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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They came bounding over.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's the procedure?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
This is Roden Gabby versus the world.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
In the eighties.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
When you heard this, you knew an awesome cartoon was
about to happen.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
What's that one?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
And the master's on the universe and they've never made
as good a cartoon since?
Speaker 6 (00:32):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
What castle bracegir This is Cringer, my fearless friend. Fabulous
secret powers were revealed to me either day. I held
on after my magic.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Sword and said, by the power, I have the power,
love you, I just.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Have the power?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
He man?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
He man? Okay before my time, okay, okay, okay, that
was bound to happen at some point, and that was
the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What a stunning I've never seen an episode of that,
but you've heard of him, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I thought it was just a figurine.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, and that was the thing though.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
They just to sell those They made a cartoon and
people watch the cartoon.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And that was cartoons in the eighties.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
And you're telling me that scientifically they're better than they
are today.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Yeah, so I've done. I've had a lot of articles
come across my algorithm telling me that eighties and nineties
TV shows that we watched as kids are better than
the ones that are produced now in terms of overstimulation
of children, because they've figured out that bright colors, a
lot of music, a lot of movement that keeps kids
(01:49):
entertained and interested for a longer period of time, which
means they watch more and more and more. Because especially
on YouTube, where they want you to keep watching, watching, watching,
they draw the kids in and they try to keep
it there, and so it gets very overstimulating for them,
and it can cause meltdowns when you take the TV away.
It can cause them not being able to sleep well
(02:12):
at night. Like that's why they say you're meant to
reduce screen time for kids, because it can get a
little mutch. So supposedly if you use eighties and nineties
TV shows, because we had no idea about that kind
of stuff back then, it was just cool content, less colors,
(02:32):
less music.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It does feel like there's an element of Russian roulette, though,
because in the eighties and eighties, because we didn't know
what we were doing, you could get one or two
random episodes that do fire your kids up.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's true. I really trusted that.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
In twenty twenty whatever, there was enough science to be
teaching our kids something.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I mean, he man at the end of the episode
to go, let me tell you a lesson. It was
a lesson at the end of the episode.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
It was right and like Captain America, like they always
had a good moral of the story.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Right despite the that he made me punching on with
everyone through the whole episode, still a moral. He'd sharp
and go, let's not do this is something that wasn't
him having a barney with someone. And I would have
thought that these days there was more signs.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
There's definitely psychology.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
There's definitely yeah, but that's half the problem. Sometimes there's
definitely a lot of learnings in these shows, like the
ones that I've seen, but they still know the psychology
around keeping kids addicted to the.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Screen okay, very manipulative a little bit.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
So I thought I'd test the theory over the holidays
and see if I could get Olivia interested in some
TV shows I watched as a kid. Unfortunately, the ones
that I put on that I liked, like Captain America
or what else did I try on her, like Bananas
in Pajamas. She just wasn't a fan of those original ones. However,
(03:53):
did love Tellytubbies, which I absolutely hate.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
When we talk about psychologically experiment, which is what you're
doing here, the Telly Tubbies is probably to go.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, it's it's the most extreme one to.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Go because as adults it made no sense to any
of us.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
She loved it. Loves to Telly Tubbies.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
The Bubba's Son, they love them.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Loves God, the baby in the Sun, that is her
favorite part. She really loves that bit. And Humphrey be
Bear was another one that she really enjoyed with the
different not Humphrey Bee Bear who was the purple dinosaur.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Guy, oh the dinosaur yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Barnie Barney and friends and he had like all the
different like the dinosaurs and they're all singing wheels on
the bus as they walk around.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
That was nearly the greatest comeback for Humphrey in decades.
