March 1, 2022 • 42 mins
This week SAS Australia looked more like a Mission: Impossible film. There were dramatic leaps from speed boats onto helicopters, cliff climbs and beastings - heaps of action for Merrick and Sabrina to break down. They also look into the drama between Locky Gilbert and Pauly Fenech - who's at fault and will the spat stop them from making selection? Plus, Simone called it quits this week and joins the podcast to reveal her TRUE motivation for going on the show... and it isn't what you think. Watch season two of SAS Australia on Channel 7
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, this is a big call to make, but this
might be my favorite two episodes of sas Australia that
I have ever seen. I'm Merrek wats joined by Sabrina
Frederick Sabs. Is that a fair statement to make sure
leads up there?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I mean absolutely, except for maybe any of our episodes
from our season cry a little bit biased, but yeah, definitely,
I'm enjoying it so much these last two episodes totally.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I just I've seen the last two episodes and gone,
this is all of the things I love about SAS Australia,
the surprises, the beastings, the hard work that needs to
be put in, and the slow breakdown of people's personality traits.
Coming up on this week's debrief, we pick our mouths
up off the floor to discuss the incredible tasks set
in this week's episode. Plus we catch up with Simone
(00:48):
Holtznegel about her time on the course, and don't worry,
we will be dissecting that firy drama between Pauly Fennik
and Cocky Lucky towards the end of this episode. Well,
(01:09):
if you were to show just one episode of sas
Australia to a friend who had never seen the series.
It might just be this one. It had everything we
love about sas Australia, amazing set pieces, dangerous challenges and
to cap it off a late night beasting. It was beautiful.
It is so important this episode because it's about mindset, Sabrina.
(01:30):
What shifts in mindset have you seen or what worrying
signs of mindset have you seen creeping in in this episode?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, we talk about cracks cracks in the recruits early
and something that we've been probably closely monitoring over last
couple of episodes is you know, people making complaints, people
isolating themselves. All these signs are signs of you know
the fact that they're uncomfortable but it's getting to them.
(01:57):
A major one for me. I've got to say Simone,
she was overcome with that anxiety. You know, constantly talking
about the anxiety and the challenges ahead and you know,
getting emotions are good, but she constantly was probably letting
the emotions get to her and overwhelm her. I would
also say Anna has been another one. Anna Heinrich talking
(02:18):
about the fatigue that's beginning to set in. Those two
have been a major red flag for me.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, it's interesting. Look, I think Anna's done really, really well.
She's impressed me in some ways. But when you get
to this part of the course, the first few days
is just shock and awe as you know, like it's
and they deliberately do that just to completely discombobulate you,
and it's all physical. But then on day full, day five,
there's definitely a shift where you know, the physical stuff
is starting to take a toll and you become reliant
(02:46):
on your mindset and on your attitude too. So you know,
we're just saying about it, you know, dropping your chin
and being negative about your situation. You can't start putting
yourself into that mindset that early, otherwise you put yourself
into a dangerous position.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Which you almost say that as soon as you've accepted
that this scenario is not comfortable, that it's almost hard
to win back.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, definitely, I've never seen anybody shake them off. It'll
be interesting to see though, whether or not it might
be proven wrong in this series. I'm kind of hoping
that we see people get those cracks and then you know,
bounce back and control them. So see how that pans
out over the course of the series. Let's talk about
the first task the rapid extraction on the helicopter.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
This I love this. I've just got to say, this
to me is the epitome of a Mission impossible movie.
You know, we've talked about in the past how much
we loved the exercise of an R series where we
felt like we were in a mission impossible movie. This
is it for me. I feel like, as much as
it would have been intimidating looking at that, there would
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have been parts of them going this is awesome, dred.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Percent, Like I look at that with total envy. You
would be crapping yourself as you put your foot on
the edge of the boat, knowing you've only got five
seconds to get onto the chop all or nothing. It
must absolutely commit with every ounce of yourself, otherwise your
face planned really badly. Like simondid, I was just like, oh,
that has got to have ruined her money maker for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Honestly, that would have hurt so bad.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It looked spectacular. It was really high intensity, you know,
Like I mean, obviously for the average viewer, that is
an intense looking procedure, but like having had similar experiences
getting that timing right and also having the physical now too,
and I think they switched on pretty early. How you
grab onto the chopper is important as well, how you land,
you know, arm over arm, get up quickly. I think
(04:36):
it was It might have been Anna Heinrich Coud was
up like a rat up a draint so big. Yeah,
and that makes a huge difference. You know, get up,
get on the chop, I get move and get out
of there fast. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And she got the detail straight away, was up there
as fast you can be. And then probably on the
other end with recruit number one Ebony. You know, she
was first up and she did commit to it, but
you can tell the detail with not being to wrap
her arms around and almost grabbing it like monkey bars.
She completely slipped off and ended up missing that. In
the last few tasks, she's probably been lacking confidence, and
(05:10):
I think with this as much she didn't pass it.
I love the commitment. I love the confidence that she
had to just go for it.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I also love the term whistling shit can of death,
which is what Clint called the helicopter as went. That
is what I'm calling them from now on. That is
absolutely closs.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I love that. And something that really got to me
was Paulie Paullie putting a kiss on Ann Middleton?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What is with that?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yanna puts a cuddle on in a similar scenario, and
now Paulli puts a kiss on him. I feel like
he needs to get a you know, A bodyguard continues
to escalate.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Sabrinette next yearies, what are they going to do to
n middle Where does it? Where does it go from there? Look,
the Choper scene was great, there's some really really interesting things.
I thought my highlight from it was actually Richard Buttrose,
who just went, yep, no that now just throw myself
out the helicopter that please said take your seat, put
(06:07):
on a Seatburg You're like, I heard you out the door.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I think what this shows, though, is when you're under
so much pressure, there are some people that just assume things,
and some people genuinely make up stories in their own head.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I don't know if it's a case of not listening
or just not kind of filtering it and getting the
important points out of it. But if they don't start
sharpening up, and as you know, our ds friends would
say constantly switch on. If you don't switch on, they're
going to find it a lot harder going. Well, I reckon.
We can see the daily mail articles for this one already.
The next challenge was recruits working in pairs to remember
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five digit code, memorizing it, then making their way upper
hill to unlock a box, which is all pretty easy
except for when you've been pepper sprayed in the face
and a bit in the mouth, heaps of it when
in people's mouths. Don't open your mouth when you're gonna
get pepper sprayed. Don't make a bad situation worse, Sabrina.
That is absolutely Is it worse than the gas from
(07:02):
last season.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Look, I've only taken pepper spray before. I've not taken gas.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
What have you been at touching policeman? What have you
been doing you?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was in a military setting for a camp. But
all I will say is that was terrible and it
stings for well after you've been pepper straight in the phrase,
so I know exactly what that's like. It's very hard
to stay composed. So I'm very very impressed with the
ones that did. The one thing I will say, though,
(07:34):
is when you're pepper sprayed, the last thing you do
is touch your face. It touch your face and touch
your eyes. And I felt like straight away there were
some people opening their eyes and touching their eyes, and
I'm thinking it's going all downhill from here.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, so that makes it worse if you try to
remove it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, it makes it worse, especially if you
get it in your eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's terrible, maybe locking you there. Because I did notice
that Locke was pretty flinching, and I was like, wow,
that's pretty cool man, Like that was he was pretty
stoic about it. He just tried to keep his eyes closed,
but he definitely wasn't rubbing it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
For me, a huge standout. I've got to say most
of the recruits obviously passed this challenge, but one I've
just got to highlight is Jeff. He handled that like
an absolute boss. I know at the start he struggled
a bit with the code, you can completely understand that.
But at the end, it's almost like he wasn't even
sprain in the face.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And he was also to the entire time he was
worried about where his fellow op was. Like, he was
always in touch and he was always kind of on
the directive, was moving forward, moving forward, not talking about
how bad it was. He was focused on getting to
the task and completing the task. I was really happy
for ebony because she'd had so many fails. She got
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through this on a tick, but then she almost completely
blew it by gobbing off to the DS because as
you and I know, just don't you just don't just
never ever backlip them. But good on her for getting
through it. You know, I think you could see that
it gave her a bit of a pump up. She
needed that win.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
You can tell that for her, she rides off confidence
and then maybe being the boxer that she is, that's
what's going to help her push through this course. Another
two that did extremely well and surprise the hell out
of me, Lockie and Paulie working together. Yep, they did
this extremely well. They put aside their bs and got
(09:27):
the job done.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, and it was perfect too, Like they absolutely no alder.
