within that site. If they don't,
that could be quite tricky. You know, if they think
they're going to get a lot of bad publicity, if
they're going to lose customers, they generally go kicking and
screaming to giving people what they want, and that would
be hey, please remove my information. So their business line
(03:31):
is we're just providing a platform and if people misuse it,
you've got to go after them. I think the only
way we can change through legislation, and that's starting to
happen in Australia where the Safety can get social media
sites deleted.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Where I have a problem with this is I have
no say in this whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, this is highly immoral, totally unethical that they would
purposely go out and collect and store all your information,
put it together an entire profile as much as they
can as you as a person, and they make that
available to any single person in the world that they want.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So what is the legitimate reason to have that? And
let me tell you some of these companies, and there
are more than one claiming that all of the big
like Amazon and Disney and New York Times are supporting
these platforms. So what is the legitimate reason that they
can justify having all these people's information.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't think there is an answer to that question
whereby they can say this is okay. All I think
they can hide behind is the fact that we are
doing it for recruiters. We're doing it for people who
want to get that to use it legitimately.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
There's a paywall, like you pay one thousand dollars or
whatever a year to access this information. So they're not
only stealing people's personal information, but they're making money out
of elling us.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Well, that's what the whole Internet revolves around. It all
comes back to one thing. It comes back to money.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Okay, so let me step through what needs to happen
now from your perspective. We have sent an email to
the company and we have c seed our lawyers within
our network. So we're now waiting to hear whether they
respond to that.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yes, and I'll be very interested to hear the result.
The ironic thing is this, Robin, it is not that
easy to find out about this company. As an example,
if you going to Wikipedia and search on Nellie anything,
something will come up. When I tipe those words in
a link to their website, came up them talking about Wikipedia.
(05:30):
Now that happened, I do not know, but I've never
seen that before.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You're a detective, you're a former detective who works in cybersecurity.
I know, and from what you're saying, we've got to
keep trying this way and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I think you're going down the right path, and I
think there's a very good chance that they will remove it.
I'd be very interested to know the outcome. Look, it's
just how we look at technology, and if the government
was doing this, there would be protests in the street.
But a company who is not answerable to anyone, with
no checks and balances, they feel it's okay.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Well, Brett, once I have got myself off this, with
the help of a whole pot of people behind the
scenes here at at radio station, I will be publicly
telling everyone.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
To get off.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's exactly right. That could have been sitting there for
who knows how long. It all comes back to people
and how it affects us, and that should be the
primary thing that's looked at.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So good Brett, thank you for your help, and watch
this space. We'll have some details next week, hopefully some success.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
It's disgusting though it is, and if I'm on there,
we're all on there. Like I'm pretty thinking about my
details because of the job that I do. So yeah,
I mean, as soon as we can work out how
to do this, we will give you the information so
you can check if you're on there, and then also
how to get off Wake Up with Robin, Terri and
(06:47):
Kim
Wake up with Robin Terrian Kid.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Brettley the internet safety expert from he's the founder of
Internet Safe Education and hopefully he's going to help us
get Robin's details removed from this platform where the catfisher
was able to get your phone number, amongst other things.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Email.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yep, we are joined by the founder of Internet Safe Education,
Brett Lee.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Help like a tough one.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, I know you've kind of been following along, and
you know that I got catfished and we discovered that
this young guy actually used a couple of platforms that
we've now done some research on and found out that
they are kind of global used for a completely different purpose.
And I don't know what to do now.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I suppose it's the trade off we have when we
do use technology and share our information online. But it
may not only be us, it's you know, other people
sharing that information as well. These companies who produce these
really robust algorithms that can go out and web crawlers
they used to be called, and they can pull all
that information together and some of the really good algorithms
(01:10):
they learn as they go, so as soon as another
piece of information hits the Internet anywhere in the world,
that gets added to our profile, and then they make
that available in a database for people to use, claiming
that it's for legitimate purposes. But they can't control that. Now,
when we in Australia we do a Google search, we're
not searching the whole Internet all around the world. We're
(01:31):
just searching the most relevant and local servers in our area.
