March 15, 2022 • 42 mins
Merrick Watts and Sabrina Frederick were lucky enough to find time in Pauly Fenech's busy filming schedule to chat... and boy was it worth it! Pauly holds no punches when he unpacks his beef with Locky Gilbert. He also shares what he learned about himself on SAS Australia (and it's not what you think). Plus Sabrina and Merrick drool over the absolute brutality of this week's challenges, before leaving you with their thoughts on who's due for a cull. Watch season two of SAS Australia on Channel 7
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, talk about back to back days of brutality, the
infamous log carry followed by the casualty extraction, and in
between they got tear gas. Doesn't really get much worse
for the recruits or better for us as viewers. Sabrina,
did you expect and we slightly wrapped when you saw
the tear gas come back in.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I was actually quite surprised because I thought, you know,
they've already been pepper sprayed. Yeah, but they did say
they were stepping up this season. I think they have,
and to be honest, I'm so happy that they doubled
up because it's so.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Good to watch.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
It's great.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
The funny thing is, I think some people might have
thought at the start of this season that it might
have been like a softer Sas Australia.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
But I will say this, I reckon it's getting really hard.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The last couple of weeks and particularly the last two
episodes have been nothing short of brutal too. And you've
got to remember that there's lots of stuff that the
viewer never sees, you know, like there's lots of pack
marching and getting to places and the hard work as
well wearing the down so to be tear gassed and
pepper sprayed. I don't know if I'm envious or glad.
(01:05):
Coming up, we will cover all the brutality in this
week's episodes, and later we'll hear from Pauly Fennik, who
I reckon's got a lot to say about his time
on SAS Australia Plus. As we near the end of
the course, Sabrina and I will discuss who we think
might be at risk of being culled.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I reckon some heads might be on the block. We'll
dive into that up next.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, the first episode this week was Pressure, and the
pressure is beginning to build for the final nine recruits
as they begin to head into the final week of
the course. Tensions are still high between a few recruits
and some misplaced cutlery. Lights of fire between Rhianna and
poorly Sabs. How important is it just to have your
own cutlery?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Honestly, the worst part is looking into you about feeling
like something's missing.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Oh panic.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You know, the kid inspection is right around the corner.
It can happen at any point, so you're always wondering,
like am I gonna get caught out? And to be fair,
I felt like when that happened, they were so confident.
That's the worst part is when you feel confident you've
got everything and then you don't. Yeah, so that's the
worst nightmare.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And the thing is it seems like a small thing,
but it's just about how well you're squared away. And
that's something the DS tell the recruits all day every day,
is make sure your kit is squared away. Make sure
your kit is squared away like constant. So there's no
excuse for not having your kids squared away. But poorly
caught the brunt of it. But even if it was
the one without a fork and didn't say to anybody,
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as anybody who's seen.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
By fulk and fork, it's hard to watch that because
obviously the blame was cast on PAULI like partly fair
because this isn't the first time he's mucked up on
a kid inspection. But I will say I feel like
both Ebony and Paulie needed to take responsibility here, because
if you've ended up with no cutlery and ones ended
(03:03):
up with double both people should have said at one stage,
has anyone missing blah, I'm missing blah. And I feel
like that communication from both of them probably speaks on
the culture that we've been talking about and the fact
that they're not all in it together. There's a couple
on the outside, and I think that those two specifically
(03:24):
in this instance, shows that they're actually not as connected,
because I can almost guarantee the others probably would have
spoken up if they were missing something.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Absolutely, and as a result, everyone's gets punished for it.
But as you and I both know that was always
going to happen. You know, we're at the point end
of the course. They're looking for tiny infringements.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
They're looking for.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
The smallest of excuses and making them massive things because
they were getting ready to beat them, because they're wearing
them down. Getting right into the first task of the episode,
the helicopter ladder crossing, The recruits in pairs had to
pass each other on the ladder suspended above the water.
Communicate as they're passing each other to get to the
other side, pull themselves up into the helicopter. If one
(04:03):
falls out, they both have to drop. Sounds easy, but
it certainly is not.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
As it SAPs.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I think it would have been quite tough for anyone,
to be honest. Upper body strength in general is tough
but hanging from a helicopter, it's not still.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, you can really feel the.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Helicopter when you're up there, you can hear the noises,
you can feel the air. All those things add to it,
not to mention the.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Fact that you're hanging that high above the water you
know is probably freezing.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
The one thing I love about this though, they really
stepped it up from the last season they had this
by adding another person in, because it goes from being
a tasset is already difficult and you've got to focus
on that to working with your running mate to make
sure that both people equally get to the other side
correctly and safely. And I loved that tweak in this
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because it shows where we're out in the course now
they're not only thinking about just passing and things like that.
They're thinking about how do you work under pressure were
they're running mate as well, because that's what they need
to see in the final stages of the course.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
You're right, it's a physical challenge, no doubt, but also
to it's a mental challenge to communicate and to work
out a system to get through effectively. I've got to
tell you a funny story about this because when I
saw the ladder crossing, I was like, unreal. Because before
we went on the course, I had to look at
all of the English series, so I already loved the show,
but I went and had to look at them and
there was a ladder crossing across a ravine and I went, oh,
(05:30):
that looks really tough. So I'm going to train really,
really really hard on a ladder so when they make
me go on the ladder, I will absolutely crush it.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
So I trained for.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Like months on a really really long ladder and it
shredded my hands, like absolutely because they've got like grills
on them to grip.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Anyway, so I did this for months and I was like,
I finally am absolutely ready for the ladder challenge.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
And it never happened. But one thing I trained really
hard for never happened. I was gutted.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I can tell you it looks it looks relatively easy,
but it is very very high, like say that downward
wash from the chopper too, that is very very tough
to get through.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
All I can say is I think we're lucky that
Wayne Carry is no longer on it, because I think
he wouldn't have done so well with this.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
He's not great with leaders, is he.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You know what was interesting too, And this plays into
a different aspect of it, poorly leaving eBones and being
nicknamed the blue falcon.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Have you ever heard of the term blue falcon? It's
the nice way of saying, buddy, you are the ultimate buddy.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That's a huge miss, that's a huge thing. Like they
see that stuff as like why are leaving your buddy behind?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It just comes back to that whole visualization of the
environment that you're in.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
The task isn't just the task.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You really got to think of this course as the
environment to which they operate in. In a real life situation,
would you just leave your person you're running mate behind?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You just wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And I think that they are picking up more on
that stuff than they are if you actually passed it
or not. Paully just seems to me like he just
doesn't quite register that yet.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And it's funny, like it goes back to that thinking
about the recruits and how you feel about the recruits.
If you feel for the recruits, you'll end up doing
the right thing. Yeah, And that's where you know, the communication,
the care, the respect, and the camaraderie that you get
between the recruits.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
If it's not there, it'll actually lead you to making errors.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
All right, So let's look at the next challenge, which
is the infamous log carry the worst.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Honestly, you and I hate this, Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Every time I see it, it takes me right back
to when we're carrying it because it, honestly, is that
bad of a thing to do. It is that painful
to carry and it might seem simple, but how awkward
it is holding that rope when your hands are already
cut and bruised and battered after days. Honestly, for me personally,
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this is the worst task to do on the course.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's really hard, and the timing of other people's movements,
you know, you're constantly jarring. But what was interesting is
Darius was made leader of this task an opportunity. You know,
he's gonna remember he's a former skipper of a footy
club too, but it was an opportunity for him to
finally stand out.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
How do you reckon? He went on this challenge.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I think he struggled a bit.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It was the first time he had been put under
the test in those circumstances and it probably didn't really
know what to do. It looked like he was in
a bit of a shock almost, And to be fair,
that task does do that too you. It really does put.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You under the pump.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So for me, it was a bit disappointing because I
know that it's in him, and I felt like he
just trying to figure out how he could get himself
through that task, rather than sort of leaning on each
other and trying to help everyone else, because chances are
I hope he's struggling, knew that everyone else was struggling.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
It just looked like he was a bit like a
fish out of water there. He wasn't too sure what
to do or how to get it going. And you know,
he's to his own omission. He says that he's more
of a leader by action than he is by voice.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
So he was a bit quiet.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
But yeah, it would have been would have been a
good opportunity for him to really show what he had.
This task, though had some brutal, brutal DS sprays. They're
really starting to have cranked it up now, and quite frankly,
I love it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I like things like this.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Don't up have a question to you?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Get up there now, move.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I should not be wasting.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
For you you keep up with me, I'm polling uselessless
I can stay out on that log proof boob.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
My grandparents faster than him, move and looked, Dad, hurry up.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Honestly, that's saying that, like his grand parents, I've got
to give it up to them, because that is the
one thing I miss on course is just how fast
and witty they are.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, they like how do they think of this stuff?
In real time?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I would have laughed if I was carrying the log
and be sprayed out like that.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Honestly, it would be hard not to if you're up
the back and you're not getting sprayed at behind not
to laugh.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
So good, all right, let's move on to episode nine.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Courage Carriage is a huge part of why people go
on the show and to begin with, and if I
had to pick the most courageous on the course, it
would certainly be one of the women at the stage, who,
for the first time in essays astraight History, are now
outnumbering the men. Coming into the final few days of selection.
