March 22, 2022 • 47 mins
Our favourite recruits are dropping like flies! In this episode, Geoff Huegill and Anna Heinrich talk about the ups and downs of their SAS Australia experience. Geoff reveals the downright crazy moments that didn't make it to air and Anna gives an insight into how she prepared for the course in only 4 weeks… shortly after giving birth! Plus, Merrick and Sabrina give their reactions to the culling and predict who they think will be standing atop the proverbial SAS Australia mountain in next week's finale. Watch season two of SAS Australia on Channel 7.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
With only four days remaining on the SAS Australia selection course,
the days are beginning to feel longer, the challenge is harder,
and even talking to people around base camp becomes too
much of an exertion of valuable energy. This is your
SAS Australia debrief. I'm merk Watch, joined by Sabrina Frederick.
What keeps recruits going at this point?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
SAPs?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I think at this point it's very much the confidence
building that you've had from the previous tasks, and I
think also knowing your why, like why you're actually on
this course that's going to serve you in the next
few days. Whilst the course is you know, getting to
its peak, knowing that there's not long.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Left absolutely and we're starting to see some really good
people drift off the course. Coming up, we will speak
to one of those people, Jeff Hugil, about his experience
on SAS Australia, and later we'll discuss the culling that
took place and give our thoughts on if we think
the DS made the right call. We did predict it,
but did we predict the right recruits? Yes, we did.
Spoiler alert whatever. Heinrich will be dropping by for a
(01:01):
chat as well. Lots of good stuff to dissect on
this week's debrief, let's dive into it. The recruits have
reached day ten and it was all about resilience. This
is the big one for me, Sabs. When I saw
(01:21):
that theme, I knew the recruits were in for a
massive day of pain and looking around the base camp
you could see that they're battered and bruised. And when
I say bruised, how was the bruise we saw on Ebony.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
She's shown she's tough, she's got a bruise and she's
got no hair now to.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Mas.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
The first task of the episode was one we're very
very familiar with the surf immersion. We did this on
day five and it was well, let's just say it's fucked.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yes, that's a bit.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
How much harder would this have been at this point
for them?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So in selection, Yeah, that's a good point. That's a
really good thing because I think that this would definitely
be a lot tougher. People can't underestimate the weight that
you're carrying. When you're wet and your pockets are full
of sand, and your boots are wet and they're full
of sand. Everything is just that much harder. And it's
I think it's a real credit that people, you know,
gave it a real crack because it was brutal.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So yeah, that combination together the surf emersion plus the
beasting on the sand, it's it's actually one that would
take a lot of people, definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And you know, the funny thing is is that it's
not necessarily people who have got a natural water nature
they're going to do well in the water. There's it's
the combination of things. For me personally, when we did
the surf mission, being in the water was the easy part.
I looked forward for being to going in the water.
I know that sounds insane.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I actually agree with you. I agree with you because
it's almost like you take the break from the besting.
It almost becomes the easier element, yep to it.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, but for other people, as you know, like other
people get in the water and they get the panics.
Yeah they might be familiar with water, but they can
still get the panic in the water because they're worried about,
you know, taking a mouthful. But I loved it. It was like,
just get me back in that water.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Just no more back anything but the best thing.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Please hated it. The surfer mission is brutal, and as
I said, like you know, even people who are familiar
with water can still get worn down. We saw Jeff
Hugel hand in his number. Pretty devastating, wasn't it was
gutting to see the big man go.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, it was. It wasn't really a surprise. You could
tell physically he was probably one of the weakest at
the back, probably got to a point where it was
just his time. But I've loved watching him on that
and to be honest, I think he blossomed. I think
he at the start he was a bit you know,
deer in the headlines, and I think he really excelled
in those last few days, so I think he can
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walk away with his head held high.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Absolutely. The only thing let him down was his cardio ability.
His fitness dropped him off. And you know what, full
respect to somebody who knows that they're done and doesn't
muck around and drag anybody else down. He just goes
bang done, thank you very much, and was extremely grateful.
We'll be talking to Jeff a little later in the podcast,
but let's have look at this honesty test. This is
a really interesting one because this is where the recruits
(04:10):
are required to share a moment about their life. It's
got to be raw, it's got to be personal, and
it's got to be honest. I think it's an opportunity
to earn trust from me fellow recruits. How do you
think about what do you remember from you doing it?
And also to what you saw in this episode, I
think we.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Talk about a lot the camaraderie and how important it
is for the relationships with the recruits and how it
can help you get to the end. And in our season,
this day was a real turning point because I felt
the most connected to the other recruits. I felt like
I trusted them, I felt like I had their back,
they had mine, and then all of a sudden, you
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have this confidence to go on and do the other
tasks ahead. So from my perspective, it was really really important.
I think this group they needed that. Yeah, I think
they really needed that because we've touched on the fact
that we haven't really seen much of a real group dynamic,
and I think that for the first time they really
(05:11):
got to see the you know, it humanizes them, so
really you get to see their vulnerability, and that really
does make them human and you can relate to them
on a whole other level. I just think it's so
important with a group like this.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It does it impacts the way you see the fellow
recruits for the rest of the course. There's no doubt
about it. And like I say, I think it's important
that they had it for me. It lends to that
point of trust because with some recruits, they'll tell you
what they think is their most shameful moment or something,
and you just don't believe it. Just go, I don't
reckon that's the most shameful thing that you could share,
which means that if it's not, then you're not being truthful.
(05:45):
And if you're not being truthful, I can't trust you.
So so it's saw something new in this episode as well,
which was the survival test. This is where the recruits
in groups had to check off three key wilderness survival techniques,
our shelter, fire, and clean water. Did you like this
new challenge?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I loved the idea of it. I loved it so
much that I think I wanted more of it. I
think I know that the whole idea was a race,
but I would have loved to have seen it covered
over a longer distance or even an overnight stay. I
know they had to make the shelter, like actually make
them stay in the shelter overnight, that sort of stuff.
(06:23):
So yeah, probably just disappointed that it wasn't that long.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think more of it would
have been great. And for whatever reason, it was a
short race. It was only like an hour. I think
they had to complete all the three tasks. But I
did enjoy watching Lockie Captain fire, which was my old
time not be able to get the fire going, so
that was interesting to watch. Another thing that I did
notice too, which is Anna and Darius they you know,
(06:46):
they had to find fresh water. Fresh Water is absolutely
the first thing to tick off. Did you see the
puddle of water that they pulled that water from.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I was concerned. I didn't even think it was water.
It was dirty.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The funny is condoms are designed to contain revolting fluids anyway,
but that was another level and they got chewed out
for it, and as a result, they failed that test
as well, and.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
It was disappointing because they were flying. With everything else
they were, they worked really well together. I think the
communication was good. I think they were you know, really
confident with everything they were flying. But it's not about
being the front. It's about doing it right and doing
it the first time and thinking about it and thinking
it through. And I think that the other two teams
(07:32):
I was quite impressed. Actually, I don't know. They were
a bit slower, but they got the gist of it,
and you know, they passed the task.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
There was a nighttime beasting and midnight beasting. This is
a tough one when you get called out of bed
and you've just starting to go into physical recovery and
then you bang, you're out on the parade square. This
is a brutal beasting. What do you give this out
of a ten for a beasting?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I think anything during the night is up there is
like past an eight. I'm going to give this one
a nine.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I just remember how tough. Even when you're prepared, you
could be in all of your clothes asleep and still
be absolutely shocked to be woken up in the middle
of the night, not to mention be pushed your absolute brink.
So I've got to put it up there as yeah,
nine or ten, Yeah about you.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I mean, having a beasting in the eye is one thing.
But they sprayed them with water, they made them wet,
and as soon as it's wet, it's worse. It's just
I reckon that is possibly one of the most brutal
beastings that we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And the ice the ice boats new additions.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, that's tough. It's really really tough. But Anna Heinrich,
she had the option to bail out, but of course
she would have taken Lockey with her, which I think
in some ways we're all hoping she would ring the bell,
ring the bell three times and that's two people off.
Massive credit to her for pushing herself through that and
not copping out on a fellow recruit.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, I agree. I think it reflects to their world
in a way. You're all in it together, and I
think that you can't really leave someone behind. And if
it wasn't for Locke, in a sense, she probably would
have given up on herself a lot sooner. But she's
exceeded her own expectations, Like she's stayed in there because
of Lockee and realize, you know, she is capable and
(09:16):
pushed herself even further.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So Yeah, and I do think that you know his
credit as well. He seemed to keep her in the game,
not for his own benefit. He looked like he generally
wanted her to get through it as well, and it
did absolutely brilliantly, And no doubt we'll talk to her
very shortly about that as she comes up as a
guest on SAS Australia Debrief. But up next, Jeff Hugle,
the man himself, will join us from Singapore for a
(09:38):
chat about his time on Essays Australia. Well, it's known
for his dominance over the years in the swimming pool,
but he's definitely not a fish out of water when
it comes to SAS Australia. Jeff Hugl joins us now
on the debrief. Jeff, mate, well done, very well done.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, thanks Mary, so good to have you.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Thanks Sabrina. It's jeez mate, like nothing like you can
be prepared for it that. I don't think anything actually
prepares you for actually being there. And I mean it
hats off to you guys. I mean you guys did
the first season and you know, watching you guys, it
was you know, you do sit back at times and
you just go, oh geez that, you know, I reckon
I could do that, I reckon do this, but it's
(10:24):
the the part that the I guess the viewers don't
see at home. Yeah, it's the twenty hours of recording
and all of the different personalities. It just gets cut
up and snipped and put into ninety minutes. And you know,
it's the beastings before this, before the tasks. The Beastings
are for the task. It's the it's the you know,
(10:44):
getting absolutely brated. It's the it's the environment that pressure
everything else that that people just underestimate.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's honestly, like, it's been really nice watching this season.
I feel like this group's really taken it on with
both hands. It's been so nice watching you I just
have to point out, you know, going through retirement and
that whole process coming back and doing this shows this
almost felt like coming out of retirement.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Oh yeah, for sure. Like my mind hadn't been focused
until we went into that camp, and I think, you know,
like as I said, nothing can prepare for it. I mean,
obviously I wasn't in the most ideal shape going into it.