These companies can produce these algorithms that go across the
whole world. You know, it may be us mentioning it
online or putting it in an account that's being made
available somehow online. Maybe when you go a season horror
motor vehicles.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So the thing that shocked me was in the context
of catfishing. Everyone's horrified. But this is a legitimate business
and people use it for other.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Purpose exactly right. Robin and I see the biggest problem
with these sites. It feels like we've been invaded. It
feels like it's so personal that someone's done this without
my knowledge. Like our sites such as LinkedIn, you create
your profile and you have the opportunity to go in
and take things down and change things. With these they
(02:20):
don't get permission from us. It's freely available information. Sometimes
they hide it under the guise that is for a
legitimate purpose, but they make it so easy for others
to get access to it and to use it, and
purely by its functionality, it can encourage people to make
bad choyes and it can put people like you in
a very bad position through no fault of your own.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Privacy laws differ around the world. So Australian's privacy laws
is going to be different to the UK and the US.
How is that going to impact being able to get
me off this?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah? Look, legitimate businesses who have a bit of an
ethical code should respond accordingly when there's a request made.
I believe most of these programs out there, particularly some
of the more well known ones, do offer to take
it down. But like social media, it takes twenty seconds
to create an account and it takes two weeks to
get rid of the account. They do not want to
(03:10):
remove information. Information equals power and billions of dollars, but
they should have that portal within that site. If they don't,
that could be quite tricky. You know, if they think
they're going to get a lot of bad publicity, if
they're going to lose customers, they generally go kicking and
screaming to giving people what they want, and that would
be hey, please remove my information. So their business line
(03:31):
is we're just providing a platform and if people misuse it,
you've got to go after them. I think the only
way we can change through legislation, and that's starting to
happen in Australia where the Safety can get social media
sites deleted.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Where I have a problem with this is I have
no say in this whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, this is highly immoral, totally unethical that they would
purposely go out and collect and store all your information,
put it together an entire profile as much as they
can as you as a person, and they make that
available to any single person in the world that they want.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So what is the legitimate reason to have that? And
let me tell you some of these companies, and there
are more than one claiming that all of the big
like Amazon and Disney and New York Times are supporting
these platforms. So what is the legitimate reason that they
can justify having all these people's information.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't think there is an answer to that question
whereby they can say this is okay. All I think
they can hide behind is the fact that we are
doing it for recruiters. We're doing it for people who
want to get that to use it legitimately.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
There's a paywall, like you pay one thousand dollars or
whatever a year to access this information. So they're not
only stealing people's personal information, but they're making money out
of elling us.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Well, that's what the whole Internet revolves around. It all
comes back to one thing. It comes back to money.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Okay, so let me step through what needs to happen
now from your perspective. We have sent an email to
the company and we have c seed our lawyers within
our network. So we're now waiting to hear whether they
respond to that.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yes, and I'll be very interested to hear the result.
The ironic thing is this, Robin, it is not that
easy to find out about this company. As an example,
if you going to Wikipedia and search on Nellie anything,
something will come up. When I tipe those words in
a link to their website, came up them talking about Wikipedia.
(05:30):
Now that happened, I do not know, but I've never
seen that before.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You're a detective, you're a former detective who works in cybersecurity.
I know, and from what you're saying, we've got to
keep trying this way and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I think you're going down the right path, and I
think there's a very good chance that they will remove it.
I'd be very interested to know the outcome. Look, it's
just how we look at technology, and if the government
was doing this, there would be protests in the street.
But a company who is not answerable to anyone, with
no checks and balances, they feel it's okay.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Well, Brett, once I have got myself off this, with
the help of a whole pot of people behind the
scenes here at at radio station, I will be publicly
telling everyone.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
To get off.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's exactly right. That could have been sitting there for
who knows how long. It all comes back to people
and how it affects us, and that should be the
primary thing that's looked at.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So good Brett, thank you for your help, and watch
this space. We'll have some details next week, hopefully some success.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
It's disgusting though it is, and if I'm on there,
we're all on there. Like I'm pretty thinking about my
details because of the job that I do. So yeah,
I mean, as soon as we can work out how
to do this, we will give you the information so
you can check if you're on there, and then also
how to get off Wake Up with Robin, Terri and
(06:47):
Kim
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