Sas what's the difference in this group? How come the
girls are doing so well?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I think it just comes back to that brain's over
Braun's you know concept that we keep harping on about.
I think this course really does favor those who are
the thinking soldier, you know, the ones that are really
trying to think everything out. And I think the women
have really taken that approach. I mean, obviously there are
some in there that are really physically capable as well,
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but they're just leaning into the strength of thinking things
out and really just understanding it's a lot more to it.
I think with the guys, not all of them, but
a lot of them are really just sort of relying
on their physical aspects to get them through. And honestly,
we all know that ninety percent of this course is mental.
And for those guys, I just feel right now is
(11:37):
they're kind of getting left behind because of it.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Definitely, up to this point, a lot of the blokes
are just like headlong into the physical action but not
thinking their way through that.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, it seems like that. It seems like they're sort
of just running into the fire with no plan at all. Yeah,
you know, it's all well and good being the hero
and running into the fire, but if you've got no
plan to get out, you kind.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Of burn alive.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Classic male.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
The women right now now are having that balance of both,
and that is the key to it. Right Now, you know,
physicality you can teach, you can get fitter. They're not
looking for the fittest, you know, beast out there. They're
not looking for that. They're looking for someone that has
the IQ to think their way through situations because it's
very hard to teach people that.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Right, Let's get right into the next task that definitely
requires brains and courage. The gased hostage rescue. They're not
presented just with having to get somebody out or even
just being gased. It's not that simple. They've been told
to go in and rescue a hostage there and think
their way through it. Now, what was really very important
in the detail was when ants briefing, he said.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Situation awareness. Yes, try and figure out as much as
you can before you dive.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
In situational awareness. Now, do you want to explain what
that term means. It crops up a lot in military speak.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, I mean there's countless times when in the military
they're in a situation where they might captured or they're
trying to rescue someone and they need to take in
every single detail around them. And that might be something
simple as if you're in a car, taking note of
how many left turns, how many right turns, the smell
of someone, the voice tones yea, you know, if it's
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male or female. All these pieces of detail or what
keep people alive in their world. So situational awareness for
them just means taking in every bit of your surroundings,
because that's all you've got in those moments. And I
think with this task, a lot of people just went
in full blazing with their actually thinking it through first.
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And they did have a few minutes where they had
the mask on where they could have had a quick
look to see you know that there were instruments there
to help them, but I think a lot of them
just sort of wasted that time.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Darius did well poorly and Locke both did well, but
on a second attempt, yeah, you know, I think it
was braver them to go back in. You know, that's
the courage part, is to go back in. But the
one who really stood out for me was Rihanna. I
mean she just she walked in there and was just like,
all right, this is the situation act like just under
real pressure being gas went okay, this is the solution.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Did it got out? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And you can clearly see when she has the mask
on the head movement, and that means that she was
listening to what was being said, but she was really
looking around her to see and she might have not
seen anything to help, but the fact that she had
that in the back of her mind, that she was
looking for something.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That's the point.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
The point is they need to be constantly taking in
information and using it to the advantage.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
And she smashed it for me.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I mean, she was struggling a bit with the gas,
but I think most people would and she got the
hostage out, you know free, So that that is, you know,
in my books, ten out of ten absolutely faults.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
She's spot on there.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Though about the fact that that's the telltale sign she's
in there, she's got the mask on, she's already switched on,
you know, she's not being overcome by what's going on,
literally just taking in the information and starting to look
around starting. And that was that situation a whenness I
switched on the moment she went in there, and I
was really I was like, wow, this person is the
one to watch now. It's really shifted who I believe
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is going to be there at the end of the day.
Let's talk about who didn't do as well. I think
she'd have a great day of it. Looked like he
deliberately try to guess himself at poor bastard Millly didn't
have a great one, and Ebony I felt sorry for her.
She looked completely lost in there, and it looked like
from the get go she was in trouble.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
The ones that really got me were the ones that
were trying to break the chains with nothing. I'm sitting
there going, how do you expect them to get free?
Like you want to break their wrists to get them out? Like,
I don't understand where that sort of came into play
at all, but I suppose that you know, when you're
under pressure, that just proves, you know, some people really
can't think their way through things. And you know, at
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least with Jeff, he went and found a tool. Yes
he didn't get his hands, you know, get the hands free,
but at least he was looking for something using the
you know, the equipment around. Yeah, Okay, he didn't pass,
but he made the.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Attempt with something. Rather than breaking their.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Wrists to get free, Luckie was going to dislocate the
shoulder to get their arm out of the cart.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
So I was just like, what are you doing? Holy
just snap the arm off. Were you surprised? Abs? And
you must have been.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I thought Anna Heinrich was going to nail this one,
and she faulted. It was a rare failure for her.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
My disappointment with her was the initial act to not
look like I was saying with Rihanna, like she was
already looking.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I think that was for me the disappointment.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, okay, she didn't handle it well with the gas,
but I was disappointed that I didn't even see her
like moving her head around and looking to see if
there was anything to help her.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I think that was mainly for me.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It yeah, look, I don't think it's by only means
the end of her time, not at all.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I was just a little bit surprised.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I'm going to talk about my favorite in this one,
and they did actually passed it. But I saw something
fantastic in Melissa Woo. I really like Melissa Woo. I
think she's good. I think she's good at this. But
when she charged out and she looked crooks, she looked green,
she looked like a teenager on school this week having
a big night. And then she went face first into
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the dirt. Bang, massive impact, you know, essentially knocking herself
out and we're all I think everyone watching was just
like oh gone. And then like two minutes later she's
up and about going okay, all right, well it didn't
do well, Let's go again.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I was like, you are a weapon.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I really love her approach, and to be completely honest,
I see a lot of myself in her because not
once have I seen her complain, and that is a
huge part on the course massive. She's not complained about
whether the task being uncomfortable, people being you know, annoying
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in the group. I've not seen her complain once, and
that is a huge part of it. Like this actually
acknowledging all those things, and you know, clearly going head first,
that was probably the one time you could grant her
a bit of a complaint, you know, and she took
it like an absolute boss and realized when she wasn't
and in that moment almost accepted that she had, you know,
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a choice to go, you know, I can this can
be it, or I'm going to move on.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
And she just think loved it.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
The recovery was awesome, But like you're right, it's the
attitude of that woman that I really like it. There
is no complaint and she got up and it wasn't like,
oh you know, it's like, oh well, okay, well I'm
going to have to get onto the next thing.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
And that was it.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It was just the next thing. Didn't process it as
a failure or anything like that. Was just let's us
move on. She's she's a little weapon.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
We're liking her. One point I would like to have
a look at is Milly.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So she did really really well on the log carry,
very impressed, strong, really focused, but then when she failed
the hostage rescue bang, there was a real cracked there
are an emotional breakdown where she was in tears.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
What did you register when you saw that?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
For me, it was a bit of a red flag.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And that might be a bit extreme for some people,
but every single task is so important to just get
back up, no matter if you've passed or fail. And
we've seen people, you know, almost fall on their sword
because of a failure.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
On a task.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And I just saw the emotions in that failure. It
felt like it was a lot more than just that task.
It felt like there was a lot of emotion behind it.
And I feel conflicted because I feel like she's so
capable and I feel like she has everything that it
takes to go forward. But a huge part of this
is being able to use your emotions for the better
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and not letting your emotions take a hold of you.
And one thing, she got one thing wrong in that,
and it seemed to rock her a lot. For me,
it's a bit of a red flag. I don't know
where it's going to take her.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, this stage, you're hungry, you're cold, you're sleep deprived.
It's really compounding. So every emotion that you feel is
actually quite heightened. And they've done this deliberately, so you've
really got to work hard to control your emotions, whether
it be anger or disappointment in yourself. Even that's a
huge one and you're right to see that. Just go oh,
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that's a little bit of a slip on the grass.
Hopefully she'll regain as fast as we saw Melissa wo
regain after smashing a head into the soil, because it
would be a bit of a shame. We'll still recovering
from the last episode's brutal log carry the recruits at
the face the casualty extraction, this time split into two
teams led by Millie and sabs. Putting two physical tasks
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like that back to back was a planned attempt at
probably cutting the weaker recruits, you.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Think, yeah, I do think at this stage in the course,
the group's looking a bit big, and I think at
this stage they're probably looking to do anything to cut
the weaker ones from the chain. And physical tasks are
really really hard. But to be slammed with a back
to back physical task, not to mention all the physical
stuff that's around those tasks as well, your body would
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be pretty wrecked at this point.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Absolutely, And there could have been like a little mini
beasting in there that we wouldn't have seen. Anything could happen.
Let's talk about Millie's performance here, coming off that failure
and the hostage rescue. How important was her leadership and
her role in this hostage extraction.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It was amazing to see, by the way, because this
is what I wanted to see from her. When we
talk about emotions, emotions are good. I'm not saying, you know,
getting upset or anything like that. Being disappointed as a
bad thing. It's when you can't harness it. And what
I loved seeing in this is she used it. She
used her last failure she harnessed all of that emotion
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and she put it into this next task, and that
is what we love to see. We love the fact
that she's acknowledged it and she's gone, I'm not letting
this happen again, and I'm moving forward. And that is
probably the best recovery you're going to have.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Absolutely, And she had full laser as you know, I
love laser eyes. She just gets that laser focus and
I go, she's on here. And when you see that
on her face, you go, there's a woman who is
going to be in the final four for sure. I
really think that that recovery was critical, and it's performance.
