Let's talk FINAL SELECTION 🏅

17 daring celebrity recruits accepted the call to take part in TV’s toughest challenge, but only 3 remained when it came to final selection. For the final time this season Merrick & Sabrina catch up with the THREE women who impressed the hell out of Australia. Melissa Wu, Riana Crehan, and Millie Boyle join The Debrief and share insight into their impressive journey through the SAS Australia course. They also reveal their true thoughts on Locky Gilbert. Watch season two of SAS Australia on Channel 7 and 7plus.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, seventeen daring celebrity recruits accepted the call to take
part in TV's toughest challenge, but only three remained when
it came to final selection. I'm Merck Watts joined by
Sabrenda Frederick here to break down the finale of SAS
Australia Steps. We'll get a little bit more into it later,
but quick thoughts on the final selection.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think with who's surprise to
see those three at the end. They definitely had their
moments to shine. But I was a little bit disappointed
that Melissa Wu wasn't in that group. I loved what
she brought to the course, So yeah, a little bit disappointed,
but also congratulations to those three.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah. Coming up, we will be joined by the Wu
pon Melissa Wu, who hasn't given her a great little nickname,
a se if she likes it or hates it. We'll
chat about her time on the show, and we discussed
the peer group assessment that has Lockie leave the tribe,
plus our deeper thoughts on the final selection before we're
joined by Rihanna Kran and Millie Boyle to discuss them
passing SAS Australia's selection. So let's get into it. Okay,

(01:05):
So let's talk about episode twelve. The five remaining recruits
look to make the final push to the very end
of the course, but it was never going to be easy,
and as the theme of the episode would suggest, the
recruits would need to muster all of their strength to
make it through. Melissa will be joining us in just
a minute, so let's talk about her time on the show.
I think she was an absolute standout and I was

(01:26):
really gutted to see her take herself off the course sebs.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, I was the same.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I was screaming at the TV saying, no, don't hand
it in. But she's been really consistent and absolute strength.
The one thing I will say about her is no
fuss like, no complaints and to be honest, at the
detriment of herself. I think at the beginning we didn't
get to see much of her, and it's probably because
she didn't draw much attention to herself, just got on
with it and got the task done.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
But I loved it about her.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I loved the fact that she just got the work done,
didn't complain, you know, face her fears with all the
water tasks, got on with it and absolutely smashed it.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I loved seeing it.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Disappointed she fell short, but you know, without the injury,
who knows what would have happened.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Look, the only time I ever saw any fault with
her was during that ice break of drill where they
had to jump into the ice. It is quite confronting,
you know. We did it underneath like a frozen river.
And it's not just about having a cold bath, is
it Like it literally freezes your brain for a second,
but that hesitation standing on the edge there. Yeah, I
was thinking, is this dramatic pause for television or is
this real fear? And it was. It was real fear

(02:29):
about going in. But again she still managed to go
and do it.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I mean she's been saying this whole time she's worried
about cold water, and that's probably the coldest water she
would have gone through.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
And we both been there.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
As soon as you hit the water, your whole body
is basically paralyzed, and she would have known that going
into it. I love the fact though it didn't hold
her back, you know. Yeah, it steadied her a bit
and she was taking a bit of time to get
in there, but she still took it on. She could
have handed her number in right there and then and
she didn't, So credit to her for going on with it.
I'm sure she would have built confidence from that.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
And they all pass through, with the exception of Lockey,
who You know, that's a critical moment. You have to
pass that test, you really do, because it's about your
ability to absorb information, retain information, critical information. And I
know it seems like just a small thing to people
who are viewing it, going, oh, well, of course he
would forget the lock number. You should never forget the
lock number. You know. Every recruit is given a little notepad,

(03:24):
as you know, sebs, and when we're on course, we're
taking notes on everything, making sure that we were consolidating
this information in case we needed at any time. So
for me, like, it's not actually a small thing, it's
a really critical element that he forgot there.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, And I think that this course is based on
a real life course they do in the military, and
for them it's a matter of life and death. All
that information, you know, that could keep you alive, and
they pride themselves on keeping that information locked in their mind.
And the recruits would have known that, they would have
known that they would have had to remember everything and
all their surroundings. And the one thing that has been

(04:00):
tripping Lockie up, which has been a disappointment, because he's
so capable in every other area. He's physically capable in tasks,
it's a thinking soldier component and that is the majority
of what they're looking for. You need to be able
to take in information under pressure and execute. I feel
like he's maybe missing the importance of that just as

(04:21):
much as the physical part of the task.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Unfortunately, we lost our little mate Melissa wo. I was
gutted when if so, it was like she unfortunately went
in the critical equipment extraction, which was the five colomitter
run through swamplands and mangroves, which I think you know,
even though you and I have not actually done that,
I think we could happily describe that as total shit.
That looked awful.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, that terrain probably the worst that I have seen.
It would have been extremely hard, and the amount of
cuts and bruises they would have got just through the
man grows alone, Yeah, it would have been tough. You know,
if her back was giving her that much grief, you
can totally understand why she was thinking maybe a liability
to the team.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Now, I really.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Need to step back, and to be honest, thank god
she did because we found out that they only just
made it in time to pass. That if she stayed on,
who knows if they would have passed in the end,
which it's all about knowing when you're a liability. Credit
to her because she's put the team first the entire course.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, and you know what I really like about it, Sabs,
You and I both know that was not an excuse.
She was not saying, oh, look, I'm doing this for
the team, but really she wanted out. She didn't want out.
She one hundred percent did it entirely for that group.
So like it gives an extra level of credit that
I haven't seen with a lot of VW's. It was
absolutely sincerely for the teams.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Let's talk about.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
That moment with Aunt in the medical bay with Mel
after she vw' he said to her that he would
have her on his team. Is that almost as good
as passing selection?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I'd have to say yes. That deep into the course,
she's so close. She withdrew because of injury and because
she was holding back her team, but she'd shown so
much him saying that says that she had or has
what it takes to pass selection. Unfortunately, you know, like
Barry Hall, unable to get through through injury. But yeah,

