May 28, 2025 • 23 mins
This week, Mel kicks us off with a fascinating women's health fact that neither of us had ever heard of. We chat about Monty's awesome appearance on The Imperfects podcast (link below to listen), the decision (and judgement) that comes with medicating kids, and a whole lotta Kardashian chat... including the facelift the world is talking about. Enjoy!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Yes, it is Show and Tell time. It is the
time of.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The week you listen to us talk. Hi, how's it going?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hi, it's Mail, It's Monty. Thanks for listening into our podcast.
If you're new to the podcast, which I think there
might be a few newies, which is exciting. Welcome and
also to our longtime listeners, thank you for listening in
as per usual. But Mail, let's kick off the pod
with your random fat of the week.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh my god. Okay, so I saw this on a
clip on Instagram from a podcast called Wine About It.
One of the girls was talking about this thing called
a decidual cast. Have you ever heard of this ever?
So what it is. It's very rare, but it happens.
You know, a period is when you shed the line
(01:00):
of your uterus. Yeah, right, And it happens over the
course of a few days to a week or whatever.
This is when the whole uterine lining sheds at once.
Oh so it's just a one dayer. It's it's but
it comes out literally like the shape of your uterus.
The whole lining sheds in one piece. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
That's fantastic, like a hectic qlot like if you're up
for it, if you dare google it.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I did. It literally looks like a tongue, A tongue, yes,
sort of like the shape of the uterus is almost
like that, sort of I guess, triangle shape upside down,
triangles out like that. Never ever knew about it either.
I would love that.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
How brilliant to just get it over in one day, done,
But you would have to just make sure you're home
at that time. It would be brilliant if you knew. Okay,
at two o'clock on this date, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
To hop in the shower. Yeah, hopping the shower, blob out. Oh,
maybe what I did?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Feel like, I feel almost nice. It feel like you're
after birth, like you know, once you've given birth and
then your after birth comes out.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I didn't like that bit. Well, it hurt because you
were still.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Having contractions, but I liked the feeling of it, like
sliding out like a gush of meat. Hey, so last
week I did the Imperfect podcast, Yes You did, one
of my favorite podcasts with Ryan Shelton Hugh and Josh
Van Kyle and Berg where they interview just I've mentioned
it a million times and pointed people to the podcast
(02:32):
a heap of times. But where they just talked to
often experts or just people about their life. So I
went on, oh my god, after I did it, I
have never First of all, I was so nervous doing it.
I've never had nerves like that in my whole life.
Like Ryan's one of my great mates. I couldn't even
pick up my glass of water on the table because
(02:54):
my hands were shaking so much, so I had to
have my hands under the desk.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Do you know what I think it is. I think
it's because you do TV and stuff and you're fine
with that. I think it's you were going in knowing
you were going to be vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Totally. I felt so vulnerable. And also, like on here,
I talk about myself a lot, but in my job
I'm interviewing other people, so it's never just talking about myself.
When for an hour and a half we covered everything
from my mum dying me telling my little boy about it,
to my chronic illnesses to losing your job when I
(03:28):
fell pregnant, Like, we covered.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Everything, and they ask just the right questions, just.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
The right questions. Anyway, the feedback I got was so
out of this world. I said to Sam, I get
how celebrities feel when they're just bombarded with the most
epic comments that you would get delusional.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I said to him, I said, I've got to be
prepared because they just banged out the social clips over
like four days. I said, I've got to be prepared
when these comments finish, because I was so beautiful, like
so many people saying how much they related, saying how
brave I was, how amazing I was. And I said
to Sam, this is addictive reading these comments. And I said,
(04:14):
imagine you were like a maths contestant where you're as
big as anything for the duration of the show, and
then it all fucking stops. Like I get how it
can mess.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
With your head. Well imagine also it going the opposite way,
the cat sing and people saying, oh oh my god, Monty,
like what that's so ship?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Oh fuck you strain whatever, images like that. Oh So,
because you do. I read them and they made me
feel amazing. There wasn't one negative comment. It was such
a beautiful space to share. But you're right, if they
were negative comments, it would have sent me into a hole.