When you watch Australian story, the stories are just extraordinary
and buried in there from all corners and pockets of
the greatest country in the world. But this one that
we saw a few weeks ago with Kate Reid was
rather extraordinary because she is an aerodynamicist, an engineer for
(05:06):
a Formula one team, or at least was called Williams,
one of the oldest and most famous Formula one teams
in the history of motorsport. And so for the episode
to open at the French embassy with them speaking about
her croissants as better than their own, I thought, where
are we going with this?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
The croissant was invented in Vienna, celebrated in France, but
it might be fair to say that it was perfected
in Melbourne by Kate ree.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
This is her best achievement for a long French people
and being better French, better than the French is the
ultimate compliment. Those who go to Melbourne know the Loon Partisserie,
and she's responsible for I don't even know where to start.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Kate Reid, good morning, congratulations.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Thank you so much for having me, and thank you.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
My mouth is watering just think about these croissants.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
I should have really arranged a delivery of them to
the studio this morning.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
That was rude, right, That's the curse of being world
famous for the best croissants in the world.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
When you show.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Up, is there just an unspoken expectation that you've always
got some with you? Oh?
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Literally everywhere I mean, I show up to my dentist
and he's like, where are my croissants? And I respond
to him, while are you doing my dental work for free?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Very good?
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Do you pay with croissants? I really love that you
got on the bandwagon of the Taylor Swift announce of
her The Life of a show Girl album recently.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Oh, I love that you've seen that's put up.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
The Life of a Dog Girl.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
I was doing an event related to my new memoir,
Destination Moon, with an incredible Sydney based comedian, Jennifer Wong,
and she's a huge Swiftie and she's like, come on, Kate,
like you and Taylor. You've released her book, she's released
her album. There's got to be something there. And I
said to her, what about the Life of a Dogel
And she's like, don't come on my job too.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
The collab is ready to go. We just wanted to
get on board. It's the obvious question. It's a question
that I can only imagine you're seek of answering. Hence
why you wrote a book so that we can all
read about it. And the book is called Destination Moon. However,
I suppose in a nutshell, going from being one of
the most highly regarded engineers, living the dream of so
(07:23):
many little Australian boys and girls to go and work
in Formula one at the highest level, and then walking
away from that to switch to what is an incredible
passion and love.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
How does that happen?
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Yeah, I think you've pretty much summed it up that
it's the reason that I pretty much needed to write
a book to tell the story in its full detail.
And it's not an easy question to answer. In a nutshell,
I'm going to give it a shot and then everyone
will understand why there's a book out about it now.
And it's been something I dreamed about from a young child.
It was a way that I got to spend time
(07:55):
with my dad, who was probably my best friend when
I was little. He loved motorsport. I started watching F one,
but when I experienced it in person for the first
time at the first Melbourne Grand Prix in nineteen ninety six,
I just knew that I wanted that to be my
whole life. It was an obsession and then I worked
really solidly for a decade, just hyper focused on this
(08:17):
dream of designing Formula one cars for my career, and
I achieved the dream job. But I think along the way,
I built up a pretty high expectation of what that
would look like, and the reality of working in the
industry really didn't match this enormous dream that I built
up for myself. And then two, I really don't want
(08:38):
to play this down because it's an incredibly important part
of the story, but through the dissolution of the dream,
I developed depression, which then morphed into a very serious
eating disorder in anorexia. And I guess it does sound
deeply ironic, but it's quite common that through the eating disorder,
(08:58):
I became equal fully obsessed with food because we're starving
our bodies and you know you can't. Your brain is
just sending signals to the rest of your body all
like all day, saying please eat, please eat. So you
think about food all the time, and you think about
the food so that you love. And I've loved baked
goods my whole life, so I developed a bit of
(09:18):
an obsession with baked goods through the eating disorder, and
then had this incredible opportunity to go to Paris and
learn how to make croissants, and it was there that
I fell in love with what I believe to be
like the king of the pastry world. I mean it
basically is the Formula one of pastries. The croissants so
hard to make well, and I think in the cross
(09:39):
On I found that perfect intersection of creativity, innovation, precision,
and also something delicious that makes people feel really good.
There you go, Nutshell especially, you.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Did that very well in a Nutshell Yes a book four.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
You mentioned the eating disort of there, which is obviously
a really really hard thing to work through and get over.