She cracks after the failure in this task, which is
compounding on the last few file tasks for her. I
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think we're starting to see a little bit of speed wobbles.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
She's been on this journey of self belief and I
feel like this has really knocked her, which is a
bit disappointing getting to the pointy end now, because I
think the only thing that was holding her back was
her seeing herself at the end totally. I'd be surprised
if at this point she thinks she's there. So disappointing
because she's so capable, and you could see just the
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amount of progress she'd made in a few days.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
So yeah, disappointing at this stage.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah, I mean, look, if that woman could see what
we all see, then she'd be a lot more confident.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
And that's the problem. She doesn't see it. But I
still don't discount I reckon.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You know, she could have that flash point where she
could just turn it over and say no, no, one
exercise one thing could give her enough confidence, yeah, to
really make a huge difference. So hopefully we will see
that because in the next couple of episodes it's going
to be an absolute punish some of the other standouts. Look,
you've got to give him credit for it. Lockie was
(23:24):
awesome in that extraction. He was just on it the
whole time, worked really, really hard. Darius also went well
on this challenge, And I've got.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
To give props to Lockey and Darius because Darius needed
to step up from his last you know, leadership attempt
and didn't quite get there. I feel like he shone
in that he really did step it up and Lockee, Like,
we give Lockey a lot of slack, but I give
credit where it's due. He really has pulled back and
he's focused on what he needs to do, and this
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was a massive one for him.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, Ebonie struggled, dropped off to carry at the end.
I really like Ebony and I wanted to do well,
but she does have a lot of you know, subsequent failures.
But for me, there is and I don't know. I
suspect maybe it was an injury, Sabs, maybe your hand
was bad. But when you get into the last fifteen minutes,
you have got to be on the end of that carry.
You've got to be there with your recruits carrying some
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of the load, if not your equal share.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I'm getting to a point where I'm like, I just
don't think Evany's capable, genuinely, And it's frustrating for me
to watch because I just feel like she keeps on
just getting there, just getting there, And you can afford failures,
you know, you can afford not getting every single task,
but I genuinely feel like at this point she's just
(24:40):
getting there with the bare basics of you know, kit
inspections and showing up on time and that sort of stuff,
and then she's not quite being there for a team
in a team task either. So it's really showing, and
I'll be interested to see how much longer she stays
in it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And finally we did see Poorly fall off early in
the challenge and and got right into him. This resulted
in Poorly handing in his number. I think this is
the right time for him, wasn't it, Sebs?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah? I do, I do.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I think that it finally got to a point where
I think he realized that, you know, physically, he wasn't
keeping up. And props to him for understanding that his
time has ended, because some people are so stubborn and
they'll just keep going and keep going and letting the
team down. And I think he finally understood, you know
what this is.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
This is my time.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I can't go anymore, and it's time to let it totally.
The group go on totally.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
The defining thing for me, Sebs, is when you have
the realization of what you can do for yourself and
what you can do for your group.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, and you can do whatever you.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Like for yourself, and that's enough, But if you can't
do what you need to do for the group, then
that's when you need to pull yourself off the track.
And that's where I reckon Poorly with total dignity. Got
it right, Yeah, absolutely right. He went at exactly the
right right moment. He knew that he was unable to
contribute to the group anymore, not just his own beliefs,
and put himself aside. So look, he impressed us. He
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went a lot further than I thought he would go.
And Pauly Fhinnick it joins us next on the debrief,
and I reckon, he's gonna have quite a lot to
say about Lockie. Well, he might have felt underestimated on
the SAS Australia course, but SAMs and I both knew
(26:29):
that he was there for the right reasons. Poorly Finnick
joins us. Now, mate, thank you very much for being
on the debrief.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
No, thank you for having me. Man hit me with
the questions. Come on, hit me.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
First of all, are you wearing any underwear? That's the
first question we need to ask you.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Well, I could show you, but the answer is not
underwear all of the time. The only time I do
wear it is when I film houses and I wear
a g stream and that's it.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Mate.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Did you not wear like any underwear at all for
the rest of the course. I mean, obviously the first episode,
We're like, wow, he is ballsy literally, but did you
for the rest of the course decide to not wear underwear?
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Well, it wasn't really a decision. I just I didn't
bring any so you know, it was no under these ways.
It was commando all the way.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Honestly, Paulie, I love the commitment, you know, it's I
guess the one thing we asked the recruits, you know,
committing to this course is why why did you choose
to go onsas Australia.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Look, every year I like to challenge myself with something
really hard, you know, and look, it was on my
bucket list. I never thought i'd get to do it.
I'd seen the show. I thought wow, you know, like
I'd love to have a crack at that. But you know,
the opportunity came up and I thought, well what a
challenge you know it was. I wasn't really looking to
learn something about myself. I think, you know, a lot
of people kind of obviously finish the course and go well,
I learned this about myself that I don't know. The
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only thing I learned was that everything I knew about
myself i'd already learned. I have a bit of a
pain in the balls. I didn't fit with a group,
but I can tough it out when I have to
do sometimes, So do you go, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Look, I mean there was that aspect that you're a
bit of a lone wolf. But the fact that is
that you got to Dane nine, which is an incredible feed. Like,
I don't think people, you know, really understand how tough
it gets after about day five. So to get to
day nine, you know, how you get there is kind
of irrelevant. You say you didn't learn anything poorly, but
you know, what did you take from it? There's no
way known you can get to day nine without taking
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something away from that course.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Well, look, I guess, like I said, it sort of
reinforced things I knew about myself, Like I've always had
to kind of deal with pressure, directing and producing. You
you're always under pressure. There's always problems to solve. But
it was whether or not my body could actually you know,
you know, jumping from a boat to a helicopter or
escaping out a bit of a car. It's kind of
the mind and the body connecting really quickly and having
to do something. You know, it's pretty radical and potentially
(28:40):
dangerous and succeed, you know, So it was pretty cool
to know that I could do that, you know. But
do I take anything else away from it? No, just
it was really hard.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I mean, you obviously talked about the challenging part of it.
You went on to challenge yourself and a lot of
the time you are put under the pump and you
are challenged in aspect, You're always being tested. But I
want to ask, did you actually enjoy it the time
on the course?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yeah, look I did, I did accept. I mean, I
don't like clashing with people because I really don't. Unfortunately
that happened a little bit. But it's a high pressure environment,
so you know, it's it's understandable people get tense, you know,
because it's a tough I mean, it's you know, it's
twenty four to seven as you know, and yeah, it's relentless.
So but apart from clashing with people because I really,
you know, I stay in comedy because I like to
(29:26):
make people happy, you know, I like to kind of
bring a little bit of joy to the world. I
don't know your reasons for being in comedy, but that's
how I feel.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
And absolutely, of course, yeah, just bad.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Vibes are they good. You know, I don't like bad.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Vibes, you know, well, I mean you did make massive
efforts with Lucky to try and you know, bridge the
gap to try and repair the relationship and bring back
Harmon into the group. Was it frustrating because you felt
like he wasn't listening to it or didn't feel like
he was genuine about trying to do that, because you know,
everybody saw you go to him and try and make peace.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Well, what I didn't know until I watched the show
is that he stabbed me in the back two seconds
after shaking my hand, you know, like I didn't know
that at the time. So looking back now, I think
what a dog. I mean, if I'd known that, I
wouldn't have you know, shook in his hand. I would
have just gone over and need him in the face
and put a bit of character on his pretty boy
knas there.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know, for you ton't him in the face, we
would have to have brought in a step ladder. And
you know that that's the truth he.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Was hitting down At the time.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
When I thought about it, I just look, I just
thought he was just being a jerk. You know, there's
no other way to put it. You can see it
on the show. He's immature. He might be big, but
he's actually like a child. It's clear to anyone. And
he's in his own words. He says things like, you know,
he's got no empathy for other human beings. He's really
proud of the fact that he hasn't worked, and he
looks down on regular workers who have mundane jobs. You know,
(30:42):
I knew he was a dickhead on the course, but
I didn't realize what a total wanker he was to
say stuff like that, Well, you've got no empathy for
another human being. If honesty, if I'd known that, I
really would have planted a few I think, you know,
I mean he would have. He's a big guy, he's
good size. But you know, I had been a martial
artist down a boxer, so I might have got him
quick and done. The runner.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Part of this is your reaction. You're under the pump
and reacting to things. But also it's a TV show too,
so people are going to see you in some sort
of light. How do you actually think you came across
to the public with everything that went down.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Look, you know, I can't judge how other people see me,
but look, I just tried to be myself, you know,
and a lot of people have given me a lot
of really pump me up. I guess they felt that
because I was trying to be the guy who's making
the peace and all that. But that's just how I am.