I think one of the challenges that I really struggled
with being in Singapore and then we went through massive lockdown,
(11:30):
so all the gyms were shut. You know, I found
it really hard to motivate myself to go and exercise
and do that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And then if there were rumors that you only did
it as Australia as a cheap weight loss program, you
did the sum so you looked at Jenny Craig and
how much that was going to offer you versus how
much Essays I was going to give you anyone, you
know what, they've got fifty dollars more, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I mate, ten kilos, ten kilos over two weeks, and
I'm like, it's rapid and it's but I tried to
explain to people as well, we hate really well, that's right.
The quality, the quality of the food was really really good.
The challenge is you only got three meals a day.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, and one of them's porridge.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah yeah, exactly, porridge and a boiled egg.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Jeff. I want to know, mate, because you seem to
go in there with a great intent, and I reckon,
you're one of those people walks away from essays with
a lifelong learned lesson. You know, where there's something that
matter what your background is. You know, you've performed at
the highest level an Olympic level. But is there something
that you've learned about yourself?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, it's it's what's what's been really nice is that,
as I've discussed and you guys know, I went through
a pretty dark period and a hard challenge throughout my
whole life there, and you know, coming onto the show,
it actually gave me an opportunity to just close that chapter, yeah,
you know, and really sort of just push it on
and say, you know what, I've dealt with it. I'm
(12:54):
in this spot now. I'm quite comfortable with where I am.
I'm quite happy with where my life is at the moment,
and I'm actually ready to just move forward and really
just shut that book on that chapter and just really
attack the next phase of my life.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And you definitely have thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, No, it's been good. It's uh, you know, probably
not the ideal situation to go out there and get.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Screened, honestly. I mean you spoke about the fact that
you can't, like you can't prepare for a course like this.
I think people think they can and then they get
on it and realize, oh shit, this is the real deal.
Was there anything that you that sort of surprised you
(13:34):
and you didn't quite expect, did it stump you when
you're on there, you.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Know whatever, whatever, you sort of think that.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's not never, it is never that.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Never, and you're so far from what you think it is, right,
That's the other part that's really funny as well.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
You know, almost trips you up. If anything.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I think that you were a little bit like a
bit of a deer in the headlights at the start.
But then you did shut up up by physically and mentally,
you know, probably like maybe day six, day seven, you
started to really you know, perk up a little bit
because you're in the game. But it was ultimately you
know the physicality of that beach beasting and you know
Sad's and I know how incredibly tough that is, and
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how you know how long it actually goes for versus
how long is seen it goes for ever and on
TV's like thirty seconds, and you're just going, this is
the worst. You got sand in every crack in the
crevice of your body, and it just it's at that
point where you've got to go, well, I'm at my
limit now. And you did it. Really you're very very
(14:35):
quick to it. We didn't see a deterioration of Jeff Hugel.
We saw a rapid decision where you knew that you
were at your line was done, and you made the decision.
Had you at any stage through the course, I know
there was one moment where you talked, you're running up
a hill and you were struggling, You're talking about taking
your armband off. Was there a few moments throughout the
course where you had that doubt where you thought, I'm
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going to hand in my armband. Were they the only
two moments that we ever saw and that ever occurred.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think, honestly, I think everyone has the moment, and
that's not I never had that moment. Animal, a dead
set animal, right, like I'm not wired properly, hey, like
all of us, Right, that's because honestly, like I mean,
who would put themselves through that pain? It's I remember
(15:21):
right at the start, like so we got off the boat.
We're all sitting there on that first scene and we
got off the boat and you've just sort of like
you've got this anticipation, right, and you know, we get
off and we run on the beach and we get
lit up and then we're all standing there and you know,
even right from the first first scene after we finished
the fire scene. What they didn't show is this beasting
session that we copped, right. I don't know if any
(15:44):
of the other contestants were spoken about it, but it
was just like boom, right, new maggots are in our world.
Now you're in it now, right, Each crawls down to
the water, each crawls back, burpees.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
And it doesn't stop.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And then as you doing the flogging and you're doing
these berthies, they're going right every time you jump shout
out I am a wanker.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
So you know I'm a wak.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Humi, right, But I also get that that they're trying
to just get into your head, right, because they just
want to break you down. And it's there are the
times where you sit back and you just go what
am I doing here?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
What am I doing this?
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I should I have my armbanded already.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And then and then it's the other times, like you're
doing the beastings, and then they start, you know, they're
playing good cop, bad cop, and then one of them
will start going number five. You've done a good job.
You don't have to be here anymore. Look, why don't
you just pack it up? You know, there's a nice
warm bed in there for you. There's a nice hot shower,
you can have a nice steak. Take easy, mate, you've
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done your job. Yeah, shut up, like I just want
to get on with it, right, It's just yeah, it's
a totally different world altogether. It's mate. You know, you
don't have to be the fastest, you don't have to
be the strongest. Just get through it, right, So you know,
I laugh about it. I even laugh about it now, right.
It's I remember telling my mates after you do the course,
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they're all going, oh, look, how was it? And you
explained it to them and then you sort of finished
the sentence for you know, but I do it again
tomorrow if I had the opportunity, right.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Not me, No way.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
How many comfortable back to show?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Is sneaking.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Nuts just to go back a bit, Jeff. Everything's designed
for you to fail. It's not designed for you to pass,
And it's about how you deal with the failures, right,
and how you kind of recover from them. And you
had some pretty good on that course. So I'm not
going to lie which one affected you the most? Which
was the one that you found Like, man, I've really
got I've got to bounce back from this fast.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, that's a good question. I think the hostage situation
mark where it was in the back of the car
and I had the duct tape still around my feet.
Yeah yeah, I was like, I smashed you out of
the ones in my hands pretty quick. But when we did,
when Clint gave us the overview of how this is
how you get out if your feed a duct tape
and you just dropped to the ground and do whatever,
my thinking was, all right, well, when the car stops,
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I'll jump out, I'll drop down, it'll break the tape
and I'll be able to run off. Never in the
boot was I sitting there going why don't you just
use your hands to untie the tape?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Jeff, Mate, I'll say this, you did better on that
course than I thought you would at the start. You
did an incredible job. You got really really deep into
the course and no doubt you're one of those people
like I said, you got something out of as well.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Mate.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
It was an absolute pleasure to see you perform on
that show, and we thank you very much for coming
on the debrief and having your chat to us about
your time on SS Australia.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, wonderful guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Thanks Jeff.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
The final days a selection are well and truly here
and focus was the focal point for episode eleven seven.
Recruits are mating there emotionally and physically at their breaking point.
From here, the slightest mistake could be, what does you
in Let's get straight into the cat crawl race SAPs,
great test, really good.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I loved this, to be honest, I loved it when
we did it, but this one's this is on steroids.
How long was it the race as well? I love
the race initiative. I think that's awesome, especially because you
can take so long in that rope if you wanted to,
and it just adds another element to get yourself going.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, it's an incredible chance because I like on TV
it might be a little bit I think it might
look a little softer than it needs. But there's three
really key elements here. Is that Number one, it's actually
very uncomfortable being on the rope, as we'll discuss shortly.
Two to get across it is quite physical. It is
actually quite you know, you have to exert a lot
of energy and you've got to have a lot of strength.
But number three It's the most critical part is doing
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the technique properly with focus focus, focus, focus, because if
you don't, you'll just fall straight off the rope. So
you've got to do it and pace that and know
how to get across as quickly as you can, but
stay focused enough to keep your balance.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, I think that's the huge one. Is actually a
lot harder than what people think. To stay on the rope,
you have to pretty much keep your eye on the
rope the entire time. As soon as you move your eyes,
it's pretty hard to stay balanced. So props to all
of them for getting through. I think only maybe a
couple fell off.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
So yeah, Well, Locke and Daris was an interesting challenge
I thought as well. I think people would have been
hoping that Darius would win, not to beat Lockeye as
much as to have a win for Darius. I felt
like he needed to have a win there.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, I agree. They told him that they were going
to get cut quite soon, so that would have been
in the back of their mind. To be honest, it
would have been in the back of everybody's mind. But
I think he would have known that he really needed
to show something, and you know, they gave him a
second chance, which I'm glad they did, but man, that
second chance would be weighing on him. He would know
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that this is his last opportunity and there'd be a
lot of pressure he you know, he came out on
the other side with that second chance, so I'm glad
he took it.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
As you know, I'm a big fan and so are
you of Melissa wou But this is one of the
best performances of any task I've seen in any series
where somebody's just gone in and looked like they had
like it's their day job. Melissa Wood, where as you
now know, I call her off the whoop she is
in weapon that one. She really is just straight across
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that rope and the focus. What I loved was again
that focus. Her head was down on the rope where
they told her to be. I was out in front
and just straight across that line. I was blown away.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I am so impressed. I didn't think that she could
translate her day job experience being a diver, and in
that task I saw it. I saw everything that she
is good at the highest level in the world.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
She would have very very much impressed the ds. They
would have seen that and they were you know, they
said that they were impressed by it, but they'll remember
that when it gets to the pointy end that's going
to come up. Somebody that I wanted to do well
was Millie. She she had little trouble on the rope though,
because as I said, it can be quite uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Kind of Number fifteen, Millie is behind.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Ah, you vagina suffering from the burn of the road.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
There. You did enjoy one thing about that, did you?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
My vagina bone noise on fire?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
All right, like burning, So that's why you're making noises? Yeah,
quoted my vagina bone was on fire.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It just sounds funny, but I know what she means. Yeah,
you've been there, you've been there, the vagina bone mereric.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah. Yeah, here's the audio of me burning my vagina bone. Oh,
that's it.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You're making them faces.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's the bull star.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It's absolutely shredded by nuts. Hey, ut out number ten.
Do you think this is fucking a joke? I'm actually
looking looking forward to catching up with Melli one day,
having a beer and swapping burnt vagina stories. So all right, well,
a bit of a change of topic. The messages from
(23:13):
home were received again for the recruit Sabs.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, and I've been wanting to ask you this, Mez.
