March 8, 2022 • 40 mins
Big Bad Barry Hall joins Merrick Watts and Sabrina Frederick to discuss his time on SAS Australia and his untimely exit. Plus Barry gives his thoughts on the drama that's unfurled this season. Sabrina and Merrick break down this week's challenges before taking a look at the State Of Play and discussing which remaining recruits will go all the way as we cross the midway point of the course. Watch season two of SAS Australia on Channel 7.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, the cracks are widening on our recruits as we
reached the midway point. I'm Eric Watch joined by Sabrina
Frederick for your sas austrated debrief Savs. We lost big
bad Barry Hall this week, someone we both picked to
go all the way. How do you rickon you be
feeling after watching last night's episode.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh, he's got to be feeling pretty devastated. He's done
so well throughout this course, so I think he'd be devastated.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I would be devastated.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I was devastated for him. I'm a big fan of
Barry's and he'll be joining us later on the show
to have a bit of a chat about that. Plus's
time we check in on the state of plays. We're
locking our final picks for who we think is going
to go all the way. With only a week left
on the course midway point, it's starting to show some
real emergence now and before any of that, we will
get to that moment, the moment Richard butch Rose snapped
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and lost his mind, landing himself a one way ticket
home That will all be covered off in this week's debrief.
Episode six was all about aggression and whether the recruits
could harness and control it, but as we saw, not
all the recruits had the ability to park the emotion
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after they tapped in. Before we jump into the first challenge,
I want to highlight someone coming off the back of
that explosive drama between Cocky Lockie and Paul Finick last
week number seven, Rihanna Krean. She tried to assert a
mindset shift within the group on the way to the
first task. What did you see in that?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It was probably needed from someone. I'm so glad it
was her. She's been vocal in the sense that when
she does speak, everyone listens. So I'm glad that it
was her that said something because I think it will
be respected. She is one for me that her leadership
is really taking place here. She's really going, you know what,
this is the time where we've got to come together
as a team because we're not going to be able
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to get through without it. We're not going to be
able to get through without each other. And I think
she's sort of trying to bring everyone together like a family,
and that's the only way you're going to get through
at this day.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, I kind of clocked it as part frustration, but
also too strong leadership. And what's interesting Sabs and I
know you and I talk about this off here as
well as that it's the women who are merging with
the leadership roles here. The blokes have taken a back
step or they're just bickering like children, and it's the
women who are coming to the fore here.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
We talk about this all the time. You know, Brain's over, Braunze.
I think some of the guys came in here may
be relying on their physicality to get them through, and
I think they've realized now that that's you know, probably
a small percentage of it, whereas the girls have really
stepped up and they've made it count where they've needed to.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And for me, they're the front runners right now.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Brain's over, braun I'm enjoying it. I really like seeing it.
Let's jump into the first task, where the recruits have
to face off each other in a tug of war.
The ds are looking for the recruits to leave it
all out there and show that they can tap into
their anger when it was needed. What TV show of
recent times did this tug of war challenge remind you of?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Firstly, I just have to say I love this task.
As soon as I was watching it, I was thinking,
squid game.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Come on, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Squid games, but with some safety, right we Actually it
was a great task. I mean, seems simple tug of war,
but the jeopardy of the cliff really adds to it,
doesn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I mean as much as you are attached to her
a lot of safety year seeing the waves crushing below you,
it's still for someone who's afraid of heights, it's still
enough to put you off. So to be able to
do that and go head to head against someone else,
I loved everything about this task.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Is probably one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Who stood out and the people who contested each other there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I think for me, Millie was one.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
She's a rugby player, so I was waiting to see
her tap into that and really you know, drive her legs.
And she did really really well in that task. Luckie
he did well. To be honest, I think he's in
this redemption mode at the moment. He's trying to be
a bit quiet, he's trying to just get on with it.
I felt like, actually he did well in this fun task.
I think he did really really well.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I also liked to Melissa woman, and although she didn't win,
she showed like you could see her laser face, and
I love a bit of laser face in this shows
you know what she's really switched on. She looked like
she was really in the moment. Didn't look like a
poor me, this is a difficult situation kind of face.
She was focused and I really like that from Melissa. Well.
I think that's going to speak volume still later on,
but no doubt everybody's favorite one was when Richard had
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his ass handed to him by Millie. That was the best.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Do you know what though, I there was something about it.
I just knew, like Milly has this controlled aggression. You know,
she plays rugby professionally. When you're at that level, you've
got to have that aggression, and I knew she'd be
able to translate in this course. I was just waiting
to see the opportunity. I think she smashed it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I mean, I make jokes about laser eyes, but it
was really evident in her face. Wasn't it like Millie's
face as well? You know when she was standing on
that cliff, she was going to drag him out. That
was there was just absolutely no compromise and you could
see the level of aggression, and it was unreally she.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Was either gonna win or she was going to die trying.
And I think that that's that's all we can ask
in in tasks like this.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well Millie could die trying, whereas Richard almost died crying
as he cracked the ships with one of the more
dangerous people you could do with. He absolutely spatted the
dummy at the DS and particularly you know Olie, and
then directed it. And let's have a listen to Richard's tantrum?
Do our job needed to.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Be nice to me?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I'm not being nice.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You don't want to be here? Go It's as simple
as what do you want to stay? Right here? You
want to stay here? I'm asking you. I just pulled
that off the cliff.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
There you go, there, you go.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Out there. It's getting called the lion.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
If you can't take care of if you can't take
being called names, then this is the place for you.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I don't care about the names.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Okay, listen, all right, First, what do you want to do?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
What do you want to do? Listen here? And now
do you want to go sticking with the course, do
exactly that. Then we bring a land to a rich
arrogant wanker that.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Was only there giving a mouth full back to Richard
at the end. But I was surprised that Aunt gave
him any courter there at all.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I've just got to put it out there. How did
Richard even survive prison? I'm just putting this straight out there.
If you can't handle people names on a course you're
expecting it from, how do you survive an environment like that?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, But you know what though, I think he's taking
the bait. They've bathed him, you know, as soon as
they think that they've got a little crack, put pressure
on double down.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, And I reckon that they might have seen, you know,
that he was a little bit stung by being beaten
by a woman. Perhaps, I reckon that's what it is personally.
I don't know, but they went right I we'll just
give him a bit of a niggle on. He went
straight to him and really reaved him up, and he
took the bait. He allowed his emotions to be seen
and uncontrolled.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Do you think for a moment he forgot where he.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Was totally totally forgot.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
There's just no way I would have spoken to the
DS like that do you reckon.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
He forgot where he was or do you think that
he actually remembered where he was in the sense that
like he forgot that he was on course and remembered
he was on a TV show.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, okay, yeah, no, I agree, because he even brought
that up. He brought that up that you know, he
doesn't want to be a part of the reality show.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So you're probably right.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He probably realized, you know, now it's maybe not going
the narrative is not suiting him, and now he's got
it almost.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Change that for the show, but I have a strong,
strong stance on this. Not everyone will agree with this,
but when you sign up to this course, you know
how the daase are going to be and if you
feel like if you can disrespect them in any way,
you do not deserve to be on this course.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I agree. Let's not forget like legitimately, the ability to
go on this show and compete is a gift. Yeah,
it can make you so much stronger, it make you
so much more worldly, it can offer you a once
in a lifetime experience. And if you piss on it
like that, then.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I honestly I can completely agree with you and I
was sitting there going, I don't think I've ever heard
anyone say shut up to Aunt Middleton. Who who does
he think he is?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
No, I can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, in the end, Ant gave him a second chance
back at the base, which surprised me, and then eventually
just took his number. It couldn't even give him a
years or no answer, so disrespectful. I was over it.
I think everyone was over it, and certainly Ant Middleton
was over it. Took his number, Richard, see you later.
Back to cell Block A. Let's get onto the assault course,
where in pairs, the recruits had to push each other
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to endure the course until the DS was satisfied. This
is designed to break the recruits. Where you down, you
don't know how long it's going to go for. It
is punishing and you know physically it will hurt you.
There was blood everywhere. It's a tough time. I've got
to stand out on this one. It is Anna. I
thought Anna was brilliant on this course.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, Barry and Anna, they both impressed me with that.
When you see the course and you know that you're
going to be going and going until they're done, it's
your chance. To impress them by really committing. You might
not be at the front, but they need to see
the commitment that you're going to go in there and
give one hundred and ten percent.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And those two absolutely smashed it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, they were great. What I loved is that And
actually you know it was with Barry side by side
but not being carried. She eventually actually took you know,
the lead for one period, yare, but she never left
him behind. It was never a better and credit to
Locke as well. Lockie was doing the same thing. He
was actually playing a team game there and I was surprised,
but I thought, if you're doing this from this start,
you'd be probably more likely to get through to the end.
