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Speaker 1 (00:12):
I heard podcasts, year more, kiss podcasts, playlists, and listen
live on the Freeheart app Robin Kidd Now with Correos
the podcast Robin's Does this make it more palatable for you?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
If we put it in an entertainment kind of bubble?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It helps because Courtney Kadashian is not going to make
you guys feel good. She has appeared on her sister's
Chloe Kardashian's new podcast, which is called Chloe in Wonderland.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Chloe is the big one, the tall one, the very
tall one, Courtney's the little one.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
And Courtney's the eldest, the oldest, okay right, and they
talk like.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
It's forty four minutes.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I think you'd rather the dentist without anesthetic then listen
to it is.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
My guest, So I did it for you.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And one of the things that I've discovered about her,
which I think I knew but not to this extent,
is that she is a real attachment parenting advocate, so
she doesn't believe, for example, in medications.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Living authentically is not conforming. I will like nurse the
fever of my kids versus giving tail and al or ibuprofen,
like I love to just go against the green.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
What her talking like that would put me to sleep?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Okay, fair enough, let's keep going.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
She co sleeps with her fifteen month old son Rocky.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
With the attachment style parenting. I hold him for his
naps the whole time, the whole time. Once he took
a nap for like five hours, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And she just sat on a chair and held him.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
But we used to because our baby's eleven months. I'm Sienna,
and we used to call that getting baby trapped if
she'd fall asleep on you and you were trapped under
the baby and be like, oh my goodness, I can't
do anything for the next two hours. It's the worst.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
It's cute for a bit, but everyone else to do
everything for me.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
But and yes, both of those things are controversial, but
I think this is the one that's going to blow
your mind. Have it to listen to what she says
about kids going to school.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I love to just go against the green. Let's say
the school system. I'll think, why do kids can go
to school? It's so dated.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Oh, I'm such a homeschool person, so don't even get.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah, my kids will send me videos be like really
successful people, and they'll be like, my kids never go
to school and they're never going to and whatever. And
then I'm like, okay, what's the goal here. You want
to do homeschool, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
They're not going to go to school.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
They're not going to go to school.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Now, Okay, we can argue that that's rich people talking
about getting their own teacher.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Who's going to homeschool their kids. Right, let's put that
to one side.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
They're not going to be the teachers. Terrifying. Imagine if
your mom's called and your teacher, what is she going
to teach you? Here's how you endorse a product to
get a million dollars and then you can get a
nap for a bit.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Okay, But okay, so I'm going to take the role
because I actually think that every single person on this
planet has an opinion about school. Yes, and schools have
not changed their system for one hundred years. It's an
institution that you send your kids to. And yes, there's
variants on religious and non religious, in state and whatever,
(03:30):
but it is a one model fits all.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
And it's pretty much the same as it starts at nine,
finishes at three or thereabout.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
It doesn't necessarily work for how working parents are operating.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So just imagine that I am a friend.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Of course, I walk into a bar and I say,
I'm going to homeschool my kid.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
What are you going to say?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I think that's bad.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Why? Why?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Because I feel like my kid doesn't fit into the system.
They might get bullied, They like to learn differently, they're
more like they may I want to teach them different
things about life. School does not give you a huge
amount of life lessons. It's not telling you to work
out a bank account, is it. It's not showing you up. Okay,
(04:15):
So why would you say that homeschooling is a bad idea?
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Because my memories of school with all my friends and
growing up you know, with all that and none how
to socialize, and just it was that I love being
a part of that more than school. And I can
agree that I don't think all schools are for everyone,
but I feel like there's other school, there's other ways
(04:38):
around that. I don't think homeschool is.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So you send your kids to school to socialize.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
To learn how to socialize. I reckon, that's a huge
that's pretty it's massive. Like I remember my all my
fondest memories were lunchtime or before school or after school stuff.
It wasn't the school it was. Yeah, it's the social aspect,
and if you take a kid out of that, then
they don't learn how to be part of society. I
feel like you end up being potentially weird.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
But imagine for twelve years you know, I'm sure for
the first twelve years you all you know is from
what she says, just leaping on your mum's laugh and
that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You don't kids that get bullied? What about kids that
don't fit into society.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
That I believe there's a better way that they can
do it. I feel like our sism needs to be
better with that, with knowing how to educate certain people,
like for me and since Adie Hasty, I struggled so much.