In our season, we were forced to watch the home messages.
They just clicked play and then off they went and
we started watching. So I wonder, if given the choice,
would you have watched yours?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I don't think I would have. I reckon I would
have walked out. I don't reckon I would have elected
to watch it. I reckon I would have been too focused.
What about you?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Would you have watched it? I think I would have.
I know that if it was my partner, it wouldn't
have been something that would have made me feel like
I needed to leave, more so a reason to stay.
So I think I would have still.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, look, I don't know. To be honest, I think
I just would have carried on. I was pretty focused,
but it certainly didn't do me any harm. If anything,
it just gave me, you know, fire out. I think
that's what happens to you either get fuel or you
get fail from those home messages, because they're either going
to make you or break you. For me, seeing my family,
seeing my children talking to me, I was just like,
I am going to go out of this room, and
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crush it. I'm ready to go now. It gave me
what I needed, and I think you've probably got the
same from your message as well.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, I think you can harness that. And to be honest,
I don't think there's a right or wrong way of
doing this. I think it's a very individual process of
knowing what the task is at hand and knowing if
you can handle it or not. I think maybe some
people feel like they had to watch it, but as
you know, some of the discs even pointed out like
(24:38):
some of them wouldn't have done it, and they probably
didn't in the in real reality when they were out
on you know, on tasks in real life and they
had messages from home. So it can really fuel you
and help you, and I hope that that only does
that for the recruits. Now.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, I think Anna probably would have been one person
who shouldn't have had a look at those messages. But
what was interesting, because you know, you can't help but
be emotionally changed by But what I found very fascinating,
I reckon everybody was watching was Lockeye's reaction just seeing
that message from home from his partner, and you know,
(25:14):
he got called out from it. It just it just
didn't ring true to me. It didn't it didn't feel right.
Let's have a listen to some audio from that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
He won't show any emotion, and if he does, it
be fake tears.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Interesting.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I can't remember the last time I had a good cry.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
He's already crying fucking health.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Hey baby, it's too like crazy.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
They're not real tears. I'm not convinced.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It's pretty much straight.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
He wrote down before think he's already in that position,
has been acting as all ways.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I don't have emotions. I can't even think of a
freaking emotion. Don't talk about emotions a man.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I feel like I'm so conflicted because he were lockeye.
He's so capable, he's so capable of everything, but I
just feel he keeps on shooting himself in the foot.
And to be honest, the massive red flag for me
is the fact that Ant pointed out before they were
even going to watch it, that there's a huge chance
(26:33):
that he was going to fake it. And that's in
my eyes, that's it, like he even guessed that you
weren't going to be truthful. Yep, I don't think he's
going to be able to turn that around in their eyes.
And it's it's disappointing because in that circumstance, you don't
have to be emotional, like you don't if that's not
your thing or whatever, like you don't have to. But
(26:55):
he just constantly does things that it's not true.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's not what they He's thinking too much about what's
on TV and not about what's actually in the environment.
And he's in don't you reckon, Like I mean, he's
fake teared because that's what he thinks. They want to
see what the viewer wants to see. What's going It's
not the way to do it. Like you said, you
react to it however you react to it. But a
massive call out from the DS. And here's the thing.
(27:19):
And if you think you're going to go on that
course and you're going to outsmart those four men, you
are absolutely fooling yourself. Because they see everything and they
know it all. They've seen it all before from previous
selection courses in real life and on the show. You're
not going to get to pass them. And I reckon that.
He may have got through this episode, but I will
(27:41):
stand by what I said at the start of the season.
He will not pass selection. I will be absolutely gobsmacked
if they pick him at the end.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah, I agree, And it sounds like we keep on
his back and the DS are on his back and
whatever else. But being on that course and what that's like,
and you've called it here and I'll say it as well.
He's not going to pass selection. He won't And if
he does, I will be so socked.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I reckon, after his missus sees that video, he'll be
likeking to pass selection at home.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, well, you're not wrong, You're not wrong, Georgie. My
missus she saw that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
She just go You fake cried me, You fake cried me.
You can go and live in the car. All right.
Let's talk about the culling, Colleen, you and I predicted
that this was going to happen. It comes along. It's
brutal for the first time, Sabs. I reckon that no
one in that course, not one recruit, thought they were
one hundred percent safe. I reckon there would have been
(28:44):
a few people reckoning they were probably a good chance.
I reckon Melissa will would have thought she was pretty good.
I think Rihanna would have thought she was pretty good.
I think the rest of them would have definitely had
a cloud of doubt over themselves, particularly Lucky. He was
absolutely petrified. And you could see he could read it
in the accommodation, couldn't. You could see them sweating before
they went out there.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah's it was all over their faces, you know, even
just what they weren't saying. You know, they were very
quiet in the accommodation before.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And I'm not surprised with how the culling ended. I
thought that Eboney needed to go. I think that as
much as she had shown that she has grit and determination,
it's not enough in this course. And she wasn't the
thinking soldier that they would have liked. Lockie got given
a second chance. I think, to be honest, it's probably
his last chance.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Definitely, I agree with it. I think Ebony good on her.
She did well to there. She did not quit, and
I love the fact that she didn't quit. And even
though she had all of those failures and they kept
on mounting up, she still went all the way there.
Good on her so well under her there Lockey skin
of his teeth, I would have cut him. I would
have cut him for sure. But the one that was
obviously disappointing, but also to not that surprising was Anna
(29:57):
handing in her arm back. She knew she was done
good on it for not letting anybody down in the
process at all. But I just feel like saying, you know,
so many people be watching, going just you can do this,
you will do this. Just have some faith. But she
in the end she handed.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
In her arm bit. I think it proves that you know,
no matter what, if you don't believe in yourself and
you can't see yourself at the end, you won't get there. Yeah,
that is genuinely all she was missing with self belief.
She had the full package. She was smashing tasks, she
was a great team player, she was smart, she was
(30:33):
sinking away through things, she was smashing it. But the
one thing she was missing was that belief that she
actually could do it. Yeah, talking her way out of
it almost in the last couple of days, and the
crack was there, and I saw it coming. It's a shame,
but I did see it coming.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
It's funny. You know, the fatigue and the mounting fatigue,
and you know, lack of sleep, lack of food, all
of those start to plan and if you do have
a weak spot. That's what it does, is bose is
that week spot that is already there, and that was
her lack of self belief and eventually, you know, with
being worn down, it just makes it.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Harder to fight it back.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I think she did well to fight it back, but
full credit to her, no matter what way she exided,
she's still incredible all the way through. And Ana Heinrich
joins us up next to chat about her time on
the debrief. Well from the jump she was a front
runner and didn't stop impressing us the entire way, but
(31:32):
it just wasn't meant to be handing in the armband
just a few days from the final selection. Anna Heinrich,
thank you so much for joining us on the debrief,
and well bloody done to you. That was wicked.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
I thank you. I can't believe it's over.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Obviously, just watching back, I'm like, it's so nice to
see what we went through and almost have a record
of it so I can show my little girl and
even just look back on it. It's just, yeah, it
was a whirlwind. So I'm glad to be sitting here
on a nice couch.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I'm so glad that we're talking to you because we
just loved watching you and building that confidence as you
were going on in the course, and in my eyes,
you were a standout from the beginning the moment you
jumped off that boat onto the helicopter with full fly,
with confidence. I've never seen anyone go so quick. Did
you realize you were going to do as well as
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you did?
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Like even when I signed up for this show, I thought,
I was like, if I can just make it to
maybe three or four days, And I was speaking to
Simone and she's like, oh no, if we just make
it halfway, we'll be fine.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
I'm like, Simone, it's not going to be that easy
to make Have you seen the show. It's actually really hard, Simon.
But no, I honestly did not think I was going
to do well.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I had four weeks to train, and I just listened
to my husband and I did as much preparation as
I possibly could in that four weeks.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
So I watch every episode. I watched the UK versions.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I tried to work out, maybe there's going to be
a mold this time, like all these things that could
possibly go on in there. I tried to predict, and
then I worked out as soon as I got in there.
You just can't predict anything at all. But it was
really just about the training I did. I did both
physical and mental, so like I had to work and
I did things that were really specific. So every show,
(33:24):
if I saw something like the ladder under the helicopter,
I was like, Okay, we've got to work.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
I didn't say this, my husband said this. He was like, Okay,
we've got to go to the monkey bars.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
So I went to see the kid's monkey bars and
the rest was just kind of mimicking what we saw
on there. So we did the ice bars and I've
got footage of me coming out. Him asked me a question,
he goes, what's your daughter's birthdate?
Speaker 6 (33:44):
And I got it wrong. I was like, oh my god,
I want.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
To say that.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, maybe don't show your door to that. Maybe just
show awesome stuff on the TV. What about when you
say you know mental preparation as well, because physically you're
very capable. We'll really impressed when in the Obstacle course
you actually outpaced Barry and you were doing really really
well physically, you looked the goods. Mentally, what preparation did
you undertake for the show.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Yeah, so physically I thought I was not that I
was okay because leading up to that I had been
just pushing my little girl around in the pram. So
like that was before the four weeks, it was like
that was pretty much it.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
And then it was like, okay, I had to like
switch something on.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
But mentally was probably the biggest barrier, and that was
for me. I was like, okay, how can I change
my mindset with him four weeks? So I listened to
all ants audiobooks, I think that was three or four,
and then I also listened to David Goggins and I
every time would be traveling in the car or anything,
I'd like turn.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
That on and it was just I didn't know how
I was going to go.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
But that I knew was a massive obstacle for me
because I always go into things thinking the worst and
hoping for the best.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
So I had to change it. But then every time
you do something, you kind of just.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Go we have to do it, So just do it
and just give it your best, and if you're going
to get through it, then that's great, and if you don't,
you know, it's okay as well. There was a lot
of things I didn't do or I didn't pass but
I was actually okay with that most of the time
up until we had to carry Melissa on the stretcher
and I was with Jeff and Darius, and that was
kind of my breaking point. I feel like that was
(35:20):
the first time I felt like I'd really failed, and
that's when it started getting in my head. And that's
kind of where I started kind of like I wasn't
in the game as much. And then I just tried
to hold on as long as I could, and then
there was a point where I was like, I can't,
I can't go on any longer.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Me and America been there and we can understand that
the mental warfare that goes on in the course we've
spoken about it, and we think that honestly, if you
just had complete full belief, you would have been right
there at the end. I think that was maybe just
the one thing is you were lacking in some days,
but you could achieve it and then you would do
(35:55):
a task and you would get that belief back for
a second, and then you'd jump back in the straw. You'd
actually smash it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And I also think for me not visualizing myself at
the end, and I don't think I ever did the
whole course. I think that I was on pay to
leave them, whereas I wish I did see myself at
the end, because then I would have been I probably
would have been there because all I had to do
was go to bed that night and try and get
up the next morning. But like, that's why everyone goes,
and it's not like anyone's really getting kicked out most
(36:23):
of the time. It's because then you just get to
that point and there's it's almost like no point of return.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You demonstrate it so many times that you are the
thinking soldier. You know that that's what they were looking for.