Because human nature is you can't help but read things
about you like you just can't. So I was on
(05:00):
Instagram like an absolute fucking demon, just watching the numbers
go up, watching the comments come in, and I was like,
this is so beautiful, but I have to also have
a grip on the fact that everyone writes that and
then they move on where I'm like, oh, I'm excellent.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
No, But it's also just I think it probably would
have made you feel good too, because it's all that
feeling of being less alone.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
That's feeling Haunds down to a lot it is. I
know that it sounds cheesy, but sharing what I did
and feeling very vulnerable and I spoke very openly about
my children and their neurodivergency, which connected hugely with so
many people. It's a very isolating thing, and so to
have an instant connection, even if it's just a message
(05:49):
going I totally relate. I'm going through this as well.
Like one of the people in the comments wrote, I
feel like I've found my people in this comment section,
and that got me because I was like, so many
of us are doing things like even people writing about
the grief of how lonely it is and isolating it is,
and just knowing that you're not alone in those things
(06:11):
can be really comforting.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, because it's easy to forget that other people are
going through it when you're in it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And yeah, when you're often just surviving, you're like everyone
else around me is fucking thriving. Where this was like, Oh,
everyone's got their shit, No one's thriving, No one's thriving,
no one anyway. Going from helping people to the Kardashians.
So I listened to Chloe Kardashian's got a new podcast
(06:38):
and she had Courtney on last week. Late last week.
Courtney does attachment parenting, where if you do that, who
are to you? Like, kudos to you, that's amazing. I
do detachment parenting where it's like you're out of the womb,
You're on your fucking own.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Now. No you don't, God, you'd make yourself out to
be an No, I don't, but I very much.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I don't know. I don't have a huge amount of patients.
So just sitting with the kids or playing with the
kids last about ten minutes where I'm like, Okay, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
She her little boy.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Naps for three hours a day, and she just sits
in the chair and nurses him for his whole n
app every day.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
That is a level of privilege.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Oh my god. The whole time she's talking, I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
This is so privileged.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Everything they're talking about was, of course naturally so unbelievably privileged.
But to be able to sit there because of course
she's she's got people cleaning her house and making her dinner.
So to sit there with your baby for three hours,
hands down privilege. But how fucking boring.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I'm sure in that time she's maybe got the baby
like this, and maybe she's checking emails, and oh she is.
I was gonna say, you can't just be sitting there.
She's got like.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
A frequency blanket on him. She's got something on her
phone to science to stop the radiation of her phone
going to him. She's really fucking right. And also she
was saying how she goes against the grain with a
lot of parenting stuff. She's like, I will nurse my
kids when they have a fever. I won't give them
tile andol or anything. I'm like, that's fucking mean, Like
if the kid's in pain, you've got to give the
(08:19):
kid pan at all.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's like, I don't want to sound defensive when I
say this, it's just not understanding or relating to, for example,
people who were Jehovah's witnesses who don't believe in sort
of blood transfusions and stuff. So if their loved one
is in a car accident, for example, and the doctors
say they need a blood transfusion, the idea is God
(08:41):
is going to take care of them.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yes, right, I think same as scientologists. Remember there was
something Tom Cruise didn't approve of. Was it Kirsty Ally
or somebody had to have a blood transfusion or something,
and it.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Was like, I don't know, but the concept of that
I don't get. So like, when your kid's in pain,
no one wants to just smash their kid with pantol
and whatever, but I mean you also don't want your
kid to suffer either.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Here's the thing. Medication is a really interesting topic when
it comes to your kids. And I just find it
really challenging when people go against Western medication that can
help you and hugely help you. And I get it's
(09:32):
not the first line of contact, especially for your children,
but there are so many kids out there with such
hectic anxiety, such hectic ADHD and the parents not coming
to terms with medicating their kids. And who is suffering
is the children, and it really upsets me.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
There are so many things about that, like that is
also just a form of shaming. Yeah, like almost translating.
