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Speaker 1 (00:12):
I heard podcasts, hear more kiss podcasts, playlists and listen
live on the Freeheart app.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Robin and Kids Now with Correos.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
The podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You would have seen over the last twenty four hours
that there's been a story that has blown up over
a Queensland mum who got thrown out of a airline
lounge of Virgin a corporate area because she was breast pumping.
I think the reason why I want to talk about
this too is because twenty five years ago, my eldest
son is twenty five. I breastpumped in the studio every
(00:48):
single day in the studio and we had glass all around.
The staff would come in and out. I didn't ask permission.
I was like, if you want me on air and
I want to feed my child. Yes, I mean poor
Jamie Dunn saw more of my boobs than.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
He's ever cut.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Wanting question, So how are we twenty five years later
having this conversation with doctor Release Turner.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I know this was the TikTok video that Doctor Release
put out.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
But I've been told that I can't sit here in
the Virgin lounge as a paying business class ticket holder
to express breast milk that sits under my shirt like this,
because this is a private business lounge and we don't
do that here. This is just disgusting that this is
twenty twenty five and this is the sort of treatment
that lactating mothers are expected to deal with.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That video had about hundreds of thousands of shares likes,
and it went across all other platforms as well because
people were rightly outraged.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And so we have doctor Elease with us.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Hello, good morning, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
How are we good?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Haven't you started a conversation that was long overdue?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh goodness? This was just flooring for me. And I
was flavergacid because I've actually approached the team at the start.
This is the only reason that it really came to
their attention at all, because I had approached the desk
and said, is there a public, sorry, a private space
that I can pump police that isn't a toilet or
(02:18):
a bathroom? And I was told no, Look, you know,
unless you want to hire the board rooms for one
hundred dollars, you've got to pump in the lounge. And
I said, that's okay, I can do that. They're no worries.
And as I was setting up my kid, I didn't
even have it on yet, you know, there was nothing
on the show here there. I was approached them by
the staff supervisor who had heard our discussion at the
(02:40):
front desk, and then I was told you can't do
that here. We don't do this his business land because
there are men here.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Huh. But was the supervisor was a woman, right?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yes, I'm stunned by that as well.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Did you throw the law at her?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Mate?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I did, And you know, she really was so heartily
strong in her stands a little bit aggressive in her
conviction that I was doubting myself. This is the space
that I work in, this is this is my job.
You know, I'm a women's health practitioner, so I do
know that the laws are protected with this. But she
(03:19):
was so convincing that I sort of was going, oh
my god, maybe I am not allowed to do this here.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You asked, But you are, and it does.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
It has exactly the same legal protection as physically breastfeeding,
and such a privileged thing to be able to physically
breastfeed with my twins. I can't physically breastfeed them both
at once, which by the way, would involve me taking
my top almost completely off because if you've ever seen
a woman tandem feed, you've got to get both out.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So here's my question though, mate, I think everyone has
been completely outraged. I genuinely do. Don't you like the
feedback has been that this is utterly ridiculous?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Is that for me?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, Look, overwhelmingly the support is in, you know, in
life to say you should be able to breastfeed or
express whatever you need to do to look after your child.