Butterfly Foundation is there for anyone listening who does need
any help. I find that really interesting that food then
was your therapy because my cousin was in a similar
situation to you, and she's now a nutritionist. And I've
seen this many times where food is, you know, the
(10:22):
focus and the therapy. So did that actually help in
your recovery when it comes to the croissants and the bakery.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I think it's safe to say that Loon probably pulled
me out of my eating disorder. Like you know, I'd
gone from having this thing in Formula one that literally
it was my identity and it defined me. And then
when that dream dissolved, I felt like I had nothing
that to find me in nothing to obsess over, and
then I guess that's where all the negativity of the
(10:52):
eating disorder moved in. But then in croissants, I found
this new thing that I could direct all my energy to,
and I was only too busy, like trying to perfect
the croissant and build a business, and that kind of
just moved the eating disorder out of the real estate
in my brain and replaced it with something where I
was channeling all of that energy and obsession towards something positive.
(11:15):
So yeah, I think it's very safe to say that
that that focus on baking and croissants saved me incredible.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
When you talk about focus and striving for perfection, a
lot of us so I'm going to try and perfect this.
But when it comes to the precision with which clearly
your mind works, you've perfected the croissant to the extent that, yes,
the French are going, yeah, that's actually better than ours.
Wild to say the least. We could chat for an hour,
and that's why there's actually the Abbacit did a beautiful
(11:44):
job on that, on that Australian story, so.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You can see that.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
However, we can meet you and grab the book Destination. Man,
You're coming to Canberra to share this story Wednesday the fifteenth,
from six until seven at Cambrey Cinema at the ANU.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
We can't wait to chat with you more.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Congratulations on everything, Thank you so much for the time
today and travel safe coming down.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Thank you so much for having me Rod and Gabby
versus the world.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm Ashley Nolan in the newsroom. Did you watch Bathist yesterday?
Growing up in New Zealand, were you even aware of Bathist?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I was aware of it, definitely. I didn't watch it yesterday,
but I wish I had because it sounded like it
was wild, oh wild. But then when the safety cars
come out, it does get a bit boring because they
all catch up.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And yes and no, though, so what were there?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
There's so many? Were seven safety cars?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Right?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
And so what what a safety cars? So when something
bad happens and they need to slow everyone down so
they can clean up the wreckage, they'll get the safety
car out so that they all go slow around the
track until it's all cleaned and then off they go again.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Okay, Anyway, I ended up being close at the end
because yes, it started raining in Bathists and so people
are sliding, crashing, and you know, keeping it exciting.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And then this happened and when this finals.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Begill the them Channel team and the victory. So Garth
tan is one, that's great. What it's like they've never
done it before. Who did this Channel ten? I mean
they've done it before, but they did the thing where
they put up the communication from in the car at
(13:21):
the same time as the commentary team. And if you
watch the Formula One, they're very disciplined. They know everyone
stopped speaking when we cross to inside someone's car.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
We don't know when it's going to happen. When it happens,
everyone stops.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Have a listen to how the Channel ten team or
maybe it's the Fox Sports team manage it. Once the
coms from inside the car come from Gartanders car, he's
won this thing.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Here we go. What a dog's breakfast is how I
would describe. I don't think they learned by that. That
goes on for about another.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Minute, please, and we fell back in love with bathist.
That doesn't sell it.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
People loved it, and so they got on the social
media and they started saying Formula one could learn something
from this that more overtaking, more rain, more crashing. People
loved it. Of course Formula One. You know, it doesn't
have any windscreen wipers, so that's a little bit different.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, but they do all of that in Formula One
as well. I'm not putting anything against Bathist. I love Bathist.