You know, we don't want to do that because and
you know, everyone has their own right to what they think.
Is that based down the thing I think is really
an issue when a parent is in denial but there's something,
(10:17):
you know that needs to be managed in their child,
and then the child is you know, acting out in
the classroom and stuff, and it affects everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yes, there was a really interesting clip keeping on the Kardashians.
The Kardashians stock he treats the Kardashians. It's talking about ADHD,
which I spoke about on the imperfects that I have.
I haven't found medication that works properly for me. My
middle child is like chalk and cheese outside of his
(10:46):
when I can tell in the morning when his medication
kicks in because it complex doesn't alter his personality in
any which way, but he can concentrate. His defiance isn't a.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Full on his karma. He's karma.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So when he hasn't had it, the teacher can hands
down recognized because she has to redirect him all the time.
This doctor was saying with ADHD, it's more damaging to
not medicate because it is really challenging for children to
not be able to concentrate, to be really hyperactive in
(11:23):
their mind. Is it can lead to higher divorce rate.
These are this is all scientific studying. Stuff can lead
to drugs, incarceration, all of those are much higher rate
for unmedicated ADHD people, which is fascinating to me.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, it makes so much sense because it's the impulsiveness,
it's the need for to get the dopamine that might
be food, alcohol, drugs, whatever, higher a chance of having
an eating disorder. It's like all that stuff. And there are.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Other ways, of course, you can go about trying to
help this, but he, this doctor is so all about
natural stuff. This is the guy that pushes saffron for
to help with depression and stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Oh, I know who you're talking, the bold guy, dtr Armand.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So I was so amazed when I heard him say, well,
I watched it because I was like, fucking here we go.
Because I do medicate my children, and it was in
our first line, but it got to the point where
it's like, my children are suffering so much. This is
destroying our family and it is absolute chalk and cheese
between it. But I was saying, how yeah. I was
(12:33):
watching him and I was like, oh, here we go.
What's he going to be saying natural stuff for ADHD?
But it was so reaffirming for me as a parent
who does medicate her kids to go, okay, you're a
doctor who will always go the natural route, but was
saying ADHD medication just can be an absolute game changer
and life changer for.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Children and with kids too, Like when you look back
at your own life, my fears are always around like
wasted potential because it's my thing. I think what could
I have been? What could I have done if I Well,
I guess back then we didn't even know, like it
wasn't even know all the things that we look at now,
(13:14):
especially for girls and women is so different to you know,
it was looked at in this one particular way back then.
But I just think, and then what happens is that
that internal feeling you get that you're not keeping up.
Everything's harder for you than it is if you're downe
it affects your self esteem. Then you don't want to
take chances because you don't want to look stupid, and
then it's this flow on effect. So if you can
(13:36):
manage that while they're young, I mean, oh totally.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, the statistics sens like you can't fight against it.
I also completely understand that everyone is on their own
journey when it comes to their kids, and you know
there are other things that you might be doing, So
please don't take this as a judgment. This is for
my own opinion. But I also when I see other
children struggle and the parents so anti medication, and I
(14:02):
know the difference it made in our family, I'm like,
that fucking poor kid. I will never forget being at
Baxter's football when we were testing ADHD medication for him,
and there were two parents behind me who were talking
about ADHD and how their kids have ADHD, and one
of them said, do you medicate your kids? She's like no,
I will never and the other lady's like you beauty,
(14:24):
and they high fived behind me. I never felt more
judged like a shitter parent and just angry. I was like,
that's your shit that you're putting on your child, and
it's just it was just so icky. I was also
talking to a friend yesterday who's got neurodivergent kids. And
(14:46):
I was saying, how you know so many people just
think it's horseshit or so many more people getting diagnosed
with autism and ADHD, And I said, it makes sense.