At the end of the day, breastfeeding parents, lactating parents,
we're just trying to nourish our children. We're just trying
to do our best and take care of our babies.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Have you had any blow pushback other than the lady
at the Virgin Lounge? Like what about the comments on
the videos and things like that. Have you had people say, well, no,
that was inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I have, and I think they're really ill informed people
who are thinking, Okay, perhaps I'm sitting there taking my
top off, which, by the way, you know, even if
I did, that's actually still legally protected for a breastfeeding
more lactating person to do that. There's a lot of
misinformation that there was anything visible or on show. But
I do think, you know, if the thought of somebody
(04:52):
pumping breast milk or breastfeeding in front of you makes
you uncomfortable, then that's a problem for you.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, aren't we at the point at twenty twenty five
where you actually could be completely topless feeding your child, Like,
shouldn't that be okay?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Would you ever do that?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And look, it's just a boob, yeah, you know, I
don't know if you guys saw the billboard that the
nala Ware Intimate brand had placed outside Virgin Virgin Airport. Yes,
they're fantastic. It's twenty twenty five, Get over it. It's
just a boove well quite literally, the only reason they exist,
So it doesn't need to be sexualized. No, I'm quite
(05:33):
comfortable in my body. I would happily feed. But I
asked for that private room, not out of shirking or
shy violets from me. It was out of respect for
people that I had asked for that. So I don't
think anyone can accuse me of trying to be disrespectful
in this scenario by wanting to nourish my child.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, thank you for joining us, doctor Turner, and thank
you for starting this conversation. It's a shame that you
had to. Thank you for starting it, thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
For bringing some awareness to it. I think it's all
too important. We really need to share the dignity for
feeding parents and make them feel loved and supported. So
the only treatment I want in a virgin lounge for
these parents is somebody to chase them around with a
cup of tea and.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
A cush That's right. Can I get you the t
exactly thirty one six five number if you want to
get involved with this chat? Maybe what do you think
even if it was even if doctor Leis had shirt
off because you had to, isn't that still okay? Is
there any one of the things that that's not okay?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I'm k thirteen one oh sixty five. You are in
a protected space. We love to get all opinions, because Cory,
you do have a slightly different one, which we can
get to next.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Is that fair? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
In twenty twenty five, isn't it okay if you boobs
around trying to feed your babies? I mean that's the Corey.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
No.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Yeah, when I was younger, obviously I grew up in
the bush, so I didn't see a lot of this.
I didn't see any of it. I didn't know it
was a thing, you know, all that breastflit in the open.
And then I move into Brisbane. I remember when I
first said it. It was more of a shock.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Oh do you remember where you were?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Is it in the shop?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
I was walking around showing center and I remember, you know,
and just I said, I'm like, oh, oh, okay, you
do that here.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It was just my shock.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
I was it discussed and I'm like, oh right, yeap,
and I just walked the other way and looked away.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
But then having kids and wife and understanding why yeah
and all that sort of stuff and being more knowledgeable,
it's yeah, I'm completely for it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I'm looking at some of the comments on that TikTok
video that Doctor Release posted and not I mean, there
are plenty of lots of support, but there's this comment's
got hundreds of likes. I'm a woman, and it would
make me uncomfortable keep some things private. But you can't, yeah,
I know, if you've got to do it right.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
The other thing, and we heard from doctor Relief she
has twins. She's obviously getting on a plane where you
know she tried, but you would be in so much pain?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, right, because exactly so much to.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Leave your manto. What do you think about this?
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I have a bit of, possibly a controversial opinion on this,
and it's based on the fact that breasts have two functions,
not just one, and there is I'm going to start
by saying, there is absolutely nothing sexual about putting on
a breast pump or feeding a child, nothing whatsoever. But
(08:28):
there are some women who actually, without going into detail,
obviously you don't need to know stuff about me, but
some people actually do like the sexual aspect of breasts.
And I feel like constantly saying, but it's just a breast.
There there is nothing sexual about it. For those people
(08:48):
who enjoy that sort of play, we're putting them down.
They're making them feel like there's something wrong with them,
that there is something sexual about a breast for them.
But we need to separate the two. There is nothing
sexual about a breastfeeding mum or a mum who's having
to pump. There's something wrong with us that we can't
(09:11):
separate the.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Two, and some people can't because they are Yeah, they're definitely,
I mean, look at some of it when you look
at the supermodels.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Maddie of Paddington.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
What do you think, Hi, guys.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
I don't want to come across the wrong way, but
I think it's absolutely unacceptable to breastfeed in public, matter
the circumstance, no matter you just you don't know who's
around who, what cultures are around you. People have like
certain cultures where they don't want to see that, and
(09:50):
that goes against their religion. So I think it's about respect.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
What if you have to.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Go to the.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Bathroom and and that's on them, that's actually on them.
In Australia where it's against the law to discriminate against
women breastfeeding, if someone is uncomfortable to that extent and
it's part of their religious culture, then they need to
navigate because that's exactly what happens to us when we
go to those countries. You know, you have to adapt
(10:17):
to the law within the land in which you are.
And I just yeah, that just does not fly with.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Can I leave it with this comment I've just read,
which is pretty funny from somebody who says I worked
in a pub once and a mum was breastfeeding. I
bought a gentleman his food and he asked me to
tell her how disgusting it was and to go to
the toilet. So I picked up his food and walked
towards the toilet. He asked me what I was doing.