I mean, I felt that in that small group it
wasn't useful at all to have two guys with a beef,
you know. But you know, I couldn't believe you stabbed
(31:34):
me in the back twice. Yeah, I just honestly, I'm
shaking my head that a grown man would do that.
I mean, he acted like he was intimidated by me.
And for a man of that size to behave like that,
you know, after shaking your hand, I mean to me,
it doesn't get much lower in life than you give
a man your word. You know. I was pretty unaware
of all that stuff. I just wandered whever I was
suddenly kind of turning on me. Now I can see why,
(31:57):
you know, but yeah, look, I think most people would
It's the same as me. They were shocked, like, how
could this guy be so low? I'll never have respect
for him ever. After this, I kind of thought maybe
the DS as we went a bit hard on even
all of that. But after watching it, all I saw
was a baby who has never been challenged in his life.
And the first time I challenged him and then the
DS has actually really confronted him about who he was.
(32:19):
He felt the pieces, you know, to be fair though,
I mean after that he did pull his head in
after the DS's kind of did you know, tore strips
off him?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, he did, Sabrina, And I saw, you know when
we watched that dressing down from ant just go. He's
never been spoken to by anybody in his life like that.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yeah, And that made sense about how it kind of
interacted because obviously people don't stand up to him, you know.
And I felt like he was being a bully to me.
I mean, it's ridiculous. He was just using his size.
You know. A person's character is what is important to me.
That man had has little character, you know, and if
he wants to get something, you better start growing it
because he's what is he thirty something? Is he is
(32:58):
he twenty eight? I know all he is, but he's
not a baby. It was eighteen. You could say, maybe, oh, well,
you know he's young, but he's not young. Hasn't grown
up by now? My god, I don't know what's going
to happen.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Anyway, Well, the first couple of days, Paul, you're you know,
you're wires cracking and doing jokes as I was to.
But then about what day did you just go, this
is just starting to get very hard. When did you
know did it really sink in? Holy shit, this is
really hard.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
It probably was only I think only day eight when
we had to carry that bloody log and I just
started lagging behind. That's that's where I felt like I
sort of hit my limit, I think, you know, physically anyway, mentally,
I mean, look, they could throw anything at me or
I could kind of see what they were doing. It
was pretty cool how they play little games where they
put people against each other just to see how it's
(33:42):
going to go. But I could see it. I go,
that's so funny they're doing that. You know, like it's
a fifty one year old chassis. I've got here, and
just like a lot of old cars. You're not going
to run him in Bathist every single time, you know,
sid in the garage and come out on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You know, you mentioned that log, Curry man, and that's painful.
It's one of my worst worst tasks. But speaking speaking
of painful, I've just got to ask from someone who
has done both, what is worse the pepper spray or
the tear gas, because I couldn't imagine which one would
(34:16):
be worse.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Pepper spray ten times worse. I mean, I think the
gas sort of leaves you pretty quickly and it's I
don't know, you get a choking sensation and a slight
burning sensation. But the pepper spray is like literally having
sand and pepper and chili in your eyes. And yeah,
it stays with about forty minutes, you know, maybe even
an hour before your eyes are back to normal. So
(34:37):
that was that was really rough. I'd say that that
was probably the worst physical thing.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I'd say, and what was your favorite task?
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Probably mate, the boat at the helicopter. Come on, so
James Bond stuff. You know, I've actually got that clip
and I've put James Bond music over it. I've said
it to everyone.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I agree, it's.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Probably one of the coolest things I'll ever get to do.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
It absolutely well.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
It's it.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
You know, you go every single a day you have
an experience that people can't even buy, you know, That's
what that's incredible about it, you know, and if you
go in there with that mindset, then you can really
like you can really walk away with some amazing experiences.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
It was just great to kind of all the challenges
were great. It was just really Look, I didn't get
a lot of notice for the course. Somebody else fell
out and they asked me to do it. I was
keen to do it, so I didn't really get the training,
you know, I needed for that, just that physical aspect,
you know, it was just tough keeping up with you
the athletes and all that. You know, everyone was like
double my size and half my age. You know. It
was pretty good. Pretty good for an old bloke, I.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Thought, pullly, I mean, you did you did nine days
and that's spectacular. You know, you're getting very deep in
the course at that point. I just want to say,
well done. I give respect to anyone that signs up
for this course is extremely extremely difficult, But to last
nine days, that's amazing. I always ask this question because
(35:53):
it's just interesting to see where people are at once
they've been out of the course and then seen it
now on TV.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
But would you do it all again?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Oh? You know, probably yes, Stupid I love that I
should say no, it's ridiculous, you know. I was waking
up two weeks afterwards going ship. I shouldn't have said
that the cameras are still on it. I just kept
thinking that I was still under surveilance a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Wow, so it's a falling experience.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
But yes, look, you know I probably would, you know,
because I'm an idiot, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Well, Paullie, thanks for time. You did really well on
the course mate, and pressed the hell out of me.
And best of luck for the future.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Oh, thanks so much, guys. And I don't know, just
for anyone out there is watching, it's it's as tough
as it looks. There's no bullshit. It's full on and
ds is are great guys, and thank them if they're watching,
for that mad experience. And thank you for having me
on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Man, thanks so much for your time, Poullie.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
In every season of SAS Australia, there has been a
cull late in the series. Sometimes there are recruits who
might be too stubborn to hand in their number but
continue to be dead weight the rest of the team
has to carry, or there might be someone whose attitude
is toxic, constantly causing issues, and the DS cut them
loose for the betterment of the rest. Often it's the
(37:20):
recruits who need to make that decision, SABS, Can we
see a cull coming in the next week or so.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's happened before, and the chances are
if we're seeing it, the DS have definitely seen that.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Sometimes, you know, there are people that are so stubborn
that they sort of don't understand where their journey must end.
And I feel like with Ebony, genuinely, I just don't
think there's much more that she can get out of it.
So I'm just, yeah, I'm interested to see.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
The reason why they'll do the colors. If you can't
keep up with a group, you can't keep up with
a group, you know. I think that Ebenez probably at
that stage now, But I reckon there be.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Probably a few people at risk of a cull there,
fifty to fifty on huge at the stage.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I mean, I don't want to be biased because I
like him, but I think that physically we're starting to
see him struggle. Yeah, you know, like really struggle, particularly
and those cardio exercises and as you know, like all
they have to do is throw in one sickener and
you're going to see people collapse, because that is just awful.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, which way do you think it will go a
bit of a culling or a sickener the sickeners.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
It's going to be. It'd be one of the two.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I hope say it's a it's a culling and not
a sick enough because I would rather especially because from
what we've seen, you know, those guys don't give up easily.
And you know, although although we've said with Ebony, you know,
and Hughes, they've not been able to quiet reach the
bar and neither one of them have given up. So
if it came down to a sickener and someone at
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the hand the armband in, he could result in someone
losing someone that they don't.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Want to lose.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yeah, that's the thing, and.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
That's probably something they have to they have to weigh
up too.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
But I feel at this stage they've got to do
something because this cause isn't about just participation and getting through.
It's you and I think people need to understand that
it's not about just getting through the task and just
being a part of it. It's being everything that they're after.
It's you know, being the thinking soldier, being someone they
can trust and have beside you. It's bouncing back from
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failures and being able to handle adversity. It's all of
those things combined that they're looking for at this stage now,
and there's some people that just don't have it and
they won't.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, well, I think that that's what they need to
do now, is they're probably wanting to put the focus
on the people that they think are front runners and
start thinking about that, and to do that, they kind
of need to lose the ones.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Who are at the back of the pack.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
The two ways are they'll just pull in a cull
and they'll just cull one or two people, or they'll
pull a signa And for anybody who's new to the
podcast or unfamiliar with the term sickener, it is just
an excruciating, brutal action that just never ends, has no
ending until people drop off. And we went through it
and it's it's a sick for a reason, and that's
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probably what they might be in line for. They might
be in line for, you know, it could be honestly,
it could be a twenty kilometer pack march.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Who knows no idea.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I actually have a if you have a suspicion, yeah,
I have this.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I don't know about you, but I feel like when
we were on course, when they made the culling and
we actually got a core group that any one of
us could have been there at the end. It almost
elevates you because you're all you're all like, you're not
waiting on people to be late.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
You're not.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
You're all there together, You're all got each other's backs.
It elevates you. It gets you to a level where
you really can perform at a high, high level. You're
not worrying about someone that's dragging their feet behind. And
I'm interested to see if that happens, if there's a
switch and a real gear lifted with the remaining recruits,
because I felt it when we had a couple called
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from our season.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Yep. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I mean there's the things that they don't have time
to be disciplining people anymore.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
And that's the big thing I mean with us.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
You know, they had a cul and it was like
anybody who puts the group at risk of a beasting,
they don't want to do beastings anymore. It's already hard
enough beastings that you know, you're starting to get over them.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
What it is now is they want to see the
true character, the true definition I reckon. You're right, so
that's a very good point. Is that they're going to
look to get rid of the chaft to have a
look at the wheat.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I think either way something needs to happen, a culing
or a sickener. At this point, there's too much dead
weight and I feel like it just needs to thin
the herd and let's just see what the top dogs
have got left.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Well, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
A new episode drops every Wednesday, and keep your eyes
open on Friday for a bonus mini episode where Sabrenda
and I interrogate one of the recruits.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
To make sure you
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Don't miss a thing, watch SAS Australia on Channel seven
and seven plus and catch the SSAS Australia debrief on
the iHeartRadio app.