(06:15):
massive credit to her definitely having aunts. That is a
huge credit. And speaking of Melissa Wu, she's taking a
break from her Commonwealth Games preparation just to chat to
us about her time on the course that's up next. Well,
she dove deep into the Essas Australia course and impressed
the hell out of us. We even had her Peeda

(06:35):
as one of our favorites, but a back injury slowed
her down and it was on the second to last
day Melissa Wu handed in her armband. She joins us
now on the debrief to discuss her time on selection. Melissa,
great to have you on the show. Thanks very much
for joining us.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yes meal, Hey you guys.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Firstly, how are you feelings? Have you pulled up physically?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
I have.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
I'm on the mend, which is good.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
I'm mak him some steps forward, which is great because
it was a bit slow for a while. There still
been a bit annoying your back injury, especially with my
body already not being the youngest and having to get
into those tight little positions and diving.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
It's been a little bit of a challenge for me.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
We'd twins, mel we both suffered back injuries on the course. Yeah,
how is it now, Like, is it affecting your training
and your Commonwealth Games prep?

Speaker 4 (07:24):
It is still?

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Yeah, it has been really challenging. I can at least
like Tuck and Pike a little bit easier now. Still
I haven't got much extension, which I need for a
lot of my takeoffs as well. But basically it's just
day to day still really painful and just hampered movement,
especially in the morning, so a bit rough. It happened
during that midnight beasting with the ice and the boats,
and the boat came down on me and I was

(07:46):
fully flexed on the ground with the boat on top
of me, and it was just that really hard impact
that did it. And I just haven't been quite good
off the top of it yet. But it is getting better,
which is really good, and I'm just using it as
an opportunity to, I guess, learn from the course, learn
those that are of that mindset sort of stuff that
I've that I used on the course, and basically try
and stay positive and move forward.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
They say that you don't commit to the course without
coming out with an injury, and I'm sure anyone that's
been on the course would that exactly.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think you've done it right. Injury
or ailment. That's part of the course.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
How much did you enjoy the beastings?

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Was?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
It a fun time because when we were watching it,
we look that looks unreal they've got and everything.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
It was pretty cool. It was really unexpected. I just remember,
especially because when.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
We got broken up at midnight, you're still sort of
a bit groggy, a bit drowsy, and just as soon
as I saw the ice in the boat, I was like,
oh no. And then that first dip into the into
the boat underneath the seat, was that was enough to
wake you up at that time of night.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, it was pretty crazy, but pretty cool. I didn't
mind the beast things.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Actually, for me, that easier than getting to and from
some of the tasks with the burken on my back.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Watching you throughout the course, we've loved it. And Mary
actually has a nickname for you, the whoop On, and
we've just we loved your journey and to be honest,
watching you VW I was screaming at the TV and I.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Was absolutely devastated.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
But despite your exit, you know you should be so
happy and so proud of your result.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
You never complained, even.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
When you were even when you were backing your head
on the ground, you never complained. And when you were done,
you didn't hold the team back, you didn't hold anyone back.
Watching it back, how do you feel, How do you
feel about your performance, how you went?

Speaker 5 (09:31):
Yeah, I definitely at the time never really knew how
I was going.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
I think that was the hardest thing.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Yeah, sort of day to day thing for maybe I
was okay, maybe I wasn't, And you just I think
I'm used to as an athlete of always striving for
the next thing, so that came quite naturally to me.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Obviously, are the things I.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Did better than others and other things that I did
a bit easier. But I think at the end of
the day that VW I knew at that point in
time that I wasn't as fast as the others, I
wasn't as fit, had that back injury holding me back,
and at the end of there was going to be
the liability for the team and I stopping their progress.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
And definitely hampering what they could do.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
So I knew that the time was right for me,
and I still think that that was a good decision
at the time, And I think that's part of.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
What you learn on the course.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
It's not just about you, it's not about being selfish,
about being a team player and being there for your teammate.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Absolutely, it was a pretty admirable way to VW. Obviously
you did it for the other recruits. We could see
that as well. But it must have stung that, you know,
you had to walk away, given that you've done so
many great things individually as well, you know, like getting
across that cat crawl was insanely good. When you'd VWED.
Did you feel as though you had any regret instantly

(10:36):
or was it later on that you had a regret.
I mean, you look back at it now and so
that was the right decision, but it was there regret.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I don't think there was regret.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
I think definitely at the time I knew it was
the right decision, and then looking back, maybe it wasn't regret,
but I wished I could have pushed a bit harder,
or gone a bit further, or not being the one
that was going to let the team down. But I
think it's easy to say when you're off the course
and the comfort of your own home, you know not
I hungry all those things. I think at the time
it was a lot for me. It was almost two

(11:04):
weeks of just that relentless, constant physical and mental activity,
and that was challenging, and I think it just gradually
wears you down. And there was only so far I
could go with fitness, not having done much of that
and only having a short piove of time to prepare
before the course.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Throughout the course, we both know, to get praise from
the dis is absolute gold.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean you don't.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Really get much of them throughout the whole entire course.
But and saying that he'd have you on his team
like at the end, that in my opinion, is a
past you know he for me, that's that is a
huge part, because that's what that's what they're looking for
in the days, looking for someone that they would have
beside them. The experience in itself, was there something that

(11:50):
was your favorite or your least favorite in there?