I said, you're going to have your dinner in there,
and he didn't make any comments after that.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's clever, yes, clever yes,
I heard podcasts, hear more kiss podcasts, playlists and listen
live on the Freeheart app.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Robin and Kids Now with Correos.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
The podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You would have seen over the last twenty four hours
that there's been a story that has blown up over
a Queensland mum who got thrown out of a airline
lounge of Virgin a corporate area because she was breast pumping.
I think the reason why I want to talk about
this too is because twenty five years ago, my eldest
son is twenty five. I breastpumped in the studio every
(00:48):
single day in the studio and we had glass all around.
The staff would come in and out. I didn't ask permission.
I was like, if you want me on air and
I want to feed my child. Yes, I mean poor
Jamie Dunn saw more of my boobs than.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
He's ever cut.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Wanting question, So how are we twenty five years later
having this conversation with doctor Release Turner.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I know this was the TikTok video that Doctor Release
put out.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
But I've been told that I can't sit here in
the Virgin lounge as a paying business class ticket holder
to express breast milk that sits under my shirt like this,
because this is a private business lounge and we don't
do that here. This is just disgusting that this is
twenty twenty five and this is the sort of treatment
that lactating mothers are expected to deal with.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That video had about hundreds of thousands of shares likes,
and it went across all other platforms as well because
people were rightly outraged.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And so we have doctor Elease with us.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Hello, good morning, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
How are we good?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Haven't you started a conversation that was long overdue?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh goodness? This was just flooring for me. And I
was flavergacid because I've actually approached the team at the start.
This is the only reason that it really came to
their attention at all, because I had approached the desk
and said, is there a public, sorry, a private space
that I can pump police that isn't a toilet or
(02:18):
a bathroom? And I was told no, Look, you know,
unless you want to hire the board rooms for one
hundred dollars, you've got to pump in the lounge. And
I said, that's okay, I can do that. They're no worries.
And as I was setting up my kid, I didn't
even have it on yet, you know, there was nothing
on the show here there. I was approached them by
the staff supervisor who had heard our discussion at the
(02:40):
front desk, and then I was told you can't do
that here. We don't do this his business land because
there are men here.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Huh. But was the supervisor was a woman, right?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yes, I'm stunned by that as well.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Did you throw the law at her?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Mate?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I did, And you know, she really was so heartily
strong in her stands a little bit aggressive in her
conviction that I was doubting myself. This is the space
that I work in, this is this is my job.
You know, I'm a women's health practitioner, so I do
know that the laws are protected with this. But she
(03:19):
was so convincing that I sort of was going, oh
my god, maybe I am not allowed to do this here.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You asked, But you are, and it does.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
It has exactly the same legal protection as physically breastfeeding,
and such a privileged thing to be able to physically
breastfeed with my twins. I can't physically breastfeed them both
at once, which by the way, would involve me taking
my top almost completely off because if you've ever seen
a woman tandem feed, you've got to get both out.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So here's my question though, mate, I think everyone has
been completely outraged. I genuinely do. Don't you like the
feedback has been that this is utterly ridiculous?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Is that for me?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, Look, overwhelmingly the support is in, you know, in
life to say you should be able to breastfeed or
express whatever you need to do to look after your child.
At the end of the day, breastfeeding parents, lactating parents,
we're just trying to nourish our children. We're just trying
to do our best and take care of our babies.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Have you had any blow pushback other than the lady
at the Virgin Lounge? Like what about the comments on
the videos and things like that. Have you had people say, well, no,
that was inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I have, and I think they're really ill informed people
who are thinking, Okay, perhaps I'm sitting there taking my
top off, which, by the way, you know, even if
I did, that's actually still legally protected for a breastfeeding
more lactating person to do that. There's a lot of
misinformation that there was anything visible or on show. But
I do think, you know, if the thought of somebody
(04:52):
pumping breast milk or breastfeeding in front of you makes
you uncomfortable, then that's a problem for you.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, aren't we at the point at twenty twenty five
where you actually could be completely topless feeding your child, Like,
shouldn't that be okay?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Would you ever do that?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And look, it's just a boob, yeah, you know, I
don't know if you guys saw the billboard that the
nala Ware Intimate brand had placed outside Virgin Virgin Airport. Yes,
they're fantastic. It's twenty twenty five, Get over it. It's
just a boove well quite literally, the only reason they exist,
So it doesn't need to be sexualized. No, I'm quite
(05:33):
comfortable in my body. I would happily feed. But I
asked for that private room, not out of shirking or
shy violets from me. It was out of respect for
people that I had asked for that. So I don't
think anyone can accuse me of trying to be disrespectful
in this scenario by wanting to nourish my child.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, thank you for joining us, doctor Turner, and thank
you for starting this conversation. It's a shame that you
had to. Thank you for starting it, thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
For bringing some awareness to it. I think it's all
too important. We really need to share the dignity for
feeding parents and make them feel loved and supported. So
the only treatment I want in a virgin lounge for
these parents is somebody to chase them around with a
cup of tea and.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
A cush That's right. Can I get you the t
exactly thirty one six five number if you want to
get involved with this chat? Maybe what do you think
even if it was even if doctor Leis had shirt
off because you had to, isn't that still okay? Is
there any one of the things that that's not okay?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I'm k thirteen one oh sixty five. You are in
a protected space. We love to get all opinions, because Cory,
you do have a slightly different one, which we can
get to next.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Is that fair? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
In twenty twenty five, isn't it okay if you boobs
around trying to feed your babies? I mean that's the Corey.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
No.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Yeah, when I was younger, obviously I grew up in
the bush, so I didn't see a lot of this.