They worked together as a team. They were efficient. They
did really really well.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
The last one I just want to point on Wayne
Kerrey ladders.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
What is he got?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
He's got this thing with ladders, Like it's like he
sees the ladder and he just has to do something
with it, even if he's told nothing about the ladder
in this situation, he just he sees it and he
starts climbing.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I think ladders are his weakness. Maybe snakes are his strength.
There's a double meaning there. Well, we finally saw one.
I was waiting to see whether or not we would
get one shortly the beasting, and it was well worth
the way. It was a Sabranda. You and I love
seeing the recruits get the beastings because we understand how
(10:12):
important they are to the process of breaking people down
and getting them into that state. And it was a
brutal one, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh it was terrible, And to be honest, I don't
know what's worse having the v sting or being responsible
for the beasting poorly running late to the parade square.
By the way, I wouldn't say running late because he
wasn't really running, but he was late to the parade
square and then being a part of that beasting. Honestly,
(10:44):
I would be so shook knowing the rest of my
recruits went through that.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, but you know what, that's something you just expect, Like,
you know, it's his first kind of team punishment as
a result of his actions. It's the first one anyone's
really received for an individual action. It is tough, it
is tough to copy it, but you would cop it
for any teammate, Like I always felt like that. You know,
you're just as likely to make a mistake that's going
to result in a beasting anyway. So I think that,
you know, if anybody was overreacting and blame it on poorly,
(11:10):
it's a bit unfair because it could have been them
as well. You know, it's just a nature of the beast.
It's when it's repeated over and over again that obviously,
as you and I know, that's when it becomes an
issue in terms of sas Australia. That is a shortened
version of what we know to be a much much
longer process that was brutal.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
At this point in the course, people already have niggles
and parts of injuries, and something like a beasting can
be what it takes to push someone over the line
and pretty much give them grief for the rest of
the time or almost make up their mind about if
they're going to be able to continue on in the course.
And I think that there was a few that really
struggled in that beasting.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, it sorts people out. I think it also to
sharpens up their minds. Yeah one percent. Well, somebody who
escaped the beasting and then got a beast in verbally
from me on last week's episode, Simone Holtznagel, She's really
got a timing issues wrong, hasn't she.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The one thing I will say is like, how do
you choose to take the pepper spray and then VW afterwards?
Is beyond me?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Leave before the house burns down. She's joining us up
next to no doubt return Volley. Well. She pushed herself
out of her comfort zone and risked her key money
making asset by letting the DS sit her on fire,
(12:33):
shoot it with pepper spray, throw her out of her boat.
Simone Holtznagel joins us. Welcome to the debrief.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Hello guy, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I've got to say, because if we don't, I've got
to address it. Well done. It did surprise me. You
went further than I thought, and you did actually earn
my respects. But you know that I did label you
the most annoying person at the start of the series.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yes you did. I mean, look, if you ask my shit,
because I am the most annoying.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Person, that's all right. To be honest. If I was
reviewing our own show, I would have picked Merk for
the most annoying, so I still do. It's a compliment,
but it's so nice to have you simone. Honestly, I
always say that the people that put themselves forward for
this course, it's an amazing feat and you've got to
(13:21):
give people respect because it's something that not many people
would actually put them hands up for. I've just got
to say, straight off the bat, though, why did you
go on this show? Like why did you go onsays Australia.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
My real reason is because I need a new car.
My other reason is it was in lockdown.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I was bored.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I needed something to work towards. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, And you know what, they're all good, valid reasons.
I mean, I don't know if they are the sort
of reasons that we'll get you right through the course,
but they'll certainly they'll certainly get you a bit of
a bit of the way. I will say this. I
said that you would be the most annoying only purely
because you did do a lot of very very strong
model complaining right. But what I did like and genuinely
(14:10):
respectful is when it came to the pepper spray, which
is horrific. It didn't actually win, just you were not
complaining about it. You did take it when you could
have just bailed and not done it. Why did you?
Why did you take the pepper spray?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I have no idea because thinking back to that, that
is like the dumbest decision, like who gets pray? I
should have just like during them, I was dying.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Wow, And see, this is why people are going to
miss you now from the show, Like and I know
that definitely Sprenda and I are two of them. We're
going to miss you because of the fact that you
are unpredictable, in the fact that you do offer a
bit of humor to it. But I was literally thinking
to myself, why would you leave after he gets sprayed?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I know it's so stupid. Thinking back, yeah, I should
have done it, but at the time, I like, I
didn't also want Jeff to suffer because I was like
I couldn't cope. Yeah, but yeah, I saw every God
that day. I thought I was literally gonna die. I
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had like a chanic or burn on my head. It
was awful.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, but you know you did it though, like all
of these things you did you voluntarily Withdrew, but you
did the stuff like you did the required amount. You
know what you're probably your greatest fear, honestly is ruining
or hurting your face, because that is actually how you
make a living, and you put it on the line
a few times a you nearly had it set on fire,
(15:41):
but you had it pepper spray. That's not a good idea.
And that face plant that you did off the boat
in trying to jump onto the chopple was absolutely all
the time.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I was actually out of everything that I did. The
one jumping from the boat to the helicopter, I was like, Oh,
this is show up my alley. I can do this
when it comes to me. And then I was like
ready to go, and then wat you get back. I
can see that everyone actually stands up on the side
(16:13):
of the boat and my dumb ass just tried to
jump like while I was standing next to Olie.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, and like the.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Worst thing that could have happened, because I was like,
if I miss, I'm going to land in the propeller
and I'll be shark me.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know you're going to jump
that high that you would go into the rotor. But
I mean, sure to be honest, like when you left
doing oh she's gonna oh no, she's not. She's gonna
make it and whack.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah. I was like, so teen to make that, and
then I was just like, you know what, if I
don't attempt it, they're gonna yell at me anyway, so
I may as well just do it.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I want to know what was the group dynamic like
when you were in there. You know, there are some
moments we've seen that tensions were raised within the group,
but we don't get to see everything and America and
I know that. I want to know what the group
dynamic was like in there with you.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, I mean from what I saw for the four days,
everyone was great, like everyone got along, and then I
know certain things happened, and I'm shadow wasn't there to
witness it. You know what It's like, just some people
don't click. Yeah, yeah, you just don't like some people.
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I think I liked everyone, and I'm going to assume
everyone liked me.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
But it just seems like, you know, there was some
people were bonding and some people were separating. You know,
you seem to be more like one of those people
that started to bond with other people. I think there's
a moment there where I think you and Millie tried
to bond over how to read a watch, and I
thought that was amazing, and neither of you could still
read a watch because we had to. It was subtract
(17:56):
at twelve for the time.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I know. After watching that back, it's just I'm like,
I can read twenty four hours? Why do we do that?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It was so funny watching you to discuss the clock though.
I'm not gonna lie, it was great.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
To be fair though, You've got to find some light,
you know, during the day because you're so hungry, you're
so fatigued. You know, you're constantly being tested and under pressure.
I feel like the team are our and the recruits
in there with you are so so important. I think
sometimes even underestimated in a course like this last question,
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you know, knowing everything that's gone on, knowing what the
course is like and what went on after you, would
you do it all again?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah? I would. Actually, I feel like I would handle
it so much better. And that's why I like watch
to get back. I'm like, oh my god, why did
I freak out about that? Just like you know, chill
out a bit.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, listen, you went on it, you did it, you
had a crack and you did your best and for
respect to you. Thanks for coming on to the debrief
because I would have told me to shove it up
my ass. So after all the shit talking.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
No, honestly some and it's been a pleasure. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Thanks guys, have a good day.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Sabrina Episode five, Leadership Day five. I reckon it is
an absolute turning point in the Essays Australia experience, both
for our season and of course of the last season
as well, because that's when the scales begin to tip
and anyone who's been kind of getting through just relying
on their physical strengths begins to crack and you get
to see a different element of the personality. This is
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all completely designed by the DS as well. They know
that around about this stage people are going to change.
What were some of the things that you saw in
that fifth episode, which I would say is probably one
of my favorite so far. What did you see emerging?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I think I agree with you completely. When you get
to day five, the fatigue sets in, the hunger sets in.
You realize you're not even halfway yet, but it's so painful.
You're dealing with different dynamics in a group and it's
hard to live with people anyway, but you know, complete strangers.
It's all weighs on you. And I think that day five,
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for me, what I'm starting to see now is the
facade is dropping. You cannot put on an act this
far along in the game, and you're seeing people's tempers rise.
You're seeing people isolate themselves, like Pauli's one for me
that I'm seeing that things aren't going his way or whatever.