You were able to go onto a task and think
your way through it, and you know the really delicate
points of it. You took in the information, process the
information perfectly and then acted it out perfectly every time.
So it's kind of like for me, the bit of
a disconnect from somebody who thinks like that and can
(36:52):
think like that under massive pressure, and then somebody who
doesn't believe in themselves.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Oh yeah, that was one thing I knew I had,
so I could listen to an instruction actions and I
could go in and I could do it to the
best of my ability. Because also you know, like you
don't know what's to come, Like you're literally running from
one point to ant and then he tells you and
then the next minute you're in it. It's like you
almost don't think, but you've got to be thinking. So
it's kind of that comes from I guess the past,
(37:18):
from who I was, and some people want to like
be able to switch on really quickly and think like that,
but some people just maybe don't have it in them.
So I was lucky I had that in because that
definitely helped.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
When you're in it, it's a completely different thing. Yeah,
now that you're watching it back and knowing you had
only a few days left, do you regret handing it
in when you did?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Do you know what?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I was so happy when I left because I honestly
thought it was the end, Like I would have been, Like,
I just couldn't have been any happier. When I spoke
to my husband at the end, He's like, Oh, I
thought you'd be really upset. I'm like, no, Like I
literally felt like I had won it, And I do
feel like if i'd gotten to the end, I would
have been almost just as excited. Yeah, because I couldn't
(38:01):
believe that I even got to that point. So I
know a lot of people regret it and they think, oh,
I know now, in hindsight watching it back, I could
have probably gone further, but like to be honest, I
just didn't even think I would get past three or
four days. So to be there pretty much two days
out from the end, like I honestly couldn't be proud
of us.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
So it's almost like you got well you need it
from him, exactly.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
A lot of people would you do it again?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I was like, well, there's no point because everything that
I went in there for I got out of it.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
So yeah, that's exactly what we say, as much as
we would do it again in the sense that it
was a great experience. Once you've fulfilled your journey and
you fulfilled what you wanted, it's enough these chapters closed.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That's the thing. If you go into it with an
attitude that you're going to get something rewarding out of
it and be grateful. I think if you're grateful for
what you get from this course, you'll have something you
will carry no matter how far you go.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
You carry with that for the rest of your life,
for the.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Rest of your life and there's no doubt you've done that,
can I ask you? Because Sabs and I identified this
very early in the piece. We were like, this is
the girls series. They are crushing it. The blokes are
all over the place like them he like a bad breakfast,
and you.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Go, I would have traded anything to be in this season.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Like it's just looking at the boys going just shut
up and get on with it, and the girls are
definitely the powerhouse in this series and we loved it.
Did you feel like there was a bit more camaraderie
and bondom me between the women than the men or
even as a larger group.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
To be honest, we all got along really well. Like
I know there was the issue with Paul, but what
you didn't see is that we actually really all loved
each other. We all support each other, we were helping
each other.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
We had a.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Great group of people, and it was it was a
bit of a shame that we didn't get to see
that because you saw the other side of it.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
But like, we're all so close now, we're all.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Talking about everything and we're all so close, and that's
it is a real shame because no one saw that.
So you think that there's a lot of these issues
going on, but at the same time, it's like, you know,
like a quarter, if not like less than that gets shown.
So you might see some people talking to other people
and some people not talking to other people, but that's
not the case. Like we all spoke to each other.
(40:18):
We were, yeah, a really really great team. So we've
actually all again spoken about that, and it's a real
shame that no one's sort of seen that side.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I talk about it all the time. As much as
you try and explain the scenario to people, they will
never understand what you've just gone through. It's absolutely life changing. Yeah,
something I've got to point out though, because I've been
seeing this and we laugh about it. Bags on the feet,
you're in the accommodation. Who came up with that idea?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I even know, But like, so, we weren't allowed to
leave the inside area to go to the bathroom or
anywhere on the outside without shoes on.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
And you know how long it takes to put the
body in on.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
We couldn't do that every time we need to go
to the toilet or just like walk outside.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
I can't remember who it was.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
I don't know if it was ebony, but every single
person started wearing and like in the middle of the
night would slip those on and just like walk out.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
And it was such a true aussy thing right there.
So it made their own flipblots.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
So it made that a Haitian sack or something was
that it was. It looked like Haitian bag. It was.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
It was filled the sand with so because you know
how you have to have certain weight, so that's what
we use.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
We just found whatever we could.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
What was your favorite challenge on the show? I mean,
obviously the helicopter grab was pretty impressive, but what was
your most you know, the most rewarding element that you
got from that?
Speaker 4 (41:42):
So another thing not everybody well no one saw actually
because they didn't show it, but I believe it was
a week or so ago when the ladder under the
helicopter and everyone had failed that and I did it
with Darius, which was great, but then they actually told
me that I had to do it again and Melissa
who because there was odd odd numbers in the group,
(42:04):
so Melissa who was up. I was freaking out because
I know, like if one person drops, then the other
person fails. So I was like, I don't want to
disappoint Melissa. I've just done it. I'm like ecstatic, but
now I've got to do it with Melissa. And so
I was freaking out and I had blisters all over
my hands from it, and I did it for a
second time, and yeah, that was just one of those
(42:25):
moments I was like, oh my gosh, like, how did
I do that?
Speaker 6 (42:28):
I did it?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
That's awesome.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
The monkey bars of the children's playground that really helped.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
I just have to say this because I'm about to
become a mum myself, and watching you do this has
just been so inspiring because you know, you've not You've
had a child not long ago. You've had four weeks
to turn this around and get yourself prepared. You're not
really sure of what you were capable of, but you
(42:58):
stuck in there day in day out when the times
got tough, Like what were you thinking of? Because sometimes
when you're in there, you've just got a channel that
you've got to stay focused. But were there times where
you were really struggling? What were you thinking about? Were
you thinking about her?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
What we know?
Speaker 6 (43:15):
Like that was the one thing I didn't want to
think about. And it sounds harsh, but block it out, the.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Amount of times people brought her up to start a conversation.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
I was like, don't talk to every time you said
her name.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah, you had to block it out, and you just
had to kind of I don't even know what I did,
but I think I just brought it back to the
situation and said like in a way, like you've got
to remember this is a TV show, like you're doing
really well, and just keep going and sleep on it.
Don't think too far ahead. You haven't seen it a
whole lot. But I cried quite a lot, like Jeff Bugles.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Oh my god, on the Wall was a bear of
a man.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
Yeah, Oh it was horrendous.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
There was one night when Aunt came in and he said, Okay, everybody,
you're going to have a night off go to don't worry.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
I'm not going to come wake you up.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
And we were like, okay, cool, and I'd spoken to
someone Mike Philip Pursish said if he comes and does that,
he's actually going to let you sleep through, so like,
don't worry about it, just have a good night sleep.
I was like, great, this is my night to have
a good night sleep. And then you have Jeff, who
is snoring, and you've got Lockie who's snoring. I went
and sat outside the bathrooms and I boiled my eyes
out for like half an hour.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Oh god. You know you mentioned your family and your daughter,
and obviously you've done yourself very brab but also to
your family. But we we did mention. We've had to
chat about the messages from home and whether or not
people elect to watch them or not watch them. And
I think the DS and we too, believe that you
were probably somebody who shouldn't have watched it. You should
(44:44):
have just walked away. Because just to your point about saying,
you know, you didn't actually want it to be talking
about it.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Did it help you? Was it as?
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Did it seem to break you the way it did?
Speaker 6 (44:53):
I think it definitely broke me.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
I was very upset and it kind of you just
it's like a tough one. It's like I I wish
almost I didn't, But at the same time, I can
never imagine saying no to that, Like I just don't
know how that, Like I just yeah, it's going to
I'm either going to go one or of two ways.
Speaker 6 (45:09):
And yeah, I went the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Well I might have gone the wrong way there but seriously,
you went so well in so many other ways over
the course, and you press the hell out of all
of us everyone who's watching your grit and your determination.
I really like the way that you went about the tasks.
I think it was really smart and really strong. Yeah,
so you know you've always got that for you. Like
you say, if you go in there with the attitude
(45:33):
that you're going to take something away for life, you will,
and you've done that. So congratulations, well done on your
time on Essays Astray. You smashed it.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
We loved watching you and I loved it.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
Thank you. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Well.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Next week we'll find out who of the final remaining
five recruits.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Past the selection.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Will it be Melissa Whoop on the Weapon, Cocky Lucky,
Millie laser Face Boil doesn't say a word, Darius boyd
Rianna Krean. I couldn't think of her nickname for her,
so we just call Ariana SABS. If you had to
pick one or even two people to pass selection, who
would it be?
Speaker 3 (46:13):
I think it's too hard to pick one, So I'm
going to pick two. It's going to be Melissa Woo
and Rihanna Korean.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
I'm with her. I reckon what we're going to see
is a double female selection and I can't think of
it two more deserving recruits than those two, So I
hope they both pass selection. I think the other's done great.
I think Miller's done great. I think Darius has done great.