Well, talk about back to back days of brutality, the
infamous log carry followed by the casualty extraction, and in
between they got tear gas. Doesn't really get much worse
for the recruits or better for us as viewers. Sabrina,
did you expect and we slightly wrapped when you saw
the tear gas come back in.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I was actually quite surprised because I thought, you know,
they've already been pepper sprayed. Yeah, but they did say
they were stepping up this season. I think they have,
and to be honest, I'm so happy that they doubled
up because it's so.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Good to watch.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
It's great.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
The funny thing is, I think some people might have
thought at the start of this season that it might
have been like a softer Sas Australia.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
But I will say this, I reckon it's getting really hard.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The last couple of weeks and particularly the last two
episodes have been nothing short of brutal too. And you've
got to remember that there's lots of stuff that the
viewer never sees, you know, like there's lots of pack
marching and getting to places and the hard work as
well wearing the down so to be tear gassed and
pepper sprayed. I don't know if I'm envious or glad.
(01:05):
Coming up, we will cover all the brutality in this
week's episodes, and later we'll hear from Pauly Fennik, who
I reckon's got a lot to say about his time
on SAS Australia Plus. As we near the end of
the course, Sabrina and I will discuss who we think
might be at risk of being culled.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I reckon some heads might be on the block. We'll
dive into that up next.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, the first episode this week was Pressure, and the
pressure is beginning to build for the final nine recruits
as they begin to head into the final week of
the course. Tensions are still high between a few recruits
and some misplaced cutlery. Lights of fire between Rhianna and
poorly Sabs. How important is it just to have your
own cutlery?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Honestly, the worst part is looking into you about feeling
like something's missing.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Oh panic.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You know, the kid inspection is right around the corner.
It can happen at any point, so you're always wondering,
like am I gonna get caught out? And to be fair,
I felt like when that happened, they were so confident.
That's the worst part is when you feel confident you've
got everything and then you don't. Yeah, so that's the
worst nightmare.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And the thing is it seems like a small thing,
but it's just about how well you're squared away. And
that's something the DS tell the recruits all day every day,
is make sure your kit is squared away. Make sure
your kit is squared away like constant. So there's no
excuse for not having your kids squared away. But poorly
caught the brunt of it. But even if it was
the one without a fork and didn't say to anybody,
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as anybody who's seen.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
By fulk and fork, it's hard to watch that because
obviously the blame was cast on PAULI like partly fair
because this isn't the first time he's mucked up on
a kid inspection. But I will say I feel like
both Ebony and Paulie needed to take responsibility here, because
if you've ended up with no cutlery and ones ended
(03:03):
up with double both people should have said at one stage,
has anyone missing blah, I'm missing blah. And I feel
like that communication from both of them probably speaks on
the culture that we've been talking about and the fact
that they're not all in it together. There's a couple
on the outside, and I think that those two specifically
(03:24):
in this instance, shows that they're actually not as connected,
because I can almost guarantee the others probably would have
spoken up if they were missing something.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Absolutely, and as a result, everyone's gets punished for it.
But as you and I both know that was always
going to happen. You know, we're at the point end
of the course. They're looking for tiny infringements.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
They're looking for.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
The smallest of excuses and making them massive things because
they were getting ready to beat them, because they're wearing
them down. Getting right into the first task of the episode,
the helicopter ladder crossing, The recruits in pairs had to
pass each other on the ladder suspended above the water.
Communicate as they're passing each other to get to the
other side, pull themselves up into the helicopter. If one
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falls out, they both have to drop. Sounds easy, but
it certainly is not.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
As it SAPs.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I think it would have been quite tough for anyone,
to be honest. Upper body strength in general is tough
but hanging from a helicopter, it's not still.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, you can really feel the.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Helicopter when you're up there, you can hear the noises,
you can feel the air. All those things add to it,
not to mention the.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Fact that you're hanging that high above the water you
know is probably freezing.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
The one thing I love about this though, they really
stepped it up from the last season they had this
by adding another person in, because it goes from being
a tasset is already difficult and you've got to focus
on that to working with your running mate to make
sure that both people equally get to the other side
correctly and safely. And I loved that tweak in this
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because it shows where we're out in the course now
they're not only thinking about just passing and things like that.
They're thinking about how do you work under pressure were
they're running mate as well, because that's what they need
to see in the final stages of the course.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
You're right, it's a physical challenge, no doubt, but also
to it's a mental challenge to communicate and to work
out a system to get through effectively. I've got to
tell you a funny story about this because when I
saw the ladder crossing, I was like, unreal. Because before
we went on the course, I had to look at
all of the English series, so I already loved the show,
but I went and had to look at them and
there was a ladder crossing across a ravine and I went, oh,
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that looks really tough. So I'm going to train really,
really really hard on a ladder so when they make
me go on the ladder, I will absolutely crush it.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
So I trained for.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Like months on a really really long ladder and it
shredded my hands, like absolutely because they've got like grills
on them to grip.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Anyway, so I did this for months and I was like,
I finally am absolutely ready for the ladder challenge.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
And it never happened. But one thing I trained really
hard for never happened. I was gutted.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I can tell you it looks it looks relatively easy,
but it is very very high, like say that downward
wash from the chopper too, that is very very tough
to get through.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
All I can say is I think we're lucky that
Wayne Carry is no longer on it, because I think
he wouldn't have done so well with this.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
He's not great with leaders, is he.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You know what was interesting too, And this plays into
a different aspect of it, poorly leaving eBones and being
nicknamed the blue falcon.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Have you ever heard of the term blue falcon? It's
the nice way of saying, buddy, you are the ultimate buddy.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That's a huge miss, that's a huge thing. Like they
see that stuff as like why are leaving your buddy behind?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It just comes back to that whole visualization of the
environment that you're in.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
The task isn't just the task.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You really got to think of this course as the
environment to which they operate in. In a real life situation,
would you just leave your person you're running mate behind?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You just wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And I think that they are picking up more on
that stuff than they are if you actually passed it
or not. Paully just seems to me like he just
doesn't quite register that yet.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And it's funny, like it goes back to that thinking
about the recruits and how you feel about the recruits.
If you feel for the recruits, you'll end up doing
the right thing. Yeah, And that's where you know, the communication,
the care, the respect, and the camaraderie that you get
between the recruits.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
If it's not there, it'll actually lead you to making errors.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
All right, So let's look at the next challenge, which
is the infamous log carry the worst.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Honestly, you and I hate this, Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Every time I see it, it takes me right back
to when we're carrying it because it, honestly, is that
bad of a thing to do. It is that painful
to carry and it might seem simple, but how awkward
it is holding that rope when your hands are already
cut and bruised and battered after days. Honestly, for me personally,
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this is the worst task to do on the course.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's really hard, and the timing of other people's movements,
you know, you're constantly jarring. But what was interesting is
Darius was made leader of this task an opportunity. You know,
he's gonna remember he's a former skipper of a footy
club too, but it was an opportunity for him to
finally stand out.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
How do you reckon? He went on this challenge.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I think he struggled a bit.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It was the first time he had been put under
the test in those circumstances and it probably didn't really
know what to do. It looked like he was in
a bit of a shock almost, And to be fair,
that task does do that too you. It really does put.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You under the pump.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So for me, it was a bit disappointing because I
know that it's in him, and I felt like he
just trying to figure out how he could get himself
through that task, rather than sort of leaning on each
other and trying to help everyone else, because chances are
I hope he's struggling, knew that everyone else was struggling.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
It just looked like he was a bit like a
fish out of water there. He wasn't too sure what
to do or how to get it going. And you know,
he's to his own omission. He says that he's more
of a leader by action than he is by voice.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
So he was a bit quiet.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
But yeah, it would have been would have been a
good opportunity for him to really show what he had.
This task, though had some brutal, brutal DS sprays. They're
really starting to have cranked it up now, and quite frankly,
I love it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I like things like this.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Don't up have a question to you?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Get up there now, move.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I should not be wasting.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
For you you keep up with me, I'm polling uselessless
I can stay out on that log proof boob.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
My grandparents faster than him, move and looked, Dad, hurry up.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Honestly, that's saying that, like his grand parents, I've got
to give it up to them, because that is the
one thing I miss on course is just how fast
and witty they are.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, they like how do they think of this stuff?
In real time?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I would have laughed if I was carrying the log
and be sprayed out like that.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Honestly, it would be hard not to if you're up
the back and you're not getting sprayed at behind not
to laugh.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
So good, all right, let's move on to episode nine.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Courage Carriage is a huge part of why people go
on the show and to begin with, and if I
had to pick the most courageous on the course, it
would certainly be one of the women at the stage, who,
for the first time in essays astraight History, are now
outnumbering the men. Coming into the final few days of selection.
Sas what's the difference in this group? How come the
girls are doing so well?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I think it just comes back to that brain's over
Braun's you know concept that we keep harping on about.