Doubt is creeping in and he's removing himself from the group,
(20:43):
which is probably the complete opposite, but in reverse, he's
isolating himself and no one's getting around him, and for me,
probably shows more character traits on everyone else's behalf as
well as his, because if someone's completely isolating themselves, you
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need to bind together because it's a team thing. You
need everyone to get over the line. And that's probably
been a massive one that I've seen in day five.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm kind of surprised, I think
more than I just really like to see somebody step
up and just kind of reach out and say, hey, listen,
let's bring you back in here, because we need everybody
to get through this. So let's get to the first change,
which was when the teams had to go to the beach,
grab a zodiac and take it out onto the water,
paddle it out around, and come back after a quick
(21:34):
beach beasting, which you and I will know better than most.
It is not fun. It is really awful the beach beasting.
The sand gets in all of the wrong places, and
it's tough, so they're really wearing them down. Tell me
about who you saw and what you observed in that process,
from the beaching right through that process.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
The beach beasting is probably the hardest, not to mention
they would have ran a few kilometers before even getting
to the beach. There's thirteen recruits that remain, so it's
uneven and with the zodiac, you're paddling through the ways
and the only way you're going to get through that
is by timing, and the only way you're going to
get timing is by voice. And I think that there
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was probably a bit of a lack of that. I
know that Jeff really stepped up in my eyes with that,
really tried to take some ownership and leadership with that.
I think it helped to some degree, but I don't
think anyone in my eyes actually stood out in this task.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I think Jeff was pretty good. What I liked is
he did not give up. You know, there was no
quitting right until he got back to the beach front.
And I really admired that communication one hundred percent, like, yeah,
you've got to get the raft out, you know where
you're going. But again, you know the DS pointed this out.
Just stop for a second, think about what you're going
to do. Number one, where do you put the majority
of the weight in the boat? I'd be thinking about that.
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Do you put the stronger people at the back of
a lot of people in front, or do you know
that you're gonna hit waves so you put the heavy
people forward and get them to paddle. Just a quick
piece of leadership there and communication amongst all of them
as leaders themselves would have made a huge difference. They
would have gone out and found it a lot easier.
But again, you know, it's the lack of voice, the
lack of communication. There's a reluctance there for people to
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speak up or speak out.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And I don't know if it's because there are some
that are normally in those leadership roles are jumping to it,
so everyone's sort of following behind and not really saying anything,
but I feel like at this point in the course,
if something needs to be done and someone needs to
step in, they've really got to take that confidence. And
for me, Jeff was that he really saw the opportunity
(23:39):
and he took it. So I'm happy for him. I'm
so glad that he did. The others, Yeah, I'm not
so impressed.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
With Elliot obviously VW I reckon everybody watching that would
have been going, No. You know, you're combining fatigue, you're
combining really hard effort and of course water, treacherous water.
Being in that water when you're fully closed and you've
got boots on and you're in sand drag is a
lot harder than people think it is. You would not
do that at the beach on your day off. And
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she was not coping. You could see it. And again,
you know, go back to the cracks that we could
see the cracks there begun earlier. Yeah, with water, her
fear of water, and then that just compounded and you
could just see the moment which is when I can't
do this anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
It's real shame because I actually think that they would
have gone pretty far if they could get through this task.
But you know, as we see it, the cracks are
early and it's hard to convince yourself otherwise.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Much beloved recruit unfortunately gone. But let's move on to
the next task. In the same teams, the recruits had
to plan how they'd climb a rope ladder up a
sheer cliff and ensure the safety of all the recruits,
plus haul up a heavy rope and equipment bags, all
whilst keeping constant communication from top to bottom. There's a
lot going on here. It's pretty complicated. The critical element
(24:54):
here is not the physicality, is it, Sabrina. It's the communication. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I think this, for me is where the recruits went wrong.
Is they thought this task was just the task. They
weren't thinking about it in real time in how they
would want to approach it if you were out on
actual mission, you know, being very clear with the communication,
making sure that each and every one of them is
accounted for and made sure they were going up the
(25:18):
right way. The one thing I will say is the
girls like they smashed this absolutely, they really really stepped
it up faultless. It proves again that it's the brains
over the bronze.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yep, not many of them.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Have really tried to take over, but they've been very
clear about their communication. And it really showed Rihanna Kran
This was her little golden moment where she just showed
that complete confidence, no shadow of a doubt. She knew
exactly what she was saying. She had full confidence in
what she was saying. And for me, it's really put
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her up the top.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yep, definitely. And as you pointed out, usually the task
that you see is not the tasks that they're testing
you for. And this is one of the best examples.
So many, in fact, all of them men, I would say,
all thought this was a physical task. It's not a
physical task. This is a communication task. That's what they're testing.
The physical stuff is just there to help you set
(26:16):
the framework to see how you communicate. And obviously on
one team it was absolutely appalling. But can I just
point out again Wayne Carey and ladders, mate, Seriously, what
do you just get a rope swing? I don't know,
I don't know what the solution. Here's get some stairs.
But ropes are not your thing. Don't underestimate to how
(26:40):
difficult those ropes are to climb. But there is a
technique to it. And this is where Wayne went wrong
and others went wrong. Bullet a gate at it. But
there's actually a technique which I think one of the
recruits pointed out, use your legs. It was one of
the girls, Yeah, said drive through your legs. Drive through
your legs because your arms are cooks.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yes, merely said that.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Again. Technique communication, you're telling your fellow recruits this is
the way to get through it, and communicating the whole way.
It was really really well done.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I was very impressed by that, the way they got
the bag up and that the recruits up. Yet it
may have not been one hundred percent perfect in the
eyes of the DS, but like you said, this wasn't
about that. It was about the communication and the leadership,
and they aced it the other team. The communication was
completely off and it really showed because they struggled. At
(27:32):
one point, you know, they lost Anna Heinrich didn't really
even know that she was climbing.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
No got good enough.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Not good enough because in a real setting something could
have happened to her and no one would have known.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
So Brendan. Before we move on to the Lockey and
Paul debarc which I can't wait to talk about. We
obviously saw afo legend Wayne Carey VW after struggling with
a severe shoulder injury. The fact of the matter is
injuries have to be expected, you really do. Everyone By
this stage, somebody's carrying a small niggle at the very least,
(28:03):
or a severe injury if they're in real trouble. He
made the decision to go without, you know, staying over
one one more day. What did you think about that?
And what do you think generally about, you know, the
management of pain and management of injury.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Obviously I don't know how serious the injury was, but
what I do know carrying injury through that course, you
have a decision to make. The injury has already happened.
You've got to almost assess how much worse can it get?
At that point And for me personally, I can only
only speak on this is at the stage that I
hurt my back, I thought I'm going to take every
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single task as it comes, because you might get to
the next day and go Actually I didn't really even
strain my back at all, and then you've got a
day's recovery before you go again. You never know what's
going to be around the corner. Definitely, the one thing
I will say, not knowing really anything about how serious
that injury was, is just see, just see what's around
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the corner. See if you can go at it, and
if you probably can't get through it, then I'd probably
v W.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
But you just never know on that course, you never
know what's around the corner. What could be around the
corner is a really good period of recovery for that
particular injury. You know, that was the same case for me.
I'll get injured and I thought this could go on,
the next thing could wipe me out. Maybe it doesn't,
and it doesn't, so you know it is It is
definitely about how you manage it. Well. Up next, we
(29:26):
are going to dive into the lockey and poorly ongoing
home and Away drama on SAS Australia. Well well, well
lucky and poorly. The drama unfolds, and I'm gonna say
(29:49):
it is awesome. I love. I didn't think I wanted
to see drama. I just thought I wanted just to
see battle challenges. But Sabrina, the file works are absolutely real,
aren't they.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I've got to agree, Like I'm normally not one for drama,
but in this scenario, it's quite enjoyable, and it's probably
made an impact on the other recruits and how they're
dealing with the course as well. So I'm here for it.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Look, let's recap their beef so far, because it's only
escalated and it's got to the point now where it
is really seriously an issue for the ds and let's
so strangely for the other recruits. It all began with
a vehicle extraction. Locke blamed Poorly for the car being
in gear, which blew up into a verbal confrontation. Poorly
later tried to bury the hatchet, which we liked, but
Locke couldn't let it go and went around to the
(30:40):
other recruits trying to pull them aside and cause a
bit of division there. That was not cool. Then, as
we talked about earlier, they worked well together. Yes, when
they're in the pepper Spray challenge, they were good. It
was sold things will look at positive. Nah, this is it.
