February 23, 2022 • 36 mins
What better way to welcome the new recruits onto the course than setting them on fire? This season Ant Middleton isn't messing around. Merrick Watts and Sabrina Frederick break down the new recruits' tough first few days on the course. Does Simone Holtznagel realise where she is? Why wasn't Paul Fenech wearing any underwear? And is Locky Gilbert back to his old reality show tricks? Plus the first person to voluntarily withdraw - Melissa Tkautz - drops into the Debrief for a chat. Watch season two of SAS Australia on Channel 7 and 7plus.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, what a first week of SAS Australia Season four.
There was fire, phobias and tempers flared. Plus we've already
had three withdrawals. I'm Merck Watts joined by Sabrina Frederick
for your SAS Australia debrief Sabs, what were your first
impressions of this new season so far.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm actually really impressed and I'm really enjoying it, especially
with all the new tasks. It's very exciting not knowing
what's coming up, and I'm sure the recruits probably felt
the same at the time. But I'm also loving the
diversity in the casting. I think that there's so many
different personalities and I'm actually really intrigued to see how
that pans out, because at the moment they've got me
(00:43):
all guessing, which is quite nice.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, lots of similar backgrounds to people seen in the past,
but the personality traits seem to be different in this
season and we'll get a little bit into that a
bit later on. Lots to dissect and plenty to laugh about.
In the first three episodes. Coming up, we will discuss
the fiery opening to this season. Then Melissa Counts will
be joining us for a chat and later will dissect
(01:05):
that that perssive blow up between Pauly Finnick and Lockie
Gilbert episode one Guts last season Sabrenda, the recruits found
themselves introduced to the course by undergoing a tear gassing,
(01:27):
and I wasn't sure how their top at this time around,
but lighting the recruits on fire is certainly one way
to do it. What were your thoughts on the man
on fire.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I think it looked great.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I think it really looked intense, and to be honest,
if someone said to me that you were going to
be lit on fire, I think that would be enough
to put me under immense pressure, irrespective of how it
actually felt at the time. I think the one thing
that I picked up on it I don't know if
you did, is they made them run to ant at
the start, and I actually think.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
They needed to see how fast these guys could run
before lighting them up, because.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I was thinking with especially with Melissa, she is not
running that fast.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I'm not going to give it that much time round
She's going to be lit up.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I think that at one stage they were thinking about
moving the river close to the earth, just as she
would have burned. Look, she's not exactly fleet footed, but
it wasn't a bad start. That the thing is for
me and not on a bet for you ss. But
the fire thing wouldn't trouble me at all. That wouldn't
have been an issue. But for some people obviously it's terrifying.
But I think what it was was a good first
test to see how people would react to the challenge,
(02:34):
not actually just the challenge about, you know, whether or
not they'd be able to engage with the DS, hold
their focus and then be able to calmly go through
the process.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I think, you know, simple things like keeping eye contact,
you know, and people fretting and not being able to
do that, and then attention to detail under pressure, The
amount of times I saw people dive into the water
that although he said don't do that, people panicking and
just to get in there as quick as possible. I
think those sort of details are the things that the
(03:04):
DS are looking for every single time.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, although the first test looks like a physical test,
often it's a test of character, and they were definitely
looking at people's character there. What about the new location,
To me, it looks a little bit like Shutter Island.
I can't tell what that place is, but it looks terrifying.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Actually, it's a bit of a change up, a bit
of a rainforest vibe. I'm not I honestly don't mind it.
I think that it's different for the recruits because they're
not dealing with extreme cold or extreme heat, so it's
actually probably more so just about the task at hand.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So I'm interested to see how that pans out.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I was expecting to see a lot revealed from a
personal side of the recruits this year, but we've seen
too much. Poly Finic revealed more than just his personality.
Why would you go on that show and not wear underpants?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, I mean, you know, fully full experience when full commando,
just like we expect, he's fully immersing himself into it.
I think we all know that the first thing that's
going to happen is you're going to strip off, So
he definitely knew that he.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Was going to have to get down to that. I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I couldn't believe it. Like, I mean, obviously you do
you just you just nude?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I mean I was filmed full frontal nude in our
season as well. Unfortunately, the lens didn't pick up anything
that was worthy putting on top. Anyway, let's just's move
on from that. Obviously shows a bit of bravery for him,
So going back to the base camp for a second, Sebs,
I think it looks great.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
But the conditions also look pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You know, they've got sealed floors, pretty reasonable conditions, including
a shower. Yet simone hot snagel, I think that's how
he pronounced it is struggling with the.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Course and hasn't even begun. It's just just complaining about toilets.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Couldn't use a twenty four hour clock, brushing her hair
with the forks.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Just lost the mind and it's not even lunchtime.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, I mean the toilets always get me though. I
think that watching that every single time, I'm still sure
by the conditions of the toilets. However, if you're complaining
this early on, you're going to struggle next days.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
It's so funny. Having been through the process, we know
that it's really just go. That is the tip of
the iceberg of your problem.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You might as well just get on with it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, Really, like, honestly, if you're not brushing your hair
with a fog and a toilet from day one. Then
you know you're probably not at the worst of positions,
all right. The next big challenge, which was incredible, the
aeroplane down drill. This is a bit of an upgrade
on the drowned car challenge from last year, but turned
up to eleven, a lot more dangerous, a lot more
(05:33):
going on. I think this is one of the greatest
tests we've seen on any series.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I think this has got to be my favorite. I
actually was sitting there going holding my breath as things
went on, because you want to immerse yourself in that
environment and see if you can do it. The thing
that I love about this is it's not an individual challenge.
You have to lean on your other recruit to make
sure that they give you the queue to go. And
(06:00):
I love that because when you're under pressure, it's so
easy to just deal with your yourself, But when you're
under pressure and you've got to deal with someone else
and work together, that takes it to a whole other level,
and straight off the bat, you're having to think about
someone else.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So I love this challenge for that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Absolutely, two things that get exposed in this is number one,
panic if you're the sort of person prone to panic.
This is going to you're going to pop right away.
The other one is selfishness or selflessness. You know, whether
or not you can think about another person even though
you're under massive duress. So I think it's a huge
character trait. And one person who really impressed me moves
Jeff Hugel. I really liked Jeff anyway, but he worked
(06:38):
with Melissa Counts and he really helped her keep her calm,
showed great leadership and also too, they got through that,
and you know, all credit to her.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
She pushed through what it was possibly the hardest challenge
we've seen.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, I agree, to be honest, I didn't even think
she'd get in it, So props to her for actually
going through it and you know, not jumping out as
soon as it starts. I think that she really held
her own in there, and again with Jeff giving her
that comfort when you're under so much pressure and she
clearly was absolutely terrified, he managed to comfort her as
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best he could.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I think a standout for me.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
In terms of maybe being a bit more selfish would
be Millie. I think the way that she panicked, and
not only panicked, but pretty much took her home. Recruit
beside her out on the way out for me is
a massive red flag.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, that was a real worry.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That was like total selfishness and panic at the same time.
It really shows the character. But you know, that's what
it's about. That's what they're looking for. They're looking for that,
you know, those character traits and what comes through. Let's
jump straight into the second episode, aptly named Panic.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
As we're just talking about.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
The recruits have just woken up from their first night
on the course, and some of them look rattled already.
Except I'm pretty sure I spotted Simone with a cosmetics bag.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Did you clock that?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Did you see that? I did see that. I don't
know how she managed to get that one in. You know,
girl's got her tricks. She was applying.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I'm absolutely just saying, I'm going, what has happened? They've
got now.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I don't know if you remember this, but Badger applied
moisturized and when I say moisturizer, I mean vasolene to
his folks.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's definitely a step up.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And I think that even I keep looking at the
recruits in the accommodation and I can't help but laugh.