I think this course really does favor those who are
the thinking soldier, you know, the ones that are really
trying to think everything out. And I think the women
have really taken that approach. I mean, obviously there are
some in there that are really physically capable as well,
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but they're just leaning into the strength of thinking things
out and really just understanding it's a lot more to it.
I think with the guys, not all of them, but
a lot of them are really just sort of relying
on their physical aspects to get them through. And honestly,
we all know that ninety percent of this course is mental.
And for those guys, I just feel right now is
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they're kind of getting left behind because of it.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Definitely, up to this point, a lot of the blokes
are just like headlong into the physical action but not
thinking their way through that.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, it seems like that. It seems like they're sort
of just running into the fire with no plan at all. Yeah,
you know, it's all well and good being the hero
and running into the fire, but if you've got no
plan to get out, you kind.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Of burn alive.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Classic male.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
The women right now now are having that balance of both,
and that is the key to it. Right Now, you know,
physicality you can teach, you can get fitter. They're not
looking for the fittest, you know, beast out there. They're
not looking for that. They're looking for someone that has
the IQ to think their way through situations because it's
very hard to teach people that.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Right, Let's get right into the next task that definitely
requires brains and courage. The gased hostage rescue. They're not
presented just with having to get somebody out or even
just being gased. It's not that simple. They've been told
to go in and rescue a hostage there and think
their way through it. Now, what was really very important
in the detail was when ants briefing, he said.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Situation awareness. Yes, try and figure out as much as
you can before you dive.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
In situational awareness. Now, do you want to explain what
that term means. It crops up a lot in military speak.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, I mean there's countless times when in the military
they're in a situation where they might captured or they're
trying to rescue someone and they need to take in
every single detail around them. And that might be something
simple as if you're in a car, taking note of
how many left turns, how many right turns, the smell
of someone, the voice tones yea, you know, if it's
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male or female. All these pieces of detail or what
keep people alive in their world. So situational awareness for
them just means taking in every bit of your surroundings,
because that's all you've got in those moments. And I
think with this task, a lot of people just went
in full blazing with their actually thinking it through first.
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And they did have a few minutes where they had
the mask on where they could have had a quick
look to see you know that there were instruments there
to help them, but I think a lot of them
just sort of wasted that time.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Darius did well poorly and Locke both did well, but
on a second attempt, yeah, you know, I think it
was braver them to go back in. You know, that's
the courage part, is to go back in. But the
one who really stood out for me was Rihanna. I
mean she just she walked in there and was just like,
all right, this is the situation act like just under
real pressure being gas went okay, this is the solution.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Did it got out? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And you can clearly see when she has the mask
on the head movement, and that means that she was
listening to what was being said, but she was really
looking around her to see and she might have not
seen anything to help, but the fact that she had
that in the back of her mind, that she was
looking for something.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That's the point.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
The point is they need to be constantly taking in
information and using it to the advantage.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
And she smashed it for me.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I mean, she was struggling a bit with the gas,
but I think most people would and she got the
hostage out, you know free, So that that is, you know,
in my books, ten out of ten absolutely faults.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
She's spot on there.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Though about the fact that that's the telltale sign she's
in there, she's got the mask on, she's already switched on,
you know, she's not being overcome by what's going on,
literally just taking in the information and starting to look
around starting. And that was that situation a whenness I
switched on the moment she went in there, and I
was really I was like, wow, this person is the
one to watch now. It's really shifted who I believe
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is going to be there at the end of the day.
Let's talk about who didn't do as well. I think
she'd have a great day of it. Looked like he
deliberately try to guess himself at poor bastard Millly didn't
have a great one, and Ebony I felt sorry for her.
She looked completely lost in there, and it looked like
from the get go she was in trouble.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
The ones that really got me were the ones that
were trying to break the chains with nothing. I'm sitting
there going, how do you expect them to get free?
Like you want to break their wrists to get them out? Like,
I don't understand where that sort of came into play
at all, but I suppose that you know, when you're
under pressure, that just proves, you know, some people really
can't think their way through things. And you know, at
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least with Jeff, he went and found a tool. Yes
he didn't get his hands, you know, get the hands free,
but at least he was looking for something using the
you know, the equipment around. Yeah, Okay, he didn't pass,
but he made the.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Attempt with something. Rather than breaking their.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Wrists to get free, Luckie was going to dislocate the
shoulder to get their arm out of the cart.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
So I was just like, what are you doing? Holy
just snap the arm off. Were you surprised? Abs? And
you must have been.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I thought Anna Heinrich was going to nail this one,
and she faulted. It was a rare failure for her.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
My disappointment with her was the initial act to not
look like I was saying with Rihanna, like she was
already looking.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I think that was for me the disappointment.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, okay, she didn't handle it well with the gas,
but I was disappointed that I didn't even see her
like moving her head around and looking to see if
there was anything to help her.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I think that was mainly for me.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It yeah, look, I don't think it's by only means
the end of her time, not at all.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I was just a little bit surprised.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I'm going to talk about my favorite in this one,
and they did actually passed it. But I saw something
fantastic in Melissa Woo. I really like Melissa Woo. I
think she's good. I think she's good at this. But
when she charged out and she looked crooks, she looked green,
she looked like a teenager on school this week having
a big night. And then she went face first into
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the dirt. Bang, massive impact, you know, essentially knocking herself
out and we're all I think everyone watching was just
like oh gone. And then like two minutes later she's
up and about going okay, all right, well it didn't
do well, Let's go again.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I was like, you are a weapon.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I really love her approach, and to be completely honest,
I see a lot of myself in her because not
once have I seen her complain, and that is a
huge part on the course massive. She's not complained about
whether the task being uncomfortable, people being you know, annoying
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in the group. I've not seen her complain once, and
that is a huge part of it. Like this actually
acknowledging all those things, and you know, clearly going head first,
that was probably the one time you could grant her
a bit of a complaint, you know, and she took
it like an absolute boss and realized when she wasn't
and in that moment almost accepted that she had, you know,
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a choice to go, you know, I can this can
be it, or I'm going to move on.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
And she just think loved it.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
The recovery was awesome, But like you're right, it's the
attitude of that woman that I really like it. There
is no complaint and she got up and it wasn't like,
oh you know, it's like, oh well, okay, well I'm
going to have to get onto the next thing.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
And that was it.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It was just the next thing. Didn't process it as
a failure or anything like that. Was just let's us
move on. She's she's a little weapon.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
We're liking her. One point I would like to have
a look at is Milly.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So she did really really well on the log carry,
very impressed, strong, really focused, but then when she failed
the hostage rescue bang, there was a real cracked there
are an emotional breakdown where she was in tears.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
What did you register when you saw that?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
For me, it was a bit of a red flag.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And that might be a bit extreme for some people,
but every single task is so important to just get
back up, no matter if you've passed or fail. And
we've seen people, you know, almost fall on their sword
because of a failure.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
On a task.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And I just saw the emotions in that failure. It
felt like it was a lot more than just that task.
It felt like there was a lot of emotion behind it.
And I feel conflicted because I feel like she's so
capable and I feel like she has everything that it
takes to go forward. But a huge part of this
is being able to use your emotions for the better
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and not letting your emotions take a hold of you.
And one thing, she got one thing wrong in that,
and it seemed to rock her a lot. For me,
it's a bit of a red flag. I don't know
where it's going to take her.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, this stage, you're hungry, you're cold, you're sleep deprived.
It's really compounding. So every emotion that you feel is
actually quite heightened. And they've done this deliberately, so you've
really got to work hard to control your emotions, whether
it be anger or disappointment in yourself. Even that's a
huge one and you're right to see that. Just go oh,
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that's a little bit of a slip on the grass.
Hopefully she'll regain as fast as we saw Melissa wo
regain after smashing a head into the soil, because it
would be a bit of a shame. We'll still recovering
from the last episode's brutal log carry the recruits at
the face the casualty extraction, this time split into two
teams led by Millie and sabs. Putting two physical tasks
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like that back to back was a planned attempt at
probably cutting the weaker recruits, you.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Think, yeah, I do think at this stage in the course,
the group's looking a bit big, and I think at
this stage they're probably looking to do anything to cut
the weaker ones from the chain. And physical tasks are
really really hard. But to be slammed with a back
to back physical task, not to mention all the physical
stuff that's around those tasks as well, your body would
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be pretty wrecked at this point.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Absolutely, And there could have been like a little mini
beasting in there that we wouldn't have seen. Anything could happen.
Let's talk about Millie's performance here, coming off that failure
and the hostage rescue. How important was her leadership and
her role in this hostage extraction.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It was amazing to see, by the way, because this
is what I wanted to see from her. When we
talk about emotions, emotions are good. I'm not saying, you know,
getting upset or anything like that. Being disappointed as a
bad thing. It's when you can't harness it. And what
I loved seeing in this is she used it. She
used her last failure she harnessed all of that emotion
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and she put it into this next task, and that
is what we love to see. We love the fact
that she's acknowledged it and she's gone, I'm not letting
this happen again, and I'm moving forward. And that is
probably the best recovery you're going to have.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Absolutely, And she had full laser as you know, I
love laser eyes. She just gets that laser focus and
I go, she's on here. And when you see that
on her face, you go, there's a woman who is
going to be in the final four for sure. I
really think that that recovery was critical, and it's performance.