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As brutal as this Soult course looks, it's not just
for the viewing pleasure. It serves a real purpose, doesn't it.
And it's physical so they can get to you mentally later,
do you feel.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, I think at this stage in the course, they
want to separate the strong from the weak, and this
is what that course does. That assault course quite clearly
shows who's going to be able to keep up in
the end.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, it breaks people. And I reckon seeing Paul at
the back end there. You know, I think that that
really will be recognized by their ds. You know, as
much as they're looking at the front of the pack
in this they're actually looking at the back of the
pack at the same time, so it could be foreboding
for him.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
The next episode, of course, was fear and to see
if the recruits could control their fears. The first task
saw the recruits bound, forced into the boot of a
car and driven at high speeds. To pass, the recruits
had to break out of their binds, assess the situation,
and then choose the right moment to make an escape.
This is such an.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Wants It sort of sums up what they're looking for.
In the end, they're thinking about what it takes to
become the thinking soldier. And a task like this I
absolutely love because it sees everyone in their element. It
sees how quick reaction times are for each individual, and
the courage to just go for it and pick your timing.
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Because the beauty of something like this is you never
know when it's the best time. You might know in
your gut, but your mind saying something else and questioning you.
So I love this task so much because you can
really see the ones that are comfortable making a decision
when it matters most.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, and look at this. It's actually one of those
ones where it is easy to fail because you know,
if the car stops and you take that opportunity to
go but the engine's still running, you're doing the right
thing doing the wrong thing, And that's about sick and
guessing yourself in the moment. But you've got to be
prepared to make the jump as well. Pull JR. Fugel
jumped out of the car. His legs are still be
Where are you going, Jeff? Are you gonna swimming away?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Mate?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
At least he managed to get his hands free. Both
Millie and Rihanna.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Both of them could didn't get anything free.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
They were just loving their titan going for a joy ride.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Nah, nah, you've got as soon as you're in the boot,
you've got to free your hands, free your legs, you know,
prep the door, and be ready to roll. I think
that that is kind of a basic minimum. But full
credit to Melissa. Were so smart, so well timed, and
off like a shot at exactly the right moment. The
DS will read that heavily for me.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
She has just separated herself from everyone else. She has
now put herself and I said to herself, right up
the top yep, amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, she's definitely pushed her way to the top there.
This episode marked the half way mark through this selection
course and to this point where you start to look
back and you look at everything you've been through, the beatings,
the challenges, the blisters, the bruises, and think to yourself,
have I got another week of that in me? Oh?
It's half going. Day seven is starting to wear physically,
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very heavily on the recruits. Do you remember what you
were thinking around about day seven?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I do, Actually, I remember going, this group that we've
got now is more than capable, Like everyone in this
group that we had about halfway mark was capable. And
I think that's when you really need to lean on
each other and stick together and almost help each other
get along because it's a very united group that's going
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to go for the next couple of days. So I
remember that clearly. I also remember knowing, like, how much
worse can it really get?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Physically?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Like I felt like physically I didn't think it was
going to get any harder. I just felt like mentally
we were going to be tested a lot you know,
with fatigue and lack of food, we're getting less and
less food every day, and we still had a week
of that. So I just knew that it was going
to go to a whole other level.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, it's interesting, like, you know, this period of the
course I think started to galvanize. And what I'm not
seeing in this group is that uniform solidarity amongst people.
You know, they're not even in factions. It just seems
like people are all too scared to unite or reluctant to.
I don't know, the unity there. It seems lacking. What
do you think of this as kind of preventing them from,
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you know, being a team.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I don't know, Like I just feel like maybe a
few of them are lacking confidence. Even with Anna Heinrich,
she's been smashing it. She said herself, she can't even
see herself at the end. Like the only person I felt, like,
you know, had extreme confidence was Bass. So I feel
like it's partly confidence. I think the other part is
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the division between Paulie and Lockey, and no one jumped
in to try and help. You know, no one really
got together early, and I think they've almost left it
too late, like it's a week in and you're not
helping each other. I remember on our season day one,
you've got people, you know, helping you putting your clothes on,
or people making your beds. Ye, people helping filling up
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the water bottles, helping cutting the wood, like all of
those things drying your clothes that happened day one yep,
for us, absolutely, And I haven't even seen that one
of those things happen for them, so I don't know.
I don't know if it will happen.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
And the thing is like those small things that you
do in the accommodation by looking after each other when
you know other people's clothes are wet, and getting fires
going and everything, and serving food and making sure people
are okay and helping with any strapping or anthing like that.
That bonding that will then be taken out on the course. Yeah,
you know. And the course should also to bring that
bonding back into the accommodation.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And it's pretty worrying at this stage because you will
need each other in the back end. Is it is
so exhausting I cannot even explain. And you can't do
it by yourself, you really can't. And the whole purpose
of this course and the point of making selection is
can those ds see themselves beside you? Can they trust
you with their backs? And at the moment is worrying
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that no one's really working together as a team. If
you want to go far, you you know, you've got
to go together. You can't, you can't go alone. And
so right now something needs to change with that dynamic
because it's probably looking only one or two. Maybe Max
will pass selection at this stage.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, I'm interested to see whether or not that dynamical
change if a couple of key people are either culd
or break down. And I have to say it, I
think it would be you know, poorly and lucky. You
have created such a caustic dynamic within that group that
if they one or both are not there, it could
change the dynamic and bang it. You know, you could
see something just emerge. And I think it will come
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from the women. You know, I think that their relationship
or their lack of it, has affected the entire group
from day one. If that's gone, and the DAIS might
say this, I don't know, if they are gone changes
the dynamic. You could see some real leaders come through.
And next week is when it is going to get
very serious. Once you start pushing into day eight, day nine,
and day ten, that's when it just starts to take
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a huge toll on your body and on your mind.
So looking forward to that, well, we always knew that
there was going to be a hand to hand combat
challenge SABS, and this one's a little bit different. It
was King of the Ring or Queen of the Ring.
No punch is thrown, but a really brutal tussle to
throw your opponent out of the ring, so brutal in fact,
that there was a serious injury. Barry Hall and Lockeye
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first in there, two massive units, but didn't go Barry's way.
I did it no, and I.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Was a bit disappointed because I felt like that controlled
aggression was due for him. I felt like the DS
were almost waiting for that to come out, and I
was disappointed because I felt like this could have been
an easy win if he just tapped into that. I
know he's capable.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's a bit worrying when you're more terrified of a
bloke from the Bachelor than you are from his AFL enforcer. Well,
credit to Locke, he played it well. Barry severely injured, though, like,
you know, that reb was horrific, bad injury to you know,
ultimately one he couldn't.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, with an injury like that, it could get so
much worse. I think we talk about injury a lot
on this course, but I think that's probably the one
injury that if it was sustained myself, I probably would
have had to really think about staying on because you know,
anything could happen, you could puncture along.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I think as much as it was it was terrible
for him, I think he made the right decision.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
One of the battles I liked, although it was one
of those moments when I was watching and I went ooh,
was when Anna and Paully bashed heads for the first time,
and that first battle was like, oh my god. But
Anna eventually won that and beat poorly in that competition.
That says so much she's gone another level. That one.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I love the.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Fact that even though it is combat, it because it
is hand to hand, it's not just physicality. You can
use people's weight against you know, the angles that you're
coming in from. It is probably more mental actually than
it is physical. And I think one person that really
let me down was Ebony for a living you you know,
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you're a fighter. I understand boxing is very different, but
you use aggression in your sport, and she could not
translate that, you know, over into this into this task.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean I would say I didn't see as much
aggression from Barry Hall as I expected either, So you know,
it's it's interesting how people change once you're in that environment.
But just when the recruits thought that the battle was done,
we then get and all in it was.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
God, oh it was awesome to watch. Lockie of course
prevailed dominant performance. Yes, but again, like you know, just
picked his timing. It was really kind of like do
or die stuff, good scrap.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
As soon as he said royal rumble, it took me
back to being a kid watching w W. I was
just loving every second of it. But the one thing
I will say with Lockie, I love the fact that
he got the job done. He put his head down
and just really pushed to try and get them all
out as quick as possible, and I think that it
was a much deserved win for him.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Look, he did well on that absolutely. Unfortunately, you know,
later on in the mirror room, we saw him talk
about how his own selfishness kills him and that he
wish that he could do better and stuff like that,
and then the DS called him out on it, like
he's going, I wish I could change it and it
kills me that I'm selfish, and then the DAS is
cooled bullshit on it. Olie just goes, you're just saying
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what you want us to hear. You get nothing past
these guys.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You really really don't. They're just masters in it. You know,
they're watching everything and they're almost waiting, almost setting traps
for you, like they're waiting for you to say certain
things because they've prepared something later. And I think that
for me, it probably took me day four on the
course to realize that every thing is intentional and they
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really are waiting for you individually.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
You all have your moments. I'm interested to see how.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
These guys are going with it, if they've even clicked
onto that yet.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
It's everything is a trap. Everything is a trap. Every
time they do something, it has a reason to purpose
or it is a trap. And I think with LOCKI
I think, you know, maybe he's used to being able
to use those charms and those techniques in reality shows
or in society where he can get people to feel
for him. And they were just like, mate, we see
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straight through you like a pane of glass. I was like,
they've absolutely got his number totally. So I'm looking forward
to seeing what happens with LOCKI in the future as well.