I didn't see any of it. I didn't know it
was a thing, you know, all that breastflit in the open.
And then I move into Brisbane. I remember when I
first said it. It was more of a shock.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Oh do you remember where you were?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Is it in the shop?
Speaker 6 (07:10):
I was walking around showing center and I remember, you know,
and just I said, I'm like, oh, oh, okay, you
do that here.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It was just my shock.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
I was it discussed and I'm like, oh right, yeap,
and I just walked the other way and looked away.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
But then having kids and wife and understanding why yeah
and all that sort of stuff and being more knowledgeable,
it's yeah, I'm completely for it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I'm looking at some of the comments on that TikTok
video that Doctor Release posted and not I mean, there
are plenty of lots of support, but there's this comment's
got hundreds of likes. I'm a woman, and it would
make me uncomfortable keep some things private. But you can't, yeah,
I know, if you've got to do it right.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
The other thing, and we heard from doctor Relief she
has twins. She's obviously getting on a plane where you
know she tried, but you would be in so much pain?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, right, because exactly so much to.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Leave your manto. What do you think about this?
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I have a bit of, possibly a controversial opinion on this,
and it's based on the fact that breasts have two functions,
not just one, and there is I'm going to start
by saying, there is absolutely nothing sexual about putting on
a breast pump or feeding a child, nothing whatsoever. But
(08:28):
there are some women who actually, without going into detail,
obviously you don't need to know stuff about me, but
some people actually do like the sexual aspect of breasts.
And I feel like constantly saying, but it's just a breast.
There there is nothing sexual about it. For those people
(08:48):
who enjoy that sort of play, we're putting them down.
They're making them feel like there's something wrong with them,
that there is something sexual about a breast for them.
But we need to separate the two. There is nothing
sexual about a breastfeeding mum or a mum who's having
to pump. There's something wrong with us that we can't
(09:11):
separate the.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Two, and some people can't because they are Yeah, they're definitely,
I mean, look at some of it when you look
at the supermodels.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Maddie of Paddington.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
What do you think, Hi, guys.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
I don't want to come across the wrong way, but
I think it's absolutely unacceptable to breastfeed in public, matter
the circumstance, no matter you just you don't know who's
around who, what cultures are around you. People have like
certain cultures where they don't want to see that, and
(09:50):
that goes against their religion. So I think it's about respect.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
What if you have to.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Go to the.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Bathroom and and that's on them, that's actually on them.
In Australia where it's against the law to discriminate against
women breastfeeding, if someone is uncomfortable to that extent and
it's part of their religious culture, then they need to
navigate because that's exactly what happens to us when we
go to those countries. You know, you have to adapt
(10:17):
to the law within the land in which you are.
And I just yeah, that just does not fly with.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Can I leave it with this comment I've just read,
which is pretty funny from somebody who says I worked
in a pub once and a mum was breastfeeding. I
bought a gentleman his food and he asked me to
tell her how disgusting it was and to go to
the toilet. So I picked up his food and walked
towards the toilet. He asked me what I was doing.
I said, you're going to have your dinner in there,
and he didn't make any comments after that.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's clever, yes, clever yes,
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