There are so many people in the world that of
course we're going to have different wirings of brains. Yeah,
(15:06):
do you know what I mean. There's no way we're
all going to have the same wiring. And if you're
classed as a typical brain, still your wiring's different. But
if you're neurodivergent, it's different. Again, like no one's completely
the same, but there are there is a big difference
between typical and euro divergent. But I was saying, like
it's more noticeable now because our world is completely not
(15:28):
set up for neurodivergent people. It's just not it's over stimulating.
It's at a pace that is completely ludicrously fast. Where
if we were back in the tribe days, you had
a purpose, it wouldn't have been as recognized. So you're
like hyperactive, impulsive men would have gone out and hunted.
(15:48):
You're more anxious, reserve people would have stayed and cared
for the kids and made the food. It's like it
wouldn't have been as recognizable because you would have had
roles suited you, but there wasn't all that stimulation and
that pace of fuck, got to get here, got to
get here. They've got footy, they've got this, they've got that.
Like it was so different that and over time everything
(16:12):
has got faster and faster that I think it's become
more prevalent that there is neurodiversity.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, definitely. And also like it's just I guess it's
the idea too that oh, it's a superpower, which does
sort of annoy me a bit think because total gas
lighting are there are things that make you brilliant in
some way, but if there's not help there, whether that
(16:38):
is with a psychologist or medication, whatever you're going to do.
If there's not help, you're not you don't have the
skills to be able to live life holy and show
your brilliance in like, you can't tap into that brilliance
because there's a million other things that you have to
do just to survive. Have to pay bills, you have
(17:01):
to open mail, you have to do all that shit
that maybe you struggle with. And if you're not in
a partnership or whatever where you've got a partner who's
supporting you in that way or taking on the load
of the stuff that you can't do. Life really fucking
spins out of control, very totally. And I So what's
hard with it, though, is that life is challenging for everyone.
So a typical person could look at a neurodivergent person
(17:22):
and go, well, my life's fucking hard, Like I don't
find it easy looking after my kids or anything. It's
but it is.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
It's like everything is times fucking a hundred. It's very
hard to explain to a tipping a person the intensity
of your brain, of your sensory overload of everything like that.
Do you know what I mean? Like sometimes I watch
Sam when we're in a crowd, and I'm like, you're
not even flinching at this, or I'm gritting my teeth
(17:50):
through it, Like there is so much of my life
I've gritted my teeth through it, and I just feel
like other people have done that as well. But then
I realized with my diagnosis, I'm like, oh, don't do that.
That's a lot harder for me than it is for
somebody who isn't you know, divergent, but what.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
A perfect pairing. Oh, it can be when when you
have people come together, it's like, you know, when they
talk about outsourcing shit that you don't want to do
or whatever. It's sort of like that, like in partnerships,
in friendships, in everything, when people come together and they're
all bringing their own specialty, Like, how magical that is
(18:29):
as well? You know, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Anyway, let's just go back to the Kardashians because we
cannot deny Chris Janna's face.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I feel so conflicted about this. I was talking to
my husband about it before, like, there is no denying.
She looks fucking incredible.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
She looks phenomenal face transplant face trans It just looks
like she's had Kim's face transplanted onto her face, Like
her necks is smooth, anything, It's like she's had a
whole body. It's like a whole body face left amazing.
This is where I feel conflicted, because one side of
(19:10):
me is like, should we even be talking about it.
It's her face, it's her body. Let her do what
she wants if it makes her feel better good. But
the other side of me is like, like, I'm going
to be forty six in a couple of weeks, and like,
I don't even look at myself and think I look
bad for my age. I think I look my age right.