This is the moment where it turns. Then that brings
us to this episode where Locki and Paulie were once
again put on the same team and he just blew
(31:03):
up de luxe. Paul It definitely underperformed as a leader
in the first task, and it brings us to the
Waterfall climb, where Lockey immediately undermines Paula's leadership by taking
charge as soon as he reaches the top. Lockie wants
Poulie to send up the bag, but poorly wants to
wait till most of the team is up the cliff first.
Let's take a listen. Richard has reached the top. Someone
(31:26):
bring the bag with them and then we'll pull her up.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Just hold hold up, Why don't we send some more
people up.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I don't need help pulling up fifteen kilos Pully. My
hardest thing is, like everything I do, I'm always the leader.
I'm always the captain. I'm always at the front. Just
wait for the right mate.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Let's get a few more people up there.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Let's just get moving on a bag. As soon as
Anna's out of the way.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
She's not on the ladder to head.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
We don't want Anna. We want a bag. Just get
a bag and look up to the pro she's she's
not on the ladder yead, So just just wait a minute.
He just wants everyone to get up before we start.
This doesn't make any sense. I know you, Sabrina. You
would have you if you'd been at the top of
that cliff at that stage, you would have said something.
(32:11):
What would you have said to Lockeye about that unfolding
situation and the debarcle, because you would have known that
it was not going in a positive direction.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Honestly, I would say it doesn't matter. Let'd say leave it.
It doesn't matter, It really doesn't. I actually think Paulie
was onto something because a bag traveling up at the
same time as a recruit going up, there's more it's
it leads more room for error, it leads more room
for people to get injured. So I actually appreciated Paulie's plan.
Irrespective of what you think if you can carry fifteen
(32:43):
kilos yourself or whatever, it's not about you.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
It was just it was really tangible, wasn't it Like
how Lockie was just deliberately trying to sabotage Pauli's efforts.
After the challenge finishes that are on the way back
to base camp, if I just continue news, what was
the problem about me sending the rope down a big,
giant yellow rope and then.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
You just in case what because it was exactly a grass.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That means I've picked it.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Great location, where you got up minutes.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Quicker mission done? What the man? You're a monkey man?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Things.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
We all had a great plant and you well just
admit it and we will make You're a root. That
really kicked off.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Honestly, the yellow yellow Richard little joke there in the
heat of an argument.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, I mean Richard too. Richard Buttrose is not a
bloke who should be telling anybody what to do with
heavy bags of particularly if it's six kilos or above. Richard,
you tap out, mate, I'm afraid, but I think it
was you who said the park the ego, Yes, and
again that word has come back, unlocky. His ego is
(34:06):
not his strength. It's his weakness. It's beginning to show there.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
You've just you've just got to say, guys, stop it.
Cut it out like it's happened already, like move on.
What frustrates me is them fighting is wasting energy, and
it's also disrupting them morale amongst every single other person
like them. Arguing is not helping anyone. I think that's
probably the most frustrating part about it. I mean, obviously
(34:32):
it's quite fun for us viewers, but I would have
hated to be in that truck with them, and the.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Tensions only got high. Poorly once again tries to clear
the air and move on, but it doesn't happen easily,
and it got very fiery, and it culminated in this.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Let's just be unbelieve. Let bygones, be bygones, Let the water.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
What do you want?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
You want?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I want?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I want to be the best person I can be.
How do we fix us?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I'm trying to come to a resolution.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Take a breath.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Take a breath, right, I'm calm.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Okay, take a breath.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I am calm. He's the olive branch the last time.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
I want to make peace with you.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I want to go forward. We're moving forward as a
sole team, best assets.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
We're leaving the.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Shit behind it. We're moving forward. Yes, here we go.
That's the way I meant it.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I'm happy about that. Did you believe that was genuine?
When they went back into the accommodation after that?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
No, like if you you know, bygnes, big bygones and
then go back into the accommodation. And that was followed
by him then saying a lot of rubbish to everybody
else behind Paul's back. It's not genuine at all. And
the frustration here is genuine, Like I knew that these
two aren't going to get on, and I knew that
(35:56):
they weren't going to resolve it, and I had hopes
that they were just going to put it behind them
when they did so well and then a team task.
But for some reason, these guys, they just think they
have to be number one, like they both do, and
for some reason they're clashing and they don't realize it's
not about I.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It's I.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
If you listen to everything they talk about, it's III,
not we, not the team needs us like any of that.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
That's a good pick up, you know, even what he.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Said thereby you know, I'm trying to be the best
person I can be. Like what that has nothing to
do with anything that's gone on.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And that's the problem, isn't it. It's their focus on
the I and the individual as opposed to the team.
What is interesting is that, of course the DS are
going to pick up on this as well. They see everything.
They know that, you know, even if they don't register
it at the time, don't worry, they've banked it. And
with a surprise kit inspection that happened later on, lockeye
and poorly got singled out and they got drenched. All
(36:54):
the recruits got drenched as punishment. But as put a
question to the team brutal this one, number two, you.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Step out here, Number ten, step out here, number four.
Between these two, who is the bigger liability on the
ground in the accommodation? Who is the bigger liability? Number two? Staff,
(37:22):
number twelve, same question number.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Two, Staff.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Six, same question number two Staff. Very interesting that you
should say that, because we were talking about you two
this evening, and we were talking about being a liability.
You number ten actually git the post. I don't know
(37:48):
what type of voodoo magic he's got over you. Number ten,
You are the biggest liability at this moment. Number two,
he think you might just drawing level that shambles this.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Evening, absolutely dressing down. Isn't it like to have the recruits?
It's a double way, Miss Sabrina, because the recruits of
all had to stay to publicly. That's hard enough as
it is, we've been there, but then to be broken
down by Aunt Middleton like that so fully. I was
thinking this will either be a breakthrough or a breakdown
(38:27):
from both of them. This is a turning point for
both of them.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, I agree. I think that no doubt the DS
have seen everything, and when those guys were arguing outside,
no doubt they heard it. Everyone would have heard it.
With this scenario, it's so interesting to see the recruit
dynamic that they've picked Poorly is the more of the
liability because I actually agree with ants straight off the bat.
(38:52):
I felt like Lockie is more of a liability because
in the real world scenario, he's the type that would
get you killed.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Definitely, Definitely, that's what I was thinking. I didn't think
Lockie was the less of the liability. I think it
was more of the liability with Poorly. You could drag
him along, you could help him a group that could
bring him with them, right, But you can't bring Locky
with you. Lockie tries to bring everybody in his wake.
It's a very different mindset. And that's a funny thing.
Like the DS, they know who you are, They figured
(39:20):
you out by this stage, and they absolutely pinned Lockee.
And again, you know we said this from the get go.
They would have a look at his ego and go,
that's where we will get you. We are going to
target you. And I think one of the big ones was,
you know, when he was called a liability, he went
back into the accommodation Sabrina and he just could not
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take that. Now, that's what really rattled him, being you know,
trying to justify that his socks were dry, trying to
justify that he's not a liability. He became emotionally distraught
and he lost emotional control, which shows how important his
ego is to him.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I think that for the first time we've seen him,
we've seen a small crack in his armor, and that
I don't think anyone's ever talked to him like that
for ever, you know, emotion like he you know, he
talks about the fact that he doesn't cry, and he
gets really emotional and starts crying. As much as what
has happened already, I genuinely do think that this is
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this could be a turning moment, because everyone knows that
when you get broke down on this course, it's an
opportunity to then grow Or does he go no, I
still know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, Because here's the thing, Like if he does, if
he turns it around, and if he takes on board
every ounce of that and turns it into a harnessed weapon.
He will crush this course, it's in his hands. He
can absolutely crush it. I give him a better chance
from here than I did at the start of the
season because he's got so much more motivation if he
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chooses to park the ego and to go with that direction.
And Paulie, oh look, I think Paulie is starting to
isolate him, and that's what worries me. I think this
is going to eat him away. So again another turning point.
This could eat him away. It could change his behavior.
Like I said, it's either breakdown or break through from here.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Voodoo magic, this part of it where Ant has come
in and almost shattered the glass. Do you think the
recruits will actually see the scenario for what it is
now or do you think that they'll just carry on?
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
A Middleton has basically said to them, you guys are
under a spell. Yeah, And now they'll start thinking about that.
They'll start thinking about the way they respond to Lockie
and I reckon he's going to lose his power and
he's clout in the accommodation and that may actually affect
him even further. This could compound him. And at Middleton
has done that deliberately.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, one hundred percent. The DS don't do anything unintentional,
and we know that every single part of this is
constructed to break each and every one of you down.
And if you're not broken yet, that coming for you next.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I cannot wait to see what happens next week because
I reckon it's going to kick off in a massive way.
So thanks very much for listening. Sa Brenda, great to
be talking to you about this. As always, episodes drop
every Wednesday, so keep an the ear out for it.