I think next week is going to be massive. But
somebody who is absolutely massive figuratively literally is big Bad
Barry Hall and he joins us next on the debrief.
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Well Sabrina and I both had him picked to be
standing there at the very end, but unfortunately injuries saw
him end his time on Essays Australia. Burry Hall, thanks
for joining us on the debrief, mate.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Thanks sure much.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Have you met So good to see you, Baz straight
off the bat, I'm gutted for you man. Both me
and Mes had you going through at the end and
seeing you go down with that rib, oh, absolutely heartbroken.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I just want to say, how is it? How is
it now? Like, how are you going?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yeah? Look the ribs, the rib's fine. Yeah, it was
just one of those freak accidents. I guess you know.
I tried to throw trow Locke, who's one hundred and
ten kilos and a big fella and it just popped
out dessicated rib and yeah, I knew straight away something happened.
And then we had a couple more wrestles we had
to do, which I didn't do that well in but yes,
we got through it. And then once I got back
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to camp and totally cooled down, I thought, geez, I'm
in trouble now. You know. I couldn't even get my berger.
I thought, geez, can I can I get through this?
You know a little other halfway and I'd sort of
knuckle down and get through this. But after not being
able to get my bag on, and I thought, you know,
I don't hold the rest up. So had to make
the call. And as men said, it's just not your time.
(23:12):
And that's just one of the sayings they have that
injury sometimes just force you into these decisions. So I
would love to will been there at the end, you know,
that was my goal, but just just wasn't my time.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Mate. It's it was a pretty serious injury that you had.
I mean, just so the rip has dislocated from where
did they come from? The ernimal from the back and
it's kind of pushed around. Is that what happened? Yeah, right,
a couch Jesus.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yeah, it was. It wasn't good. And this was one
of those ones where I thought, I'm just I'm not
going to be able to do what's coming up. You know,
by the end of each season they sort of ramp
up stuff, so I thought, jeez, I'm going to struggle.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So it just wasn't to be something I just want
to chat to you about.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
You could see in the episodes and prodding you and
trying to get that aggression out of you, you know
that we've seen in the past on the footy field,
but you almost didn't use that aggression, and you sort
of touched on the fact that it's not really there anymore.
It's not really a part of you anymore. Why didn't
you get that aggression out?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Look, it's still in there, but it's deep deep down.
You know. It's one of those things that when I
was a competitive sportsman, I could click it on like that.
But but now you know, you're a little bit older
and wiser. I've got some little eyes that are watching me,
and you know, I don't need to do it anymore.
I probably didn't need to do it back in the day. Yeah,
(24:33):
it's still in there, but I just don't feel like
I need to any more. And I'm sort of a
character that's pretty a pretty cruisy sort of guy. I'm not,
you know, I'm not a raving lunatic. I'm just a
very cruisy guy who's competitive and you know, if I
get pushed as a competitor, and you know, it's obviously
still in there deep down, but you know, it's not
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something that I can just flick a switch. Now I've
probably out grown it, which which is probably the best
way to describe it. I've probably grown and grown up
a little bit. The chip on my shoulders not there anymore.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, it's great to see, like I mean, having followed
your career through footing, being you know, a huge AFL
fan and watching you play football live, like you know,
you always look like you were on the way to
break somebody, and then in this show it does look
like a maturity, like there has been a change in
your life. Obviously, family, having kids, having a missus, that relationship,
everything that you've got going on you has pacified what
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was a hulk like mentality before it. So you know,
and the fact of the matter is is that that's
the where your future is anyway, isn't it? You know,
you only you only want to soften further. Not too
much bad, hasn't it.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
But yeah, look, and I've done a lot of work
on myself and it sounds really silly, but after my
AFL career, I've done a lot of work on myself
and I just do stuff now that serves me and
stuff that's going to help me. And you know, getting
angry and breaking stuff or breaking people, isn't it doesn't
help me or serve me. It's just one of those things.
(25:56):
It's it's a development growth thing that I've I've sort
of done personally, which is held quite a bit. There's
no point getting anxious and uptight and aggressive, and if
you don't need to, you're just wasting energy for something
that you could be doing in a good way. So
I've grown up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, well done.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
You touched on that aggression piece.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
There's an altercation that happens with Richard butt Rose and
Aunt Middleton straight after the Tug.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Of War.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Americ and I just we're watching him, We're going, oh
my goodness, no one, I've never seen anyone have the
courage to talk back to Aunt Middleton, let alone swear
or tell him to shut up?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Was it that? Was it genuinely just Richard thinking that they.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Were picking on him, or was it something bigger than that,
Like what was going on there?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
I was confused because Richard was actually sat beside me
and we're sitting on our bergens, and then all of
a sudden he snapped and then started yelling at people,
and he jumped up, and there was an area we
couldn't go outside of. They you don't go past that
long that rock, and he's gone out past it. So
I'm sitting there going, what are you doing? Rich rich
And he walked past and started storming up to the
(27:04):
d s's. I think he went to Dean Scott yeah,
and started yelling in his face. And I'm like, is
this really happening because we obviously didn't see what happens, yeah,
in the tug war and then all that that was
all hidden from us, and I thought, you this guy
just lost the plot.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
It was a little bit unlike Richard because he's been
pretty cool, calm and collecting, yeah, and it was just
unlike him. Yeah, and then to do what he done,
I've never seen that happen.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So I've never seen that happen.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I was more, I was more fearful for us, And.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, you could have
all copped a massive beasting for his work, but you know,
it was it was interesting that the ant seemed to
be quite calm about it all and even kind of
gave him a second opportunity when you got back to
base though, it seemed as though the d S had
needled him. They got into him the way they tried
to open up a crack, put a wedge in there,
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and he was gone, then, wasn't he He just wasn't able
to come back from it.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah. Yeah, he was sort of saying to us, you know,
he's going to be edited and viewed in a certain
way which he wanted to get away from, and that's
the reason why he was doing the show, which, look,
I understand, but you can't be that parentoly going into
a show like I think, looking back on maybe you'd
look at it in a different way. But yeah, I'm
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actually thankful that they did grab his number, because if
he did, they want to give us an almighty beast thing.
That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Well, Berry, we would speak to him, but he's only
allowed one call to day and he's already used it.
So do you accept no from inmate number five?
Speaker 4 (28:49):
I'd like that the interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Battle that we've been following his viewers is locky and poorly.
I mean, it's so intense. Was it really disruptive and
corrosive to the group? Will you guys talking about it
that we didn't see? Were you guys talking about how
much of an effect it was having on you guys
as a group in the accommodation? How was that dynamic
affecting you and your time in there?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
To be perfectly honest, and you know, with some of
the stuff that's aired at the moment, and everyone's caught
a bit of backlash because they haven't supported poorly, but
the narrative of that stage and what we heard was
probably a totally different thing. You know. I obviously didn't
see what happened on the course and their arguments, and
I tried to stay out of it. Totally different to
(29:31):
what I viewed it in there. I'm watching it on TV.
I was like, oh, well I've got a totally different
view on that now. Yeah, yeah, in there, I didn't
realize poorly put the olive branch out and it was
almost knocked back. Otherwise, if I don't, I know who
would have went to paul and say, look, you know,
just leave it and give him a little bit of support,
because it does look like he's getting up on a
little bit. So I'm a bit disappointed in that. But
(29:54):
I didn't do that. I just tried to stay out
of it. The whole thing was a little bit childish.