Because their conditions obviously change for each season, and the
one thing that I've been seeing that's consistent is the
broken beds. Yeah, it's not being able to hold the
recruits up. I've found that so funny because it's happened
in every season so far.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, they have to work hard to beat Magnuson's score.
I think he took out three beds, so I mean
he had a few going there in a pile of one.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Stage.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Let's get back to someone, because I'm not deliberately targeting her.
I think that it's justified. But she was complaining about
the food and then particularly the porridge. Now, anyone who's
watched any episodes of es so As Australia from any
season will know.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
That it's porridge. It's always going to be porridge every morning.
It's just porridge. What you've got to expect porridge.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
If there's a question and you need an answer, the
answer is porridge.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I think for me, like we obviously joke about it
because it is hilarious, but a massive flag for me,
and we talk about this every single time, is those
small cracks and she's dealing with that in not the
best way and not to mention, you know, almost refusing
to eat the food.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
We know is it's terrible. It's the worst.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Decision you can make because fatigue and extreme hunger. In
this circumstance, you can't you can't take that food back
once you've said you're not having it.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So I feel for us.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
She needs to just just eat the porridge.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
But every single bit of it. What I have noticed
sabs in this the first couple of episodes is they're.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Testing a lot of character stuff as opposed to just
physical endurance. I'm expecting that to come a little bit later,
And the early challenges have been about, you know, these
people using their minds and checking them for things like panic.
The first challenge was Undetected. Now, this is where the
recruits had to infiltrate the enemy territory, retrieve the bag,
and escape the key. Here was silence and speed, But
(10:23):
what was interesting was the number of strong recruits who
absolutely massacred this. Darius Boyd, Paul Fennick, and Wayne Kerry,
all of them messing it up completely from the jump
because they're not listening to the detail.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, I think with something like this, you know you're
dealing with extreme height as well and you know, having
to be very quiet is a massive part of that.
But when you're under this much pressure and you can
clearly see and below you staring at you, watching you
every move, you genuinely just need to take in the
detail and take it step by step and really really
break it down. I think a lot of the recruits
(10:58):
maybe got to ahead themselves. And you know, I think
with a task like this, when you have no idea
what you're up against. You know, going into a massive factory,
you're probably assuming off the last seasons it might be
something to do with hostages or something like that, and
you get there and you're confronted with heights.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
There's a lot to take in.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I feel like with these recruits, what I've seen is
a lot of them just jump at the opportunity to
just think they know everything. And I think sometimes you
just need to slow things down and quite literally take
what they say.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Because they're not saying it for no reason.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Na I mean you and I know that every single
word they say has an importance and a reason. And
when you don't listen to it, this is what happens.
This is Wayne Carey coppying it from Aunt Middleton.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
What's a mission brief.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Go on, tell me why you're hanging Their luck's a
bad prick.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Go On, go up the ladder, have a look around,
and then make your way down.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
That makes your way down. Someone said make you way down, so.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I thought stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I can tell you for a fact a fact, and
no one told you to get on the floor. Are
you gonna go from there?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Roll?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
You're gonna dropusher? You think you can drop from there?
To hear that you're gonna snap your angle?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
No, I didn't look. Didn't look.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Your ed is big enough.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I'm sure there's a brain in there.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Stop.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I don't reckon.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Anyone's ever spoken to wine carry like that before, unless
they were a police officer.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Look, I couldn't help but laugh.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
In this scenario, a Middleton, he's not a big guy, like,
he's quite small, But to be hanging above him while
he's yelling at you, he's such a scene. You can't
go anywhere and he's just yelling at you. I think
for Wayne this would have been a massive shake up, because,
you know, being in his environment, he's been a top
of the game for however long. I think that this
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would be a massive for him to go into this
environment and you know, he thought he had right. He
was pretty much arguing saying that he got told to
do this. He's pretty much not backing down, and he's
just hanging like a right.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It was just like, oh no, Like I could feel
how sick I would feel in the stomach if I
was in his position, just going I've really butchered this.
But the next challenge, this is a really interesting one.
The beehive. It was brutal, for my opinion. Fully clothed,
the recruits have to tread water while swimming on top
of each other, testing the recruits not to panic. Now,
(13:33):
I think we'd probably need to maybe explain SABS why
it's so difficult. Anyone can tread water, not everyone, but
most people can tread water for long periods of time
they are clothed. But it's the proximity to the other
recruits and makes it difficult, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I think that when you're in that environment, you have
nowhere to move your hands freely.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
That part of it.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It just makes it extremely hard not to mention the
fact that it's freezing cold water. I'm only assuming, but
everything that they deal with is freezing cold water plus
throwing in the fact that the ds are right there
splashing ways.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
All it takes is a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Of water to get into your throat before panic sets
in because you can't breathe properly. All of those things combined.
There's got some people that are extremely strong at swimming,
and there's some that you know pretty much almost to
drown right in front of you, and they're probably going
to pull you under. All those things going on at
the same time. It's not comfortable at all.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Nah, that would be very hard. I think it's one
of those things that people might underestimate how difficult that
would be. But I like the fact that when the
ones who quit early got a punishment.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I think that's great.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I think this is what defines sas Australia compared to
other television shows.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
It's real that does happen.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
But what I love most, and this is the thing
that I was looking for from this season, was when
they went for the second exposure. When people think it's over,
it is never over, and they were thrown back in
the tank for another go with an accelerated challenge of
having to put the mask on with water in it.
There's some people there that really struggled and a great
lesson for everyone here. With Elia Green, who was just
(15:07):
told by Auntswer commit and she got back in, I
thought that.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Was very brave.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, and with Elia, it's a known fact that they're
actually not a strong simmer at all. So on those
grounds as well, like putting themselves in that environment for
the second time, knowing what you've just gone through on
the first one, that's a massive notch up in my book.
Just throwing themselves in and committing.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Okay, let's talk about the recruits that we lost in
this first week of sas Australian and they weren't all
regular withdrawals obviously. We had the boxer Michael Safara. He
was injured and medically withdrawn from the course orf his
pledgure bailed really, I think surprisingly once he was kind
of questioned as to his motives for wanting to be there,
(15:49):
Bang he was out and mister Couts she vw on
the first challenge despite her shortstin on the show. I
think she broke down some real barriers there. I was
actually quite impressed with the way she committed to going
on that sinking plane and she went a little bit
further off thought she could have batiled out straight from
the get go. But I actually think she might have
got what she wanted from the course.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, I mean we both we both had a as
pulling out first.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
But I will say this, she surprised me. She did
give a lot a go.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And like I said, with that, you know the plane,
she really got in there and actually gave it a go.
I didn't think she would even get in the plane.
So massive props to her, irrespective of how it ended
in the end. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Look, I get the feeling that she actually probably got
what she wanted from the course. And she joins us
up next to discuss her time on SAS Australia. Well,
from E Street to SAS Australia, Melissa Couts joins us. Now, Melissa,
(16:50):
thank you very much for having your chat to us.
First of all, what was your drive for going on
this show?
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Well, had been in locksdown for some time and I
think I was getting cabin fever. And look, they asked
me to do season two and I said no, And
of course it does play on your mind.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Should I do it?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Nah?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Nah? So I can't do that. That's ridiculous. I can't
be doing that.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
So then when it came around again, I don't know
why I thought I could.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Do it now and that I couldn't do it a
few months before.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
But I think I just needed to get out of
being in lockdown and doing online learning with my son.
I was just like anything to get out, you know.