I think Locke is very capable, but eventually he's passed
on That show will catch up on you, So let's
(46:42):
fingers crossed for a double for the girl.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Say you the Girl, Let's go.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Thanks for listening. Our final episode drops next Wednesday, and
keep your eyes open on Friday for a bonus mini
episode where Sabrina and I interrogate one of the record
To make sure you don't miss a thing. Watch Says
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With only four days remaining on the SAS Australia selection course,
the days are beginning to feel longer, the challenge is harder,
and even talking to people around base camp becomes too
much of an exertion of valuable energy. This is your
SAS Australia debrief. I'm merk Watch, joined by Sabrina Frederick.
What keeps recruits going at this point?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
SAPs?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I think at this point it's very much the confidence
building that you've had from the previous tasks, and I
think also knowing your why, like why you're actually on
this course that's going to serve you in the next
few days. Whilst the course is you know, getting to
its peak, knowing that there's not long.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Left absolutely and we're starting to see some really good
people drift off the course. Coming up, we will speak
to one of those people, Jeff Hugil, about his experience
on SAS Australia, and later we'll discuss the culling that
took place and give our thoughts on if we think
the DS made the right call. We did predict it,
but did we predict the right recruits? Yes, we did.
Spoiler alert whatever. Heinrich will be dropping by for a
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chat as well. Lots of good stuff to dissect on
this week's debrief, let's dive into it. The recruits have
reached day ten and it was all about resilience. This
is the big one for me, Sabs. When I saw
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that theme, I knew the recruits were in for a
massive day of pain and looking around the base camp
you could see that they're battered and bruised. And when
I say bruised, how was the bruise we saw on Ebony.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
She's shown she's tough, she's got a bruise and she's
got no hair now to.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Mas.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
The first task of the episode was one we're very
very familiar with the surf immersion. We did this on
day five and it was well, let's just say it's fucked.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yes, that's a bit.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
How much harder would this have been at this point
for them?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So in selection, Yeah, that's a good point. That's a
really good thing because I think that this would definitely
be a lot tougher. People can't underestimate the weight that
you're carrying. When you're wet and your pockets are full
of sand, and your boots are wet and they're full
of sand. Everything is just that much harder. And it's
I think it's a real credit that people, you know,
gave it a real crack because it was brutal.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So yeah, that combination together the surf emersion plus the
beasting on the sand, it's it's actually one that would
take a lot of people, definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And you know, the funny thing is is that it's
not necessarily people who have got a natural water nature
they're going to do well in the water. There's it's
the combination of things. For me personally, when we did
the surf mission, being in the water was the easy part.
I looked forward for being to going in the water.
I know that sounds insane.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I actually agree with you. I agree with you because
it's almost like you take the break from the besting.
It almost becomes the easier element, yep to it.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, but for other people, as you know, like other
people get in the water and they get the panics.
Yeah they might be familiar with water, but they can
still get the panic in the water because they're worried about,
you know, taking a mouthful. But I loved it. It was like,
just get me back in that water.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Just no more back anything but the best thing.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Please hated it. The surfer mission is brutal, and as
I said, like you know, even people who are familiar
with water can still get worn down. We saw Jeff
Hugel hand in his number. Pretty devastating, wasn't it was
gutting to see the big man go.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, it was. It wasn't really a surprise. You could
tell physically he was probably one of the weakest at
the back, probably got to a point where it was
just his time. But I've loved watching him on that
and to be honest, I think he blossomed. I think
he at the start he was a bit you know,
deer in the headlines, and I think he really excelled
in those last few days, so I think he can
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walk away with his head held high.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Absolutely. The only thing let him down was his cardio ability.
His fitness dropped him off. And you know what, full
respect to somebody who knows that they're done and doesn't
muck around and drag anybody else down. He just goes
bang done, thank you very much, and was extremely grateful.
We'll be talking to Jeff a little later in the podcast,
but let's have look at this honesty test. This is
a really interesting one because this is where the recruits
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are required to share a moment about their life. It's
got to be raw, it's got to be personal, and
it's got to be honest. I think it's an opportunity
to earn trust from me fellow recruits. How do you
think about what do you remember from you doing it?
And also to what you saw in this episode, I
think we.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Talk about a lot the camaraderie and how important it
is for the relationships with the recruits and how it
can help you get to the end. And in our season,
this day was a real turning point because I felt
the most connected to the other recruits. I felt like
I trusted them, I felt like I had their back,
they had mine, and then all of a sudden, you
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have this confidence to go on and do the other
tasks ahead. So from my perspective, it was really really important.
I think this group they needed that. Yeah, I think
they really needed that because we've touched on the fact
that we haven't really seen much of a real group dynamic,
and I think that for the first time they really
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got to see the you know, it humanizes them, so
really you get to see their vulnerability, and that really
does make them human and you can relate to them
on a whole other level. I just think it's so
important with a group like this.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It does it impacts the way you see the fellow
recruits for the rest of the course. There's no doubt
about it. And like I say, I think it's important
that they had it for me. It lends to that
point of trust because with some recruits, they'll tell you
what they think is their most shameful moment or something,
and you just don't believe it. Just go, I don't
reckon that's the most shameful thing that you could share,
which means that if it's not, then you're not being truthful.
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And if you're not being truthful, I can't trust you.
So so it's saw something new in this episode as well,
which was the survival test. This is where the recruits
in groups had to check off three key wilderness survival techniques,
our shelter, fire, and clean water. Did you like this
new challenge?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I loved the idea of it. I loved it so
much that I think I wanted more of it. I
think I know that the whole idea was a race,
but I would have loved to have seen it covered
over a longer distance or even an overnight stay. I
know they had to make the shelter, like actually make
them stay in the shelter overnight, that sort of stuff.
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So yeah, probably just disappointed that it wasn't that long.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think more of it would
have been great. And for whatever reason, it was a
short race. It was only like an hour. I think
they had to complete all the three tasks. But I
did enjoy watching Lockie Captain fire, which was my old
time not be able to get the fire going, so
that was interesting to watch. Another thing that I did
notice too, which is Anna and Darius they you know,
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they had to find fresh water. Fresh Water is absolutely
the first thing to tick off. Did you see the
puddle of water that they pulled that water from.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I was concerned. I didn't even think it was water.
It was dirty.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The funny is condoms are designed to contain revolting fluids anyway,
but that was another level and they got chewed out
for it, and as a result, they failed that test
as well, and.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
It was disappointing because they were flying. With everything else
they were, they worked really well together. I think the
communication was good. I think they were you know, really
confident with everything they were flying. But it's not about
being the front. It's about doing it right and doing
it the first time and thinking about it and thinking
it through. And I think that the other two teams
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I was quite impressed. Actually, I don't know. They were
a bit slower, but they got the gist of it,
and you know, they passed the task.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
There was a nighttime beasting and midnight beasting. This is
a tough one when you get called out of bed
and you've just starting to go into physical recovery and
then you bang, you're out on the parade square. This
is a brutal beasting. What do you give this out
of a ten for a beasting?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I think anything during the night is up there is
like past an eight. I'm going to give this one
a nine.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I just remember how tough. Even when you're prepared, you
could be in all of your clothes asleep and still
be absolutely shocked to be woken up in the middle
of the night, not to mention be pushed your absolute brink.
So I've got to put it up there as yeah,
nine or ten, Yeah about you.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I mean, having a beasting in the eye is one thing.
But they sprayed them with water, they made them wet,
and as soon as it's wet, it's worse. It's just
I reckon that is possibly one of the most brutal
beastings that we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And the ice the ice boats new additions.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, that's tough. It's really really tough. But Anna Heinrich,
she had the option to bail out, but of course
she would have taken Lockey with her, which I think
in some ways we're all hoping she would ring the bell,
ring the bell three times and that's two people off.
Massive credit to her for pushing herself through that and
not copping out on a fellow recruit.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, I agree. I think it reflects to their world
in a way. You're all in it together, and I
think that you can't really leave someone behind. And if
it wasn't for Locke, in a sense, she probably would
have given up on herself a lot sooner. But she's
exceeded her own expectations, Like she's stayed in there because
of Lockee and realize, you know, she is capable and
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pushed herself even further.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So Yeah, and I do think that you know his
credit as well. He seemed to keep her in the game,
not for his own benefit. He looked like he generally
wanted her to get through it as well, and it
did absolutely brilliantly, And no doubt we'll talk to her
very shortly about that as she comes up as a
guest on SAS Australia Debrief. But up next, Jeff Hugle,
the man himself, will join us from Singapore for a
(09:38):
chat about his time on Essays Australia. Well, it's known
for his dominance over the years in the swimming pool,
but he's definitely not a fish out of water when
it comes to SAS Australia. Jeff Hugl joins us now
on the debrief. Jeff, mate, well done, very well done.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, thanks Mary, so good to have you.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Thanks Sabrina. It's jeez mate, like nothing like you can
be prepared for it that. I don't think anything actually
prepares you for actually being there. And I mean it
hats off to you guys. I mean you guys did
the first season and you know, watching you guys, it
was you know, you do sit back at times and
you just go, oh geez that, you know, I reckon
I could do that, I reckon do this, but it's
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the the part that the I guess the viewers don't
see at home. Yeah, it's the twenty hours of recording
and all of the different personalities. It just gets cut
up and snipped and put into ninety minutes. And you know,
it's the beastings before this, before the tasks. The Beastings
are for the task. It's the it's the you know,
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getting absolutely brated. It's the it's the environment that pressure
everything else that that people just underestimate.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's honestly, like, it's been really nice watching this season.
I feel like this group's really taken it on with
both hands. It's been so nice watching you I just
have to point out, you know, going through retirement and
that whole process coming back and doing this shows this
almost felt like coming out of retirement.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Oh yeah, for sure. Like my mind hadn't been focused
until we went into that camp, and I think, you know,
like as I said, nothing can prepare for it. I mean,
obviously I wasn't in the most ideal shape going into it.