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Definitely favorites were like anything with the helicopters, I absolutely
love that stuff. Jumping from the to the chopper there
when we had to partners across each other underneath it.
Even helicopter ebstraction after the survival task was just amazing.
I loved all that stuff. Probably the worst thing for
me were definitely the water. Yeah, big time early on,

(12:16):
and I remember just laying in bed at night thinking, Okay,
if I could get through day one and two with
the plane and then the beehive, I.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Was like, I can get through anything.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
And I was constantly had a lot of anxiety in
there about upcoming water tasks, and we you know, we
had Clinton's study and we knew that there was going
to be more water and water almost every day, and
that gave me a lot of anxiety. So then I
guess every time I overcame the water, like in the
beach beasting and then even the ice bath challenge that
was that was quite tough for me as well. So
overcoming those I think were a huge achievement for me.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
But obviously, conversely, you know, you excelled in anything to
do with height, so cat crawl, none of that stuff
phrased you, because I presume because you know, you used
to diving off a platform, so the height is probably
not as scary for you. Because it's something that i've
I love it. There's usually one in every series. I
think I had a touch of it in the first series,
which is what I call laser face, which is when

(13:08):
somebody's face turned just turns into a laser. And when
you went across that care, Crawls went look at.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
The laser on that one.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
It was insane in that moment, that really focused moment.
You know, is that a byproduct, I suppose of your
diving career.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
I think so.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
I think there's plenty of times on the course where
you've got pressure on you. But in that particular moment,
Aunt told me not one, but literally like three times,
this is for your place on the course. And each
time he said it, his voice got loud, it was,
you know, with even more sort of passion. The last
time he said it, so I was like, Okay, he's
dead serious. If I don't win this thing, that's my
place on the course. And so I think that that

(13:44):
just made me really switch on and focus, and I
knew that there was only one option, and that was
to get their cross as fast as they could.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
As a professional athlete, Mel You've pushed yourself your entire career,
but this experience is unlike any other, and for me,
I felt like it was absolutely life changing. I came
out of there and felt like I could take things
for the rest of my life. Was there something more
that you gained from this course that maybe you wouldn't

(14:13):
have thought?

Speaker 5 (14:14):
Definitely, I really wanted to do this course because I've
just dived my whole life and even though that has
given me so many life skills and a lot of
mental strength and resilience, I think even though you're doing
that and you're constantly pushing the boundaries, you're still in
this world of what you know and what you're comfortable doing,
and this course really pushed me outside of that to
dig deep and use those skills I learned or find

(14:36):
new skills and environment that was completely new to me.
A bit scary sometimes and just I think just too
worrying that always that worry that you're going to fail
at something, that you're not going to be any good.
So for me, I think this course is just it
was as hard as it was. I did all I
could talk about after and it was straight off the
back of the Olympics, and no one in my family
has heard anything about Tokyo.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
All I put.

Speaker 7 (14:56):
Wasa and I just absolutely I love that.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah, what's hard. I would remember this experience for the
rest of my life.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, you did an incredible job. Can I ask your
personal question, mel do you are you a drinking Do
you drink very much?

Speaker 4 (15:11):
No? No, my family not dig drinkers. I'm too old
now to drink. I can't recover last.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Enough because I asked that, because the way you recovered
from that face plant, you look like a professional drunk.
When you got a guest and you hit the ground,
I went, oh, she must be a very good drinker.
And then two minutes later you were back on your feet.
I went, she's a professional drunk.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
Well maybe now I've never been that level of drunk,
but now I know how to respond, so maybe I
should let loose all to worry.

Speaker 7 (15:42):
Now.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I call those saturdays.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Honestly, like I always talk about in the course, like
just getting on with it and dealing with well, basically
getting comfortable with the uncomfortable, and that that there was
a huge nod from me, like and most people in
that circumstance would probably milk that and taken as much
time as they needed, probably complained about it. But just

(16:08):
the way that you went about it, but I thought
you were going to go the whole stint.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Do you feel like you could have made it?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Watching it back now, do you and reflecting, do you
think you could have gone the whole wave it wasn't
for the back injury.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
I think I definitely would have pushed further than I
did on the task that I ve ewed on. I
think in the back of my mind I knew, you know,
I didn't know what it was yet it was pretty bad.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
I could barely lift the burgen.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
Up and I have very limited movement, so I think
that part of me was worried about what was to
come with my career in diving, So I think I
probably could have pushed a little bit further than that
if I didn't have that to worry about.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Whether or not I made it through that task, that's.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Another thing, But I think I definitely would have done
everything I could to stay with the team and to
try and make it to the end so if I could.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
And that task was brutal, by the way, one of
the worst that I've seen.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Absolutely terrible cutos to the team forre goetting through that one.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I'll tell you what those sads is, right when you
came out of the gas and hit the ground, I
went ooh, that's bad, and I honestly thought that could
be the end of Melissa. And then how quickly you
bounce back without complaint absolutely convinced me that she's going
to go the whole way, because you know that mindset
of that's happened, park it, move on. You didn't see
it as a failure. You just saw it as what

(17:24):
it was, a gassing, which is, you know, a huge
credit to your personal and I think that you know,
one of the things Sabs and I talk about a
lot is what you gain mentally from doing sas Australia.
You go in one person and you come out another.
What was the person going in versus the person who
has walked out the other side of that door.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
I think the person's running in.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
You know, it was a lot more more confident in
who I was as an athlete, and I have a
specific skill set in diving that I've been able to
transfer to a few other areas in my life that
when people talk to me and when they refer to me,
it's always as that in that athlete capacity. And I
think that now being you know, at the back end
of my career. I don't know how long I'll have
in diving, especially now with injury. There's that whole life

(18:07):
after diving I've got to consider, And for me, there's
always been even though I've been working hard at preparing myself,
there's always a lot of doubt around that who I'll
be after diving, Who will be when I'm not the
athlete that people always think of me as. And I
think that this really cemented to me that I'm.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
A lot more than just the diver. There's all this
other side to me.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
There's decisions that I can make and a person that
I can be that's completely unrelated to what I do.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
That's just who I am.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
So once I switch from diving to the next thing,
I feel a lot more confident now that I'll be
able to tackle that head on and I'll be able
to cope.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
With that note problem.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Honestly, I think you could do just about anything. You're
You're the wupon.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, I love it so good.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
He's trademark get around it, Mel, because you are a wupon.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
I'll change my Instagram handle.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
I love I love that. Give the credit I've just
got it.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Has one ask question before you let you go and
continue with your practice. I asked this question to everyone
because I think the answer whilst you're in the course
is very different to after you've been out and you've
lived a bit of life and watched the episodes back,
knowing what you went through, knowing what life is like.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Now, would you do it all again?