But I think it's the ultimate challenge. You know, It's
just the whole basis of the show intrigues me, even
though I know it's completely out of my depth.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
I know I've got no business being there.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
I know I've never trained for any kind of sporting event,
not an athlete by.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Any stretch of me.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
But the discipline, the discipline of it is extremely intriguing,
and it's like it's so out of your comfort zone.
I just wanted to know, Okay, push comes to sharp,
what are you going to do? Are you going to
say NAP can't do it, or are you going to
give it a crack?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Look, Melissa, I've got to say, you actually impress me
because I think that some people go on this show
for the wrong reasons and everything you've just said, there
are all the right reasons for going on this show
because it is the ultimate. There is no harder course
than this part of the course is preparing yourself for
what's to come? How do you prepare yourself? How did
(18:35):
you train when going through lockdown?
Speaker 6 (18:37):
I literally, from speaking with the producers, I think I
was given maybe three just about four weeks.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
How do you train for that?
Speaker 6 (18:46):
I've never I walk on my treadmill in the morning,
watching my little shows, like, you know, I'm not an
athlete by any stretch means. But then everyone says, oh,
you know, it's ninety nine scent mental strength.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
That is a crop that isn't Absolutely it is not
just mental strength. I mean the stuff that they had
us do.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
I I was so exhausted that I just cried the
whole time. That was the emotion attached with my exhaustion.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
It was usually that kind of like just fear and
like what the fuck am I doing here?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
You know?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
But something does well with me? For sure.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Something took over with me, and I'm like, no, I'm
not giving up now. I've come all this way. I
Am not just gonna put my hand up and back out.
Even when I did leave, I didn't want to leave.
I wanted to stay there. But unfortunately I'm a scaredy cat.
I'm a complete woof. I'm not athletics trained. I wasn't
fit enough to be there. I was all of those things,
(19:53):
but I wanted that success story. I wanted to be
able to last. You know, I don't know, just even
a week. I wanted to last.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
But I just I just it was too exhausting for me.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I just because my heart wanted to do it, but
the rest of my body just couldn't keep up.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
But you know what, Melissa, like.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Sabrenda and I obviously have got a first hand understanding
of how difficult things can be. And we both agreed
that that plane challenge, tipping up underneath the water is
possibly the most difficult, dangerous and concerning challenge. So to
be frank like, you're getting through that surprise the hell
out of me, and full credit, like if you if
you take away that as like your pinnacle, you've done it,
(20:34):
You've done a great job.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Because that is horrific.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And I think you know, horrific, the fact that you
ponied up and got in the bird and then sunk
underneath what was slimy green water and you got out,
well done, Well done to you.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
The thing is, it was so Funnymeric because I looked
back and I said I was thinking, I said, hold on,
why are they all okay with this? Like meaning that
the other people that were there about to do to
see other celebrities. I'm like, why are they all okay
with this? And I turned around and like, no, they
weren't okay with it. Everyone was shitting themselves where they
were letting it on as much. I was just more
(21:10):
in the zone of actually showing how scared I was,
but the others were just like they were. Everyone was
a bit scared. Everyone was a bit apprehensive, and I thought,
this is.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
This is what they're going to give us.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
This is the main thing first up this And you've
got to remember we had this whole thing on the
beach where we're crawling.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
In our underpants and bra up on rocks. They just
accidentally left that bit out. I was exhausted before I
even looked to the plane.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
I was beside myself, but I was like, I made
it through that.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I was like, nah, that was nothing, this is.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
It, and I forgeting, Like I was just like what
am I doing. It's so funny because it was the
ultimate challenge. It is exciting being there. It is like
the whole setup and everything just to have the opportunity.
People can only dream of having this kind of opportunity
to do this, whether you fail or not, it's surreal
and it's what an experience. You know, I wish I
(22:06):
was ballsy, and I wish I was fitter, and I
wish I wish, I wish, I wish, I wish I
could have, you know, done all of these things to
stay there, because I was actually loving the journey and
the experience.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You're saying that you know, you wish and you wish
and all this stuff, And in my eyes, you've gained
my respect for doing what you've done, and like you,
like you mentioned a lot of people and the viewers
will not see half of the stuff that goes on
because the amount of times you have to run six
kilometers before getting to a task, it all plays into it,
you know, hunger, you know, being tied all those things.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
But you said you wish. Do you have any regrets
about it?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Do you feel like you've actually taken something away from it?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yes? My regret was not reaching for that bloody ladder.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
My regret.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
People don't realize we're in this massive warehouse I had.
No they don't tell you what to do. They just say,
climb the ladder and then go for it. And I
didn't know where they want me scaling from the pole.
I thought, once I jump over there and may fall.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Down and break my neck, what do I do?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Then?
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Like, what's next? What do they want me to get?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
And then everyone was saying afterwards at the reunion they said,
I don't have a lot of physical strength on top
and I just they said, you know, you have to
reach for this bag once you jumped over there. If
you made that, then you have to reach for some
other bag or something. It's like you need a lot
of upper strength. There's no way I would have been
able to.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Do it, you know, hang on Melissa watching it, I reckon, No,
I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
There's no chance.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Thanks man. You know, it was a shame.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
I really wanted to see the day out and I
felt like I was letting the DSA.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I really did.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
But that's just because I just I'm a big feeler
and I just I'm like, oh my god, everyone's rooting
for me, everyone's got my back, and I'm.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Going to let them down now. That was the thought.
Like I really didn't want to come out. I really
didn't want to come out.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, Lisa, don't underestimate the fact that you have already
by doing that. You see it as a minor achievement,
but you've already gone farther than some other people who
have been on subsequent season, so you know, well done
to you. Thank you very much for joining us on
the debrief. You showed carriage, you showed a bit of heart,
you had a real crack at.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
It, and you push yourself out of your comfort zone.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So now you can go right back into your comfort zone,
which I presume is probably six or seven Maltese terriers
and a glass of champagne.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Good on it, French bulldogs, they'll come and get you.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Well done. Congratulations, thanks for speaking to us.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
All right, so we've reached the end of the first
week seventeen recruits are now down to just fourteen and
it's only beginning to heat up.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
This episode was all about adaptability.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
A critical element for anybody who wants to get through
SAS Australia is the ability to adapt to changing circumstances. Now,
the first challenge of the day was the tunnel, whether
recruits had to crawl through and report back obstacles found
within it to the das a straightforward challenge, but Ebone
failed to communicate even a single obstacle, failing really badly.
(25:23):
She's yet to complete a challenge correctly, Sabrina, where is
she going wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I feel like this is what I feared with her.
Being an individual sports person, it can go the opposite
way because you're so used to just focusing on you.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I couldn't understand.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I didn't know if she was actively ignoring him or
she was just so focused on what she was doing
she almost couldn't hear him.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I don't know which way it was going, but it
was terrible.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I've felt like she had a moment to prove and
she just completely it up.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Oh look, I can't help.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But like Ebane, I think she's really great and I
think she has got so much potential, but there's just
too much noise going on in her head. She can't
calm her mind enough to be present in the moment.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
And I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And I relate to that because you know, on the
course myself, I reckon sometimes when I let myself down
was when I was overthinking things. And particularly if you're
overthinking the next challenge, or if you're even worse overthinking
the last challenge, and I reckon that's what she might
be doing. Too much head noise going on. But she's
certainly otherwise very physically capable. She seems like she's really keen.