(19:30):
But I see that, and I feel the pressure like
our hands down. Yeah, and young people.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
When they see that, whether it's girls or boys or whatever,
it's like, then their expectation becomes, Oh, that's what beauty wants. Yeah,
that's what I want to like, that's what I want
to look for in a woman. I want a woman
who looks like Kim or Chris or whatever. It's not
fucking reality. And then what's gonna happen. We're all going
to be getting face transplants.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Like it is, isn't it? Because I can't have but
and this is the conditioning of us. I can't help
but look at her and think she looks better, and
she looks good, like that's like Kylie Jennet too, like
chalk and cheese between her face lift and not. That's
why it's so fucked because you get confused yourself where
(20:18):
you go. She looks amazing, but then it's like there's
nothing natural about her, Like that's so unachievable unless you
have a bucket load of work done it's like every
second celebrity in Australia as well has had the ponytail
face lift. Yeah, because if your eyebrows are really far
from your eyes, that's not natural.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Like I can't.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yes, I can spot it from a mile away now
where like the tip of the end of the eyebrow
goes up and the face like the eye I can
see there's a pulling. There's a pulling and the eyebrows
really far from the eye. Like I'm looking into our
camera now and both of our eyebrows are not that
far from our eyes.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But then I because they hood as you get on my.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Eyes though so much I can not because so many
people everyone I look at is so fucking done. I
can't help but go, oh my god, my eyelids, Like
you can't see any of my eyelid when my eyes
are open now, and my eyes feel like I'm drooping.
So in the back of my mind, I'm like, one day,
will I do that I lid cut and will I
(21:19):
do a pony towel, Like I'm so scared of having
work done. But at the same time, because that is
our standard of beauty now, I do look at my
face and go maybe I should do that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I know, and you're caught between. If it makes me
feel better about myself, what's the problem. But then the
other side is like I want to scream at everyone stops.
You're making us all feel shit. We're looking at ourselves differently,
and like my husband would say to me, but you're
letting that happen. You're letting. But I'm like, when you
are looking at yourself in a camera constantly, right, it's
(21:55):
so hard. And I've edited all this footage, right, so
I'm looking at my face all the time, and I'm
looking and going, fuck that line there, Fuck, I've aged.
Oh my god, look at this, look at that. I
shouldn't care because like I'm a nobody, no one gives
a FA's not true.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But it is just comparison. It's us comparing to things
that are just unrealistic because if you look at most
you know, some people, but I would say minority find
really aging natural beauty great because you know what I mean,
like it just because there are so many people who
are getting so much work done. When you spot a
(22:33):
natural face, you notice it almost more than when somebody
has had work done, because that's becoming more than norm.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And It's also like this thing of when people talk
about older women are attractive or younger guys like older women.
But part of me is like, yeah, but older women now,
you say women who are forty and fifty look like
they're thirty. Yeah, yeah, it's not realistic. You look at
j Lo and it's like, she doesn't look fifty.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Four way, and so then we go, oh, I want
to look as good as her. Like It's just it's
a no win situation because you're right. You go, let
them do what they want and if they want to
do that, and then you know, and then we go,
oh my god, they do look fantastic. And then on
the other hand, I'm like, fuck you, you're fucking us
all up.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I know, but that surgeon, great work, great work. All right,
we're out of here. Thanks for listening.
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Yes, it is Show and Tell time. It is the
time of.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The week you listen to us talk. Hi, how's it going?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hi, it's Mail, It's Monty. Thanks for listening into our podcast.
If you're new to the podcast, which I think there
might be a few newies, which is exciting. Welcome and
also to our longtime listeners, thank you for listening in
as per usual. But Mail, let's kick off the pod
with your random fat of the week.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh my god. Okay, so I saw this on a
clip on Instagram from a podcast called Wine About It.
One of the girls was talking about this thing called
a decidual cast. Have you ever heard of this ever?
So what it is. It's very rare, but it happens.
You know, a period is when you shed the line
(01:00):
of your uterus. Yeah, right, And it happens over the
course of a few days to a week or whatever.
This is when the whole uterine lining sheds at once.
Oh so it's just a one dayer. It's it's but
it comes out literally like the shape of your uterus.
The whole lining sheds in one piece. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
That's fantastic, like a hectic qlot like if you're up
for it, if you dare google it.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I did. It literally looks like a tongue, A tongue, yes,
sort of like the shape of the uterus is almost
like that, sort of I guess, triangle shape upside down,
triangles out like that. Never ever knew about it either.