I've been there. I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
You've been to the Bathist race.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Yeah, I was all about the supercars when I lived
in Orange, just down the road.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
That's good context.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Though, And when I was in Townsville, I went to
the supercars up there.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Sure, but you're in Orange. I mean, what else are
you going to do. It's a very good point people
liked yesterday. So there you're going. You have a twin
sister named Rachel.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I do identical twin identically.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Identical twin sister.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Baby Wes was so confused when you were talking to
her on the screen the other day.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Rachel met her.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
On the weekend and falling over like Rachel was like,
I feel like I know you, Baby Wes because she
sees wears online on the videos.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
And he's like, I feel like I know you because
you're you know, you were a bit sorry, I mean
he thought you were talking yeah, Shelby video.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
So I'm just wondering because your sausage dog puppy Indie
obviously doesn't know that Rachel exists.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
No, did you set it up so that she walked
in without you? How did you do it?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So we picked them up from the airport and brought
them back home, and we said, well, this had been
like a running joke in the family of like how
would Indie react? And we were all taking our guesses
of like, oh, she might not like think that Rachel
is me because we have different smells.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And dogs are super smart.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, so I was like, I think that she'll know me,
and she'll still be a bit stand offish with Rachel
because she is when she meets new people, she's a
bit stand offish.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
She's a dashound.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
If anyone has a dash hound, yeah, yeah, they've got
good sense. Anyway, we said, okay, Rachel, you walk in
the house first with Jared, just to kind of see
if Indy runs.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
To you and you listens. Jared's boy my partner, Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Chelsea's boyfriend going in with Chelsea's sister looks the sas smart.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I love this trip.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
So she walks in and she says, high Indy, Hi Indy,
which is the dog's name. And Indy runs straight to
her and thinks that Rachel me, and then what happened
when you walked in and I walked in and I
sat down on the ground as well. So Rachel and
I were sitting across from each other on the ground,
and Indy was running between us both. I don't think
she realized.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
What mom, Mom, Mom, mom, And then she little mind
been blown.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, she was like, I have two months now, I
trust you know. I love the dogs.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
They can sense things, These these service dogs in particular,
they can sense someone's gonna have a seizure before it happens.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I saw a video the other day.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
His dogs sense there was going to be a volcano,
there's gonna be an earthquake, and went and protected a
baby and then the room started checking. These dogs have
magic powers, but not any
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Too much.
They came bounding over.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's the procedure?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
This is Roden Gabby versus the world.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
In the eighties.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
When you heard this, you knew an awesome cartoon was
about to happen.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
What's that one?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
And the master's on the universe and they've never made
as good a cartoon since?
Speaker 6 (00:32):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
What castle bracegir This is Cringer, my fearless friend. Fabulous
secret powers were revealed to me either day. I held
on after my magic.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Sword and said, by the power, I have the power,
love you, I just.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Have the power?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
He man?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
He man? Okay before my time, okay, okay, okay, that
was bound to happen at some point, and that was
the moment.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What a stunning I've never seen an episode of that,
but you've heard of him, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I thought it was just a figurine.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, and that was the thing though.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
They just to sell those They made a cartoon and
people watch the cartoon.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And that was cartoons in the eighties.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
And you're telling me that scientifically they're better than they
are today.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Yeah, so I've done. I've had a lot of articles
come across my algorithm telling me that eighties and nineties
TV shows that we watched as kids are better than
the ones that are produced now in terms of overstimulation
of children, because they've figured out that bright colors, a
lot of music, a lot of movement that keeps kids
(01:49):
entertained and interested for a longer period of time, which
means they watch more and more and more. Because especially
on YouTube, where they want you to keep watching, watching, watching,
they draw the kids in and they try to keep
it there, and so it gets very overstimulating for them,
and it can cause meltdowns when you take the TV away.