We also have a bonus episode on Friday. It's a
little mini episode where we interrogate one of the recruits
who has left the show. To make sure you don't
(42:22):
miss a thing, watch Essay's Australia on Channel seven and
seven plus and catch the Essays Australia Debrief on the
iHeartRadio app. Thanks for listening, See you for the fireworks
display next week.
Well, this is a big call to make, but this
might be my favorite two episodes of sas Australia that
I have ever seen. I'm Merrek wats joined by Sabrina
Frederick Sabs. Is that a fair statement to make sure
leads up there?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I mean absolutely, except for maybe any of our episodes
from our season cry a little bit biased, but yeah, definitely,
I'm enjoying it so much these last two episodes totally.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I just I've seen the last two episodes and gone,
this is all of the things I love about SAS Australia,
the surprises, the beastings, the hard work that needs to
be put in, and the slow breakdown of people's personality traits.
Coming up on this week's debrief, we pick our mouths
up off the floor to discuss the incredible tasks set
in this week's episode. Plus we catch up with Simone
(00:48):
Holtznegel about her time on the course, and don't worry,
we will be dissecting that firy drama between Pauly Fennik
and Cocky Lucky towards the end of this episode. Well,
(01:09):
if you were to show just one episode of sas
Australia to a friend who had never seen the series.
It might just be this one. It had everything we
love about sas Australia, amazing set pieces, dangerous challenges and
to cap it off a late night beasting. It was beautiful.
It is so important this episode because it's about mindset, Sabrina.
(01:30):
What shifts in mindset have you seen or what worrying
signs of mindset have you seen creeping in in this episode?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, we talk about cracks cracks in the recruits early
and something that we've been probably closely monitoring over last
couple of episodes is you know, people making complaints, people
isolating themselves. All these signs are signs of you know
the fact that they're uncomfortable but it's getting to them.
(01:57):
A major one for me. I've got to say Simone,
she was overcome with that anxiety. You know, constantly talking
about the anxiety and the challenges ahead and you know,
getting emotions are good, but she constantly was probably letting
the emotions get to her and overwhelm her. I would
also say Anna has been another one. Anna Heinrich talking
(02:18):
about the fatigue that's beginning to set in. Those two
have been a major red flag for me.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, it's interesting. Look, I think Anna's done really, really well.
She's impressed me in some ways. But when you get
to this part of the course, the first few days
is just shock and awe as you know, like it's
and they deliberately do that just to completely discombobulate you,
and it's all physical. But then on day full, day five,
there's definitely a shift where you know, the physical stuff
is starting to take a toll and you become reliant
(02:46):
on your mindset and on your attitude too. So you know,
we're just saying about it, you know, dropping your chin
and being negative about your situation. You can't start putting
yourself into that mindset that early, otherwise you put yourself
into a dangerous position.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Which you almost say that as soon as you've accepted
that this scenario is not comfortable, that it's almost hard
to win back.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, definitely, I've never seen anybody shake them off. It'll
be interesting to see though, whether or not it might
be proven wrong in this series. I'm kind of hoping
that we see people get those cracks and then you know,
bounce back and control them. So see how that pans
out over the course of the series. Let's talk about
the first task the rapid extraction on the helicopter.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
This I love this. I've just got to say, this
to me is the epitome of a Mission impossible movie.
You know, we've talked about in the past how much
we loved the exercise of an R series where we
felt like we were in a mission impossible movie. This
is it for me. I feel like, as much as
it would have been intimidating looking at that, there would
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have been parts of them going this is awesome, dred.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Percent, Like I look at that with total envy. You
would be crapping yourself as you put your foot on
the edge of the boat, knowing you've only got five
seconds to get onto the chop all or nothing. It
must absolutely commit with every ounce of yourself, otherwise your
face planned really badly. Like simondid, I was just like, oh,
that has got to have ruined her money maker for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Honestly, that would have hurt so bad.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It looked spectacular. It was really high intensity, you know,
Like I mean, obviously for the average viewer, that is
an intense looking procedure, but like having had similar experiences
getting that timing right and also having the physical now too,
and I think they switched on pretty early. How you
grab onto the chopper is important as well, how you land,
you know, arm over arm, get up quickly. I think
(04:36):
it was It might have been Anna Heinrich Coud was
up like a rat up a draint so big. Yeah,
and that makes a huge difference. You know, get up,
get on the chop, I get move and get out
of there fast. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And she got the detail straight away, was up there
as fast you can be. And then probably on the
other end with recruit number one Ebony. You know, she
was first up and she did commit to it, but
you can tell the detail with not being to wrap
her arms around and almost grabbing it like monkey bars.
She completely slipped off and ended up missing that. In
the last few tasks, she's probably been lacking confidence, and
(05:10):
I think with this as much she didn't pass it.
I love the commitment. I love the confidence that she
had to just go for it.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I also love the term whistling shit can of death,
which is what Clint called the helicopter as went. That
is what I'm calling them from now on. That is
absolutely closs.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I love that. And something that really got to me
was Paulie Paullie putting a kiss on Ann Middleton?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What is with that?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yanna puts a cuddle on in a similar scenario, and
now Paulli puts a kiss on him. I feel like
he needs to get a you know, A bodyguard continues
to escalate.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Sabrinette next yearies, what are they going to do to
n middle Where does it? Where does it go from there? Look,
the Choper scene was great, there's some really really interesting things.
I thought my highlight from it was actually Richard Buttrose,
who just went, yep, no that now just throw myself
out the helicopter that please said take your seat, put
(06:07):
on a Seatburg You're like, I heard you out the door.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I think what this shows, though, is when you're under
so much pressure, there are some people that just assume things,
and some people genuinely make up stories in their own head.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I don't know if it's a case of not listening
or just not kind of filtering it and getting the
important points out of it. But if they don't start
sharpening up, and as you know, our ds friends would
say constantly switch on. If you don't switch on, they're
going to find it a lot harder going. Well, I reckon.
We can see the daily mail articles for this one already.
The next challenge was recruits working in pairs to remember
(06:41):
five digit code, memorizing it, then making their way upper
hill to unlock a box, which is all pretty easy
except for when you've been pepper sprayed in the face
and a bit in the mouth, heaps of it when
in people's mouths. Don't open your mouth when you're gonna
get pepper sprayed. Don't make a bad situation worse, Sabrina.
That is absolutely Is it worse than the gas from
(07:02):
last season.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Look, I've only taken pepper spray before. I've not taken gas.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
What have you been at touching policeman? What have you
been doing you?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was in a military setting for a camp. But
all I will say is that was terrible and it
stings for well after you've been pepper straight in the phrase,
so I know exactly what that's like. It's very hard
to stay composed. So I'm very very impressed with the
ones that did. The one thing I will say, though,
(07:34):
is when you're pepper sprayed, the last thing you do
is touch your face. It touch your face and touch
your eyes. And I felt like straight away there were
some people opening their eyes and touching their eyes, and
I'm thinking it's going all downhill from here.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, so that makes it worse if you try to
remove it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, it makes it worse, especially if you
get it in your eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's terrible, maybe locking you there. Because I did notice
that Locke was pretty flinching, and I was like, wow,
that's pretty cool man, Like that was he was pretty
stoic about it. He just tried to keep his eyes closed,
but he definitely wasn't rubbing it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
For me, a huge standout. I've got to say most
of the recruits obviously passed this challenge, but one I've
just got to highlight is Jeff. He handled that like
an absolute boss. I know at the start he struggled
a bit with the code, you can completely understand that.
But at the end, it's almost like he wasn't even
sprain in the face.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And he was also to the entire time he was
worried about where his fellow op was. Like, he was
always in touch and he was always kind of on
the directive, was moving forward, moving forward, not talking about
how bad it was. He was focused on getting to
the task and completing the task. I was really happy
for ebony because she'd had so many fails. She got
(08:48):
through this on a tick, but then she almost completely
blew it by gobbing off to the DS because as
you and I know, just don't you just don't just
never ever backlip them. But good on her for getting
through it. You know, I think you could see that
it gave her a bit of a pump up. She
needed that win.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
You can tell that for her, she rides off confidence
and then maybe being the boxer that she is, that's
what's going to help her push through this course. Another
two that did extremely well and surprise the hell out
of me, Lockie and Paulie working together. Yep, they did
this extremely well. They put aside their bs and got
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the job done.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, and it was perfect too, Like they absolutely no alder.