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Absolutely, in a heartbeat, I do it again. I love
it at the time, but also loved it.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I think it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Most people would think you're crazy by saying that.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
That's because that's because they haven't done it. Would you guys?
You guys would do it again?

Speaker 7 (19:34):
Right?

Speaker 1 (19:34):
No, No, I've done it and I think you're crazy,
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
No, I agree with you. I agree with you definitely.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's one of those experiences that you just you know,
it's once in a lifetime. Not many people get to
experience that. And who can say they can jump out
and jump onto a chopper like that's insane?

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Yeah, absolutely incredible experience.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, Melissa Wi, you did an amazing job and you
should obviously be very very proudive. Often, I think you've
won yourself a whole new base of fans, including me,
who you know, always respected you as an athlete, but
you are a whoopon and absolute thank you hashtag. I
made that up, but listen, thank you very much for
coming on the debrief and and get back to training.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Sorry for and we wish you luck with all of
that as well.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Thank you well.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
As the recruits reached the final day of Essays Australia
Season four, Millie Boil, Darius Boyd, Lockie Gilbert and Rihanna
Crean with a final four Sabrina, we had Darius, Ranna
and Locki in our picks for making to the final four,
but we missed Millie. Three out of four is not.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
We definitely did better than last season's predictions, that's for sure.
It's it's always tough, but I'm really happy that those
three that we picked went the whole way because we
obviously saw something in them. But me surprise, Packet definitely
had her moments and really surprised us. And congratulations to
the final three. I think they all have such unique
traits all about what they're looking for in the sas selection.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yep, look, I think you're all right. You know there's
some attributes there in the individuals that are so desired
by the DS when they're looking for selections. So let's
start with Millie because we're just talking about it. For me,
Milly was the ultimate team player. She thought about team,
she talked about teams, she gave to team, she was
all about team.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, And to be honest, I think that's partly why
we may have not had her in our initial thoughts
because the team player part, of course, it's so important,
but I didn't realize how much of a shining beacon
that would be for a group like this, And I
feel like Milly did a lot for that group and
probably dragged others along further along the course and they

(21:54):
might have gone without her. And in a group where
you're under so much pressure and fatigue, those kinds of
people are so much more important than someone who's physically
capable and physically driving people in the group. So credit
to Millie. I think she definitely grew from day one
to the end. She grew so much. I think that

(22:14):
she did incredibly well.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah. To me, she's all of the heart, you know,
that's what she really brought to She brought a lot
of heart, and she'd be the sort of person that'd
go and get you off the battlefield if you're injured. Yeah,
Darius Boyd. Darius for me was you know, he was
a gray man, no doubt. And I think, you know,
he might have missed a few opportunities to show real leadership,
which is weird because he is actually a leader. But
for me, he was the workhorse that just gets the

(22:35):
job done, no questions asked, no fuss, never gets involved
in anything he doesn't need to. But real kind of
you know, great principled work ethic.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, with Darius, every time he showed up to task,
you know he was going to give it one hundred
and ten percent. And that's so important when you're looking
for someone beside you, just knowing they're going to give everything.
You know. We spoke about the fact that leadership may
have lacked, but I think going back to his rugby days,
I think he was more the type of a leader
that led by example in action rather than sort of

(23:06):
being the talker of the group. And I think that
that showed on the course that he's more of that
kind of leader.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
And you know, with a bit.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
More time, who knows, if this was a you know,
a month long thing, he might have stepped up and
given more of a vocal I guess leadership trait to
the team, and he might have been more confident, but
as a whole with everything else, he was very very consistent.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, and he genuinely cared about other people. He just
wasn't very you know, kind of a motive or loud.
He's just he's quite reserved. He wasn't a communicator where
somebody like Rihanna the third person to also make selection,
she's the thinking soldier. She was a great communicator, very
very good at thinking her way through problems, So definitely
that thinking soldier attribute. I saw a couple of little

(23:48):
cracks there, just like literally on the last day, where
she started to look physically spent and looked as though
she was starting to second guess her ability to be
on the course, even to the point where she looked
to vote herself off the course of the very she's
probably very very close to her end, which you would
be at that time brutal course, very hard to muster
any energy. But for me, the thinking so old.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, time and time again. Straight away.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I think back to the hostage rescue with the gas
and the way that she dealt with that situation to
be able to read the room, really think her way
through that situation and execute. If anything, I would take
someone who's a thinking soldier over someone's physical capabilities, because
you can get fitter, you can get stronger. Sometimes it's

(24:34):
very hard to teach that thinking element. So she was
always the front runner for me. She put herself in there.
I know she, like you said, with the cracks towards
the end, and physically she was starting to weaken, But
I honestly think that that course was absolutely brutal and
you would be so tired by that point.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
But credit to her. I would have her on my
team absolutely.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
I thought she was great. Now I have to talk
about Lockie. He was the only person out of the
final four to not make selection, which would have been
gutting for anybody, but particularly gutting for Lockie. And you know, look,
I didn't take any pleasure in seeing him get cut,
but I just assumed that he would. And the reason
why is because two things, the cockiness and the kind
of self focus. We saw that early and we identified

(25:20):
that like literally I think in the first week that
that was probably not going to get him through. That
would be the thing that would hold him back from
getting through is his selfishness and his inability to care
more about others than himself, right, and he's admitted that
that's nothing. I'm not saying anything that he hasn't said himself.
But there's another point that I old raised that I
reckon would have held him back, and it's his attention

(25:40):
to detail. Yeah, I think that he was focused on
something else, and I reckon he's focused, you know, too
much on how he was being perceived by cameras. He's
worried about how he's looking rather than what he's doing.
And I'll give you an example of that, the death notices.
That's a really full on thing. He could see, it's
very painful to write that. Now, when he wrote it,

(26:01):
he didn't listen to the detail. He actually wrote the
letter like a love letter to his partner and actually
said I look forward to seeing you. That means that
he is actually not taken in the detail, like it's
very clear description of what you need to do, and
he missed that. And for me, I was like, that
supports what I believed earlier, is that he's missing those
critical details listening to what it is and delivering what