It can cause them not being able to sleep well
(02:12):
at night. Like that's why they say you're meant to
reduce screen time for kids, because it can get a
little mutch. So supposedly if you use eighties and nineties
TV shows, because we had no idea about that kind
of stuff back then, it was just cool content, less colors,
(02:32):
less music.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It does feel like there's an element of Russian roulette, though,
because in the eighties and eighties, because we didn't know
what we were doing, you could get one or two
random episodes that do fire your kids up.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's true. I really trusted that.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
In twenty twenty whatever, there was enough science to be
teaching our kids something.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I mean, he man at the end of the episode
to go, let me tell you a lesson. It was
a lesson at the end of the episode.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
It was right and like Captain America, like they always
had a good moral of the story.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Right despite the that he made me punching on with
everyone through the whole episode, still a moral. He'd sharp
and go, let's not do this is something that wasn't
him having a barney with someone. And I would have
thought that these days there was more signs.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
There's definitely psychology.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
There's definitely yeah, but that's half the problem. Sometimes there's
definitely a lot of learnings in these shows, like the
ones that I've seen, but they still know the psychology
around keeping kids addicted to the.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Screen okay, very manipulative a little bit.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
So I thought I'd test the theory over the holidays
and see if I could get Olivia interested in some
TV shows I watched as a kid. Unfortunately, the ones
that I put on that I liked, like Captain America
or what else did I try on her, like Bananas
in Pajamas. She just wasn't a fan of those original ones. However,
(03:53):
did love Tellytubbies, which I absolutely hate.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
When we talk about psychologically experiment, which is what you're
doing here, the Telly Tubbies is probably to go.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, it's it's the most extreme one to.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Go because as adults it made no sense to any
of us.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
She loved it. Loves to Telly Tubbies.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
The Bubba's Son, they love them.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Loves God, the baby in the Sun, that is her
favorite part. She really loves that bit. And Humphrey be
Bear was another one that she really enjoyed with the
different not Humphrey Bee Bear who was the purple dinosaur.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Guy, oh the dinosaur yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Barnie Barney and friends and he had like all the
different like the dinosaurs and they're all singing wheels on
the bus as they walk around.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
That was nearly the greatest comeback for Humphrey in decades.
When you watch Australian story, the stories are just extraordinary
and buried in there from all corners and pockets of
the greatest country in the world. But this one that
we saw a few weeks ago with Kate Reid was
rather extraordinary because she is an aerodynamicist, an engineer for
(05:06):
a Formula one team, or at least was called Williams,
one of the oldest and most famous Formula one teams
in the history of motorsport. And so for the episode
to open at the French embassy with them speaking about
her croissants as better than their own, I thought, where
are we going with this?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
The croissant was invented in Vienna, celebrated in France, but
it might be fair to say that it was perfected
in Melbourne by Kate ree.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
This is her best achievement for a long French people
and being better French, better than the French is the
ultimate compliment. Those who go to Melbourne know the Loon Partisserie,
and she's responsible for I don't even know where to start.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Kate Reid, good morning, congratulations.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Thank you so much for having me, and thank you.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
My mouth is watering just think about these croissants.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
I should have really arranged a delivery of them to
the studio this morning.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
That was rude, right, That's the curse of being world
famous for the best croissants in the world.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
When you show.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Up, is there just an unspoken expectation that you've always
got some with you? Oh?
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Literally everywhere I mean, I show up to my dentist
and he's like, where are my croissants? And I respond
to him, while are you doing my dental work for free?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Very good?
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Do you pay with croissants? I really love that you
got on the bandwagon of the Taylor Swift announce of
her The Life of a show Girl album recently.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Oh, I love that you've seen that's put up.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
The Life of a Dog Girl.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
I was doing an event related to my new memoir,
Destination Moon, with an incredible Sydney based comedian, Jennifer Wong,
and she's a huge Swiftie and she's like, come on, Kate,
like you and Taylor. You've released her book, she's released
her album. There's got to be something there. And I
said to her, what about the Life of a Dogel
And she's like, don't come on my job too.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
The collab is ready to go. We just wanted to
get on board. It's the obvious question. It's a question
that I can only imagine you're seek of answering. Hence
why you wrote a book so that we can all
read about it. And the book is called Destination Moon. However,
I suppose in a nutshell, going from being one of
the most highly regarded engineers, living the dream of so
(07:23):
many little Australian boys and girls to go and work
in Formula one at the highest level, and then walking
away from that to switch to what is an incredible
passion and love.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
How does that happen?