We're in a unique situation that, you know, everyone's senses
are heightened and your emotions are running high, and things
are happening out of the norm. You know, stuff like
this does happen. But yeah, from being in there to
watching it on TV, it's a totally different aspect of
what I thought it was. To be honest.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
The one thing that happened a couple of weeks ago
that a pointed out was, you know, the voodoo cast
spelled Locke's put.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
On you guys.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
He almost did in a way, because all those conversations
that he had with Paulie, he kept to himself. He
didn't say any of that to you guys, which change
is the narrative of everything.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Absolutely, yeah, And that's sort of what I'm talking about,
is I'm not signing with anyone, But what I sensed
in there, yep, and what I've heard to what I've
seen on TV and some of the conversations they had
was a totally different outlook. And I wish I had
to know a little bit better. You know, I would
probably would have supported Paulie a little bit more without
getting involved, because it's not my place. There are two
own men. They're going to sort it out. You know,
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we're teammates and we're going to get on with it.
So I did feel bad for Paulie, to be perfectly honest.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Let's talk about the great stuff from SAS Australia, which
is the you know, the actions that you go on,
the challenges that you face. When Sebs and I watch it,
there's always ones where we go, oh god, I wish
I could have been pepper spread in the face and
your time there, what was your your favorite one and
your least favorite one?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Either had the helicopters at the bottom.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Of the helicopters, just you know, unreal.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I can't wait to show my kids out when they're
you know, that's that's money can't buy experiences. They're they're
they're the ones you look at and you know if
you do that on the outside, you do a full
day safety briefing, you all sorts of stuff. You guys know,
we had a thirty second briefing.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, you're in.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It was awesome. I love that. That's that's great. Yeah,
that was That was absolutely the favorite, you know, I
think that was everyone's favorite.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
To be perfect, it's unreal.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
And the worst one was the peppers Pray for me.
That was I was a total idiot. I fully opened
eye because I didn't think you could.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I saw it. It's Barry got googles on that I
cannot see. They said to go into things with open eyes, Berry,
but you really did.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Like I was like, what the.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
And then everyone when I got back to camp, so
I was horrible, And then they all said they closed
their eyes and wiping. I was like, I don't think
you could. To take it. Open mind always lifts into
the brief. No one said you have all your eyes open.
Oh yeah, that's next level. And going into our season
only had four days.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Notice what's the story behind that? Four days? Notice? Why
is that?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah? I don't give any secrets or but I think
someone may have got injured coming in. Okay, So I
was a little bit worried because you know, I hadn't
trained for it. I didn't have a set of boots,
I didn't have the backpack to training.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
We all know the most underrated injury in the world
in world sport is blisters. One blister's going into this scene.
But luckily touched what. I just kept tipping my feet up,
and you know, that was fine.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
That's that's awesome. I was late call up. I got
a couple of weeks and that was still tough. That's insane.
A few days notice, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I know what it's like. I only had eight months.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Oh god, I'm just gonna I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Gonna say that, Like, obviously it's not the way you
wanted to go out. Do you feel like you got
what you needed? Did you feel like you took something
away from that experience.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
I feel like it's not finished, to be honest. Yeah,
I went in there to complete it, regardless of preparation,
regardless of ending. I went in there to complete it.
I thought I was in a good headspace. I thought
I was you know, physically, I was okay, and then
just a stupid freak injury kicked me out. So that
sort of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, I guess,
but you know, it feels like I was in a
(34:00):
really good place to complete it, and you know, to
have to go out that way it was. It's a
bit unsettling for me, but look, it's something that I'll
look back on and thoroughly enjoy watching with my boys.
And I really enjoyed the physical part of it, and
I was in it mentally as well.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
But hopefully you get a call up to go again
and give them a second opportunity. You know, both Sabs
and I thought that you would be there standing at
the end for sure. It was an absolute pleasure to
watch you on the TV show. We loved it, and
we're very disappointed to see you go out with an injury,
but absolutely no shame in it at all.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Thanks guys, great show. Hopefully all star series we get
a call up and we might all see you in
there together.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Great you will never ever see me there again.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Give him eight months notice and he will be there.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I've had to go. Thanks very much, Baz, all the
best of you, mate, Thanks very much, Thanks Faz.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Going guys, thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Okay, Saves, let's have a look at the state of
play where one week into the course, halfway there, we
made some predictions at the very start of this season
to see who would go. There's probably some changes there
and also to a few people still in there, but
let's have a look at which recruits are just hanging
in there and who might be next to go. Who
do you reckon is in trouble from here? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, I mean there's nine recruits that remain, and I
think the ones that are in trouble. For me, paul
is a massive one. He's isolated himself too much. I
think he's pretty much gone at this point. I think
Lockie's another one. He's done a bit to recover, but
I still think he's in that boat.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And Ebonie for me, just hasn't hit the mark. You know,
either she's got something brewing and it's ready to go
in the next couple of you know, episodes, or I
think she's in trouble.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, i'd agree. I reckon Ebonie and Paulie are in
a bit of strife physically. I don't reckon they're you know,
at a point now that they're going to be able
to go much further. But paul his body language is worrying.
He's like he's really his eyes down, he's isolating himself,
as you're saying, that's just not a place that you
want to be and it's not indicative of somebody who's
going to go to the very end. Interesting with Lockie though,
(36:11):
of course, those abs because he's absolutely capable, and he
seems to be getting more capable physically, but he's still
got that you know, albatross hanging around his neck of
poor attitude that the DS cited very early, and I
don't know if he can shake that off.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think he probably showed his true self a little
bit too early. I think it's going to be the
detriment to him in the end.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
It's a shame.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
He's more than capable, but you know, in a course
like this, that's not enough to get you pie ye
who surprised you? You know, out of the nine recruits left,
who actually you know is there that you probably didn't
think would be.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I Reckon Hughes is doing better than I thought, and
I'm rapped for it. Like he's just starting to understand.
He's really conscious of where he is and what is required.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
He's almost like a bit of a dark horse. Yeah, almost, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I think so. Like I mean, I wouldn't be surprised
if hughs went all the way to the final four
because he's got a comprehension of what is going on
and that is so important. You know, he's physically in
the mix with most things. You know, he gets something's
right and something's wrong, but he's really aware of it.
He's a bit of a dark horse. I really like Anna.
I think Anna Heinrich is just doing so well. I
(37:21):
think she's really switched on. All she needs is that
self belief and she could have a really very very
strong finish, but that's the whole thing off. If she can,
it's like Milly. If Millie can kind of take it
to another level as well, she could be in the
real mix as well.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I mean, the benefit is we're halfway, so it does
give those ones that are on the fence a couple
of days to get themselves going and really assert themselves
and see themselves at the end.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Well. In our first picks, Sabs, we both had Barry
Hall Marry's VW through injury. I had Rihianna. I think
that she was in the top four for me. I'm
still confident she could be in there. I had Lucky Gilbert,
but I see from the get go that he'd probably
make it to the end, but not pass. I don't
even know if he'll make it to me and he
could get cold. But the interesting one that we haven't
had a chat about, and he's been a very much
(38:08):
a gray man, Darius Boyd has been very quiet.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know, he was both in our top picks and
very much the gray men, which we've seen in all seasons.
The gray man you need to have that balance and
know when the time is to step up and have
the confidence and show what you're made of. In the
past seasons we've had, you know, Mags in our season
didn't show enough. It was almost too little, too late.
(38:34):
Last season was Stefo the same, you know, made it
to the end, but didn't show enough until late at
the end. I'm just worried with Darius that he's not
going to have that opportunity. He's going to leave it
too late and just be that gray man that never
ye never shone, you know, I never really got that chance.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, i'd agree. You know, he's got to have that
moment where the d is turn around and go. That
was awesome because otherwise, like you say, he'll just be
there at the end, but there'll be no consideration for him.
He's got to stand out. So it'd be interesting to
see how he goes in the next couple of episodes
as people start to wear down as well. All right, Sabs,
So your top picks at the start were Barry Hall,
Darius Boyd, Rihanna Crean. From this point on, who's going
(39:15):
to be there the final four?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I think I'm going to keep it with Darius and Rihanna.
I think that's still very capable and I think they've
still got a couple of days to really assert themselves
to the top. But I'm probably going to also add
in Anna Heinrich and Melissa Wu. Yep, those two for
me are just their front runners now that they're a
step above the rest.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, I'm going to go I'm going to change it
a little bit. I reckon Anna, Melissa Wu, and I'm
going to say Darius Boyd and Hugel.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
It's a good pick, he would, Yeah, that was close
for me.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, It's it's tough. It's tough from here because, as
you and I both know, the next couple of days
in their world is going to be absolutely punishing. Next
week will be brutal, no doubt, so we'll see who emerges.
We'll get a better picture I reckon in next week's episode. Well, guys,
thanks very much for listening. A new episode drops every Wednesday,
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and keep your eyes open on Friday for a bonus
mini episode where Sabrina and I interrogate one of the recruits.