(26:25):
has been required. And I think he missed that. So
I think along with the cockiness. Even if he wasn't cocky,
he still could have been in trouble just through the
lack of detail.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, I've got to agree, and to be honest, early
on he definitely rose some red flags. But credit to him,
he actually managed to turn it around.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
He really did.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
But I feel like he let himself down genuinely, because
I think once the dear saw the you know, the
true him, I think it was going to be really
hard to recover.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
I hope that in the back.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
End of it, he really put the work in to
get get something out of it for him, not for
any other reason, because I hope he came away from
this going you know, I can learn a lot about
myself and what I need to work on. Coming back
to what you were saying about the attention to detail.
At the back end of the course, they expect you
to know everything by then, yep. And when they jumped

(27:18):
into the ice water, a lot of people from the
outside would say, oh, it's easy to forget things, But
when you're on course and you're given a notepad to
write everything down and you're expected to know these things,
I think it comes back to what we're saying with
LOCKI not not committing to the process and understanding the
full process of why you're hear, And he let himself

(27:41):
down in the end with those two things attention to
detail in the back end, because if you stack him
up against the other three, the other three have that
part nailed, yep, and he was he had no chance
against those three. So if we're just separating that trait
alone against those three, he's he's at the bottom.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know, one of the things I actually really enjoyed
about this series was watching him develop sabs, you know,
like you did see that when he got a massive
dressing down from the DS, he changed. He totally changed,
and he went on a very very steep learning curve.
He didn't have quite enough time and sharp enough learning
to get through that. But again it's you know, those
details where he's just not focused on the right things.

(28:22):
They are absolutely critical and like you say, at the
end of the course, they just expect that you will
absolutely nail every single detail, and anything short of that
is not acceptable.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Being could by your peers is brutal in itself. But
you know, him and Rihanna both had two votes to
be cold. So ultimately the DS made that decision. They
could have taken both of their armbands and they didn't.
And it comes back to what we were saying is
the DS obviously had seen that he wasn't going to pass,

(28:54):
so they took it from him. If they thought that
he had what it took, they wouldn't have taken his
number from him. You know, when it comes down to
it was going head to head with one person. I
think if you really strip it back and understand that
it was the DS's ultimate decision, it's the right one.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, I'd have to agree. I think they made the
right decision, but a brutal way to do it, having to,
you know, cul one of your fellow recruits. I'd hate
to be in that position. It's different when you know
you were voting who you think is the weakest.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, in the.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Early stages, but at the very end, by that stage,
once you're a group of four or five or six people,
you've become very, very close and reliant on them, and
it would feel like a massive betrayal. But ultimately the
right decision was made. So in the end, we had
the three final recruits, Arianna, Darius, and Millie, and they
had to leave everything on that rock. Wall, climbing up

(29:44):
that cliff their final opportunity to impress the DS SABS.
We know what it's like. You've run out, like literally
the tank is on empty and you've got one more
massive physical task and you don't really realize it at
the time. But they are judging you right until the
very last minute, aren't they.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I think it's hard because we know as viewers that
this is the last, but I can almost guarantee those
guys don't know that this is the last. And speaking
from experience our last task, I was sitting at the
edge of that cliff ready to go again. And I
think even that seeing the response of the recruits after
the rock climb, which you could see they were absolutely

(30:25):
exhausted by that point, but even watching them respond to that,
the DS would have been watching like a hawk. It's
the smallest parts that might separate you. And knowing that
pressure as well, going up that rock climb, you could
tell they were all really struggling, really really struggling to
get up there.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
How would you have gone on that rock climb?

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Look, to be honest, I was looking at going that
would be so tough, a tough in those boots too.
I don't think people who understand, you know, they're quite large,
chunky boots, would be very hard to climb a rock
face of that. But I mean every part of your
body this stage, every single part of your body is
in agony. Everything is on fire. To do anything hurts.
So it's a classic case of leave the tank empty,

(31:10):
leave it out there. But like I said, you don't
know that it's the end. You never know it's the end. Yeah,
So for them to get through that climb at that stage, mentally,
they would have been thinking, I'm going to get to
the top of this and then there's going to be
another thing, and then there'll be another thing. They would
not have known. So I actually think it's actually tough
and they did better than people might give them credit for.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, I can agree.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
More so, I think with the final three recruits, we've
kind of identified three unique traits, haven we It makes
them almost the perfect soldier if you combine them all.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, you've got Millie's leadership which is standout. You've got
Rihanna's attention to detail, she's a thinking soldier, and then
you've got Darius's horsepower the consistent work ethic. So together
they're the formidable unit.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
If you could blend all three, they would be the
Universal Soul, which I think is actually trademark. So I
won't say that because we'll get sued by Marvel, but
absolutely right. If you put those three together, it would
be very, very difficult to beat them. Well, sabs, You
and I of course got to the end of Sas Australia,
so we both know what it's like to be selected,
which is why I'm so excited to get to chat
to our next guests and see how much they got

(32:19):
out of the experience. As Millie Boyle and Rihanna Krean
join us in just a moment. From very early on,
Sabrina and I could say that the women in this
season of Sas Australia, we're going to do big things.

(32:40):
And unsurprisingly in the end, two of the three recruits
to pass selection were in fact female, an incredible result.
They both join us now on the debrief, Rihanna, Rihanna,
Rianna Kan and well done to you both, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Thank you so much. Everyone's been saying Rihanna, but it's Riana.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Said it's Rihanna, and then we were corrected as no,
it's Rihanna. I'm afraid for the podcast purposes, it's gonna
have to be Rihanna.

Speaker 7 (33:08):
I was like, if they can get someone holtz Nagel, right,
surely they can get.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's Rihanna.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
It is Rihanna. Look, just remember Rihanna Banana.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Honestly, Yeah, the girls. You both were incredible. When Mary
can I completed our course, we both had visualized ourselves
throughout finishing the course and being there at the end.
I've got to ask you, Millie, did you visualize yourself
there at the end?