I think one of the challenges that I really struggled
with being in Singapore and then we went through massive lockdown,
(11:30):
so all the gyms were shut. You know, I found
it really hard to motivate myself to go and exercise
and do that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And then if there were rumors that you only did
it as Australia as a cheap weight loss program, you
did the sum so you looked at Jenny Craig and
how much that was going to offer you versus how
much Essays I was going to give you anyone, you
know what, they've got fifty dollars more, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I mate, ten kilos, ten kilos over two weeks, and
I'm like, it's rapid and it's but I tried to
explain to people as well, we hate really well, that's right.
The quality, the quality of the food was really really good.
The challenge is you only got three meals a day.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, and one of them's porridge.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah yeah, exactly, porridge and a boiled egg.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Jeff. I want to know, mate, because you seem to
go in there with a great intent, and I reckon,
you're one of those people walks away from essays with
a lifelong learned lesson. You know, where there's something that
matter what your background is. You know, you've performed at
the highest level an Olympic level. But is there something
that you've learned about yourself?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, it's it's what's what's been really nice is that,
as I've discussed and you guys know, I went through
a pretty dark period and a hard challenge throughout my
whole life there, and you know, coming onto the show,
it actually gave me an opportunity to just close that chapter, yeah,
you know, and really sort of just push it on
and say, you know what, I've dealt with it. I'm
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in this spot now. I'm quite comfortable with where I am.
I'm quite happy with where my life is at the moment,
and I'm actually ready to just move forward and really
just shut that book on that chapter and just really
attack the next phase of my life.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And you definitely have thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, No, it's been good. It's uh, you know, probably
not the ideal situation to go out there and get.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Screened, honestly. I mean you spoke about the fact that
you can't, like you can't prepare for a course like this.
I think people think they can and then they get
on it and realize, oh shit, this is the real deal.
Was there anything that you that sort of surprised you
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and you didn't quite expect, did it stump you when
you're on there, you.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Know whatever, whatever, you sort of think that.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's not never, it is never that.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Never, and you're so far from what you think it is, right,
That's the other part that's really funny as well.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
You know, almost trips you up. If anything.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I think that you were a little bit like a
bit of a deer in the headlights at the start.
But then you did shut up up by physically and mentally,
you know, probably like maybe day six, day seven, you
started to really you know, perk up a little bit
because you're in the game. But it was ultimately you
know the physicality of that beach beasting and you know
Sad's and I know how incredibly tough that is, and
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how you know how long it actually goes for versus
how long is seen it goes for ever and on
TV's like thirty seconds, and you're just going, this is
the worst. You got sand in every crack in the
crevice of your body, and it just it's at that
point where you've got to go, well, I'm at my
limit now. And you did it. Really you're very very
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quick to it. We didn't see a deterioration of Jeff Hugel.
We saw a rapid decision where you knew that you
were at your line was done, and you made the decision.
Had you at any stage through the course, I know
there was one moment where you talked, you're running up
a hill and you were struggling, You're talking about taking
your armband off. Was there a few moments throughout the
course where you had that doubt where you thought, I'm
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going to hand in my armband. Were they the only
two moments that we ever saw and that ever occurred.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think, honestly, I think everyone has the moment, and
that's not I never had that moment. Animal, a dead
set animal, right, like I'm not wired properly, hey, like
all of us, Right, that's because honestly, like I mean,
who would put themselves through that pain? It's I remember
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right at the start, like so we got off the boat.
We're all sitting there on that first scene and we
got off the boat and you've just sort of like
you've got this anticipation, right, and you know, we get
off and we run on the beach and we get
lit up and then we're all standing there and you know,
even right from the first first scene after we finished
the fire scene. What they didn't show is this beasting
session that we copped, right. I don't know if any
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of the other contestants were spoken about it, but it
was just like boom, right, new maggots are in our world.
Now you're in it now, right, Each crawls down to
the water, each crawls back, burpees.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
And it doesn't stop.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And then as you doing the flogging and you're doing
these berthies, they're going right every time you jump shout
out I am a wanker.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
So you know I'm a wak.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Humi, right, But I also get that that they're trying
to just get into your head, right, because they just
want to break you down. And it's there are the
times where you sit back and you just go what
am I doing here?
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
What am I doing this?
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I should I have my armbanded already.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And then and then it's the other times, like you're
doing the beastings, and then they start, you know, they're
playing good cop, bad cop, and then one of them
will start going number five. You've done a good job.
You don't have to be here anymore. Look, why don't
you just pack it up? You know, there's a nice
warm bed in there for you. There's a nice hot shower,
you can have a nice steak. Take easy, mate, you've
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done your job. Yeah, shut up, like I just want
to get on with it, right, It's just yeah, it's
a totally different world altogether. It's mate. You know, you
don't have to be the fastest, you don't have to
be the strongest. Just get through it, right, So you know,
I laugh about it. I even laugh about it now, right.
It's I remember telling my mates after you do the course,
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they're all going, oh, look, how was it? And you
explained it to them and then you sort of finished
the sentence for you know, but I do it again
tomorrow if I had the opportunity, right.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Not me, No way.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
How many comfortable back to show?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Is sneaking.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Nuts just to go back a bit, Jeff. Everything's designed
for you to fail. It's not designed for you to pass,
And it's about how you deal with the failures, right,
and how you kind of recover from them. And you
had some pretty good on that course. So I'm not
going to lie which one affected you the most? Which
was the one that you found Like, man, I've really
got I've got to bounce back from this fast.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, that's a good question. I think the hostage situation
mark where it was in the back of the car
and I had the duct tape still around my feet.
Yeah yeah, I was like, I smashed you out of
the ones in my hands pretty quick. But when we did,
when Clint gave us the overview of how this is
how you get out if your feed a duct tape
and you just dropped to the ground and do whatever,
my thinking was, all right, well, when the car stops,
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I'll jump out, I'll drop down, it'll break the tape
and I'll be able to run off. Never in the
boot was I sitting there going why don't you just
use your hands to untie the tape?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Jeff, Mate, I'll say this, you did better on that
course than I thought you would at the start. You
did an incredible job. You got really really deep into
the course and no doubt you're one of those people
like I said, you got something out of as well.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Mate.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
It was an absolute pleasure to see you perform on
that show, and we thank you very much for coming
on the debrief and having your chat to us about
your time on SS Australia.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, wonderful guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Thanks Jeff.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
The final days a selection are well and truly here
and focus was the focal point for episode eleven seven.
Recruits are mating there emotionally and physically at their breaking point.
From here, the slightest mistake could be, what does you
in Let's get straight into the cat crawl race SAPs,
great test, really good.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I loved this, to be honest, I loved it when
we did it, but this one's this is on steroids.
How long was it the race as well? I love
the race initiative. I think that's awesome, especially because you
can take so long in that rope if you wanted to,
and it just adds another element to get yourself going.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, it's an incredible chance because I like on TV
it might be a little bit I think it might
look a little softer than it needs. But there's three
really key elements here. Is that Number one, it's actually
very uncomfortable being on the rope, as we'll discuss shortly.
Two to get across it is quite physical. It is
actually quite you know, you have to exert a lot
of energy and you've got to have a lot of strength.
But number three It's the most critical part is doing
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the technique properly with focus focus, focus, focus, because if
you don't, you'll just fall straight off the rope. So
you've got to do it and pace that and know
how to get across as quickly as you can, but
stay focused enough to keep your balance.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, I think that's the huge one. Is actually a
lot harder than what people think. To stay on the rope,
you have to pretty much keep your eye on the
rope the entire time. As soon as you move your eyes,
it's pretty hard to stay balanced. So props to all
of them for getting through. I think only maybe a
couple fell off.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
So yeah, Well, Locke and Daris was an interesting challenge
I thought as well. I think people would have been
hoping that Darius would win, not to beat Lockeye as
much as to have a win for Darius. I felt
like he needed to have a win there.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, I agree. They told him that they were going
to get cut quite soon, so that would have been
in the back of their mind. To be honest, it
would have been in the back of everybody's mind. But
I think he would have known that he really needed
to show something, and you know, they gave him a
second chance, which I'm glad they did, but man, that
second chance would be weighing on him. He would know
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that this is his last opportunity and there'd be a
lot of pressure he you know, he came out on
the other side with that second chance, so I'm glad
he took it.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
As you know, I'm a big fan and so are
you of Melissa wou But this is one of the
best performances of any task I've seen in any series
where somebody's just gone in and looked like they had
like it's their day job. Melissa Wood, where as you
now know, I call her off the whoop she is
in weapon that one. She really is just straight across
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that rope and the focus. What I loved was again
that focus. Her head was down on the rope where
they told her to be. I was out in front
and just straight across that line. I was blown away.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I am so impressed. I didn't think that she could
translate her day job experience being a diver, and in
that task I saw it. I saw everything that she
is good at the highest level in the world.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
She would have very very much impressed the ds. They
would have seen that and they were you know, they
said that they were impressed by it, but they'll remember
that when it gets to the pointy end that's going
to come up. Somebody that I wanted to do well
was Millie. She she had little trouble on the rope though,
because as I said, it can be quite uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Kind of Number fifteen, Millie is behind.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Ah, you vagina suffering from the burn of the road.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
There. You did enjoy one thing about that, did you?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
My vagina bone noise on fire?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
All right, like burning, So that's why you're making noises? Yeah,
quoted my vagina bone was on fire.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It just sounds funny, but I know what she means. Yeah,
you've been there, you've been there, the vagina bone mereric.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah. Yeah, here's the audio of me burning my vagina bone. Oh,
that's it.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
You're making them faces.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's the bull star.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It's absolutely shredded by nuts. Hey, ut out number ten.
Do you think this is fucking a joke? I'm actually
looking looking forward to catching up with Melli one day,
having a beer and swapping burnt vagina stories. So all right, well,
a bit of a change of topic. The messages from
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home were received again for the recruit Sabs.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, and I've been wanting to ask you this, Mez.
In our season, we were forced to watch the home messages.
They just clicked play and then off they went and
we started watching. So I wonder, if given the choice,
would you have watched yours?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I don't think I would have. I reckon I would
have walked out. I don't reckon I would have elected
to watch it. I reckon I would have been too focused.
What about you?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Would you have watched it? I think I would have.
I know that if it was my partner, it wouldn't
have been something that would have made me feel like
I needed to leave, more so a reason to stay.