To make sure you don't miss a thing, watch SAS
Australia on Channel seven and seven plus and catch the
SAS Australia debrief on the iHeartRadio app. See you next time,
Well, the cracks are widening on our recruits as we
reached the midway point. I'm Eric Watch joined by Sabrina
Frederick for your sas austrated debrief Savs. We lost big
bad Barry Hall this week, someone we both picked to
go all the way. How do you rickon you be
feeling after watching last night's episode.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh, he's got to be feeling pretty devastated. He's done
so well throughout this course, so I think he'd be devastated.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I would be devastated.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I was devastated for him. I'm a big fan of
Barry's and he'll be joining us later on the show
to have a bit of a chat about that. Plus's
time we check in on the state of plays. We're
locking our final picks for who we think is going
to go all the way. With only a week left
on the course midway point, it's starting to show some
real emergence now and before any of that, we will
get to that moment, the moment Richard butch Rose snapped
(00:49):
and lost his mind, landing himself a one way ticket
home That will all be covered off in this week's debrief.
Episode six was all about aggression and whether the recruits
could harness and control it, but as we saw, not
all the recruits had the ability to park the emotion
(01:11):
after they tapped in. Before we jump into the first challenge,
I want to highlight someone coming off the back of
that explosive drama between Cocky Lockie and Paul Finick last
week number seven, Rihanna Krean. She tried to assert a
mindset shift within the group on the way to the
first task. What did you see in that?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It was probably needed from someone. I'm so glad it
was her. She's been vocal in the sense that when
she does speak, everyone listens. So I'm glad that it
was her that said something because I think it will
be respected. She is one for me that her leadership
is really taking place here. She's really going, you know what,
this is the time where we've got to come together
as a team because we're not going to be able
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to get through without it. We're not going to be
able to get through without each other. And I think
she's sort of trying to bring everyone together like a family,
and that's the only way you're going to get through
at this day.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, I kind of clocked it as part frustration, but
also too strong leadership. And what's interesting Sabs and I
know you and I talk about this off here as
well as that it's the women who are merging with
the leadership roles here. The blokes have taken a back
step or they're just bickering like children, and it's the
women who are coming to the fore here.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
We talk about this all the time. You know, Brain's over, Braunze.
I think some of the guys came in here may
be relying on their physicality to get them through, and
I think they've realized now that that's you know, probably
a small percentage of it, whereas the girls have really
stepped up and they've made it count where they've needed to.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And for me, they're the front runners right now.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Brain's over, braun I'm enjoying it. I really like seeing it.
Let's jump into the first task, where the recruits have
to face off each other in a tug of war.
The ds are looking for the recruits to leave it
all out there and show that they can tap into
their anger when it was needed. What TV show of
recent times did this tug of war challenge remind you of?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Firstly, I just have to say I love this task.
As soon as I was watching it, I was thinking,
squid game.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Come on, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Squid games, but with some safety, right we Actually it
was a great task. I mean, seems simple tug of war,
but the jeopardy of the cliff really adds to it,
doesn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I mean as much as you are attached to her
a lot of safety year seeing the waves crushing below you,
it's still for someone who's afraid of heights, it's still
enough to put you off. So to be able to
do that and go head to head against someone else,
I loved everything about this task.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Is probably one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Who stood out and the people who contested each other there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I think for me, Millie was one.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
She's a rugby player, so I was waiting to see
her tap into that and really you know, drive her legs.
And she did really really well in that task. Luckie
he did well. To be honest, I think he's in
this redemption mode at the moment. He's trying to be
a bit quiet, he's trying to just get on with it.
I felt like, actually he did well in this fun task.
I think he did really really well.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I also liked to Melissa woman, and although she didn't win,
she showed like you could see her laser face, and
I love a bit of laser face in this shows
you know what she's really switched on. She looked like
she was really in the moment. Didn't look like a
poor me, this is a difficult situation kind of face.
She was focused and I really like that from Melissa. Well.
I think that's going to speak volume still later on,
but no doubt everybody's favorite one was when Richard had
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his ass handed to him by Millie. That was the best.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Do you know what though, I there was something about it.
I just knew, like Milly has this controlled aggression. You know,
she plays rugby professionally. When you're at that level, you've
got to have that aggression, and I knew she'd be
able to translate in this course. I was just waiting
to see the opportunity. I think she smashed it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I mean, I make jokes about laser eyes, but it
was really evident in her face. Wasn't it like Millie's
face as well? You know when she was standing on
that cliff, she was going to drag him out. That
was there was just absolutely no compromise and you could
see the level of aggression, and it was unreally she.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Was either gonna win or she was going to die trying.
And I think that that's that's all we can ask
in in tasks like this.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well Millie could die trying, whereas Richard almost died crying
as he cracked the ships with one of the more
dangerous people you could do with. He absolutely spatted the
dummy at the DS and particularly you know Olie, and
then directed it. And let's have a listen to Richard's tantrum?
Do our job needed to.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Be nice to me?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I'm not being nice.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
You don't want to be here? Go It's as simple
as what do you want to stay? Right here? You
want to stay here? I'm asking you. I just pulled
that off the cliff.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
There you go, there, you go.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Out there. It's getting called the lion.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
If you can't take care of if you can't take
being called names, then this is the place for you.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I don't care about the names.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Okay, listen, all right, First, what do you want to do?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
What do you want to do? Listen here? And now
do you want to go sticking with the course, do
exactly that. Then we bring a land to a rich
arrogant wanker that.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Was only there giving a mouth full back to Richard
at the end. But I was surprised that Aunt gave
him any courter there at all.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I've just got to put it out there. How did
Richard even survive prison? I'm just putting this straight out there.
If you can't handle people names on a course you're
expecting it from, how do you survive an environment like that?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, But you know what though, I think he's taking
the bait. They've bathed him, you know, as soon as
they think that they've got a little crack, put pressure
on double down.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, And I reckon that they might have seen, you know,
that he was a little bit stung by being beaten
by a woman. Perhaps, I reckon that's what it is personally.
I don't know, but they went right I we'll just
give him a bit of a niggle on. He went
straight to him and really reaved him up, and he
took the bait. He allowed his emotions to be seen
and uncontrolled.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Do you think for a moment he forgot where he.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Was totally totally forgot.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
There's just no way I would have spoken to the
DS like that do you reckon.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
He forgot where he was or do you think that
he actually remembered where he was in the sense that
like he forgot that he was on course and remembered
he was on a TV show.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, okay, yeah, no, I agree, because he even brought
that up. He brought that up that you know, he
doesn't want to be a part of the reality show.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So you're probably right.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He probably realized, you know, now it's maybe not going
the narrative is not suiting him, and now he's got
it almost.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Change that for the show, but I have a strong,
strong stance on this. Not everyone will agree with this,
but when you sign up to this course, you know
how the daase are going to be and if you
feel like if you can disrespect them in any way,
you do not deserve to be on this course.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I agree. Let's not forget like legitimately, the ability to
go on this show and compete is a gift. Yeah,
it can make you so much stronger, it make you
so much more worldly, it can offer you a once
in a lifetime experience. And if you piss on it
like that, then.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I honestly I can completely agree with you and I
was sitting there going, I don't think I've ever heard
anyone say shut up to Aunt Middleton. Who who does
he think he is?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
No, I can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, in the end, Ant gave him a second chance
back at the base, which surprised me, and then eventually
just took his number. It couldn't even give him a
years or no answer, so disrespectful. I was over it.
I think everyone was over it, and certainly Ant Middleton
was over it. Took his number, Richard, see you later.
Back to cell Block A. Let's get onto the assault course,
where in pairs, the recruits had to push each other
(09:02):
to endure the course until the DS was satisfied. This
is designed to break the recruits. Where you down, you
don't know how long it's going to go for. It
is punishing and you know physically it will hurt you.
There was blood everywhere. It's a tough time. I've got
to stand out on this one. It is Anna. I
thought Anna was brilliant on this course.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, Barry and Anna, they both impressed me with that.
When you see the course and you know that you're
going to be going and going until they're done, it's
your chance. To impress them by really committing. You might
not be at the front, but they need to see
the commitment that you're going to go in there and
give one hundred and ten percent.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And those two absolutely smashed it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, they were great. What I loved is that And
actually you know it was with Barry side by side
but not being carried. She eventually actually took you know,
the lead for one period, yare, but she never left
him behind. It was never a better and credit to
Locke as well. Lockie was doing the same thing. He
was actually playing a team game there and I was surprised,
but I thought, if you're doing this from this start,
you'd be probably more likely to get through to the end.
(10:03):
As brutal as this Soult course looks, it's not just
for the viewing pleasure. It serves a real purpose, doesn't it.