Speaker 8 (33:38):
Yeah? I did.

Speaker 6 (33:39):
Like I went into that course thinking there is no
way I'm handing my number in life, no matter what happens.
I just cannot see myself handing my number. And I
know there's going to be things I can't do, things
I'm not going to like, I'm going to fail a
lot of things. But at the end of the day,
I was like, if I'm leaving, it's kicking and screaming
with them pulling my number off me and getting cold

(34:01):
rather than handing it in. I just never saw that possibility,
but I did contemplate, Like there were times actually contemplated
it during the course, and then I thought, don't be silly,
Milly if you quit, you're going to have to go
on witness protection program because you're not going to be
able to do yourself if you.

Speaker 8 (34:18):
Hand a number him.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, silly, Milly, you can't. You can't do that. Rihanna,
what about you? Did you visualize yourself there.

Speaker 9 (34:26):
At the end.

Speaker 7 (34:27):
No, no way. I mean, I thought they would get
rid of me. Like I knew, I was a bit
like MILLI. I was like, there's no way I'm quitting.
I've never quit anything. It's just not in my nature.
But I didn't think that just physically I would be
strong enough to get to the end.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
And I just.

Speaker 7 (34:41):
Assumed that at some point they were going to boot
me out.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
No one likes to be cold. It's the world.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
But Rihanna, when you say that you thought you physically
get into the point, I would say, on the last episode,
you do look like you absolutely tank empty. Did you
feel like you could have gone one more day?

Speaker 7 (34:59):
We spoke about this as a group towards the end,
and I would have I would have done another day.
Whether I would have been successful, I don't know. I
mean that last two days. I can't speak to the others,
but yeah, I was pretty much done. And when they
kept saying into the last day is going to be
like ridiculous and it's going to keep going.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
And I'm thinking, you can't quit now, like you're there
like the end of that.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah, you definitely can't.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
After everything that you've gone through, you can't quit on
the last day.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
I'm sure both.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Of you you probably watched the seasons beforehand and prepared
to the best of your ability. Was it as hard
as you anticipate it would be, or was there something
that you didn't expect that you know you were confronted
with when you got on there.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
I knew that, like from just watching the show and
just by hearing people that had been on it before,
you know that it is two weeks of absolute relentlessness,
and they weren't going to fix things up on camera
or you weren't going to be off camera. People keep
saying about off camera where the ds nice to you?
Did you get fed off camera? Like you're on camera

(36:04):
twenty four seven and that's like when they put in
little parts about, you know, the things you say during
the course, you actually forget that you've even said those
things or it's happened because twenty four to seven you're
being recorded and they're either.

Speaker 8 (36:17):
Going to put it in it or not.

Speaker 6 (36:18):
But it's actually even harder than what it looks on TV.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
I think they're leaving out so many things. Yep, and
we're in a group, what's happened. We're like, I can't
believe they didn't put this in or what the hell?

Speaker 6 (36:30):
We were actually there for hours and they made it
look like ten minutes.

Speaker 8 (36:34):
There's so many things that are so much harder. Even
on day one, like.

Speaker 6 (36:38):
After we got set on Fiery, it was like we
had the biggest beasting after that and that was such
a shock to the system.

Speaker 8 (36:44):
But they just kind of swept over it and actually,
like a.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Dim we know exactly what that's like.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, well we know about all the hidden beastings that
never go to wear. But I think, you know, possibly Rihanna,
you might agree that the toughest thing that people don't
really count for as viewers is how much laundry you
have to do.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Honestly, it is the absolute worst.

Speaker 7 (37:09):
And that's really I think what makes it so difficult
and adds that challenge is that when you're back at
the camp, you've.

Speaker 9 (37:15):
Got to square your shit away every every time, and
it's like the drying of the clothes and the washing
of the clothes and all the other stuff and making
sure your bag weighs enough and all.

Speaker 7 (37:27):
Those little things that are so tedious and you're so
freaking tired, and you know, like towards the end there,
I mean, I can remember the last couple of nights
and we were sitting in front of that fire, god
knows whatever time it was, you know, one or o'clock
in the morning, and we had our heads just like.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Rest not super safe, but just resting up.

Speaker 7 (37:44):
Against the fire because you just we don't even have
the energy to like hold your arms up anymore.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Like it's just crazy.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, there's no there's no downtime.

Speaker 6 (37:53):
Yeah, even that whole time, like you saw, you're in
the cars, you're doing the activities, like you're so sore.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
But then when you're drying your clothes for our and
then your.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
Back starts getting bad and like Ree said, you're bent over,
you're kind of leaning on the fire. You're like, I
don't even care at this point, Like if these clothes
are not born dry, we're.

Speaker 8 (38:10):
Going to get wet again. And I'm going to be
up front of the three hours drying them again.

Speaker 7 (38:14):
And we all burned, Like every single one of us
got some form of like pern on our fingers or.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Our arms from holding the T shirts over the fire.
Very tedious.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
We all know those parts make it so tedious and emotional.
And we saw a little bits of emotion from you
Millie on the show. You know, a bit of tears
here and there, And some people might see that as
a weakness, but we both know and the DS know
that emotion is such a powerful tool if used in
the right way. Did you think you were able to

(38:47):
use that emotion is fuel in there?

Speaker 8 (38:49):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
I think I'm quite an emotional person and I'm very
empathetic as well. So not only do I get, you know,
do things personally are at me, or if I'm just
overwhelmed or tired or hungry, mainly hungry, but you know,
I know I'm going through that. So then when someone
else is going through something like similar, or they're telling

(39:12):
their story or they're breaking down, that makes me emotional too.
So I like was literally crying last night even watching
it all again. I was crying and crying and crying
because it just brings back so many memories watching everyone
hit their breaking point.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, it's always tough seeing your recruits go through that too.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
SAMs and I had a bit of a chat about
the individual unique properties that the three of you had
who finished the course, and let us know if you
think this is a fair assessment. So Millly, we saw
obviously the emotion, but what that was for us was
a great sense of team camaraderie, a great sense of leadership.
You were always looking out for other people, and it

(39:51):
was always not an individual effort. It was always about
a team effort. You know, you're always team minded. Rihanna.
We saw you as the thinking soldier to use, the
person who would instantly assess what was required and then
act upon it really really quickly, as you know they
say the thinking soldier. And Darius was the workhorse, the
quiet achiever that you know, like a big draft horse

(40:12):
in the background, would just go about and get get
the job done without any complaint and certainly without any communication.
I think the goal is a mute.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
But poor Darius, like he did talk. He did he
did talk, Yeah, so he didn't.