I would love that.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
How brilliant to just get it over in one day, done,
But you would have to just make sure you're home
at that time. It would be brilliant if you knew. Okay,
at two o'clock on this date, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
To hop in the shower. Yeah, hopping the shower, blob out. Oh,
maybe what I did?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Feel like, I feel almost nice. It feel like you're
after birth, like you know, once you've given birth and
then your after birth comes out.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I didn't like that bit. Well, it hurt because you
were still.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Having contractions, but I liked the feeling of it, like
sliding out like a gush of meat. Hey, so last
week I did the Imperfect podcast, Yes You did, one
of my favorite podcasts with Ryan Shelton Hugh and Josh
Van Kyle and Berg where they interview just I've mentioned
it a million times and pointed people to the podcast
(02:32):
a heap of times. But where they just talked to
often experts or just people about their life. So I
went on, oh my god, after I did it, I
have never First of all, I was so nervous doing it.
I've never had nerves like that in my whole life.
Like Ryan's one of my great mates. I couldn't even
pick up my glass of water on the table because
(02:54):
my hands were shaking so much, so I had to
have my hands under the desk.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Do you know what I think it is. I think
it's because you do TV and stuff and you're fine
with that. I think it's you were going in knowing
you were going to be vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Totally. I felt so vulnerable. And also, like on here,
I talk about myself a lot, but in my job
I'm interviewing other people, so it's never just talking about myself.
When for an hour and a half we covered everything
from my mum dying me telling my little boy about it,
to my chronic illnesses to losing your job when I
(03:28):
fell pregnant, Like, we covered.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Everything, and they ask just the right questions, just.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
The right questions. Anyway, the feedback I got was so
out of this world. I said to Sam, I get
how celebrities feel when they're just bombarded with the most
epic comments that you would get delusional.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I said to him, I said, I've got to be
prepared because they just banged out the social clips over
like four days. I said, I've got to be prepared
when these comments finish, because I was so beautiful, like
so many people saying how much they related, saying how
brave I was, how amazing I was. And I said
to Sam, this is addictive reading these comments. And I said,
(04:14):
imagine you were like a maths contestant where you're as
big as anything for the duration of the show, and
then it all fucking stops. Like I get how it
can mess.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
With your head. Well imagine also it going the opposite way,
the cat sing and people saying, oh oh my god, Monty,
like what that's so ship?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Oh fuck you strain whatever, images like that. Oh So,
because you do. I read them and they made me
feel amazing. There wasn't one negative comment. It was such
a beautiful space to share. But you're right, if they
were negative comments, it would have sent me into a hole.
Because human nature is you can't help but read things
about you like you just can't. So I was on
(05:00):
Instagram like an absolute fucking demon, just watching the numbers
go up, watching the comments come in, and I was like,
this is so beautiful, but I have to also have
a grip on the fact that everyone writes that and
then they move on where I'm like, oh, I'm excellent.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
No, But it's also just I think it probably would
have made you feel good too, because it's all that
feeling of being less alone.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
That's feeling Haunds down to a lot it is. I
know that it sounds cheesy, but sharing what I did
and feeling very vulnerable and I spoke very openly about
my children and their neurodivergency, which connected hugely with so
many people. It's a very isolating thing, and so to
have an instant connection, even if it's just a message
(05:49):
going I totally relate. I'm going through this as well.
Like one of the people in the comments wrote, I
feel like I've found my people in this comment section,
and that got me because I was like, so many
of us are doing things like even people writing about
the grief of how lonely it is and isolating it is,
and just knowing that you're not alone in those things
(06:11):
can be really comforting.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, because it's easy to forget that other people are
going through it when you're in it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And yeah, when you're often just surviving, you're like everyone
else around me is fucking thriving. Where this was like, Oh,
everyone's got their shit, No one's thriving, No one's thriving,
no one anyway. Going from helping people to the Kardashians.