So I think I would have still.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, look, I don't know. To be honest, I think
I just would have carried on. I was pretty focused,
but it certainly didn't do me any harm. If anything,
it just gave me, you know, fire out. I think
that's what happens to you either get fuel or you
get fail from those home messages, because they're either going
to make you or break you. For me, seeing my family,
seeing my children talking to me, I was just like,
I am going to go out of this room, and
(24:11):
crush it. I'm ready to go now. It gave me
what I needed, and I think you've probably got the
same from your message as well.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, I think you can harness that. And to be honest,
I don't think there's a right or wrong way of
doing this. I think it's a very individual process of
knowing what the task is at hand and knowing if
you can handle it or not. I think maybe some
people feel like they had to watch it, but as
you know, some of the discs even pointed out like
(24:38):
some of them wouldn't have done it, and they probably
didn't in the in real reality when they were out
on you know, on tasks in real life and they
had messages from home. So it can really fuel you
and help you, and I hope that that only does
that for the recruits. Now.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, I think Anna probably would have been one person
who shouldn't have had a look at those messages. But
what was interesting, because you know, you can't help but
be emotionally changed by But what I found very fascinating,
I reckon everybody was watching was Lockeye's reaction just seeing
that message from home from his partner, and you know,
(25:14):
he got called out from it. It just it just
didn't ring true to me. It didn't it didn't feel right.
Let's have a listen to some audio from that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
He won't show any emotion, and if he does, it
be fake tears.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Interesting.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
I can't remember the last time I had a good cry.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
He's already crying fucking health.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Hey baby, it's too like crazy.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
They're not real tears. I'm not convinced.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It's pretty much straight.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
He wrote down before think he's already in that position,
has been acting as all ways.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I don't have emotions. I can't even think of a
freaking emotion. Don't talk about emotions a man.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I feel like I'm so conflicted because he were lockeye.
He's so capable, he's so capable of everything, but I
just feel he keeps on shooting himself in the foot.
And to be honest, the massive red flag for me
is the fact that Ant pointed out before they were
even going to watch it, that there's a huge chance
(26:33):
that he was going to fake it. And that's in
my eyes, that's it, like he even guessed that you
weren't going to be truthful. Yep, I don't think he's
going to be able to turn that around in their eyes.
And it's it's disappointing because in that circumstance, you don't
have to be emotional, like you don't if that's not
your thing or whatever, like you don't have to. But
(26:55):
he just constantly does things that it's not true.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's not what they He's thinking too much about what's
on TV and not about what's actually in the environment.
And he's in don't you reckon, Like I mean, he's
fake teared because that's what he thinks. They want to
see what the viewer wants to see. What's going It's
not the way to do it. Like you said, you
react to it however you react to it. But a
massive call out from the DS. And here's the thing.
(27:19):
And if you think you're going to go on that
course and you're going to outsmart those four men, you
are absolutely fooling yourself. Because they see everything and they
know it all. They've seen it all before from previous
selection courses in real life and on the show. You're
not going to get to pass them. And I reckon that.
He may have got through this episode, but I will
(27:41):
stand by what I said at the start of the season.
He will not pass selection. I will be absolutely gobsmacked
if they pick him at the end.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah, I agree, And it sounds like we keep on
his back and the DS are on his back and
whatever else. But being on that course and what that's like,
and you've called it here and I'll say it as well.
He's not going to pass selection. He won't And if
he does, I will be so socked.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I reckon, after his missus sees that video, he'll be
likeking to pass selection at home.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, well, you're not wrong, You're not wrong, Georgie. My
missus she saw that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
She just go You fake cried me, You fake cried me.
You can go and live in the car. All right.
Let's talk about the culling, Colleen, you and I predicted
that this was going to happen. It comes along. It's
brutal for the first time, Sabs. I reckon that no
one in that course, not one recruit, thought they were
one hundred percent safe. I reckon there would have been
(28:44):
a few people reckoning they were probably a good chance.
I reckon Melissa will would have thought she was pretty good.
I think Rihanna would have thought she was pretty good.
I think the rest of them would have definitely had
a cloud of doubt over themselves, particularly Lucky. He was
absolutely petrified. And you could see he could read it
in the accommodation, couldn't. You could see them sweating before
they went out there.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah's it was all over their faces, you know, even
just what they weren't saying. You know, they were very
quiet in the accommodation before.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And I'm not surprised with how the culling ended. I
thought that Eboney needed to go. I think that as
much as she had shown that she has grit and determination,
it's not enough in this course. And she wasn't the
thinking soldier that they would have liked. Lockie got given
a second chance. I think, to be honest, it's probably
his last chance.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Definitely, I agree with it. I think Ebony good on her.
She did well to there. She did not quit, and
I love the fact that she didn't quit. And even
though she had all of those failures and they kept
on mounting up, she still went all the way there.
Good on her so well under her there Lockey skin
of his teeth, I would have cut him. I would
have cut him for sure. But the one that was
obviously disappointing, but also to not that surprising was Anna
(29:57):
handing in her arm back. She knew she was done
good on it for not letting anybody down in the
process at all. But I just feel like saying, you know,
so many people be watching, going just you can do this,
you will do this. Just have some faith. But she
in the end she handed.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
In her arm bit. I think it proves that you know,
no matter what, if you don't believe in yourself and
you can't see yourself at the end, you won't get there. Yeah,
that is genuinely all she was missing with self belief.
She had the full package. She was smashing tasks, she
was a great team player, she was smart, she was
(30:33):
sinking away through things, she was smashing it. But the
one thing she was missing was that belief that she
actually could do it. Yeah, talking her way out of
it almost in the last couple of days, and the
crack was there, and I saw it coming. It's a shame,
but I did see it coming.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
It's funny. You know, the fatigue and the mounting fatigue,
and you know, lack of sleep, lack of food, all
of those start to plan and if you do have
a weak spot. That's what it does, is bose is
that week spot that is already there, and that was
her lack of self belief and eventually, you know, with
being worn down, it just makes it.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Harder to fight it back.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I think she did well to fight it back, but
full credit to her, no matter what way she exided,
she's still incredible all the way through. And Ana Heinrich
joins us up next to chat about her time on
the debrief. Well from the jump she was a front
runner and didn't stop impressing us the entire way, but
(31:32):
it just wasn't meant to be handing in the armband
just a few days from the final selection. Anna Heinrich,
thank you so much for joining us on the debrief,
and well bloody done to you. That was wicked.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
I thank you. I can't believe it's over.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Obviously, just watching back, I'm like, it's so nice to
see what we went through and almost have a record
of it so I can show my little girl and
even just look back on it. It's just, yeah, it
was a whirlwind. So I'm glad to be sitting here
on a nice couch.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I'm so glad that we're talking to you because we
just loved watching you and building that confidence as you
were going on in the course, and in my eyes,
you were a standout from the beginning the moment you
jumped off that boat onto the helicopter with full fly,
with confidence. I've never seen anyone go so quick. Did
you realize you were going to do as well as
(32:25):
you did?
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Like even when I signed up for this show, I thought,
I was like, if I can just make it to
maybe three or four days, And I was speaking to
Simone and she's like, oh no, if we just make
it halfway, we'll be fine.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
I'm like, Simone, it's not going to be that easy
to make Have you seen the show. It's actually really hard, Simon.
But no, I honestly did not think I was going
to do well.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I had four weeks to train, and I just listened
to my husband and I did as much preparation as
I possibly could in that four weeks.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
So I watch every episode. I watched the UK versions.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I tried to work out, maybe there's going to be
a mold this time, like all these things that could
possibly go on in there. I tried to predict, and
then I worked out as soon as I got in there.
You just can't predict anything at all. But it was
really just about the training I did. I did both
physical and mental, so like I had to work and
I did things that were really specific. So every show,
(33:24):
if I saw something like the ladder under the helicopter,
I was like, Okay, we've got to work.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
I didn't say this, my husband said this. He was like, Okay,
we've got to go to the monkey bars.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
So I went to see the kid's monkey bars and
the rest was just kind of mimicking what we saw
on there. So we did the ice bars and I've
got footage of me coming out. Him asked me a question,
he goes, what's your daughter's birthdate?
Speaker 6 (33:44):
And I got it wrong. I was like, oh my god,
I want.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
To say that.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, maybe don't show your door to that. Maybe just
show awesome stuff on the TV. What about when you
say you know mental preparation as well, because physically you're
very capable. We'll really impressed when in the Obstacle course
you actually outpaced Barry and you were doing really really
well physically, you looked the goods. Mentally, what preparation did
you undertake for the show.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Yeah, so physically I thought I was not that I
was okay because leading up to that I had been
just pushing my little girl around in the pram. So
like that was before the four weeks, it was like
that was pretty much it.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
And then it was like, okay, I had to like
switch something on.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
But mentally was probably the biggest barrier, and that was
for me. I was like, okay, how can I change
my mindset with him four weeks? So I listened to
all ants audiobooks, I think that was three or four,
and then I also listened to David Goggins and I
every time would be traveling in the car or anything,
I'd like turn.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
That on and it was just I didn't know how
I was going to go.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
But that I knew was a massive obstacle for me
because I always go into things thinking the worst and
hoping for the best.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
So I had to change it. But then every time
you do something, you kind of just.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Go we have to do it, So just do it
and just give it your best, and if you're going
to get through it, then that's great, and if you don't,
you know, it's okay as well. There was a lot
of things I didn't do or I didn't pass but
I was actually okay with that most of the time
up until we had to carry Melissa on the stretcher
and I was with Jeff and Darius, and that was
kind of my breaking point. I feel like that was
(35:20):
the first time I felt like I'd really failed, and
that's when it started getting in my head. And that's
kind of where I started kind of like I wasn't
in the game as much. And then I just tried
to hold on as long as I could, and then
there was a point where I was like, I can't,
I can't go on any longer.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Me and America been there and we can understand that
the mental warfare that goes on in the course we've
spoken about it, and we think that honestly, if you
just had complete full belief, you would have been right
there at the end. I think that was maybe just
the one thing is you were lacking in some days,
but you could achieve it and then you would do
(35:55):
a task and you would get that belief back for
a second, and then you'd jump back in the straw. You'd
actually smash it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And I also think for me not visualizing myself at
the end, and I don't think I ever did the
whole course. I think that I was on pay to
leave them, whereas I wish I did see myself at
the end, because then I would have been I probably
would have been there because all I had to do
was go to bed that night and try and get
up the next morning. But like, that's why everyone goes,
and it's not like anyone's really getting kicked out most
(36:23):
of the time. It's because then you just get to
that point and there's it's almost like no point of return.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You demonstrate it so many times that you are the
thinking soldier. You know that that's what they were looking for.