Speaker 8 (40:29):
He was just very quiet, just quietly.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I think with Darius and we established this that you know,
he's obviously a leader. He led the Broncos when he
was there, but he's definitely the type of leader that
is action base.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
He works very hard and he leads by example.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
And I think that, you know, they didn't really get
to show that aspect of it. I just want to
I want to talk to you Rihana about you go
on there, You think one thing and you come out
of there a completely different person, Like it changes you
for life. Is there something that you've taken from that
course that you're now applying to your life, like right now,

(41:08):
or something that you're doing now that you didn't do before.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
I certainly think confidence and more self belief. Like I
went into the show, I felt very much like an impost.
When they first asked me, I was like, but I'm well,
am I going like on the civilian version because I didn't.
I didn't think that I sort of should have been
on this celebrity version. And when they asked me, like,
how would people know you? And I was like, well,
I don't think anyone knows me, Like I mean, unless
you're my mom or like a very cool group of

(41:36):
people from like a motors what background, I don't think
anyone knows me. I really, you know, I don't see
myself as a celebrity, and you know, I'm certainly not
an athlete like million and Dubs and and so, you know,
just I didn't have a huge amount of confidence when
I first went into the show, thinking that I didn't
really deserve to be there. And obviously, as the days
go on, and you know, you're you're getting through each
day and you're thinking, okay, well, you know, sort of

(41:57):
going okay, like I'm not obviously not the best, but
I'm surviving and and you know, coming out of it,
I can do so much more than what I give
myself credit for, not only physically, but you know, to
sort of I don't know, hold my own within the group,
and yeah, come out of it, you know, standing there
next to Darves and merely at the end, I mean,
I certainly didn't feel like I deserve to be standing
alongside them at all. But I just hope that I

(42:18):
hope that my like what I brought to the group
was valued in the end. And yeah, I'm not the strongest,
and you know, I don't see myself as like a
captain or anything like that, but I felt like I
sort of did other bits and pieces within the camp
that contributed to the group just.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Going to jump on the back there and say, Rihanna,
you definitely deserve to be there.

Speaker 8 (42:36):
Everything you did throughout the course and.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
There were tasks that happened and I was like, god,
I just totally misread that. I just went in one
ear and out the other end and was like, what
do you mean didn't see the bolt cutters under.

Speaker 8 (42:48):
The table, and like then just get them free. I'm like,
what do you mean?

Speaker 6 (42:51):
And then I was watching it back even and I'm like,
is there even gas in the room for me? And
She's just like, oh yeah, dribble a little bit, and
I'm like, are you serious?

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I was like, who was terrible?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I loved that.

Speaker 8 (43:11):
So I think we.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
All showed our strengths in different ways, and that was
what was really unique about our group, and especially the
three of us at the end. We're all very different
and it was it was great to be at the
end with rand Dabs.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
So Millie to answer the question that was asked, if Rihanna,
what do you take away from it? I mean, you
already seemed reasonably confident. What did you walk away with?

Speaker 6 (43:34):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of things that I
was definitely not good at and I knew that going
in and up until sas I was like, well, just
don't do things you're bad at because it makes you
feel crap because you can't do them. So I hated
not having a second goal and I didn't like failing things.
But it was just about moving on and like they

(43:55):
drum it through you throughout the course, it's it's.

Speaker 8 (43:58):
Not about smashing it.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
It's not about doing amazing at everything, and you know
you can't have all the tricks of the trade. It's
about your resilience and about turning up for the next thing.
Because we're all so different and also unique. Just because
I can't do the morning task well doesn't mean I
can't do the arvo task well.

Speaker 8 (44:17):
And we'll all compliment each other.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
So I think it was just having that confidence in
other areas when I was down on myself for you know,
not having confidence in some like you know, jumping into
helicopters or getting out of the boot. Oh my god,
can I just say after that one, I was thinking
we were getting taken somewhere after we stopped and then.

Speaker 8 (44:41):
I know and they were like fifteen doing and I'm.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
Like, oh no, the task is over, the DS is here,
and I've done nothing.

Speaker 8 (44:51):
Oh my god, it was so bad.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, everything is designed for you to fail, and it's about,
as you guys know, it's about how you deal with
the f But guys, I have to bring up the
carl at the very very end. It is the most
brutal thing. Sabrina and I would have hated nothing more
than to be standing there with the four of us
on a mountain and have to cul one of our own,
because at that stage we all know how closely bonded

(45:15):
everyone is and how much you've got everyone else's backs.
Obviously you know the vote went against Lockie. I think
that was definitely the right call myself. That's what I think.
But let's talk about how I can make things awkward.
And I can make things awkward by talking about how
Millie you tried to vote off Rhianna.

Speaker 6 (45:32):
Okay, this is so I will just say, Okay, they
got us in there. We had no idea what we're
about to do, and then we're in that lighthouse thing
and they said, okay, you know you've got to choose
someone to not come through. And I was thinking in
my head, okay, yesterday, So the day before we did
that crazy the mangroves and we had that twenty kilo

(45:54):
bag that we were carrying, and no offense to rein myself,
but we were terrible. We were lucky to just even
be along and the boys were carrying ourselves like so
thankful for those boys. And then when they got us
in there, I went on physical strength, which was silly
to do at the end of the day. Although I

(46:14):
don't like, I think Lockie was really great along the
course as well, there was a lot of I don't
think they were They showed how well he actually did
in the course and how capable he was, but I
probably missed that in the interpretation of what they were
looking for. When Ant was saying who we would make
leave and it was horrible, like the fact that they
made us do that.