(26:30):
I really want to see, you know, shake that funk
and get back into where I think she should be,
which is closer to the top of the pack.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
So, you know, what.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
About the Big Man Lucky, What did you think about
him going down the tunnel?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
God, it was like he was It felt like he
was doing pretty well and pretty smart through the tunnel,
you know, describing the obstacles.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
He was good at that.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
But when he just slid down the bottom without communicating,
it was like he was looking for a hero shot,
and unfortunately it just he didn't think that one through
and it was mistaken. It was a failure. But I
think his ego is strong enough that he could bounce
back from it.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, I agree, I think that something like this it
is a small blip. I think he did communicate for
most of the way. I'll give him that. It's almost
like he saw the water and when that's not an obscacle,
I can make that.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
First.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But yeah, I think I honestly don't think this is
going to stop him. I don't think he's the type
of person that will hold on to it. I think
he will just keep pushing forward.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
But the telling point of that is that he exactly
what you just pointed out, right, He doesn't see the
water as an obstacle for him because he's only thinking
about himself, right, And that's that ego and that's that
self love that he's got, Whereas what he should be
thinking about is this an obstacle for the next person.
And that's where it was a fail.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, I think when you're thinking about these tasks a lot,
a lot of the time, where you get tripped up
is the fact that this course is emulating what it
would be like to be out there in the real
world in combat. You're constantly putting yourself in that environment
of you know, there's a team behind me, or I'm
in a fight, you know, a fiery situation. How can
I relate that to how it's going to be out there?
(28:12):
And I know it's hard because it is a show,
But in the end of the day, it is an
authentic course that they're trying to provide for these recruits,
and that's exactly how it would be on the outside world.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
The next task was a very, very physical one, definitely
the most physical one we've seen so far, the vehicle extraction.
The recruits are split into two teams. Each is led
by a recruit who has been lacking and needs to
prove themselves to the DS.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
They do this deliberately.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
In this case it was boxer Ebonie and model Simone.
Ebonie had a lot of trouble giving clear instructions and
struggle to lead her team. Is this go back to
being an individual sports person, you think, and not maybe
being in a position in the past where she has
had to be communicative.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, I do. I do think it is part of it.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I mean, as a boxer, you're normally, you know, heavily
reliant on your coach giving you instruction and you allow
it to a tea and I think that even though
I think her intent was really pure, I think her
intent was to really help her team, and she's probably
more of that leader that's more of a Barrica like
shout stuff to motivate, and I think that's more of
her leadership style as opposed to being very clear and
(29:16):
concise and actually being able to direct a team. And
I think that it maybe let her down just a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, I felt really painful because it was I could
watch and I was thinking, she's worrying about what she's
doing wrong, not worrying about what she's doing right, you
know what I mean. She was getting too concerned about
what could go wrong, and it was a bit of
a shit show unfortunately. Keeping up with the theme of adaptability,
where were the moments that the teams could have adapted better,
(29:44):
do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I think putting ourselves back in that environment of what
it's like to do the first team task. I think
as soon as Ael go you sort of panic. You
panic a lot. And I think that something that they
could have done better was maybe just taking in the information,
taking a second, coming up with a plan together ye
and executing the plan. I think learning from past tasks
(30:09):
that we have done. When you jump in straight away,
it's just it's all confusing and it's hard for an individual,
let alone for a whole team and direct a whole team.
So I think that they probably could have taken a
bit of time.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, that's a great point. That's literally the difference I
reckon there is just taking the time to be calm
enough and president enough to say, okay, how about we
do it this way, you know, and delegating and getting
the job right open spot on. As Simone's team won
this challenge very easily, temps flared for the other lockey's
true character really showed here. Quick to blame other recruits.
(30:41):
Let's have a listen.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Say that girl.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
This is nothing gear. I've touched it. Oh oh my god,
ye're glad. What isn't that girl? With the vehicle's movement
over the first obstacle, jolting it back into gear, Tempers
start to pray between Luckie and Poorly? You put it
(31:11):
in gear? Us put that on me. Hey, you came
in and changed these broke. You're the one that was
sitting in there. You gotta move out.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Play brush that was in gear?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Wasn't it, Poorly man?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Not good? Not goodbrain?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
To be honest, I feel like this out of everything
has revealed a lot, because when you're under that much pressure,
you cannot blame other people. You just need to get
the job done. You can talk about it afterwards, but
in a real life scenario, if you're getting shot at
the last thing you're gonna do is turn to your
recruit and put all the blame on them. Plus those
(31:55):
troop carriers, they're old and they're finicky, and to be
as it put it, probably put itself back and correct.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Absolutely, that's what I assume.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I thought.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Rather than blame, you give everybody the benefit of doubt,
and you know, you do an appraisal at the end
of it, not during it. Don't start laying blame. But
what's really interesting here is how quickly there's been a
fraying and personality clash given that they're not far enough
into the course to be tired and fatigued and washed
out and you underfed.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
It's too early to.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Be carrying on like that, and a really poor indicator
for some people. I think that you know, emotionally got
a little bit wild a little bit early, and I
would love to have seen somebody standing, either you know
there or later somebody from the group and say, okay,
let's have a look at this and talk it through
because we can't have this this affecting tie group.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, that's a good point that this is early days
and this is happening, because you know, maybe if this
is a mid through the course, you know, I would
understand why getting a bit fiery. But I think it's
a reflection not only of those two, but, like you said,
a reflection of the rest of the recruits, because at
the end of the day, the team's got to work
together to get the job done, and if two of
my recruits are arguing whilst we're out there doing something,
(33:10):
you've got to step in and just get the job
done and call them out on it and almost move forward.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
So I think that it was.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Disappointing that no one stepped in to just silence them
and move on. But it was also disappointing that they
were going at each other.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, because for me, it almost says as much about
the entire group in some ways as it does about
the two individuals. The fact that nobody tried to make
peace and move on and get them back on target,
back on mission, and back to doing what they needed
to get done. Later on poorly went and made peace
or try to make peace with Locke, which I thought
was very mature. I think he handled it really, really
(33:44):
well and he had his emotional balance in check.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, I agree, there's not many people that probably, especially
when he's half the size of Lockie. There's not many
people that would go and you know, afterwards and confront
him and put everything aside and say, look, you know,
I'm sorry. To be honest, like, I think that he
probably said sorry for more than he needed to, and
that's a great sign of someone who's secure and understands
(34:09):
where they are, understands what they need to do to
get the team over the line. In the end, I
feel like Lockie maybe didn't take it the way I
wanted him to. I feel like this is where we
keep picking up on the ego thing. He thinks he's
above everyone else, he thinks he's he's going to pass
with flying colors. The way that he went about it
and almost spread the gossip, I felt, bloody hell, this
(34:32):
is deja vous.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I've seen this before.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
This is exactly how he was on Survivor, and unfortunately
this isn't Survivor.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
This is the real deal now.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It's totally the opposite. When people talk about Survivor versus
as Australia, I think for me, one of the big
things is in Survivor you try to work against other
people on the show. With this as Australia, you've got
to work with him. It's got to be every person
helping every person. Otherwise you know you're just not going
to get through. You can't go through that on your own.
Really very telling. Well, a huge first few days on
(35:06):
the course, and it's only going to get tougher from
here as it does.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Sabrina, who do you have leaving next week?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Look, we talk about it a lot about seeing signs
pretty early, and I think right now Simone's top of
the list. She's complaining, getting upset about things, and you
know it's early on, So for me, I think she's
going next.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah. I look for emotional states as well, like you know,
how do people respond, you know, are they already in
early days? Are they looking rattled? Are they easy or
prone to getting tearful? So for me, I reckon. I
hate to say this, but I reckon. Melissa Woo to
me looks a little bit timid for this. So depending
on how grueling next week is, she could be.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
The next one to go.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
But there's always surprised us, as we've seen in this
week's episodes.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
A new episode of The Debrief drops every Wednesday, and
keep your eyes on open on Friday for a bonus
mini episode where Sabrenda and I interrogate one of the recruits.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Make sure you don't miss a thing.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Watch Says Australia on Channel seven and seven plus and
catch the SSAS Australia debrief on the iHeartRadio app. See
you next time.