So I listened to Chloe Kardashian's got a new podcast
(06:38):
and she had Courtney on last week. Late last week.
Courtney does attachment parenting, where if you do that, who
are to you? Like, kudos to you, that's amazing. I
do detachment parenting where it's like you're out of the womb,
You're on your fucking own.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Now. No you don't, God, you'd make yourself out to
be an No, I don't, but I very much.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I don't know. I don't have a huge amount of patients.
So just sitting with the kids or playing with the
kids last about ten minutes where I'm like, Okay, I'm done.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
She her little boy.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Naps for three hours a day, and she just sits
in the chair and nurses him for his whole n
app every day.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
That is a level of privilege.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Oh my god. The whole time she's talking, I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
This is so privileged.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Everything they're talking about was, of course naturally so unbelievably privileged.
But to be able to sit there because of course
she's she's got people cleaning her house and making her dinner.
So to sit there with your baby for three hours,
hands down privilege. But how fucking boring.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I'm sure in that time she's maybe got the baby
like this, and maybe she's checking emails, and oh she is.
I was gonna say, you can't just be sitting there.
She's got like.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
A frequency blanket on him. She's got something on her
phone to science to stop the radiation of her phone
going to him. She's really fucking right. And also she
was saying how she goes against the grain with a
lot of parenting stuff. She's like, I will nurse my
kids when they have a fever. I won't give them
tile andol or anything. I'm like, that's fucking mean, Like
if the kid's in pain, you've got to give the
(08:19):
kid pan at all.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's like, I don't want to sound defensive when I
say this, it's just not understanding or relating to, for example,
people who were Jehovah's witnesses who don't believe in sort
of blood transfusions and stuff. So if their loved one
is in a car accident, for example, and the doctors
say they need a blood transfusion, the idea is God
(08:41):
is going to take care of them.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yes, right, I think same as scientologists. Remember there was
something Tom Cruise didn't approve of. Was it Kirsty Ally
or somebody had to have a blood transfusion or something,
and it.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Was like, I don't know, but the concept of that
I don't get. So like, when your kid's in pain,
no one wants to just smash their kid with pantol
and whatever, but I mean you also don't want your
kid to suffer either.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Here's the thing. Medication is a really interesting topic when
it comes to your kids. And I just find it
really challenging when people go against Western medication that can
help you and hugely help you. And I get it's
(09:32):
not the first line of contact, especially for your children,
but there are so many kids out there with such
hectic anxiety, such hectic ADHD and the parents not coming
to terms with medicating their kids. And who is suffering
is the children, and it really upsets me.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
There are so many things about that, like that is
also just a form of shaming. Yeah, like almost translating.
You know, we don't want to do that because and
you know, everyone has their own right to what they think.
Is that based down the thing I think is really
an issue when a parent is in denial but there's something,
(10:17):
you know that needs to be managed in their child,
and then the child is you know, acting out in
the classroom and stuff, and it affects everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yes, there was a really interesting clip keeping on the Kardashians.
The Kardashians stock he treats the Kardashians. It's talking about ADHD,
which I spoke about on the imperfects that I have.
I haven't found medication that works properly for me. My
middle child is like chalk and cheese outside of his
(10:46):
when I can tell in the morning when his medication
kicks in because it complex doesn't alter his personality in
any which way, but he can concentrate. His defiance isn't a.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Full on his karma. He's karma.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
So when he hasn't had it, the teacher can hands
down recognized because she has to redirect him all the time.
This doctor was saying with ADHD, it's more damaging to
not medicate because it is really challenging for children to
not be able to concentrate, to be really hyperactive in
(11:23):
their mind. Is it can lead to higher divorce rate.