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Yeah, I think you've pretty much summed it up that
it's the reason that I pretty much needed to write
a book to tell the story in its full detail.
And it's not an easy question to answer. In a nutshell,
I'm going to give it a shot and then everyone
will understand why there's a book out about it now.
And it's been something I dreamed about from a young child.
It was a way that I got to spend time
(07:55):
with my dad, who was probably my best friend when
I was little. He loved motorsport. I started watching F one,
but when I experienced it in person for the first
time at the first Melbourne Grand Prix in nineteen ninety six,
I just knew that I wanted that to be my
whole life. It was an obsession and then I worked
really solidly for a decade, just hyper focused on this
(08:17):
dream of designing Formula one cars for my career, and
I achieved the dream job. But I think along the way,
I built up a pretty high expectation of what that
would look like, and the reality of working in the
industry really didn't match this enormous dream that I built
up for myself. And then two, I really don't want
(08:38):
to play this down because it's an incredibly important part
of the story, but through the dissolution of the dream,
I developed depression, which then morphed into a very serious
eating disorder in anorexia. And I guess it does sound
deeply ironic, but it's quite common that through the eating disorder,
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I became equal fully obsessed with food because we're starving
our bodies and you know you can't. Your brain is
just sending signals to the rest of your body all
like all day, saying please eat, please eat. So you
think about food all the time, and you think about
the food so that you love. And I've loved baked
goods my whole life, so I developed a bit of
(09:18):
an obsession with baked goods through the eating disorder, and
then had this incredible opportunity to go to Paris and
learn how to make croissants, and it was there that
I fell in love with what I believe to be
like the king of the pastry world. I mean it
basically is the Formula one of pastries. The croissants so
hard to make well, and I think in the cross
(09:39):
On I found that perfect intersection of creativity, innovation, precision,
and also something delicious that makes people feel really good.
There you go, Nutshell especially, you.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Did that very well in a Nutshell Yes a book four.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
You mentioned the eating disort of there, which is obviously
a really really hard thing to work through and get over.
Butterfly Foundation is there for anyone listening who does need
any help. I find that really interesting that food then
was your therapy because my cousin was in a similar
situation to you, and she's now a nutritionist. And I've
seen this many times where food is, you know, the
(10:22):
focus and the therapy. So did that actually help in
your recovery when it comes to the croissants and the bakery.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I think it's safe to say that Loon probably pulled
me out of my eating disorder. Like you know, I'd
gone from having this thing in Formula one that literally
it was my identity and it defined me. And then
when that dream dissolved, I felt like I had nothing
that to find me in nothing to obsess over, and
then I guess that's where all the negativity of the
(10:52):
eating disorder moved in. But then in croissants, I found
this new thing that I could direct all my energy to,
and I was only too busy, like trying to perfect
the croissant and build a business, and that kind of
just moved the eating disorder out of the real estate
in my brain and replaced it with something where I
was channeling all of that energy and obsession towards something positive.
(11:15):
So yeah, I think it's very safe to say that
that that focus on baking and croissants saved me incredible.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
When you talk about focus and striving for perfection, a
lot of us so I'm going to try and perfect this.
But when it comes to the precision with which clearly
your mind works, you've perfected the croissant to the extent that, yes,
the French are going, yeah, that's actually better than ours.
Wild to say the least. We could chat for an hour,
and that's why there's actually the Abbacit did a beautiful
(11:44):
job on that, on that Australian story, so.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You can see that.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
However, we can meet you and grab the book Destination. Man,
You're coming to Canberra to share this story Wednesday the fifteenth,
from six until seven at Cambrey Cinema at the ANU.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
We can't wait to chat with you more.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Congratulations on everything, Thank you so much for the time
today and travel safe coming down.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Thank you so much for having me Rod and Gabby
versus the world.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm Ashley Nolan in the newsroom. Did you watch Bathist yesterday?