They worked together as a team. They were efficient. They
did really really well.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
The last one I just want to point on Wayne
Kerrey ladders.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
What is he got?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
He's got this thing with ladders, Like it's like he
sees the ladder and he just has to do something
with it, even if he's told nothing about the ladder
in this situation, he just he sees it and he
starts climbing.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I think ladders are his weakness. Maybe snakes are his strength.
There's a double meaning there. Well, we finally saw one.
I was waiting to see whether or not we would
get one shortly the beasting, and it was well worth
the way. It was a Sabranda. You and I love
seeing the recruits get the beastings because we understand how
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important they are to the process of breaking people down
and getting them into that state. And it was a
brutal one, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh it was terrible, And to be honest, I don't
know what's worse having the v sting or being responsible
for the beasting poorly running late to the parade square.
By the way, I wouldn't say running late because he
wasn't really running, but he was late to the parade
square and then being a part of that beasting. Honestly,
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I would be so shook knowing the rest of my
recruits went through that.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, but you know what, that's something you just expect, Like,
you know, it's his first kind of team punishment as
a result of his actions. It's the first one anyone's
really received for an individual action. It is tough, it
is tough to copy it, but you would cop it
for any teammate, Like I always felt like that. You know,
you're just as likely to make a mistake that's going
to result in a beasting anyway. So I think that,
you know, if anybody was overreacting and blame it on poorly,
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it's a bit unfair because it could have been them
as well. You know, it's just a nature of the beast.
It's when it's repeated over and over again that obviously,
as you and I know, that's when it becomes an
issue in terms of sas Australia. That is a shortened
version of what we know to be a much much
longer process that was brutal.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
At this point in the course, people already have niggles
and parts of injuries, and something like a beasting can
be what it takes to push someone over the line
and pretty much give them grief for the rest of
the time or almost make up their mind about if
they're going to be able to continue on in the course.
And I think that there was a few that really
struggled in that beasting.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, it sorts people out. I think it also to
sharpens up their minds. Yeah one percent. Well, somebody who
escaped the beasting and then got a beast in verbally
from me on last week's episode, Simone Holtznagel, She's really
got a timing issues wrong, hasn't she.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The one thing I will say is like, how do
you choose to take the pepper spray and then VW afterwards?
Is beyond me?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Leave before the house burns down. She's joining us up
next to no doubt return Volley. Well. She pushed herself
out of her comfort zone and risked her key money
making asset by letting the DS sit her on fire,
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shoot it with pepper spray, throw her out of her boat.
Simone Holtznagel joins us. Welcome to the debrief.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Hello guy, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I've got to say, because if we don't, I've got
to address it. Well done. It did surprise me. You
went further than I thought, and you did actually earn
my respects. But you know that I did label you
the most annoying person at the start of the series.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yes you did. I mean, look, if you ask my shit,
because I am the most annoying.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Person, that's all right. To be honest. If I was
reviewing our own show, I would have picked Merk for
the most annoying, so I still do. It's a compliment,
but it's so nice to have you simone. Honestly, I
always say that the people that put themselves forward for
this course, it's an amazing feat and you've got to
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give people respect because it's something that not many people
would actually put them hands up for. I've just got
to say, straight off the bat, though, why did you
go on this show? Like why did you go onsays Australia.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
My real reason is because I need a new car.
My other reason is it was in lockdown.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I was bored.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I needed something to work towards. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, And you know what, they're all good, valid reasons.
I mean, I don't know if they are the sort
of reasons that we'll get you right through the course,
but they'll certainly they'll certainly get you a bit of
a bit of the way. I will say this. I
said that you would be the most annoying only purely
because you did do a lot of very very strong
model complaining right. But what I did like and genuinely
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respectful is when it came to the pepper spray, which
is horrific. It didn't actually win, just you were not
complaining about it. You did take it when you could
have just bailed and not done it. Why did you?
Why did you take the pepper spray?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I have no idea because thinking back to that, that
is like the dumbest decision, like who gets pray? I
should have just like during them, I was dying.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Wow, And see, this is why people are going to
miss you now from the show, Like and I know
that definitely Sprenda and I are two of them. We're
going to miss you because of the fact that you
are unpredictable, in the fact that you do offer a
bit of humor to it. But I was literally thinking
to myself, why would you leave after he gets sprayed?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I know it's so stupid. Thinking back, yeah, I should
have done it, but at the time, I like, I
didn't also want Jeff to suffer because I was like
I couldn't cope. Yeah, but yeah, I saw every God
that day. I thought I was literally gonna die. I
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had like a chanic or burn on my head. It
was awful.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, but you know you did it though, like all
of these things you did you voluntarily Withdrew, but you
did the stuff like you did the required amount. You
know what you're probably your greatest fear, honestly is ruining
or hurting your face, because that is actually how you
make a living, and you put it on the line
a few times a you nearly had it set on fire,
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but you had it pepper spray. That's not a good idea.
And that face plant that you did off the boat
in trying to jump onto the chopple was absolutely all
the time.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I was actually out of everything that I did. The
one jumping from the boat to the helicopter, I was like, Oh,
this is show up my alley. I can do this
when it comes to me. And then I was like
ready to go, and then wat you get back. I
can see that everyone actually stands up on the side
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of the boat and my dumb ass just tried to
jump like while I was standing next to Olie.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, and like the.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Worst thing that could have happened, because I was like,
if I miss, I'm going to land in the propeller
and I'll be shark me.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know you're going to jump
that high that you would go into the rotor. But
I mean, sure to be honest, like when you left
doing oh she's gonna oh no, she's not. She's gonna
make it and whack.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah. I was like, so teen to make that, and
then I was just like, you know what, if I
don't attempt it, they're gonna yell at me anyway, so
I may as well just do it.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I want to know what was the group dynamic like
when you were in there. You know, there are some
moments we've seen that tensions were raised within the group,
but we don't get to see everything and America and
I know that. I want to know what the group
dynamic was like in there with you.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, I mean from what I saw for the four days,
everyone was great, like everyone got along, and then I
know certain things happened, and I'm shadow wasn't there to
witness it. You know what It's like, just some people
don't click. Yeah, yeah, you just don't like some people.
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I think I liked everyone, and I'm going to assume
everyone liked me.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
But it just seems like, you know, there was some
people were bonding and some people were separating. You know,
you seem to be more like one of those people
that started to bond with other people. I think there's
a moment there where I think you and Millie tried
to bond over how to read a watch, and I
thought that was amazing, and neither of you could still
read a watch because we had to. It was subtract
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at twelve for the time.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I know. After watching that back, it's just I'm like,
I can read twenty four hours? Why do we do that?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It was so funny watching you to discuss the clock though.
I'm not gonna lie, it was great.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
To be fair though, You've got to find some light,
you know, during the day because you're so hungry, you're
so fatigued. You know, you're constantly being tested and under pressure.
I feel like the team are our and the recruits
in there with you are so so important. I think
sometimes even underestimated in a course like this last question,
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you know, knowing everything that's gone on, knowing what the
course is like and what went on after you, would
you do it all again?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah? I would. Actually, I feel like I would handle
it so much better. And that's why I like watch
to get back. I'm like, oh my god, why did
I freak out about that? Just like you know, chill
out a bit.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, listen, you went on it, you did it, you
had a crack and you did your best and for
respect to you. Thanks for coming on to the debrief
because I would have told me to shove it up
my ass. So after all the shit talking.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
No, honestly some and it's been a pleasure. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Thanks guys, have a good day.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Sabrina Episode five, Leadership Day five. I reckon it is
an absolute turning point in the Essays Australia experience, both
for our season and of course of the last season
as well, because that's when the scales begin to tip
and anyone who's been kind of getting through just relying
on their physical strengths begins to crack and you get
to see a different element of the personality. This is
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all completely designed by the DS as well. They know
that around about this stage people are going to change.
What were some of the things that you saw in
that fifth episode, which I would say is probably one
of my favorite so far. What did you see emerging?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I think I agree with you completely. When you get
to day five, the fatigue sets in, the hunger sets in.
You realize you're not even halfway yet, but it's so painful.
You're dealing with different dynamics in a group and it's
hard to live with people anyway, but you know, complete strangers.
It's all weighs on you. And I think that day five,
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for me, what I'm starting to see now is the
facade is dropping. You cannot put on an act this
far along in the game, and you're seeing people's tempers rise.
You're seeing people isolate themselves, like Pauli's one for me
that I'm seeing that things aren't going his way or whatever.