Speaker 8 (46:34):
I'm still like, I love you, but I hate you Aunt,
like that is so mean.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
And then can I just quickly say at the end
as well, So after the course, we were all driving
back and Ree was like, oh my god, I can't
believe Locke left, Like this is me dance and Ree
in a car and she said, I can't believe Locki left,
Like we all voted him him out and I said yeah,
and I've gone, Oh my god, I've just like for

(46:59):
the next three hours, I was like, I was like,
Millie should be so proud to yourself you finished this course.
But I felt sick in my stomach that I'd voted
Riha and I hadn't told her, and I was like,
oh my god.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
So I was talking to Darts.

Speaker 6 (47:12):
I was like, Darts, I told Ria, I voted block
you out, but I voted, and he was just go
and tell her.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (47:19):
It sounds easy, but I'm so stressed.

Speaker 6 (47:23):
I ended up telling Ree that that day that ahvoh,
but oh my god, I just felt so sick in
my stomach and it was horrible.

Speaker 8 (47:30):
That was the worst part about it all.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
In our course, we didn't have to cull anyone, but
we had to vote who the weakest one was. And
you know, I voted Jackson, who I love to death,
love him to death, but I had to vote him
the weakest.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
So I totally understand where you're coming from.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
And it's it's terrible, especially at that stage, because you've
all got your own strengths and weaknesses, so it's literally
minute things that separate you all For you Rihanna like
being on that that end, Millie spoke about the fact
that she she didn't want to vote for herself.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
You voted for yourself one stage. I was like, no,
don't do it.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Don't for yourself in that situation, Like, how how are
you feeling in that moment?

Speaker 7 (48:11):
Yeah, I suppose a bit like Millie, I was thinking
more from a physical point of view, and you know,
I knew how much the boys and Millie had both
really like taken a lot of the brunt work in
the previous day's task, and I suppose I just felt
like if it was between me and Lockie, then I
had my hand up and Aunt kind of wouldn't let me.
He's like, no, you can't say you and we sort

(48:33):
of had a bit of a back and forth, and
then I started crying and I.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Was like, I'm not pretty out on.

Speaker 7 (48:37):
App I'm like take me, and he's just like and
then I just had to say Locky, only because you
know the way Aunt described about, you know, like if
you need person you trust on the field and all
that sort of stuff, and not that I don't trust Locky,
but I suppose, you know, meals and doves, we'd formed
a pretty good bond and I knew that.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Yeah, everyone was deserving. I think everyone deserved to be
there at the end.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I think it's tough in those final moments because you know,
you guys spend that time with Lockie. I think, yeah,
both Mes and I we spoke about it like he's
more than capable, more than capable, and he managed to
turn it around. We thought, we really did think that
he managed to turn it around. But I will say this,
physically he was capable, But in terms of the thinking,

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Soldier U three had it on him because when it
came down to it in the last few tasks, there
are a few things in terms of the attention to
detail that I know the ds would have been watching.
And if it makes you feel any better, you know,
with the with the tie vote, the das made the
ultimate decision in the end of the day and they
got rid of him for a reason. So I just

(49:44):
I just want to say congratulations to you too, because
I know what that feeling is like. I asked this
question to everyone we speak to because I know how
I feel about it. Knowing what the course was like,
knowing how hard it was, knowing your preparation knowing who
was in there, would you do it all again?

Speaker 10 (50:04):
We actually, I think it was around like there's probably
nine of us left, eight of us left when we
actually asked ourselves this question, and we're like, oh, what
happens if they do, like, you know, bring back you know,
say five or ten from each you know season and
do another one that kind thing.

Speaker 8 (50:21):
I said, no, likee.

Speaker 6 (50:23):
What is going on? I said, like, I'm so hungry,
I'm tired. I just want to see my family. I
don't know, like you've only been away for less than
a week. But it's like you see people leave and
you're like that looks so easy, and the DS is
so nice to them, and you're like, leave with your
head held high.

Speaker 8 (50:41):
But you all can get like so, I think it's
just such a mind game.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
Obviously, I think it might have been different if we
hadn't have made it to the end.

Speaker 8 (50:50):
But for me, I'm saying one and done, and you Rihanna.

Speaker 7 (50:55):
Look, I'm like sitting on the fence because I look
at it. Who was it the first season that was
really cold?

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Was that the first?

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (51:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:02):
It was yeah, you guys.

Speaker 7 (51:05):
And then I watched like some of the UK ones
and they're in the snorwy and I'm like, mate, not me,
that is not my jam. Like I was cold enough
as it was for our seas, like I need a
little bit of warm. So if it was just like
going back to somewhere really cold, then no, I honestly
don't think I would be able.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
To do it.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
But then, like you think back, and it was just
such an awesome experience with so many cool things, and yeah,
so maybe it would. But like in the end, I
ended up with five cracked ribs and a broken finger
and I'm not sure that my body could take too
much more.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Amazing Millie Rihanna, incredible work. Congratulations, so deserving for selection.
Well done, and thank you very much for coming on
the podcast and having a chat.

Speaker 8 (51:44):
Thank you, thank you so much, thank you.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Well, thanks for listening. It has been a fantastic season.
We can't wait for the next one.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yep, thanks very much for listening. And I've got to
say my little highlight was possibly Melissa Wu when she
face planned the ground and then bounced back like a
rubber ball. So that's what were your favorite moments.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
My favorite moment from this season has got to be
the Tiger War and the ar cut between Buttrose and
Aunt Middleton.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Let's go What's wrong with you? Nothing's wrong with me?
What's up on? Nothing's wrong with me? Come on Kick
of the Bulls TV.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Listen, get back in the get back in the game.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Get your number though, give me your number. Yeah that
was pretty good, but I did love the epic spray
that Ollie dished out At the same time, Stop take
your sure cuts, your told?

Speaker 3 (52:39):
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