She cracks after the failure in this task, which is
compounding on the last few file tasks for her. I
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think we're starting to see a little bit of speed wobbles.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
She's been on this journey of self belief and I
feel like this has really knocked her, which is a
bit disappointing getting to the pointy end now, because I
think the only thing that was holding her back was
her seeing herself at the end totally. I'd be surprised
if at this point she thinks she's there. So disappointing
because she's so capable, and you could see just the
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amount of progress she'd made in a few days.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
So yeah, disappointing at this stage.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah, I mean, look, if that woman could see what
we all see, then she'd be a lot more confident.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
And that's the problem. She doesn't see it. But I
still don't discount I reckon.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You know, she could have that flash point where she
could just turn it over and say no, no, one
exercise one thing could give her enough confidence, yeah, to
really make a huge difference. So hopefully we will see
that because in the next couple of episodes it's going
to be an absolute punish some of the other standouts. Look,
you've got to give him credit for it. Lockie was
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awesome in that extraction. He was just on it the
whole time, worked really, really hard. Darius also went well
on this challenge, And I've got.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
To give props to Lockey and Darius because Darius needed
to step up from his last you know, leadership attempt
and didn't quite get there. I feel like he shone
in that he really did step it up and Lockee, Like,
we give Lockey a lot of slack, but I give
credit where it's due. He really has pulled back and
he's focused on what he needs to do, and this
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was a massive one for him.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, Ebonie struggled, dropped off to carry at the end.
I really like Ebony and I wanted to do well,
but she does have a lot of you know, subsequent failures.
But for me, there is and I don't know. I
suspect maybe it was an injury, Sabs, maybe your hand
was bad. But when you get into the last fifteen minutes,
you have got to be on the end of that carry.
You've got to be there with your recruits carrying some
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of the load, if not your equal share.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I'm getting to a point where I'm like, I just
don't think Evany's capable, genuinely, And it's frustrating for me
to watch because I just feel like she keeps on
just getting there, just getting there, And you can afford failures,
you know, you can afford not getting every single task,
but I genuinely feel like at this point she's just
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getting there with the bare basics of you know, kit
inspections and showing up on time and that sort of stuff,
and then she's not quite being there for a team
in a team task either. So it's really showing, and
I'll be interested to see how much longer she stays
in it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And finally we did see Poorly fall off early in
the challenge and and got right into him. This resulted
in Poorly handing in his number. I think this is
the right time for him, wasn't it, Sebs?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah? I do, I do.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I think that it finally got to a point where
I think he realized that, you know, physically, he wasn't
keeping up. And props to him for understanding that his
time has ended, because some people are so stubborn and
they'll just keep going and keep going and letting the
team down. And I think he finally understood, you know
what this is.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
This is my time.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I can't go anymore, and it's time to let it totally.
The group go on totally.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
The defining thing for me, Sebs, is when you have
the realization of what you can do for yourself and
what you can do for your group.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, and you can do whatever you.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Like for yourself, and that's enough, But if you can't
do what you need to do for the group, then
that's when you need to pull yourself off the track.
And that's where I reckon Poorly with total dignity. Got
it right, Yeah, absolutely right. He went at exactly the
right right moment. He knew that he was unable to
contribute to the group anymore, not just his own beliefs,
and put himself aside. So look, he impressed us. He
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went a lot further than I thought he would go.
And Pauly Fhinnick it joins us next on the debrief,
and I reckon, he's gonna have quite a lot to
say about Lockie. Well, he might have felt underestimated on
the SAS Australia course, but SAMs and I both knew
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that he was there for the right reasons. Poorly Finnick
joins us. Now, mate, thank you very much for being
on the debrief.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
No, thank you for having me. Man hit me with
the questions. Come on, hit me.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
First of all, are you wearing any underwear? That's the
first question we need to ask you.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Well, I could show you, but the answer is not
underwear all of the time. The only time I do
wear it is when I film houses and I wear
a g stream and that's it.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Mate.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Did you not wear like any underwear at all for
the rest of the course. I mean, obviously the first episode,
We're like, wow, he is ballsy literally, but did you
for the rest of the course decide to not wear underwear?
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Well, it wasn't really a decision. I just I didn't
bring any so you know, it was no under these ways.
It was commando all the way.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Honestly, Paulie, I love the commitment, you know, it's I
guess the one thing we asked the recruits, you know,
committing to this course is why why did you choose
to go onsas Australia.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Look, every year I like to challenge myself with something
really hard, you know, and look, it was on my
bucket list. I never thought i'd get to do it.
I'd seen the show. I thought wow, you know, like
I'd love to have a crack at that. But you know,
the opportunity came up and I thought, well what a
challenge you know it was. I wasn't really looking to
learn something about myself. I think, you know, a lot
of people kind of obviously finish the course and go well,
I learned this about myself that I don't know. The
(27:46):
only thing I learned was that everything I knew about
myself i'd already learned. I have a bit of a
pain in the balls. I didn't fit with a group,
but I can tough it out when I have to
do sometimes, So do you go, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Look, I mean there was that aspect that you're a
bit of a lone wolf. But the fact that is
that you got to Dane nine, which is an incredible feed. Like,
I don't think people, you know, really understand how tough
it gets after about day five. So to get to
day nine, you know, how you get there is kind
of irrelevant. You say you didn't learn anything poorly, but
you know, what did you take from it? There's no
way known you can get to day nine without taking
(28:16):
something away from that course.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Well, look, I guess, like I said, it sort of
reinforced things I knew about myself, Like I've always had
to kind of deal with pressure, directing and producing. You
you're always under pressure. There's always problems to solve. But
it was whether or not my body could actually you know,
you know, jumping from a boat to a helicopter or
escaping out a bit of a car. It's kind of
the mind and the body connecting really quickly and having
to do something. You know, it's pretty radical and potentially
(28:40):
dangerous and succeed, you know, So it was pretty cool
to know that I could do that, you know. But
do I take anything else away from it? No, just
it was really hard.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I mean, you obviously talked about the challenging part of it.
You went on to challenge yourself and a lot of
the time you are put under the pump and you
are challenged in aspect, You're always being tested. But I
want to ask, did you actually enjoy it the time
on the course?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yeah, look I did, I did accept. I mean, I
don't like clashing with people because I really don't. Unfortunately
that happened a little bit. But it's a high pressure environment,
so you know, it's it's understandable people get tense, you know,
because it's a tough I mean, it's you know, it's
twenty four to seven as you know, and yeah, it's relentless.
So but apart from clashing with people because I really,
you know, I stay in comedy because I like to
(29:26):
make people happy, you know, I like to kind of
bring a little bit of joy to the world. I
don't know your reasons for being in comedy, but that's
how I feel.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
And absolutely, of course, yeah, just bad.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Vibes are they good. You know, I don't like bad.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Vibes, you know, well, I mean you did make massive
efforts with Lucky to try and you know, bridge the
gap to try and repair the relationship and bring back
Harmon into the group. Was it frustrating because you felt
like he wasn't listening to it or didn't feel like
he was genuine about trying to do that, because you know,
everybody saw you go to him and try and make peace.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Well, what I didn't know until I watched the show
is that he stabbed me in the back two seconds
after shaking my hand, you know, like I didn't know
that at the time. So looking back now, I think
what a dog. I mean, if I'd known that, I
wouldn't have you know, shook in his hand. I would
have just gone over and need him in the face
and put a bit of character on his pretty boy
knas there.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know, for you ton't him in the face, we
would have to have brought in a step ladder. And
you know that that's the truth he.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Was hitting down At the time.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
When I thought about it, I just look, I just
thought he was just being a jerk. You know, there's
no other way to put it. You can see it
on the show. He's immature. He might be big, but
he's actually like a child. It's clear to anyone. And
he's in his own words. He says things like, you know,
he's got no empathy for other human beings. He's really
proud of the fact that he hasn't worked, and he
looks down on regular workers who have mundane jobs. You know,
(30:42):
I knew he was a dickhead on the course, but
I didn't realize what a total wanker he was to
say stuff like that, Well, you've got no empathy for
another human being. If honesty, if I'd known that, I
really would have planted a few I think, you know,
I mean he would have. He's a big guy, he's
good size. But you know, I had been a martial
artist down a boxer, so I might have got him
quick and done. The runner.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Part of this is your reaction. You're under the pump
and reacting to things. But also it's a TV show too,
so people are going to see you in some sort
of light. How do you actually think you came across
to the public with everything that went down.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Look, you know, I can't judge how other people see me,
but look, I just tried to be myself, you know,
and a lot of people have given me a lot
of really pump me up. I guess they felt that
because I was trying to be the guy who's making
the peace and all that. But that's just how I am.
I mean, I felt that in that small group it
wasn't useful at all to have two guys with a beef,
you know. But you know, I couldn't believe you stabbed
(31:34):
me in the back twice. Yeah, I just honestly, I'm
shaking my head that a grown man would do that.
I mean, he acted like he was intimidated by me.