Doubt is creeping in and he's removing himself from the group,
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which is probably the complete opposite, but in reverse, he's
isolating himself and no one's getting around him, and for me,
probably shows more character traits on everyone else's behalf as
well as his, because if someone's completely isolating themselves, you
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need to bind together because it's a team thing. You
need everyone to get over the line. And that's probably
been a massive one that I've seen in day five.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm kind of surprised, I think
more than I just really like to see somebody step
up and just kind of reach out and say, hey, listen,
let's bring you back in here, because we need everybody
to get through this. So let's get to the first change,
which was when the teams had to go to the beach,
grab a zodiac and take it out onto the water,
paddle it out around, and come back after a quick
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beach beasting, which you and I will know better than most.
It is not fun. It is really awful the beach beasting.
The sand gets in all of the wrong places, and
it's tough, so they're really wearing them down. Tell me
about who you saw and what you observed in that process,
from the beaching right through that process.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
The beach beasting is probably the hardest, not to mention
they would have ran a few kilometers before even getting
to the beach. There's thirteen recruits that remain, so it's
uneven and with the zodiac, you're paddling through the ways
and the only way you're going to get through that
is by timing, and the only way you're going to
get timing is by voice. And I think that there
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was probably a bit of a lack of that. I
know that Jeff really stepped up in my eyes with that,
really tried to take some ownership and leadership with that.
I think it helped to some degree, but I don't
think anyone in my eyes actually stood out in this task.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I think Jeff was pretty good. What I liked is
he did not give up. You know, there was no
quitting right until he got back to the beach front.
And I really admired that communication one hundred percent, like, yeah,
you've got to get the raft out, you know where
you're going. But again, you know the DS pointed this out.
Just stop for a second, think about what you're going
to do. Number one, where do you put the majority
of the weight in the boat? I'd be thinking about that.
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Do you put the stronger people at the back of
a lot of people in front, or do you know
that you're gonna hit waves so you put the heavy
people forward and get them to paddle. Just a quick
piece of leadership there and communication amongst all of them
as leaders themselves would have made a huge difference. They
would have gone out and found it a lot easier.
But again, you know, it's the lack of voice, the
lack of communication. There's a reluctance there for people to
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speak up or speak out.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And I don't know if it's because there are some
that are normally in those leadership roles are jumping to it,
so everyone's sort of following behind and not really saying anything,
but I feel like at this point in the course,
if something needs to be done and someone needs to
step in, they've really got to take that confidence. And
for me, Jeff was that he really saw the opportunity
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and he took it. So I'm happy for him. I'm
so glad that he did. The others, Yeah, I'm not
so impressed.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
With Elliot obviously VW I reckon everybody watching that would
have been going, No. You know, you're combining fatigue, you're
combining really hard effort and of course water, treacherous water.
Being in that water when you're fully closed and you've
got boots on and you're in sand drag is a
lot harder than people think it is. You would not
do that at the beach on your day off. And
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she was not coping. You could see it. And again,
you know, go back to the cracks that we could
see the cracks there begun earlier. Yeah, with water, her
fear of water, and then that just compounded and you
could just see the moment which is when I can't
do this anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
It's real shame because I actually think that they would
have gone pretty far if they could get through this task.
But you know, as we see it, the cracks are
early and it's hard to convince yourself otherwise.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Much beloved recruit unfortunately gone. But let's move on to
the next task. In the same teams, the recruits had
to plan how they'd climb a rope ladder up a
sheer cliff and ensure the safety of all the recruits,
plus haul up a heavy rope and equipment bags, all
whilst keeping constant communication from top to bottom. There's a
lot going on here. It's pretty complicated. The critical element
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here is not the physicality, is it, Sabrina. It's the communication. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I think this, for me is where the recruits went wrong.
Is they thought this task was just the task. They
weren't thinking about it in real time in how they
would want to approach it if you were out on
actual mission, you know, being very clear with the communication,
making sure that each and every one of them is
accounted for and made sure they were going up the
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right way. The one thing I will say is the
girls like they smashed this absolutely, they really really stepped
it up faultless. It proves again that it's the brains
over the bronze.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yep, not many of them.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Have really tried to take over, but they've been very
clear about their communication. And it really showed Rihanna Kran
This was her little golden moment where she just showed
that complete confidence, no shadow of a doubt. She knew
exactly what she was saying. She had full confidence in
what she was saying. And for me, it's really put
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her up the top.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yep, definitely. And as you pointed out, usually the task
that you see is not the tasks that they're testing
you for. And this is one of the best examples.
So many, in fact, all of them men, I would say,
all thought this was a physical task. It's not a
physical task. This is a communication task. That's what they're testing.
The physical stuff is just there to help you set
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the framework to see how you communicate. And obviously on
one team it was absolutely appalling. But can I just
point out again Wayne Carey and ladders, mate, Seriously, what
do you just get a rope swing? I don't know,
I don't know what the solution. Here's get some stairs.
But ropes are not your thing. Don't underestimate to how
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difficult those ropes are to climb. But there is a
technique to it. And this is where Wayne went wrong
and others went wrong. Bullet a gate at it. But
there's actually a technique which I think one of the
recruits pointed out, use your legs. It was one of
the girls, Yeah, said drive through your legs. Drive through
your legs because your arms are cooks.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yes, merely said that.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Again. Technique communication, you're telling your fellow recruits this is
the way to get through it, and communicating the whole way.
It was really really well done.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I was very impressed by that, the way they got
the bag up and that the recruits up. Yet it
may have not been one hundred percent perfect in the
eyes of the DS, but like you said, this wasn't
about that. It was about the communication and the leadership,
and they aced it the other team. The communication was
completely off and it really showed because they struggled. At
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one point, you know, they lost Anna Heinrich didn't really
even know that she was climbing.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
No got good enough.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Not good enough because in a real setting something could
have happened to her and no one would have known.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
So Brendan. Before we move on to the Lockey and
Paul debarc which I can't wait to talk about. We
obviously saw afo legend Wayne Carey VW after struggling with
a severe shoulder injury. The fact of the matter is
injuries have to be expected, you really do. Everyone By
this stage, somebody's carrying a small niggle at the very least,
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or a severe injury if they're in real trouble. He
made the decision to go without, you know, staying over
one one more day. What did you think about that?
And what do you think generally about, you know, the
management of pain and management of injury.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Obviously I don't know how serious the injury was, but
what I do know carrying injury through that course, you
have a decision to make. The injury has already happened.
You've got to almost assess how much worse can it get?
At that point And for me personally, I can only
only speak on this is at the stage that I
hurt my back, I thought I'm going to take every
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single task as it comes, because you might get to
the next day and go Actually I didn't really even
strain my back at all, and then you've got a
day's recovery before you go again. You never know what's
going to be around the corner. Definitely, the one thing
I will say, not knowing really anything about how serious
that injury was, is just see, just see what's around
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the corner. See if you can go at it, and
if you probably can't get through it, then I'd probably
v W.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
But you just never know on that course, you never
know what's around the corner. What could be around the
corner is a really good period of recovery for that
particular injury. You know, that was the same case for me.
I'll get injured and I thought this could go on,
the next thing could wipe me out. Maybe it doesn't,
and it doesn't, so you know it is It is
definitely about how you manage it. Well. Up next, we
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are going to dive into the lockey and poorly ongoing
home and Away drama on SAS Australia. Well well, well
lucky and poorly. The drama unfolds, and I'm gonna say
(29:49):
it is awesome. I love. I didn't think I wanted
to see drama. I just thought I wanted just to
see battle challenges. But Sabrina, the file works are absolutely real,
aren't they.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I've got to agree, Like I'm normally not one for drama,
but in this scenario, it's quite enjoyable, and it's probably
made an impact on the other recruits and how they're
dealing with the course as well. So I'm here for it.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Look, let's recap their beef so far, because it's only
escalated and it's got to the point now where it
is really seriously an issue for the ds and let's
so strangely for the other recruits. It all began with
a vehicle extraction. Locke blamed Poorly for the car being
in gear, which blew up into a verbal confrontation. Poorly
later tried to bury the hatchet, which we liked, but
Locke couldn't let it go and went around to the
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other recruits trying to pull them aside and cause a
bit of division there. That was not cool. Then, as
we talked about earlier, they worked well together. Yes, when
they're in the pepper Spray challenge, they were good. It
was sold things will look at positive. Nah, this is it.
This is the moment where it turns. Then that brings
us to this episode where Locki and Paulie were once
again put on the same team and he just blew
(31:03):
up de luxe. Paul It definitely underperformed as a leader
in the first task, and it brings us to the
Waterfall climb, where Lockey immediately undermines Paula's leadership by taking
charge as soon as he reaches the top. Lockie wants
Poulie to send up the bag, but poorly wants to
wait till most of the team is up the cliff first.