And it's physical so they can get to you mentally later,
do you feel.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, I think at this stage in the course, they
want to separate the strong from the weak, and this
is what that course does. That assault course quite clearly
shows who's going to be able to keep up in
the end.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, it breaks people. And I reckon seeing Paul at
the back end there. You know, I think that that
really will be recognized by their ds. You know, as
much as they're looking at the front of the pack
in this they're actually looking at the back of the
pack at the same time, so it could be foreboding
for him.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
The next episode, of course, was fear and to see
if the recruits could control their fears. The first task
saw the recruits bound, forced into the boot of a
car and driven at high speeds. To pass, the recruits
had to break out of their binds, assess the situation,
and then choose the right moment to make an escape.
This is such an.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Wants It sort of sums up what they're looking for.
In the end, they're thinking about what it takes to
become the thinking soldier. And a task like this I
absolutely love because it sees everyone in their element. It
sees how quick reaction times are for each individual, and
the courage to just go for it and pick your timing.
(11:22):
Because the beauty of something like this is you never
know when it's the best time. You might know in
your gut, but your mind saying something else and questioning you.
So I love this task so much because you can
really see the ones that are comfortable making a decision
when it matters most.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, and look at this. It's actually one of those
ones where it is easy to fail because you know,
if the car stops and you take that opportunity to
go but the engine's still running, you're doing the right
thing doing the wrong thing, And that's about sick and
guessing yourself in the moment. But you've got to be
prepared to make the jump as well. Pull JR. Fugel
jumped out of the car. His legs are still be
Where are you going, Jeff? Are you gonna swimming away?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Mate?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
At least he managed to get his hands free. Both
Millie and Rihanna.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Both of them could didn't get anything free.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
They were just loving their titan going for a joy ride.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Nah, nah, you've got as soon as you're in the boot,
you've got to free your hands, free your legs, you know,
prep the door, and be ready to roll. I think
that that is kind of a basic minimum. But full
credit to Melissa. Were so smart, so well timed, and
off like a shot at exactly the right moment. The
DS will read that heavily for me.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
She has just separated herself from everyone else. She has
now put herself and I said to herself, right up
the top yep, amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, she's definitely pushed her way to the top there.
This episode marked the half way mark through this selection
course and to this point where you start to look
back and you look at everything you've been through, the beatings,
the challenges, the blisters, the bruises, and think to yourself,
have I got another week of that in me? Oh?
It's half going. Day seven is starting to wear physically,
(13:03):
very heavily on the recruits. Do you remember what you
were thinking around about day seven?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I do, Actually, I remember going, this group that we've
got now is more than capable, Like everyone in this
group that we had about halfway mark was capable. And
I think that's when you really need to lean on
each other and stick together and almost help each other
get along because it's a very united group that's going
(13:28):
to go for the next couple of days. So I
remember that clearly. I also remember knowing, like, how much
worse can it really get?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Physically?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Like I felt like physically I didn't think it was
going to get any harder. I just felt like mentally
we were going to be tested a lot you know,
with fatigue and lack of food, we're getting less and
less food every day, and we still had a week
of that. So I just knew that it was going
to go to a whole other level.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, it's interesting, like, you know, this period of the
course I think started to galvanize. And what I'm not
seeing in this group is that uniform solidarity amongst people.
You know, they're not even in factions. It just seems
like people are all too scared to unite or reluctant to.
I don't know, the unity there. It seems lacking. What
do you think of this as kind of preventing them from,
(14:18):
you know, being a team.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I don't know, Like I just feel like maybe a
few of them are lacking confidence. Even with Anna Heinrich,
she's been smashing it. She said herself, she can't even
see herself at the end. Like the only person I felt, like,
you know, had extreme confidence was Bass. So I feel
like it's partly confidence. I think the other part is
(14:40):
the division between Paulie and Lockey, and no one jumped
in to try and help. You know, no one really
got together early, and I think they've almost left it
too late, like it's a week in and you're not
helping each other. I remember on our season day one,
you've got people, you know, helping you putting your clothes on,
or people making your beds. Ye, people helping filling up
(15:03):
the water bottles, helping cutting the wood, like all of
those things drying your clothes that happened day one yep,
for us, absolutely, And I haven't even seen that one
of those things happen for them, so I don't know.
I don't know if it will happen.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
And the thing is like those small things that you
do in the accommodation by looking after each other when
you know other people's clothes are wet, and getting fires
going and everything, and serving food and making sure people
are okay and helping with any strapping or anthing like that.
That bonding that will then be taken out on the course. Yeah,
you know. And the course should also to bring that
bonding back into the accommodation.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And it's pretty worrying at this stage because you will
need each other in the back end. Is it is
so exhausting I cannot even explain. And you can't do
it by yourself, you really can't. And the whole purpose
of this course and the point of making selection is
can those ds see themselves beside you? Can they trust
you with their backs? And at the moment is worrying
(16:01):
that no one's really working together as a team. If
you want to go far, you you know, you've got
to go together. You can't, you can't go alone. And
so right now something needs to change with that dynamic
because it's probably looking only one or two. Maybe Max
will pass selection at this stage.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, I'm interested to see whether or not that dynamical
change if a couple of key people are either culd
or break down. And I have to say it, I
think it would be you know, poorly and lucky. You
have created such a caustic dynamic within that group that
if they one or both are not there, it could
change the dynamic and bang it. You know, you could
see something just emerge. And I think it will come
(16:39):
from the women. You know, I think that their relationship
or their lack of it, has affected the entire group
from day one. If that's gone, and the DAIS might
say this, I don't know, if they are gone changes
the dynamic. You could see some real leaders come through.
And next week is when it is going to get
very serious. Once you start pushing into day eight, day nine,
and day ten, that's when it just starts to take
(17:01):
a huge toll on your body and on your mind.
So looking forward to that, well, we always knew that
there was going to be a hand to hand combat
challenge SABS, and this one's a little bit different. It
was King of the Ring or Queen of the Ring.
No punch is thrown, but a really brutal tussle to
throw your opponent out of the ring, so brutal in fact,
that there was a serious injury. Barry Hall and Lockeye
(17:23):
first in there, two massive units, but didn't go Barry's way.
I did it no, and I.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Was a bit disappointed because I felt like that controlled
aggression was due for him. I felt like the DS
were almost waiting for that to come out, and I
was disappointed because I felt like this could have been
an easy win if he just tapped into that. I
know he's capable.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's a bit worrying when you're more terrified of a
bloke from the Bachelor than you are from his AFL enforcer. Well,
credit to Locke, he played it well. Barry severely injured, though, like,
you know, that reb was horrific, bad injury to you know,
ultimately one he couldn't.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, with an injury like that, it could get so
much worse. I think we talk about injury a lot
on this course, but I think that's probably the one
injury that if it was sustained myself, I probably would
have had to really think about staying on because you know,
anything could happen, you could puncture along.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I think as much as it was it was terrible
for him, I think he made the right decision.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
One of the battles I liked, although it was one
of those moments when I was watching and I went ooh,
was when Anna and Paully bashed heads for the first time,
and that first battle was like, oh my god. But
Anna eventually won that and beat poorly in that competition.
That says so much she's gone another level. That one.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I love the.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Fact that even though it is combat, it because it
is hand to hand, it's not just physicality. You can
use people's weight against you know, the angles that you're
coming in from. It is probably more mental actually than
it is physical. And I think one person that really
let me down was Ebony for a living you you know,
(19:08):
you're a fighter. I understand boxing is very different, but
you use aggression in your sport, and she could not
translate that, you know, over into this into this task.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean I would say I didn't see as much
aggression from Barry Hall as I expected either, So you know,
it's it's interesting how people change once you're in that environment.
But just when the recruits thought that the battle was done,
we then get and all in it was.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
God, oh it was awesome to watch. Lockie of course
prevailed dominant performance. Yes, but again, like you know, just
picked his timing. It was really kind of like do
or die stuff, good scrap.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
As soon as he said royal rumble, it took me
back to being a kid watching w W. I was
just loving every second of it. But the one thing
I will say with Lockie, I love the fact that
he got the job done. He put his head down
and just really pushed to try and get them all
out as quick as possible, and I think that it
was a much deserved win for him.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Look, he did well on that absolutely. Unfortunately, you know,
later on in the mirror room, we saw him talk
about how his own selfishness kills him and that he
wish that he could do better and stuff like that,
and then the DS called him out on it, like
he's going, I wish I could change it and it
kills me that I'm selfish, and then the DAS is
cooled bullshit on it. Olie just goes, you're just saying
(20:37):
what you want us to hear. You get nothing past
these guys.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You really really don't. They're just masters in it. You know,
they're watching everything and they're almost waiting, almost setting traps
for you, like they're waiting for you to say certain
things because they've prepared something later. And I think that
for me, it probably took me day four on the
course to realize that every thing is intentional and they
(21:01):
really are waiting for you individually.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
You all have your moments. I'm interested to see how.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
These guys are going with it, if they've even clicked
onto that yet.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
It's everything is a trap. Everything is a trap. Every
time they do something, it has a reason to purpose
or it is a trap. And I think with LOCKI
I think, you know, maybe he's used to being able
to use those charms and those techniques in reality shows
or in society where he can get people to feel
for him. And they were just like, mate, we see
(21:33):
straight through you like a pane of glass. I was like,
they've absolutely got his number totally. So I'm looking forward
to seeing what happens with LOCKI in the future as well.