Well, what a first week of SAS Australia Season four.
There was fire, phobias and tempers flared. Plus we've already
had three withdrawals. I'm Merck Watts joined by Sabrina Frederick
for your SAS Australia debrief Sabs, what were your first
impressions of this new season so far.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm actually really impressed and I'm really enjoying it, especially
with all the new tasks. It's very exciting not knowing
what's coming up, and I'm sure the recruits probably felt
the same at the time. But I'm also loving the
diversity in the casting. I think that there's so many
different personalities and I'm actually really intrigued to see how
that pans out, because at the moment they've got me
(00:43):
all guessing, which is quite nice.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, lots of similar backgrounds to people seen in the past,
but the personality traits seem to be different in this
season and we'll get a little bit into that a
bit later on. Lots to dissect and plenty to laugh about.
In the first three episodes. Coming up, we will discuss
the fiery opening to this season. Then Melissa Counts will
be joining us for a chat and later will dissect
(01:05):
that that perssive blow up between Pauly Finnick and Lockie
Gilbert episode one Guts last season Sabrenda, the recruits found
themselves introduced to the course by undergoing a tear gassing,
(01:27):
and I wasn't sure how their top at this time around,
but lighting the recruits on fire is certainly one way
to do it. What were your thoughts on the man
on fire.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I think it looked great.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I think it really looked intense, and to be honest,
if someone said to me that you were going to
be lit on fire, I think that would be enough
to put me under immense pressure, irrespective of how it
actually felt at the time. I think the one thing
that I picked up on it I don't know if
you did, is they made them run to ant at
the start, and I actually think.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
They needed to see how fast these guys could run
before lighting them up, because.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I was thinking with especially with Melissa, she is not
running that fast.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I'm not going to give it that much time round
She's going to be lit up.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I think that at one stage they were thinking about
moving the river close to the earth, just as she
would have burned. Look, she's not exactly fleet footed, but
it wasn't a bad start. That the thing is for
me and not on a bet for you ss. But
the fire thing wouldn't trouble me at all. That wouldn't
have been an issue. But for some people obviously it's terrifying.
But I think what it was was a good first
test to see how people would react to the challenge,
(02:34):
not actually just the challenge about, you know, whether or
not they'd be able to engage with the DS, hold
their focus and then be able to calmly go through
the process.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I think, you know, simple things like keeping eye contact,
you know, and people fretting and not being able to
do that, and then attention to detail under pressure, The
amount of times I saw people dive into the water
that although he said don't do that, people panicking and
just to get in there as quick as possible. I
think those sort of details are the things that the
(03:04):
DS are looking for every single time.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, although the first test looks like a physical test,
often it's a test of character, and they were definitely
looking at people's character there. What about the new location,
To me, it looks a little bit like Shutter Island.
I can't tell what that place is, but it looks terrifying.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Actually, it's a bit of a change up, a bit
of a rainforest vibe. I'm not I honestly don't mind it.
I think that it's different for the recruits because they're
not dealing with extreme cold or extreme heat, so it's
actually probably more so just about the task at hand.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So I'm interested to see how that pans out.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I was expecting to see a lot revealed from a
personal side of the recruits this year, but we've seen
too much. Poly Finic revealed more than just his personality.
Why would you go on that show and not wear underpants?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, I mean, you know, fully full experience when full commando,
just like we expect, he's fully immersing himself into it.
I think we all know that the first thing that's
going to happen is you're going to strip off, So
he definitely knew that he.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Was going to have to get down to that. I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I couldn't believe it. Like, I mean, obviously you do
you just you just nude?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I mean I was filmed full frontal nude in our
season as well. Unfortunately, the lens didn't pick up anything
that was worthy putting on top. Anyway, let's just's move
on from that. Obviously shows a bit of bravery for him,
So going back to the base camp for a second, Sebs,
I think it looks great.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
But the conditions also look pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You know, they've got sealed floors, pretty reasonable conditions, including
a shower. Yet simone hot snagel, I think that's how
he pronounced it is struggling with the.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Course and hasn't even begun. It's just just complaining about toilets.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Couldn't use a twenty four hour clock, brushing her hair
with the forks.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Just lost the mind and it's not even lunchtime.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, I mean the toilets always get me though. I
think that watching that every single time, I'm still sure
by the conditions of the toilets. However, if you're complaining
this early on, you're going to struggle next days.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
It's so funny. Having been through the process, we know
that it's really just go. That is the tip of
the iceberg of your problem.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You might as well just get on with it.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, Really, like, honestly, if you're not brushing your hair
with a fog and a toilet from day one. Then
you know you're probably not at the worst of positions,
all right. The next big challenge, which was incredible, the
aeroplane down drill. This is a bit of an upgrade
on the drowned car challenge from last year, but turned
up to eleven, a lot more dangerous, a lot more
(05:33):
going on. I think this is one of the greatest
tests we've seen on any series.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I think this has got to be my favorite. I
actually was sitting there going holding my breath as things
went on, because you want to immerse yourself in that
environment and see if you can do it. The thing
that I love about this is it's not an individual challenge.
You have to lean on your other recruit to make
sure that they give you the queue to go. And
(06:00):
I love that because when you're under pressure, it's so
easy to just deal with your yourself, But when you're
under pressure and you've got to deal with someone else
and work together, that takes it to a whole other level,
and straight off the bat, you're having to think about
someone else.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So I love this challenge for that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Absolutely, two things that get exposed in this is number one,
panic if you're the sort of person prone to panic.
This is going to you're going to pop right away.
The other one is selfishness or selflessness. You know, whether
or not you can think about another person even though
you're under massive duress. So I think it's a huge
character trait. And one person who really impressed me moves
Jeff Hugel. I really liked Jeff anyway, but he worked
(06:38):
with Melissa Counts and he really helped her keep her calm,
showed great leadership and also too, they got through that,
and you know, all credit to her.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
She pushed through what it was possibly the hardest challenge
we've seen.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, I agree, to be honest, I didn't even think
she'd get in it, So props to her for actually
going through it and you know, not jumping out as
soon as it starts. I think that she really held
her own in there, and again with Jeff giving her
that comfort when you're under so much pressure and she
clearly was absolutely terrified, he managed to comfort her as
(07:11):
best he could.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I think a standout for me.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
In terms of maybe being a bit more selfish would
be Millie. I think the way that she panicked, and
not only panicked, but pretty much took her home. Recruit
beside her out on the way out for me is
a massive red flag.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, that was a real worry.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That was like total selfishness and panic at the same time.
It really shows the character. But you know, that's what
it's about. That's what they're looking for. They're looking for that,
you know, those character traits and what comes through. Let's
jump straight into the second episode, aptly named Panic.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
As we're just talking about.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
The recruits have just woken up from their first night
on the course, and some of them look rattled already.
Except I'm pretty sure I spotted Simone with a cosmetics bag.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Did you clock that?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Did you see that? I did see that. I don't
know how she managed to get that one in. You know,
girl's got her tricks. She was applying.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I'm absolutely just saying, I'm going, what has happened? They've
got now.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I don't know if you remember this, but Badger applied
moisturized and when I say moisturizer, I mean vasolene to
his folks.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's definitely a step up.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And I think that even I keep looking at the
recruits in the accommodation and I can't help but laugh.