Let's take a listen. Richard has reached the top. Someone
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bring the bag with them and then we'll pull her up.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Just hold hold up, Why don't we send some more
people up.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I don't need help pulling up fifteen kilos Pully. My
hardest thing is, like everything I do, I'm always the leader.
I'm always the captain. I'm always at the front. Just
wait for the right mate.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Let's get a few more people up there.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Let's just get moving on a bag. As soon as
Anna's out of the way.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
She's not on the ladder to head.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
We don't want Anna. We want a bag. Just get
a bag and look up to the pro she's she's
not on the ladder yead, So just just wait a minute.
He just wants everyone to get up before we start.
This doesn't make any sense. I know you, Sabrina. You
would have you if you'd been at the top of
that cliff at that stage, you would have said something.
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What would you have said to Lockeye about that unfolding
situation and the debarcle, because you would have known that
it was not going in a positive direction.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Honestly, I would say it doesn't matter. Let'd say leave it.
It doesn't matter, It really doesn't. I actually think Paulie
was onto something because a bag traveling up at the
same time as a recruit going up, there's more it's
it leads more room for error, it leads more room
for people to get injured. So I actually appreciated Paulie's plan.
Irrespective of what you think if you can carry fifteen
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kilos yourself or whatever, it's not about you.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
It was just it was really tangible, wasn't it Like
how Lockie was just deliberately trying to sabotage Pauli's efforts.
After the challenge finishes that are on the way back
to base camp, if I just continue news, what was
the problem about me sending the rope down a big,
giant yellow rope and then.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
You just in case what because it was exactly a grass.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That means I've picked it.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Great location, where you got up minutes.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Quicker mission done? What the man? You're a monkey man?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Things.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
We all had a great plant and you well just
admit it and we will make You're a root. That
really kicked off.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Honestly, the yellow yellow Richard little joke there in the
heat of an argument.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, I mean Richard too. Richard Buttrose is not a
bloke who should be telling anybody what to do with
heavy bags of particularly if it's six kilos or above. Richard,
you tap out, mate, I'm afraid, but I think it
was you who said the park the ego, Yes, and
again that word has come back, unlocky. His ego is
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not his strength. It's his weakness. It's beginning to show there.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
You've just you've just got to say, guys, stop it.
Cut it out like it's happened already, like move on.
What frustrates me is them fighting is wasting energy, and
it's also disrupting them morale amongst every single other person
like them. Arguing is not helping anyone. I think that's
probably the most frustrating part about it. I mean, obviously
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it's quite fun for us viewers, but I would have
hated to be in that truck with them, and the.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Tensions only got high. Poorly once again tries to clear
the air and move on, but it doesn't happen easily,
and it got very fiery, and it culminated in this.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Let's just be unbelieve. Let bygones, be bygones, Let the water.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
What do you want?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
You want?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I want?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I want to be the best person I can be.
How do we fix us?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I'm trying to come to a resolution.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Take a breath.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Take a breath, right, I'm calm.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Okay, take a breath.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I am calm. He's the olive branch the last time.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
I want to make peace with you.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I want to go forward. We're moving forward as a
sole team, best assets.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
We're leaving the.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Shit behind it. We're moving forward. Yes, here we go.
That's the way I meant it.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I'm happy about that. Did you believe that was genuine?
When they went back into the accommodation after that?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
No, like if you you know, bygnes, big bygones and
then go back into the accommodation. And that was followed
by him then saying a lot of rubbish to everybody
else behind Paul's back. It's not genuine at all. And
the frustration here is genuine, Like I knew that these
two aren't going to get on, and I knew that
(35:56):
they weren't going to resolve it, and I had hopes
that they were just going to put it behind them
when they did so well and then a team task.
But for some reason, these guys, they just think they
have to be number one, like they both do, and
for some reason they're clashing and they don't realize it's
not about I.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It's I.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
If you listen to everything they talk about, it's III,
not we, not the team needs us like any of that.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
That's a good pick up, you know, even what he.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Said thereby you know, I'm trying to be the best
person I can be. Like what that has nothing to
do with anything that's gone on.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And that's the problem, isn't it. It's their focus on
the I and the individual as opposed to the team.
What is interesting is that, of course the DS are
going to pick up on this as well. They see everything.
They know that, you know, even if they don't register
it at the time, don't worry, they've banked it. And
with a surprise kit inspection that happened later on, lockeye
and poorly got singled out and they got drenched. All
(36:54):
the recruits got drenched as punishment. But as put a
question to the team brutal this one, number two, you.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Step out here, Number ten, step out here, number four.
Between these two, who is the bigger liability on the
ground in the accommodation? Who is the bigger liability? Number two? Staff,
(37:22):
number twelve, same question number.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Two, Staff.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Six, same question number two Staff. Very interesting that you
should say that, because we were talking about you two
this evening, and we were talking about being a liability.
You number ten actually git the post. I don't know
(37:48):
what type of voodoo magic he's got over you. Number ten,
You are the biggest liability at this moment. Number two,
he think you might just drawing level that shambles this.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Evening, absolutely dressing down. Isn't it like to have the recruits?
It's a double way, Miss Sabrina, because the recruits of
all had to stay to publicly. That's hard enough as
it is, we've been there, but then to be broken
down by Aunt Middleton like that so fully. I was
thinking this will either be a breakthrough or a breakdown
(38:27):
from both of them. This is a turning point for
both of them.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, I agree. I think that no doubt the DS
have seen everything, and when those guys were arguing outside,
no doubt they heard it. Everyone would have heard it.
With this scenario, it's so interesting to see the recruit
dynamic that they've picked Poorly is the more of the
liability because I actually agree with ants straight off the bat.
(38:52):
I felt like Lockie is more of a liability because
in the real world scenario, he's the type that would
get you killed.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Definitely, Definitely, that's what I was thinking. I didn't think
Lockie was the less of the liability. I think it
was more of the liability with Poorly. You could drag
him along, you could help him a group that could
bring him with them, right, But you can't bring Locky
with you. Lockie tries to bring everybody in his wake.
It's a very different mindset. And that's a funny thing.
Like the DS, they know who you are, They figured
(39:20):
you out by this stage, and they absolutely pinned Lockee.
And again, you know we said this from the get go.
They would have a look at his ego and go,
that's where we will get you. We are going to
target you. And I think one of the big ones was,
you know, when he was called a liability, he went
back into the accommodation Sabrina and he just could not
(39:41):
take that. Now, that's what really rattled him, being you know,
trying to justify that his socks were dry, trying to
justify that he's not a liability. He became emotionally distraught
and he lost emotional control, which shows how important his
ego is to him.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I think that for the first time we've seen him,
we've seen a small crack in his armor, and that
I don't think anyone's ever talked to him like that
for ever, you know, emotion like he you know, he
talks about the fact that he doesn't cry, and he
gets really emotional and starts crying. As much as what
has happened already, I genuinely do think that this is
(40:19):
this could be a turning moment, because everyone knows that
when you get broke down on this course, it's an
opportunity to then grow Or does he go no, I
still know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, Because here's the thing, Like if he does, if
he turns it around, and if he takes on board
every ounce of that and turns it into a harnessed weapon.
He will crush this course, it's in his hands. He
can absolutely crush it. I give him a better chance
from here than I did at the start of the
season because he's got so much more motivation if he
(40:52):
chooses to park the ego and to go with that direction.
And Paulie, oh look, I think Paulie is starting to
isolate him, and that's what worries me. I think this
is going to eat him away. So again another turning point.
This could eat him away. It could change his behavior.
Like I said, it's either breakdown or break through from here.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Voodoo magic, this part of it where Ant has come
in and almost shattered the glass. Do you think the
recruits will actually see the scenario for what it is
now or do you think that they'll just carry on?
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
A Middleton has basically said to them, you guys are
under a spell. Yeah, And now they'll start thinking about that.
They'll start thinking about the way they respond to Lockie
and I reckon he's going to lose his power and
he's clout in the accommodation and that may actually affect
him even further. This could compound him. And at Middleton
has done that deliberately.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, one hundred percent. The DS don't do anything unintentional,
and we know that every single part of this is
constructed to break each and every one of you down.
And if you're not broken yet, that coming for you next.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I cannot wait to see what happens next week because
I reckon it's going to kick off in a massive way.
So thanks very much for listening. Sa Brenda, great to
be talking to you about this. As always, episodes drop
every Wednesday, so keep an the ear out for it.
We also have a bonus episode on Friday. It's a
little mini episode where we interrogate one of the recruits
who has left the show. To make sure you don't
(42:22):
miss a thing, watch Essay's Australia on Channel seven and
seven plus and catch the Essays Australia Debrief on the
iHeartRadio app. Thanks for listening, See you for the fireworks
display next week.
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