I didn't like that part of school because I didn't
know why I was in trouble, or why I kept
getting in trouble, or what to change or do. Because
in my.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Still advocating for school. What do you mean but you're
saying you had this terrible experience, but you still think
it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
But I love lunchtimes, I love playing my friends. I
love that part of school so much, and I would
never change that part.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Thirty one six five is our number. And yeah, and
I wonder with even on the bullying aspect as crap
as it is, but you learn how to deal with
it right, and then you go to the workplace. And
if you've never learned how to do it, you go
to workplace, there's going to be a bully there. And
what do you do? You go home to mum like
you're going to have to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't know, man, I mean, you've said homeschooling kids.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
A weird potentially, I think socially you could be I
reckon and correct me if I'm wrong. Thirty one oh
six five, But I think you have the potential to
bring a kid up who is not doesn't know how
to be in society and doesn't know how to hang
out with other people.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
The phone lines have gone off over to you, Holly
of thor Inside.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
What would you like to say?
Speaker 7 (06:31):
Okay, well, look, I'm a small teacher. I'm a high
school teacher and I'm going to be sticking out for
school here. So all the teachers, the way that we
teach now has changed so much qums at school, since
I was at school, since you fights are at school
now keeping it's really face in inclusive practice. We differentiate
(06:52):
our practice to meet the kidneys. So, for example, I've
got a class with quite a few AHD. With that class,
I do what I call vertical learning, So I get
them up in their feet using piples, working in groups. Wow,
if I've got a kid that's working below you level,
they will still have the same concert as they can access.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So it's not just to send them out of the
class because they're naughty kids' situation anymore. It's about adapting
to those kids. Thirty one oh six five's our number.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
So that's an advocate for traditional school.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I would love to hear from someone who is very
passionate about homeschooling.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Alex Warren. Right now, this is ordinary. Would they be
listening those people? Are they at home making a hemp blanket?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
You just keep digging yourself in that aisle, buddy, Rebecca
of Underwood, you are all for it.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Tell us why homeschooling. I have four friends that went
through it. The eldest went to mainstream and then reverted
back to homeschool. I had no idea the programs that
they had access to. So it was just me not
being educated. I thought I was going to be full mainstream,
but hearing about the homeschool program is how amazing and
(08:00):
I was actually a bit envious. Like they have formals,
they have sport carnivals, there's a whole community of mothers
that get together, like Free to Learn was one of
the programs. I think it sounded so the.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Socialize week, which is what we're worried about, Like they
don't learn to socialize on a daily, daily basis.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
They're incredibly social. They're probably more social than I and
I loved going to school to socialize. And I wasn't
very academic and I struggled. But that one on one
tutoring in a really holistic focused environment can make children thrive.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So you're telling me, Rebecca, you would have preferred you
went to a normal school, but you would have preferred
to be homeschooled.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Look, I was huge into sports and I was grateful
that that's what my school gave me, sports and music.
I struggled so much with curriculum and I needed a
lot of one on one tutoring at the expense of
my parents.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Thank you, Jackie out of Tim Galper. What are your
thoughts on this.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
Jackie, Yeah, common health effectser I'm basically I'm in a
business where I used to have to run too classes
and one of those classes each week was time school
right now. I used to have anywhere from ten to
fifteen kids in this particular time off I'm skill, and
(09:13):
I used to split them all a lot so they
weren't in their family groups. When I found that they
just didn't want to talk to other states, didn't communicate,
I felt, as well as other.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
Kids in the class, they interesting, Well, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
I don't want to offend anybody out there, because there
is there is a lot of programs out there that
I'm schooling now, But I found that children, I found
them very hard to have a community, to communicate, to
have a real conversation you know with them.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
That's that's your experience. I mean, you can't.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You don't send people on your behalf, say Jackie.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Jackie Drew of BEF and Gary, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Okay, guys, I see bullying whether you go to school,
you don't go to school, it doesn't matter like it's
in society.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
So if they go to school, they're going to be bullied.
Speaker 8 (10:06):
If they don't go to school, they're still going to
be bullied.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
So it doesn't matter whether you do or you don't
go to school, You're still going to get bullied.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Okay, So you're then an advocate for school or not?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yes, right, so so, but so the idea of taking
your kid out of school to get away from bullying,
you don't think that's that's the answer.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
No, because it happens in everyday society. I'm an OSH leader,
I'm an OSH worker, so I can see both sides.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
But so that's before school care, after school care. Yeah,
it happens at our at our service daily.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
So it doesn't matter whether they're at school or they're
not at school.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah. Our producers have said, you reckon that. It frustrates you.
People want a home school to have less problems.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Okay, interesting it is.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
So what's the issue then, the curriculum or is it
the is it the bullying?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Is it the the issue?
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Is it all the above?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
No, the issue is Courtney Kardashi.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yes, thank you. I think we all agreed that there's
the problem