Because their conditions obviously change for each season, and the
one thing that I've been seeing that's consistent is the
broken beds. Yeah, it's not being able to hold the
recruits up. I've found that so funny because it's happened
in every season so far.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, they have to work hard to beat Magnuson's score.
I think he took out three beds, so I mean
he had a few going there in a pile of one.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Stage.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Let's get back to someone, because I'm not deliberately targeting her.
I think that it's justified. But she was complaining about
the food and then particularly the porridge. Now, anyone who's
watched any episodes of es so As Australia from any
season will know.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
That it's porridge. It's always going to be porridge every morning.
It's just porridge. What you've got to expect porridge.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
If there's a question and you need an answer, the
answer is porridge.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I think for me, like we obviously joke about it
because it is hilarious, but a massive flag for me,
and we talk about this every single time, is those
small cracks and she's dealing with that in not the
best way and not to mention, you know, almost refusing
to eat the food.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
We know is it's terrible. It's the worst.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Decision you can make because fatigue and extreme hunger. In
this circumstance, you can't you can't take that food back
once you've said you're not having it.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So I feel for us.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
She needs to just just eat the porridge.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
But every single bit of it. What I have noticed
sabs in this the first couple of episodes is they're.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Testing a lot of character stuff as opposed to just
physical endurance. I'm expecting that to come a little bit later,
And the early challenges have been about, you know, these
people using their minds and checking them for things like panic.
The first challenge was Undetected. Now, this is where the
recruits had to infiltrate the enemy territory, retrieve the bag,
and escape the key. Here was silence and speed, But
(10:23):
what was interesting was the number of strong recruits who
absolutely massacred this. Darius Boyd, Paul Fennick, and Wayne Kerry,
all of them messing it up completely from the jump
because they're not listening to the detail.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, I think with something like this, you know you're
dealing with extreme height as well and you know, having
to be very quiet is a massive part of that.
But when you're under this much pressure and you can
clearly see and below you staring at you, watching you
every move, you genuinely just need to take in the
detail and take it step by step and really really
break it down. I think a lot of the recruits
(10:58):
maybe got to ahead themselves. And you know, I think
with a task like this, when you have no idea
what you're up against. You know, going into a massive factory,
you're probably assuming off the last seasons it might be
something to do with hostages or something like that, and
you get there and you're confronted with heights.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
There's a lot to take in.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I feel like with these recruits, what I've seen is
a lot of them just jump at the opportunity to
just think they know everything. And I think sometimes you
just need to slow things down and quite literally take
what they say.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Because they're not saying it for no reason.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Na I mean you and I know that every single
word they say has an importance and a reason. And
when you don't listen to it, this is what happens.
This is Wayne Carey coppying it from Aunt Middleton.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
What's a mission brief.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Go on, tell me why you're hanging Their luck's a
bad prick.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Go On, go up the ladder, have a look around,
and then make your way down.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
That makes your way down. Someone said make you way down, so.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I thought stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I can tell you for a fact a fact, and
no one told you to get on the floor. Are
you gonna go from there?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Roll?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
You're gonna dropusher? You think you can drop from there?
To hear that you're gonna snap your angle?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
No, I didn't look. Didn't look.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Your ed is big enough.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I'm sure there's a brain in there.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Stop.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I don't reckon.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Anyone's ever spoken to wine carry like that before, unless
they were a police officer.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Look, I couldn't help but laugh.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
In this scenario, a Middleton, he's not a big guy, like,
he's quite small, But to be hanging above him while
he's yelling at you, he's such a scene. You can't
go anywhere and he's just yelling at you. I think
for Wayne this would have been a massive shake up, because,
you know, being in his environment, he's been a top
of the game for however long. I think that this
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would be a massive for him to go into this
environment and you know, he thought he had right. He
was pretty much arguing saying that he got told to
do this. He's pretty much not backing down, and he's
just hanging like a right.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It was just like, oh no, Like I could feel
how sick I would feel in the stomach if I
was in his position, just going I've really butchered this.
But the next challenge, this is a really interesting one.
The beehive. It was brutal, for my opinion. Fully clothed,
the recruits have to tread water while swimming on top
of each other, testing the recruits not to panic. Now,
(13:33):
I think we'd probably need to maybe explain SABS why
it's so difficult. Anyone can tread water, not everyone, but
most people can tread water for long periods of time
they are clothed. But it's the proximity to the other
recruits and makes it difficult, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I think that when you're in that environment, you have
nowhere to move your hands freely.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
That part of it.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It just makes it extremely hard not to mention the
fact that it's freezing cold water. I'm only assuming, but
everything that they deal with is freezing cold water plus
throwing in the fact that the ds are right there
splashing ways.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
All it takes is a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Of water to get into your throat before panic sets
in because you can't breathe properly. All of those things combined.
There's got some people that are extremely strong at swimming,
and there's some that you know pretty much almost to
drown right in front of you, and they're probably going
to pull you under. All those things going on at
the same time. It's not comfortable at all.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Nah, that would be very hard. I think it's one
of those things that people might underestimate how difficult that
would be. But I like the fact that when the
ones who quit early got a punishment.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I think that's great.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I think this is what defines sas Australia compared to
other television shows.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
It's real that does happen.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
But what I love most, and this is the thing
that I was looking for from this season, was when
they went for the second exposure. When people think it's over,
it is never over, and they were thrown back in
the tank for another go with an accelerated challenge of
having to put the mask on with water in it.
There's some people there that really struggled and a great
lesson for everyone here. With Elia Green, who was just
(15:07):
told by Auntswer commit and she got back in, I
thought that.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Was very brave.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, and with Elia, it's a known fact that they're
actually not a strong simmer at all. So on those
grounds as well, like putting themselves in that environment for
the second time, knowing what you've just gone through on
the first one, that's a massive notch up in my book.
Just throwing themselves in and committing.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Okay, let's talk about the recruits that we lost in
this first week of sas Australian and they weren't all
regular withdrawals obviously. We had the boxer Michael Safara. He
was injured and medically withdrawn from the course orf his
pledgure bailed really, I think surprisingly once he was kind
of questioned as to his motives for wanting to be there,
(15:49):
Bang he was out and mister Couts she vw on
the first challenge despite her shortstin on the show. I
think she broke down some real barriers there. I was
actually quite impressed with the way she committed to going
on that sinking plane and she went a little bit
further off thought she could have batiled out straight from
the get go. But I actually think she might have
got what she wanted from the course.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, I mean we both we both had a as
pulling out first.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
But I will say this, she surprised me. She did
give a lot a go.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And like I said, with that, you know the plane,
she really got in there and actually gave it a go.
I didn't think she would even get in the plane.
So massive props to her, irrespective of how it ended
in the end. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Look, I get the feeling that she actually probably got
what she wanted from the course. And she joins us
up next to discuss her time on SAS Australia. Well,
from E Street to SAS Australia, Melissa Couts joins us. Now, Melissa,
(16:50):
thank you very much for having your chat to us.
First of all, what was your drive for going on
this show?
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Well, had been in locksdown for some time and I
think I was getting cabin fever. And look, they asked
me to do season two and I said no, And
of course it does play on your mind.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Should I do it?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Nah?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Nah? So I can't do that. That's ridiculous. I can't
be doing that.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
So then when it came around again, I don't know
why I thought I could.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Do it now and that I couldn't do it a
few months before.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
But I think I just needed to get out of
being in lockdown and doing online learning with my son.
I was just like anything to get out, you know.
But I think it's the ultimate challenge. You know, It's
just the whole basis of the show intrigues me, even
though I know it's completely out of my depth.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
I know I've got no business being there.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
I know I've never trained for any kind of sporting event,
not an athlete by.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Any stretch of me.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
But the discipline, the discipline of it is extremely intriguing,
and it's like it's so out of your comfort zone.