I think next week is going to be massive. But
somebody who is absolutely massive figuratively literally is big Bad
Barry Hall and he joins us next on the debrief.
(21:59):
Well Sabrina and I both had him picked to be
standing there at the very end, but unfortunately injuries saw
him end his time on Essays Australia. Burry Hall, thanks
for joining us on the debrief, mate.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Thanks sure much.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Have you met So good to see you, Baz straight
off the bat, I'm gutted for you man. Both me
and Mes had you going through at the end and
seeing you go down with that rib, oh, absolutely heartbroken.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I just want to say, how is it? How is
it now? Like, how are you going?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Yeah? Look the ribs, the rib's fine. Yeah, it was
just one of those freak accidents. I guess you know.
I tried to throw trow Locke, who's one hundred and
ten kilos and a big fella and it just popped
out dessicated rib and yeah, I knew straight away something happened.
And then we had a couple more wrestles we had
to do, which I didn't do that well in but yes,
we got through it. And then once I got back
(22:50):
to camp and totally cooled down, I thought, geez, I'm
in trouble now. You know. I couldn't even get my berger.
I thought, geez, can I can I get through this?
You know a little other halfway and I'd sort of
knuckle down and get through this. But after not being
able to get my bag on, and I thought, you know,
I don't hold the rest up. So had to make
the call. And as men said, it's just not your time.
(23:12):
And that's just one of the sayings they have that
injury sometimes just force you into these decisions. So I
would love to will been there at the end, you know,
that was my goal, but just just wasn't my time.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Mate. It's it was a pretty serious injury that you had.
I mean, just so the rip has dislocated from where
did they come from? The ernimal from the back and
it's kind of pushed around. Is that what happened? Yeah, right,
a couch Jesus.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yeah, it was. It wasn't good. And this was one
of those ones where I thought, I'm just I'm not
going to be able to do what's coming up. You know,
by the end of each season they sort of ramp
up stuff, so I thought, jeez, I'm going to struggle.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So it just wasn't to be something I just want
to chat to you about.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
You could see in the episodes and prodding you and
trying to get that aggression out of you, you know
that we've seen in the past on the footy field,
but you almost didn't use that aggression, and you sort
of touched on the fact that it's not really there anymore.
It's not really a part of you anymore. Why didn't
you get that aggression out?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Look, it's still in there, but it's deep deep down.
You know. It's one of those things that when I
was a competitive sportsman, I could click it on like that.
But but now you know, you're a little bit older
and wiser. I've got some little eyes that are watching me,
and you know, I don't need to do it anymore.
I probably didn't need to do it back in the day. Yeah,
(24:33):
it's still in there, but I just don't feel like
I need to any more. And I'm sort of a
character that's pretty a pretty cruisy sort of guy. I'm not,
you know, I'm not a raving lunatic. I'm just a
very cruisy guy who's competitive and you know, if I
get pushed as a competitor, and you know, it's obviously
still in there deep down, but you know, it's not
(24:53):
something that I can just flick a switch. Now I've
probably out grown it, which which is probably the best
way to describe it. I've probably grown and grown up
a little bit. The chip on my shoulders not there anymore.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, it's great to see, like I mean, having followed
your career through footing, being you know, a huge AFL
fan and watching you play football live, like you know,
you always look like you were on the way to
break somebody, and then in this show it does look
like a maturity, like there has been a change in
your life. Obviously, family, having kids, having a missus, that relationship,
everything that you've got going on you has pacified what
(25:26):
was a hulk like mentality before it. So you know,
and the fact of the matter is is that that's
the where your future is anyway, isn't it? You know,
you only you only want to soften further. Not too
much bad, hasn't it.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
But yeah, look, and I've done a lot of work
on myself and it sounds really silly, but after my
AFL career, I've done a lot of work on myself
and I just do stuff now that serves me and
stuff that's going to help me. And you know, getting
angry and breaking stuff or breaking people, isn't it doesn't
help me or serve me. It's just one of those things.
(25:56):
It's it's a development growth thing that I've I've sort
of done personally, which is held quite a bit. There's
no point getting anxious and uptight and aggressive, and if
you don't need to, you're just wasting energy for something
that you could be doing in a good way. So
I've grown up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, well done.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
You touched on that aggression piece.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
There's an altercation that happens with Richard butt Rose and
Aunt Middleton straight after the Tug.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Of War.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Americ and I just we're watching him, We're going, oh
my goodness, no one, I've never seen anyone have the
courage to talk back to Aunt Middleton, let alone swear
or tell him to shut up?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Was it that? Was it genuinely just Richard thinking that they.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Were picking on him, or was it something bigger than that,
Like what was going on there?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
I was confused because Richard was actually sat beside me
and we're sitting on our bergens, and then all of
a sudden he snapped and then started yelling at people,
and he jumped up, and there was an area we
couldn't go outside of. They you don't go past that
long that rock, and he's gone out past it. So
I'm sitting there going, what are you doing? Rich rich
And he walked past and started storming up to the
(27:04):
d s's. I think he went to Dean Scott yeah,
and started yelling in his face. And I'm like, is
this really happening because we obviously didn't see what happens, yeah,
in the tug war and then all that that was
all hidden from us, and I thought, you this guy
just lost the plot.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
It was a little bit unlike Richard because he's been
pretty cool, calm and collecting, yeah, and it was just
unlike him. Yeah, and then to do what he done,
I've never seen that happen.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So I've never seen that happen.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I was more, I was more fearful for us, And.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, you could have
all copped a massive beasting for his work, but you know,
it was it was interesting that the ant seemed to
be quite calm about it all and even kind of
gave him a second opportunity when you got back to
base though, it seemed as though the d S had
needled him. They got into him the way they tried
to open up a crack, put a wedge in there,
(28:00):
and he was gone, then, wasn't he He just wasn't able
to come back from it.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah. Yeah, he was sort of saying to us, you know,
he's going to be edited and viewed in a certain
way which he wanted to get away from, and that's
the reason why he was doing the show, which, look,
I understand, but you can't be that parentoly going into
a show like I think, looking back on maybe you'd
look at it in a different way. But yeah, I'm
(28:24):
actually thankful that they did grab his number, because if
he did, they want to give us an almighty beast thing.
That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Well, Berry, we would speak to him, but he's only
allowed one call to day and he's already used it.
So do you accept no from inmate number five?
Speaker 4 (28:49):
I'd like that the interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Battle that we've been following his viewers is locky and poorly.
I mean, it's so intense. Was it really disruptive and
corrosive to the group? Will you guys talking about it
that we didn't see? Were you guys talking about how
much of an effect it was having on you guys
as a group in the accommodation? How was that dynamic
affecting you and your time in there?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
To be perfectly honest, and you know, with some of
the stuff that's aired at the moment, and everyone's caught
a bit of backlash because they haven't supported poorly, but
the narrative of that stage and what we heard was
probably a totally different thing. You know. I obviously didn't
see what happened on the course and their arguments, and
I tried to stay out of it. Totally different to
(29:31):
what I viewed it in there. I'm watching it on TV.
I was like, oh, well I've got a totally different
view on that now. Yeah, yeah, in there, I didn't
realize poorly put the olive branch out and it was
almost knocked back. Otherwise, if I don't, I know who
would have went to paul and say, look, you know,
just leave it and give him a little bit of support,
because it does look like he's getting up on a
little bit. So I'm a bit disappointed in that. But
(29:54):
I didn't do that. I just tried to stay out
of it. The whole thing was a little bit childish.
We're in a unique situation that, you know, everyone's senses
are heightened and your emotions are running high, and things
are happening out of the norm. You know, stuff like
this does happen. But yeah, from being in there to
watching it on TV, it's a totally different aspect of
what I thought it was. To be honest.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
The one thing that happened a couple of weeks ago
that a pointed out was, you know, the voodoo cast
spelled Locke's put.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
On you guys.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
He almost did in a way, because all those conversations
that he had with Paulie, he kept to himself. He
didn't say any of that to you guys, which change
is the narrative of everything.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Absolutely, yeah, And that's sort of what I'm talking about,
is I'm not signing with anyone, But what I sensed
in there, yep, and what I've heard to what I've
seen on TV and some of the conversations they had
was a totally different outlook. And I wish I had
to know a little bit better. You know, I would
probably would have supported Paulie a little bit more without
getting involved, because it's not my place. There are two
own men. They're going to sort it out. You know,
(30:55):
we're teammates and we're going to get on with it.