You were able to go onto a task and think
your way through it, and you know the really delicate
points of it. You took in the information, process the
information perfectly and then acted it out perfectly every time.
So it's kind of like for me, the bit of
a disconnect from somebody who thinks like that and can
(36:52):
think like that under massive pressure, and then somebody who
doesn't believe in themselves.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Oh yeah, that was one thing I knew I had,
so I could listen to an instruction actions and I
could go in and I could do it to the
best of my ability. Because also you know, like you
don't know what's to come, Like you're literally running from
one point to ant and then he tells you and
then the next minute you're in it. It's like you
almost don't think, but you've got to be thinking. So
it's kind of that comes from I guess the past,
(37:18):
from who I was, and some people want to like
be able to switch on really quickly and think like that,
but some people just maybe don't have it in them.
So I was lucky I had that in because that
definitely helped.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
When you're in it, it's a completely different thing. Yeah,
now that you're watching it back and knowing you had
only a few days left, do you regret handing it
in when you did?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Do you know what?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I was so happy when I left because I honestly
thought it was the end, Like I would have been, Like,
I just couldn't have been any happier. When I spoke
to my husband at the end, He's like, Oh, I
thought you'd be really upset. I'm like, no, Like I
literally felt like I had won it, And I do
feel like if i'd gotten to the end, I would
have been almost just as excited. Yeah, because I couldn't
(38:01):
believe that I even got to that point. So I
know a lot of people regret it and they think, oh,
I know now, in hindsight watching it back, I could
have probably gone further, but like to be honest, I
just didn't even think I would get past three or
four days. So to be there pretty much two days
out from the end, like I honestly couldn't be proud
of us.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
So it's almost like you got well you need it
from him, exactly.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
A lot of people would you do it again?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I was like, well, there's no point because everything that
I went in there for I got out of it.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
So yeah, that's exactly what we say, as much as
we would do it again in the sense that it
was a great experience. Once you've fulfilled your journey and
you fulfilled what you wanted, it's enough these chapters closed.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That's the thing. If you go into it with an
attitude that you're going to get something rewarding out of
it and be grateful. I think if you're grateful for
what you get from this course, you'll have something you
will carry no matter how far you go.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
You carry with that for the rest of your life,
for the.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Rest of your life and there's no doubt you've done that,
can I ask you? Because Sabs and I identified this
very early in the piece. We were like, this is
the girls series. They are crushing it. The blokes are
all over the place like them he like a bad breakfast,
and you.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Go, I would have traded anything to be in this season.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Like it's just looking at the boys going just shut
up and get on with it, and the girls are
definitely the powerhouse in this series and we loved it.
Did you feel like there was a bit more camaraderie
and bondom me between the women than the men or
even as a larger group.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
To be honest, we all got along really well. Like
I know there was the issue with Paul, but what
you didn't see is that we actually really all loved
each other. We all support each other, we were helping
each other.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
We had a.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Great group of people, and it was it was a
bit of a shame that we didn't get to see
that because you saw the other side of it.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
But like, we're all so close now, we're all.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Talking about everything and we're all so close, and that's
it is a real shame because no one saw that.
So you think that there's a lot of these issues
going on, but at the same time, it's like, you know,
like a quarter, if not like less than that gets shown.
So you might see some people talking to other people
and some people not talking to other people, but that's
not the case. Like we all spoke to each other.
(40:18):
We were, yeah, a really really great team. So we've
actually all again spoken about that, and it's a real
shame that no one's sort of seen that side.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I talk about it all the time. As much as
you try and explain the scenario to people, they will
never understand what you've just gone through. It's absolutely life changing. Yeah,
something I've got to point out though, because I've been
seeing this and we laugh about it. Bags on the feet,
you're in the accommodation. Who came up with that idea?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I even know, But like, so, we weren't allowed to
leave the inside area to go to the bathroom or
anywhere on the outside without shoes on.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
And you know how long it takes to put the
body in on.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
We couldn't do that every time we need to go
to the toilet or just like walk outside.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
I can't remember who it was.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
I don't know if it was ebony, but every single
person started wearing and like in the middle of the
night would slip those on and just like walk out.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
And it was such a true aussy thing right there.
So it made their own flipblots.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
So it made that a Haitian sack or something was
that it was. It looked like Haitian bag. It was.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
It was filled the sand with so because you know
how you have to have certain weight, so that's what
we use.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
We just found whatever we could.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
What was your favorite challenge on the show? I mean,
obviously the helicopter grab was pretty impressive, but what was
your most you know, the most rewarding element that you
got from that?
Speaker 4 (41:42):
So another thing not everybody well no one saw actually
because they didn't show it, but I believe it was
a week or so ago when the ladder under the
helicopter and everyone had failed that and I did it
with Darius, which was great, but then they actually told
me that I had to do it again and Melissa
who because there was odd odd numbers in the group,
(42:04):
so Melissa who was up. I was freaking out because
I know, like if one person drops, then the other
person fails. So I was like, I don't want to
disappoint Melissa. I've just done it. I'm like ecstatic, but
now I've got to do it with Melissa. And so
I was freaking out and I had blisters all over
my hands from it, and I did it for a
second time, and yeah, that was just one of those
(42:25):
moments I was like, oh my gosh, like, how did
I do that?
Speaker 6 (42:28):
I did it?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
That's awesome.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
The monkey bars of the children's playground that really helped.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
I just have to say this because I'm about to
become a mum myself, and watching you do this has
just been so inspiring because you know, you've not You've
had a child not long ago. You've had four weeks
to turn this around and get yourself prepared. You're not
really sure of what you were capable of, but you
(42:58):
stuck in there day in day out when the times
got tough, Like what were you thinking of? Because sometimes
when you're in there, you've just got a channel that
you've got to stay focused. But were there times where
you were really struggling? What were you thinking about? Were
you thinking about her?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
What we know?
Speaker 6 (43:15):
Like that was the one thing I didn't want to
think about. And it sounds harsh, but block it out, the.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Amount of times people brought her up to start a conversation.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
I was like, don't talk to every time you said
her name.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah, you had to block it out, and you just
had to kind of I don't even know what I did,
but I think I just brought it back to the
situation and said like in a way, like you've got
to remember this is a TV show, like you're doing
really well, and just keep going and sleep on it.
Don't think too far ahead. You haven't seen it a
whole lot. But I cried quite a lot, like Jeff Bugles.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Oh my god, on the Wall was a bear of
a man.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
Yeah, Oh it was horrendous.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
There was one night when Aunt came in and he said, Okay, everybody,
you're going to have a night off go to don't worry.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
I'm not going to come wake you up.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
And we were like, okay, cool, and I'd spoken to
someone Mike Philip Pursish said if he comes and does that,
he's actually going to let you sleep through, so like,
don't worry about it, just have a good night sleep.
I was like, great, this is my night to have
a good night sleep. And then you have Jeff, who
is snoring, and you've got Lockie who's snoring. I went
and sat outside the bathrooms and I boiled my eyes
out for like half an hour.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Oh god. You know you mentioned your family and your daughter,
and obviously you've done yourself very brab but also to
your family. But we we did mention. We've had to
chat about the messages from home and whether or not
people elect to watch them or not watch them. And
I think the DS and we too, believe that you
were probably somebody who shouldn't have watched it. You should
(44:44):
have just walked away. Because just to your point about saying,
you know, you didn't actually want it to be talking
about it.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Did it help you? Was it as?
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Did it seem to break you the way it did?
Speaker 6 (44:53):
I think it definitely broke me.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
I was very upset and it kind of you just
it's like a tough one. It's like I I wish
almost I didn't, But at the same time, I can
never imagine saying no to that, Like I just don't
know how that, Like I just yeah, it's going to
I'm either going to go one or of two ways.
Speaker 6 (45:09):
And yeah, I went the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Well I might have gone the wrong way there but seriously,
you went so well in so many other ways over
the course, and you press the hell out of all
of us everyone who's watching your grit and your determination.
I really like the way that you went about the tasks.
I think it was really smart and really strong. Yeah,
so you know you've always got that for you. Like
you say, if you go in there with the attitude
(45:33):
that you're going to take something away for life, you will,
and you've done that. So congratulations, well done on your
time on Essays Astray. You smashed it.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
We loved watching you and I loved it.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
Thank you. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Well.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Next week we'll find out who of the final remaining
five recruits.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Past the selection.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Will it be Melissa Whoop on the Weapon, Cocky Lucky,
Millie laser Face Boil doesn't say a word, Darius boyd
Rianna Krean. I couldn't think of her nickname for her,
so we just call Ariana SABS. If you had to
pick one or even two people to pass selection, who
would it be?
Speaker 3 (46:13):
I think it's too hard to pick one, So I'm
going to pick two. It's going to be Melissa Woo
and Rihanna Korean.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
I'm with her. I reckon what we're going to see
is a double female selection and I can't think of
it two more deserving recruits than those two, So I
hope they both pass selection. I think the other's done great.
I think Miller's done great. I think Darius has done great.
I think Locke is very capable, but eventually he's passed
on That show will catch up on you, So let's
(46:42):
fingers crossed for a double for the girl.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Say you the Girl, Let's go.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Thanks for listening. Our final episode drops next Wednesday, and
keep your eyes open on Friday for a bonus mini
episode where Sabrina and I interrogate one of the record
To make sure you don't miss a thing. Watch Says
Australia on Channel seven and seven plus and catch the
SAS Australia debrief on the iHeartRadio app. See you next time.
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