I just wanted to know, Okay, push comes to sharp,
what are you going to do? Are you going to
say NAP can't do it, or are you going to
give it a crack?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Look, Melissa, I've got to say, you actually impress me
because I think that some people go on this show
for the wrong reasons and everything you've just said, there
are all the right reasons for going on this show
because it is the ultimate. There is no harder course
than this part of the course is preparing yourself for
what's to come? How do you prepare yourself? How did
(18:35):
you train when going through lockdown?
Speaker 6 (18:37):
I literally, from speaking with the producers, I think I
was given maybe three just about four weeks.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
How do you train for that?
Speaker 6 (18:46):
I've never I walk on my treadmill in the morning,
watching my little shows, like, you know, I'm not an
athlete by any stretch means. But then everyone says, oh,
you know, it's ninety nine scent mental strength.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
That is a crop that isn't Absolutely it is not
just mental strength. I mean the stuff that they had
us do.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
I I was so exhausted that I just cried the
whole time. That was the emotion attached with my exhaustion.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
It was usually that kind of like just fear and
like what the fuck am I doing here?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
You know?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
But something does well with me? For sure.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Something took over with me, and I'm like, no, I'm
not giving up now. I've come all this way. I
Am not just gonna put my hand up and back out.
Even when I did leave, I didn't want to leave.
I wanted to stay there. But unfortunately I'm a scaredy cat.
I'm a complete woof. I'm not athletics trained. I wasn't
fit enough to be there. I was all of those things,
(19:53):
but I wanted that success story. I wanted to be
able to last. You know, I don't know, just even
a week. I wanted to last.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
But I just I just it was too exhausting for me.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I just because my heart wanted to do it, but
the rest of my body just couldn't keep up.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
But you know what, Melissa, like.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Sabrenda and I obviously have got a first hand understanding
of how difficult things can be. And we both agreed
that that plane challenge, tipping up underneath the water is
possibly the most difficult, dangerous and concerning challenge. So to
be frank like, you're getting through that surprise the hell
out of me, and full credit, like if you if
you take away that as like your pinnacle, you've done it,
(20:34):
You've done a great job.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Because that is horrific.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And I think you know, horrific, the fact that you
ponied up and got in the bird and then sunk
underneath what was slimy green water and you got out,
well done, Well done to you.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
The thing is, it was so Funnymeric because I looked
back and I said I was thinking, I said, hold on,
why are they all okay with this? Like meaning that
the other people that were there about to do to
see other celebrities. I'm like, why are they all okay
with this? And I turned around and like, no, they
weren't okay with it. Everyone was shitting themselves where they
were letting it on as much. I was just more
(21:10):
in the zone of actually showing how scared I was,
but the others were just like they were. Everyone was
a bit scared. Everyone was a bit apprehensive, and I thought,
this is.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
This is what they're going to give us.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
This is the main thing first up this And you've
got to remember we had this whole thing on the
beach where we're crawling.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
In our underpants and bra up on rocks. They just
accidentally left that bit out. I was exhausted before I
even looked to the plane.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
I was beside myself, but I was like, I made
it through that.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I was like, nah, that was nothing, this is.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
It, and I forgeting, Like I was just like what
am I doing. It's so funny because it was the
ultimate challenge. It is exciting being there. It is like
the whole setup and everything just to have the opportunity.
People can only dream of having this kind of opportunity
to do this, whether you fail or not, it's surreal
and it's what an experience. You know, I wish I
(22:06):
was ballsy, and I wish I was fitter, and I
wish I wish, I wish, I wish, I wish I
could have, you know, done all of these things to
stay there, because I was actually loving the journey and
the experience.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You're saying that you know, you wish and you wish
and all this stuff, And in my eyes, you've gained
my respect for doing what you've done, and like you,
like you mentioned a lot of people and the viewers
will not see half of the stuff that goes on
because the amount of times you have to run six
kilometers before getting to a task, it all plays into it,
you know, hunger, you know, being tied all those things.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
But you said you wish. Do you have any regrets
about it?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Do you feel like you've actually taken something away from it?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yes? My regret was not reaching for that bloody ladder.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
My regret.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
People don't realize we're in this massive warehouse I had.
No they don't tell you what to do. They just say,
climb the ladder and then go for it. And I
didn't know where they want me scaling from the pole.
I thought, once I jump over there and may fall.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Down and break my neck, what do I do?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Then?
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Like, what's next? What do they want me to get?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
And then everyone was saying afterwards at the reunion they said,
I don't have a lot of physical strength on top
and I just they said, you know, you have to
reach for this bag once you jumped over there. If
you made that, then you have to reach for some
other bag or something. It's like you need a lot
of upper strength. There's no way I would have been
able to.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Do it, you know, hang on Melissa watching it, I reckon, No,
I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
There's no chance.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Thanks man. You know, it was a shame.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
I really wanted to see the day out and I
felt like I was letting the DSA.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I really did.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
But that's just because I just I'm a big feeler
and I just I'm like, oh my god, everyone's rooting
for me, everyone's got my back, and I'm.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Going to let them down now. That was the thought.
Like I really didn't want to come out. I really
didn't want to come out.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, Lisa, don't underestimate the fact that you have already
by doing that. You see it as a minor achievement,
but you've already gone farther than some other people who
have been on subsequent season, so you know, well done
to you. Thank you very much for joining us on
the debrief. You showed carriage, you showed a bit of heart,
you had a real crack at.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
It, and you push yourself out of your comfort zone.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
So now you can go right back into your comfort zone,
which I presume is probably six or seven Maltese terriers
and a glass of champagne.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Good on it, French bulldogs, they'll come and get you.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Well done. Congratulations, thanks for speaking to us.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
All right, so we've reached the end of the first
week seventeen recruits are now down to just fourteen and
it's only beginning to heat up.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
This episode was all about adaptability.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
A critical element for anybody who wants to get through
SAS Australia is the ability to adapt to changing circumstances. Now,
the first challenge of the day was the tunnel, whether
recruits had to crawl through and report back obstacles found
within it to the das a straightforward challenge, but Ebone
failed to communicate even a single obstacle, failing really badly.
(25:23):
She's yet to complete a challenge correctly, Sabrina, where is
she going wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I feel like this is what I feared with her.
Being an individual sports person, it can go the opposite
way because you're so used to just focusing on you.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I couldn't understand.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I didn't know if she was actively ignoring him or
she was just so focused on what she was doing
she almost couldn't hear him.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I don't know which way it was going, but it
was terrible.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I've felt like she had a moment to prove and
she just completely it up.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Oh look, I can't help.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But like Ebane, I think she's really great and I
think she has got so much potential, but there's just
too much noise going on in her head. She can't
calm her mind enough to be present in the moment.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
And I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And I relate to that because you know, on the
course myself, I reckon sometimes when I let myself down
was when I was overthinking things. And particularly if you're
overthinking the next challenge, or if you're even worse overthinking
the last challenge, and I reckon that's what she might
be doing. Too much head noise going on. But she's
certainly otherwise very physically capable. She seems like she's really keen.