And for a man of that size to behave like that,
you know, after shaking your hand, I mean to me,
it doesn't get much lower in life than you give
a man your word. You know. I was pretty unaware
of all that stuff. I just wandered whever I was
suddenly kind of turning on me. Now I can see why,
(31:57):
you know, but yeah, look, I think most people would
It's the same as me. They were shocked, like, how
could this guy be so low? I'll never have respect
for him ever. After this, I kind of thought maybe
the DS as we went a bit hard on even
all of that. But after watching it, all I saw
was a baby who has never been challenged in his life.
And the first time I challenged him and then the
DS has actually really confronted him about who he was.
(32:19):
He felt the pieces, you know, to be fair though,
I mean after that he did pull his head in
after the DS's kind of did you know, tore strips
off him?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, he did, Sabrina, And I saw, you know when
we watched that dressing down from ant just go. He's
never been spoken to by anybody in his life like that.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yeah, And that made sense about how it kind of
interacted because obviously people don't stand up to him, you know.
And I felt like he was being a bully to me.
I mean, it's ridiculous. He was just using his size.
You know. A person's character is what is important to me.
That man had has little character, you know, and if
he wants to get something, you better start growing it
because he's what is he thirty something? Is he is
(32:58):
he twenty eight? I know all he is, but he's
not a baby. It was eighteen. You could say, maybe, oh, well,
you know he's young, but he's not young. Hasn't grown
up by now? My god, I don't know what's going
to happen.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Anyway, Well, the first couple of days, Paul, you're you know,
you're wires cracking and doing jokes as I was to.
But then about what day did you just go, this
is just starting to get very hard. When did you
know did it really sink in? Holy shit, this is
really hard.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
It probably was only I think only day eight when
we had to carry that bloody log and I just
started lagging behind. That's that's where I felt like I
sort of hit my limit, I think, you know, physically anyway, mentally,
I mean, look, they could throw anything at me or
I could kind of see what they were doing. It
was pretty cool how they play little games where they
put people against each other just to see how it's
(33:42):
going to go. But I could see it. I go,
that's so funny they're doing that. You know, like it's
a fifty one year old chassis. I've got here, and
just like a lot of old cars. You're not going
to run him in Bathist every single time, you know,
sid in the garage and come out on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You know, you mentioned that log, Curry man, and that's painful.
It's one of my worst worst tasks. But speaking speaking
of painful, I've just got to ask from someone who
has done both, what is worse the pepper spray or
the tear gas, because I couldn't imagine which one would
(34:16):
be worse.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Pepper spray ten times worse. I mean, I think the
gas sort of leaves you pretty quickly and it's I
don't know, you get a choking sensation and a slight
burning sensation. But the pepper spray is like literally having
sand and pepper and chili in your eyes. And yeah,
it stays with about forty minutes, you know, maybe even
an hour before your eyes are back to normal. So
(34:37):
that was that was really rough. I'd say that that
was probably the worst physical thing.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I'd say, and what was your favorite task?
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Probably mate, the boat at the helicopter. Come on, so
James Bond stuff. You know, I've actually got that clip
and I've put James Bond music over it. I've said
it to everyone.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I agree, it's.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Probably one of the coolest things I'll ever get to do.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
It absolutely well.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
It's it.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
You know, you go every single a day you have
an experience that people can't even buy, you know, That's
what that's incredible about it, you know, and if you
go in there with that mindset, then you can really
like you can really walk away with some amazing experiences.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
It was just great to kind of all the challenges
were great. It was just really Look, I didn't get
a lot of notice for the course. Somebody else fell
out and they asked me to do it. I was
keen to do it, so I didn't really get the training,
you know, I needed for that, just that physical aspect,
you know, it was just tough keeping up with you
the athletes and all that. You know, everyone was like
double my size and half my age. You know. It
was pretty good. Pretty good for an old bloke, I.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Thought, pullly, I mean, you did you did nine days
and that's spectacular. You know, you're getting very deep in
the course at that point. I just want to say,
well done. I give respect to anyone that signs up
for this course is extremely extremely difficult, But to last
nine days, that's amazing. I always ask this question because
(35:53):
it's just interesting to see where people are at once
they've been out of the course and then seen it
now on TV.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
But would you do it all again?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Oh? You know, probably yes, Stupid I love that I
should say no, it's ridiculous, you know. I was waking
up two weeks afterwards going ship. I shouldn't have said
that the cameras are still on it. I just kept
thinking that I was still under surveilance a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Wow, so it's a falling experience.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
But yes, look, you know I probably would, you know,
because I'm an idiot, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Well, Paullie, thanks for time. You did really well on
the course mate, and pressed the hell out of me.
And best of luck for the future.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Oh, thanks so much, guys. And I don't know, just
for anyone out there is watching, it's it's as tough
as it looks. There's no bullshit. It's full on and
ds is are great guys, and thank them if they're watching,
for that mad experience. And thank you for having me
on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Man, thanks so much for your time, Poullie.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
In every season of SAS Australia, there has been a
cull late in the series. Sometimes there are recruits who
might be too stubborn to hand in their number but
continue to be dead weight the rest of the team
has to carry, or there might be someone whose attitude
is toxic, constantly causing issues, and the DS cut them
loose for the betterment of the rest. Often it's the
(37:20):
recruits who need to make that decision, SABS, Can we
see a cull coming in the next week or so.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's happened before, and the chances are
if we're seeing it, the DS have definitely seen that.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Sometimes, you know, there are people that are so stubborn
that they sort of don't understand where their journey must end.
And I feel like with Ebony, genuinely, I just don't
think there's much more that she can get out of it.
So I'm just, yeah, I'm interested to see.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
The reason why they'll do the colors. If you can't
keep up with a group, you can't keep up with
a group, you know. I think that Ebenez probably at
that stage now, But I reckon there be.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Probably a few people at risk of a cull there,
fifty to fifty on huge at the stage.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I mean, I don't want to be biased because I
like him, but I think that physically we're starting to
see him struggle. Yeah, you know, like really struggle, particularly
and those cardio exercises and as you know, like all
they have to do is throw in one sickener and
you're going to see people collapse, because that is just awful.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, which way do you think it will go a
bit of a culling or a sickener the sickeners.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
It's going to be. It'd be one of the two.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I hope say it's a it's a culling and not
a sick enough because I would rather especially because from
what we've seen, you know, those guys don't give up easily.
And you know, although although we've said with Ebony, you know,
and Hughes, they've not been able to quiet reach the
bar and neither one of them have given up. So
if it came down to a sickener and someone at
(38:48):
the hand the armband in, he could result in someone
losing someone that they don't.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Want to lose.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yeah, that's the thing, and.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
That's probably something they have to they have to weigh
up too.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
But I feel at this stage they've got to do
something because this cause isn't about just participation and getting through.
It's you and I think people need to understand that
it's not about just getting through the task and just
being a part of it. It's being everything that they're after.
It's you know, being the thinking soldier, being someone they
can trust and have beside you. It's bouncing back from
(39:19):
failures and being able to handle adversity. It's all of
those things combined that they're looking for at this stage now,
and there's some people that just don't have it and
they won't.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, well, I think that that's what they need to
do now, is they're probably wanting to put the focus
on the people that they think are front runners and
start thinking about that, and to do that, they kind
of need to lose the ones.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Who are at the back of the pack.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
The two ways are they'll just pull in a cull
and they'll just cull one or two people, or they'll
pull a signa And for anybody who's new to the
podcast or unfamiliar with the term sickener, it is just
an excruciating, brutal action that just never ends, has no
ending until people drop off. And we went through it
and it's it's a sick for a reason, and that's
(40:01):
probably what they might be in line for. They might
be in line for, you know, it could be honestly,
it could be a twenty kilometer pack march.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Who knows no idea.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
I actually have a if you have a suspicion, yeah,
I have this.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I don't know about you, but I feel like when
we were on course, when they made the culling and
we actually got a core group that any one of
us could have been there at the end. It almost
elevates you because you're all you're all like, you're not
waiting on people to be late.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
You're not.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
You're all there together, You're all got each other's backs.
It elevates you. It gets you to a level where
you really can perform at a high, high level. You're
not worrying about someone that's dragging their feet behind. And
I'm interested to see if that happens, if there's a
switch and a real gear lifted with the remaining recruits,
because I felt it when we had a couple called
(40:56):
from our season.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Yep. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I mean there's the things that they don't have time
to be disciplining people anymore.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
And that's the big thing I mean with us.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
You know, they had a cul and it was like
anybody who puts the group at risk of a beasting,
they don't want to do beastings anymore. It's already hard
enough beastings that you know, you're starting to get over them.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
What it is now is they want to see the
true character, the true definition I reckon. You're right, so
that's a very good point. Is that they're going to
look to get rid of the chaft to have a
look at the wheat.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I think either way something needs to happen, a culing
or a sickener. At this point, there's too much dead
weight and I feel like it just needs to thin
the herd and let's just see what the top dogs
have got left.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Well, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
A new episode drops every Wednesday, and keep your eyes
open on Friday for a bonus mini episode where Sabrenda
and I interrogate one of the recruits.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
To make sure you
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Don't miss a thing, watch SAS Australia on Channel seven
and seven plus and catch the SSAS Australia debrief on
the iHeartRadio app.
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