So I did feel bad for Paulie, to be perfectly honest.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Let's talk about the great stuff from SAS Australia, which
is the you know, the actions that you go on,
the challenges that you face. When Sebs and I watch it,
there's always ones where we go, oh god, I wish
I could have been pepper spread in the face and
your time there, what was your your favorite one and
your least favorite one?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Either had the helicopters at the bottom.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Of the helicopters, just you know, unreal.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I can't wait to show my kids out when they're
you know, that's that's money can't buy experiences. They're they're
they're the ones you look at and you know if
you do that on the outside, you do a full
day safety briefing, you all sorts of stuff. You guys know,
we had a thirty second briefing.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, you're in.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It was awesome. I love that. That's that's great. Yeah,
that was That was absolutely the favorite, you know, I
think that was everyone's favorite.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
To be perfect, it's unreal.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
And the worst one was the peppers Pray for me.
That was I was a total idiot. I fully opened
eye because I didn't think you could.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I saw it. It's Barry got googles on that I
cannot see. They said to go into things with open eyes, Berry,
but you really did.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Like I was like, what the.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
And then everyone when I got back to camp, so
I was horrible, And then they all said they closed
their eyes and wiping. I was like, I don't think
you could. To take it. Open mind always lifts into
the brief. No one said you have all your eyes open.
Oh yeah, that's next level. And going into our season
only had four days.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Notice what's the story behind that? Four days? Notice? Why
is that?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah? I don't give any secrets or but I think
someone may have got injured coming in. Okay, So I
was a little bit worried because you know, I hadn't
trained for it. I didn't have a set of boots,
I didn't have the backpack to training.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
We all know the most underrated injury in the world
in world sport is blisters. One blister's going into this scene.
But luckily touched what. I just kept tipping my feet up,
and you know, that was fine.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
That's that's awesome. I was late call up. I got
a couple of weeks and that was still tough. That's insane.
A few days notice, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I know what it's like. I only had eight months.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Oh god, I'm just gonna I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Gonna say that, Like, obviously it's not the way you
wanted to go out. Do you feel like you got
what you needed? Did you feel like you took something
away from that experience.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
I feel like it's not finished, to be honest. Yeah,
I went in there to complete it, regardless of preparation,
regardless of ending. I went in there to complete it.
I thought I was in a good headspace. I thought
I was you know, physically, I was okay, and then
just a stupid freak injury kicked me out. So that
sort of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, I guess,
but you know, it feels like I was in a
(34:00):
really good place to complete it, and you know, to
have to go out that way it was. It's a
bit unsettling for me, but look, it's something that I'll
look back on and thoroughly enjoy watching with my boys.
And I really enjoyed the physical part of it, and
I was in it mentally as well.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
But hopefully you get a call up to go again
and give them a second opportunity. You know, both Sabs
and I thought that you would be there standing at
the end for sure. It was an absolute pleasure to
watch you on the TV show. We loved it, and
we're very disappointed to see you go out with an injury,
but absolutely no shame in it at all.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Thanks guys, great show. Hopefully all star series we get
a call up and we might all see you in
there together.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Great you will never ever see me there again.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Give him eight months notice and he will be there.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I've had to go. Thanks very much, Baz, all the
best of you, mate, Thanks very much, Thanks Faz.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Going guys, thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Okay, Saves, let's have a look at the state of
play where one week into the course, halfway there, we
made some predictions at the very start of this season
to see who would go. There's probably some changes there
and also to a few people still in there, but
let's have a look at which recruits are just hanging
in there and who might be next to go. Who
do you reckon is in trouble from here? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, I mean there's nine recruits that remain, and I
think the ones that are in trouble. For me, paul
is a massive one. He's isolated himself too much. I
think he's pretty much gone at this point. I think
Lockie's another one. He's done a bit to recover, but
I still think he's in that boat.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And Ebonie for me, just hasn't hit the mark. You know,
either she's got something brewing and it's ready to go
in the next couple of you know, episodes, or I
think she's in trouble.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, i'd agree. I reckon Ebonie and Paulie are in
a bit of strife physically. I don't reckon they're you know,
at a point now that they're going to be able
to go much further. But paul his body language is worrying.
He's like he's really his eyes down, he's isolating himself,
as you're saying, that's just not a place that you
want to be and it's not indicative of somebody who's
going to go to the very end. Interesting with Lockie though,
(36:11):
of course, those abs because he's absolutely capable, and he
seems to be getting more capable physically, but he's still
got that you know, albatross hanging around his neck of
poor attitude that the DS cited very early, and I
don't know if he can shake that off.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I think he probably showed his true self a little
bit too early. I think it's going to be the
detriment to him in the end.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
It's a shame.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
He's more than capable, but you know, in a course
like this, that's not enough to get you pie ye
who surprised you? You know, out of the nine recruits left,
who actually you know is there that you probably didn't
think would be.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I Reckon Hughes is doing better than I thought, and
I'm rapped for it. Like he's just starting to understand.
He's really conscious of where he is and what is required.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
He's almost like a bit of a dark horse. Yeah, almost, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I think so. Like I mean, I wouldn't be surprised
if hughs went all the way to the final four
because he's got a comprehension of what is going on
and that is so important. You know, he's physically in
the mix with most things. You know, he gets something's
right and something's wrong, but he's really aware of it.
He's a bit of a dark horse. I really like Anna.
I think Anna Heinrich is just doing so well. I
(37:21):
think she's really switched on. All she needs is that
self belief and she could have a really very very
strong finish, but that's the whole thing off. If she can,
it's like Milly. If Millie can kind of take it
to another level as well, she could be in the
real mix as well.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I mean, the benefit is we're halfway, so it does
give those ones that are on the fence a couple
of days to get themselves going and really assert themselves
and see themselves at the end.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Well. In our first picks, Sabs, we both had Barry
Hall Marry's VW through injury. I had Rihianna. I think
that she was in the top four for me. I'm
still confident she could be in there. I had Lucky Gilbert,
but I see from the get go that he'd probably
make it to the end, but not pass. I don't
even know if he'll make it to me and he
could get cold. But the interesting one that we haven't
had a chat about, and he's been a very much
(38:08):
a gray man, Darius Boyd has been very quiet.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know, he was both in our top picks and
very much the gray men, which we've seen in all seasons.
The gray man you need to have that balance and
know when the time is to step up and have
the confidence and show what you're made of. In the
past seasons we've had, you know, Mags in our season
didn't show enough. It was almost too little, too late.
(38:34):
Last season was Stefo the same, you know, made it
to the end, but didn't show enough until late at
the end. I'm just worried with Darius that he's not
going to have that opportunity. He's going to leave it
too late and just be that gray man that never
ye never shone, you know, I never really got that chance.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, i'd agree. You know, he's got to have that
moment where the d is turn around and go. That
was awesome because otherwise, like you say, he'll just be
there at the end, but there'll be no consideration for him.
He's got to stand out. So it'd be interesting to
see how he goes in the next couple of episodes
as people start to wear down as well. All right, Sabs,
So your top picks at the start were Barry Hall,
Darius Boyd, Rihanna Crean. From this point on, who's going
(39:15):
to be there the final four?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I think I'm going to keep it with Darius and Rihanna.
I think that's still very capable and I think they've
still got a couple of days to really assert themselves
to the top. But I'm probably going to also add
in Anna Heinrich and Melissa Wu. Yep, those two for
me are just their front runners now that they're a
step above the rest.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, I'm going to go I'm going to change it
a little bit. I reckon Anna, Melissa Wu, and I'm
going to say Darius Boyd and Hugel.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
It's a good pick, he would, Yeah, that was close
for me.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, It's it's tough. It's tough from here because, as
you and I both know, the next couple of days
in their world is going to be absolutely punishing. Next
week will be brutal, no doubt, so we'll see who emerges.
We'll get a better picture I reckon in next week's episode. Well, guys,
thanks very much for listening. A new episode drops every Wednesday,
(40:09):
and keep your eyes open on Friday for a bonus
mini episode where Sabrina and I interrogate one of the recruits.
To make sure you don't miss a thing, watch SAS
Australia on Channel seven and seven plus and catch the
SAS Australia debrief on the iHeartRadio app. See you next time,
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