(26:30):
I really want to see, you know, shake that funk
and get back into where I think she should be,
which is closer to the top of the pack.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
So, you know, what.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
About the Big Man Lucky, What did you think about
him going down the tunnel?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
God, it was like he was It felt like he
was doing pretty well and pretty smart through the tunnel,
you know, describing the obstacles.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
He was good at that.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
But when he just slid down the bottom without communicating,
it was like he was looking for a hero shot,
and unfortunately it just he didn't think that one through
and it was mistaken. It was a failure. But I
think his ego is strong enough that he could bounce
back from it.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, I agree, I think that something like this it
is a small blip. I think he did communicate for
most of the way. I'll give him that. It's almost
like he saw the water and when that's not an obscacle,
I can make that.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
First.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But yeah, I think I honestly don't think this is
going to stop him. I don't think he's the type
of person that will hold on to it. I think
he will just keep pushing forward.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
But the telling point of that is that he exactly
what you just pointed out, right, He doesn't see the
water as an obstacle for him because he's only thinking
about himself, right, And that's that ego and that's that
self love that he's got, Whereas what he should be
thinking about is this an obstacle for the next person.
And that's where it was a fail.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, I think when you're thinking about these tasks a lot,
a lot of the time, where you get tripped up
is the fact that this course is emulating what it
would be like to be out there in the real
world in combat. You're constantly putting yourself in that environment
of you know, there's a team behind me, or I'm
in a fight, you know, a fiery situation. How can
I relate that to how it's going to be out there?
(28:12):
And I know it's hard because it is a show,
But in the end of the day, it is an
authentic course that they're trying to provide for these recruits,
and that's exactly how it would be on the outside world.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
The next task was a very, very physical one, definitely
the most physical one we've seen so far, the vehicle extraction.
The recruits are split into two teams. Each is led
by a recruit who has been lacking and needs to
prove themselves to the DS.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
They do this deliberately.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
In this case it was boxer Ebonie and model Simone.
Ebonie had a lot of trouble giving clear instructions and
struggle to lead her team. Is this go back to
being an individual sports person, you think, and not maybe
being in a position in the past where she has
had to be communicative.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, I do. I do think it is part of it.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I mean, as a boxer, you're normally, you know, heavily
reliant on your coach giving you instruction and you allow
it to a tea and I think that even though
I think her intent was really pure, I think her
intent was to really help her team, and she's probably
more of that leader that's more of a Barrica like
shout stuff to motivate, and I think that's more of
her leadership style as opposed to being very clear and
(29:16):
concise and actually being able to direct a team. And
I think that it maybe let her down just a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, I felt really painful because it was I could
watch and I was thinking, she's worrying about what she's
doing wrong, not worrying about what she's doing right, you
know what I mean. She was getting too concerned about
what could go wrong, and it was a bit of
a shit show unfortunately. Keeping up with the theme of adaptability,
where were the moments that the teams could have adapted better,
(29:44):
do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I think putting ourselves back in that environment of what
it's like to do the first team task. I think
as soon as Ael go you sort of panic. You
panic a lot. And I think that something that they
could have done better was maybe just taking in the information,
taking a second, coming up with a plan together ye
and executing the plan. I think learning from past tasks
(30:09):
that we have done. When you jump in straight away,
it's just it's all confusing and it's hard for an individual,
let alone for a whole team and direct a whole team.
So I think that they probably could have taken a
bit of time.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, that's a great point. That's literally the difference I
reckon there is just taking the time to be calm
enough and president enough to say, okay, how about we
do it this way, you know, and delegating and getting
the job right open spot on. As Simone's team won
this challenge very easily, temps flared for the other lockey's
true character really showed here. Quick to blame other recruits.
(30:41):
Let's have a listen.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Say that girl.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
This is nothing gear. I've touched it. Oh oh my god,
ye're glad. What isn't that girl? With the vehicle's movement
over the first obstacle, jolting it back into gear, Tempers
start to pray between Luckie and Poorly? You put it
(31:11):
in gear? Us put that on me. Hey, you came
in and changed these broke. You're the one that was
sitting in there. You gotta move out.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Play brush that was in gear?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Wasn't it, Poorly man?
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Not good? Not goodbrain?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
To be honest, I feel like this out of everything
has revealed a lot, because when you're under that much pressure,
you cannot blame other people. You just need to get
the job done. You can talk about it afterwards, but
in a real life scenario, if you're getting shot at
the last thing you're gonna do is turn to your
recruit and put all the blame on them. Plus those
(31:55):
troop carriers, they're old and they're finicky, and to be
as it put it, probably put itself back and correct.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Absolutely, that's what I assume.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I thought.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Rather than blame, you give everybody the benefit of doubt,
and you know, you do an appraisal at the end
of it, not during it. Don't start laying blame. But
what's really interesting here is how quickly there's been a
fraying and personality clash given that they're not far enough
into the course to be tired and fatigued and washed
out and you underfed.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
It's too early to.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Be carrying on like that, and a really poor indicator
for some people. I think that you know, emotionally got
a little bit wild a little bit early, and I
would love to have seen somebody standing, either you know
there or later somebody from the group and say, okay,
let's have a look at this and talk it through
because we can't have this this affecting tie group.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, that's a good point that this is early days
and this is happening, because you know, maybe if this
is a mid through the course, you know, I would
understand why getting a bit fiery. But I think it's
a reflection not only of those two, but, like you said,
a reflection of the rest of the recruits, because at
the end of the day, the team's got to work
together to get the job done, and if two of
my recruits are arguing whilst we're out there doing something,
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you've got to step in and just get the job
done and call them out on it and almost move forward.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
So I think that it was.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Disappointing that no one stepped in to just silence them
and move on. But it was also disappointing that they
were going at each other.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, because for me, it almost says as much about
the entire group in some ways as it does about
the two individuals. The fact that nobody tried to make
peace and move on and get them back on target,
back on mission, and back to doing what they needed
to get done. Later on poorly went and made peace
or try to make peace with Locke, which I thought
was very mature. I think he handled it really, really
(33:44):
well and he had his emotional balance in check.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, I agree, there's not many people that probably, especially
when he's half the size of Lockie. There's not many
people that would go and you know, afterwards and confront
him and put everything aside and say, look, you know,
I'm sorry. To be honest, like, I think that he
probably said sorry for more than he needed to, and
that's a great sign of someone who's secure and understands
(34:09):
where they are, understands what they need to do to
get the team over the line. In the end, I
feel like Lockie maybe didn't take it the way I
wanted him to. I feel like this is where we
keep picking up on the ego thing. He thinks he's
above everyone else, he thinks he's he's going to pass
with flying colors. The way that he went about it
and almost spread the gossip, I felt, bloody hell, this
(34:32):
is deja vous.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I've seen this before.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
This is exactly how he was on Survivor, and unfortunately
this isn't Survivor.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
This is the real deal now.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It's totally the opposite. When people talk about Survivor versus
as Australia, I think for me, one of the big
things is in Survivor you try to work against other
people on the show. With this as Australia, you've got
to work with him. It's got to be every person
helping every person. Otherwise you know you're just not going
to get through. You can't go through that on your own.
Really very telling. Well, a huge first few days on
(35:06):
the course, and it's only going to get tougher from
here as it does.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Sabrina, who do you have leaving next week?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Look, we talk about it a lot about seeing signs
pretty early, and I think right now Simone's top of
the list. She's complaining, getting upset about things, and you
know it's early on, So for me, I think she's
going next.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah. I look for emotional states as well, like you know,
how do people respond, you know, are they already in
early days? Are they looking rattled? Are they easy or
prone to getting tearful? So for me, I reckon. I
hate to say this, but I reckon. Melissa Woo to
me looks a little bit timid for this. So depending
on how grueling next week is, she could be.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
The next one to go.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
But there's always surprised us, as we've seen in this
week's episodes.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
A new episode of The Debrief drops every Wednesday, and
keep your eyes on open on Friday for a bonus
mini episode where Sabrenda and I interrogate one of the recruits.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Make sure you don't miss a thing.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Watch Says Australia on Channel seven and seven plus and
catch the SSAS Australia debrief on the iHeartRadio app. See
you next time.
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