Growing up in New Zealand, were you even aware of Bathist?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I was aware of it, definitely. I didn't watch it yesterday,
but I wish I had because it sounded like it
was wild, oh wild. But then when the safety cars
come out, it does get a bit boring because they
all catch up.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And yes and no, though, so what were there?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
There's so many? Were seven safety cars?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Right?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
And so what what a safety cars? So when something
bad happens and they need to slow everyone down so
they can clean up the wreckage, they'll get the safety
car out so that they all go slow around the
track until it's all cleaned and then off they go again.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Okay, Anyway, I ended up being close at the end
because yes, it started raining in Bathists and so people
are sliding, crashing, and you know, keeping it exciting.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And then this happened and when this finals.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Begill the them Channel team and the victory. So Garth
tan is one, that's great. What it's like they've never
done it before. Who did this Channel ten? I mean
they've done it before, but they did the thing where
they put up the communication from in the car at
(13:21):
the same time as the commentary team. And if you
watch the Formula One, they're very disciplined. They know everyone
stopped speaking when we cross to inside someone's car.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
We don't know when it's going to happen. When it happens,
everyone stops.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Have a listen to how the Channel ten team or
maybe it's the Fox Sports team manage it. Once the
coms from inside the car come from Gartanders car, he's
won this thing.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Here we go. What a dog's breakfast is how I
would describe. I don't think they learned by that. That
goes on for about another.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Minute, please, and we fell back in love with bathist.
That doesn't sell it.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
People loved it, and so they got on the social
media and they started saying Formula one could learn something
from this that more overtaking, more rain, more crashing. People
loved it. Of course Formula One. You know, it doesn't
have any windscreen wipers, so that's a little bit different.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, but they do all of that in Formula One
as well. I'm not putting anything against Bathist. I love Bathist.
I've been there. I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
You've been to the Bathist race.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Yeah, I was all about the supercars when I lived
in Orange, just down the road.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
That's good context.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Though, And when I was in Townsville, I went to
the supercars up there.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Sure, but you're in Orange. I mean, what else are
you going to do. It's a very good point people
liked yesterday. So there you're going. You have a twin
sister named Rachel.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I do identical twin identically.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Identical twin sister.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Baby Wes was so confused when you were talking to
her on the screen the other day.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Rachel met her.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
On the weekend and falling over like Rachel was like,
I feel like I know you, Baby Wes because she
sees wears online on the videos.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
And he's like, I feel like I know you because
you're you know, you were a bit sorry, I mean
he thought you were talking yeah, Shelby video.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
So I'm just wondering because your sausage dog puppy Indie
obviously doesn't know that Rachel exists.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
No, did you set it up so that she walked
in without you? How did you do it?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So we picked them up from the airport and brought
them back home, and we said, well, this had been
like a running joke in the family of like how
would Indie react? And we were all taking our guesses
of like, oh, she might not like think that Rachel
is me because we have different smells.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And dogs are super smart.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, so I was like, I think that she'll know me,
and she'll still be a bit stand offish with Rachel
because she is when she meets new people, she's a
bit stand offish.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
She's a dashound.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
If anyone has a dash hound, yeah, yeah, they've got
good sense. Anyway, we said, okay, Rachel, you walk in
the house first with Jared, just to kind of see
if Indy runs.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
To you and you listens. Jared's boy my partner, Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Chelsea's boyfriend going in with Chelsea's sister looks the sas smart.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I love this trip.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
So she walks in and she says, high Indy, Hi Indy,
which is the dog's name. And Indy runs straight to
her and thinks that Rachel me, and then what happened
when you walked in and I walked in and I
sat down on the ground as well. So Rachel and
I were sitting across from each other on the ground,
and Indy was running between us both. I don't think
she realized.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
What mom, Mom, Mom, mom, And then she little mind
been blown.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, she was like, I have two months now, I
trust you know. I love the dogs.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
They can sense things, These these service dogs in particular,
they can sense someone's gonna have a seizure before it happens.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I saw a video the other day.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
His dogs sense there was going to be a volcano,
there's gonna be an earthquake, and went and protected a
baby and then the room started checking. These dogs have
magic powers, but not any
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Too much.
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