These are this is all scientific studying. Stuff can lead
to drugs, incarceration, all of those are much higher rate
for unmedicated ADHD people, which is fascinating to me.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, it makes so much sense because it's the impulsiveness,
it's the need for to get the dopamine that might
be food, alcohol, drugs, whatever, higher a chance of having
an eating disorder. It's like all that stuff. And there are.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Other ways, of course, you can go about trying to
help this, but he, this doctor is so all about
natural stuff. This is the guy that pushes saffron for
to help with depression and stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Oh, I know who you're talking, the bold guy, dtr Armand.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So I was so amazed when I heard him say, well,
I watched it because I was like, fucking here we go.
Because I do medicate my children, and it was in
our first line, but it got to the point where
it's like, my children are suffering so much. This is
destroying our family and it is absolute chalk and cheese
between it. But I was saying, how yeah. I was
(12:33):
watching him and I was like, oh, here we go.
What's he going to be saying natural stuff for ADHD?
But it was so reaffirming for me as a parent
who does medicate her kids to go, okay, you're a
doctor who will always go the natural route, but was
saying ADHD medication just can be an absolute game changer
and life changer for.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Children and with kids too, Like when you look back
at your own life, my fears are always around like
wasted potential because it's my thing. I think what could
I have been? What could I have done if I Well,
I guess back then we didn't even know, like it
wasn't even know all the things that we look at now,
(13:14):
especially for girls and women is so different to you know,
it was looked at in this one particular way back then.
But I just think, and then what happens is that
that internal feeling you get that you're not keeping up.
Everything's harder for you than it is if you're downe
it affects your self esteem. Then you don't want to
take chances because you don't want to look stupid, and
then it's this flow on effect. So if you can
(13:36):
manage that while they're young, I mean, oh totally.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, the statistics sens like you can't fight against it.
I also completely understand that everyone is on their own
journey when it comes to their kids, and you know
there are other things that you might be doing, So
please don't take this as a judgment. This is for
my own opinion. But I also when I see other
children struggle and the parents so anti medication, and I
(14:02):
know the difference it made in our family, I'm like,
that fucking poor kid. I will never forget being at
Baxter's football when we were testing ADHD medication for him,
and there were two parents behind me who were talking
about ADHD and how their kids have ADHD, and one
of them said, do you medicate your kids? She's like no,
I will never and the other lady's like you beauty,
(14:24):
and they high fived behind me. I never felt more
judged like a shitter parent and just angry. I was like,
that's your shit that you're putting on your child, and
it's just it was just so icky. I was also
talking to a friend yesterday who's got neurodivergent kids. And
(14:46):
I was saying, how you know so many people just
think it's horseshit or so many more people getting diagnosed
with autism and ADHD, And I said, it makes sense.
There are so many people in the world that of
course we're going to have different wirings of brains. Yeah,
(15:06):
do you know what I mean. There's no way we're
all going to have the same wiring. And if you're
classed as a typical brain, still your wiring's different. But
if you're neurodivergent, it's different. Again, like no one's completely
the same, but there are there is a big difference
between typical and euro divergent. But I was saying, like
it's more noticeable now because our world is completely not
(15:28):
set up for neurodivergent people. It's just not it's over stimulating.
It's at a pace that is completely ludicrously fast. Where
if we were back in the tribe days, you had
a purpose, it wouldn't have been as recognized. So you're
like hyperactive, impulsive men would have gone out and hunted.
(15:48):
You're more anxious, reserve people would have stayed and cared
for the kids and made the food. It's like it
wouldn't have been as recognizable because you would have had
roles suited you, but there wasn't all that stimulation and
that pace of fuck, got to get here, got to
get here. They've got footy, they've got this, they've got that.
Like it was so different that and over time everything
(16:12):
has got faster and faster that I think it's become
more prevalent that there is neurodiversity.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, definitely. And also like it's just I guess it's
the idea too that oh, it's a superpower, which does
sort of annoy me a bit think because total gas
lighting are there are things that make you brilliant in
some way, but if there's not help there, whether that
(16:38):
is with a psychologist or medication, whatever you're going to do.
If there's not help, you're not you don't have the
skills to be able to live life holy and show
your brilliance in like, you can't tap into that brilliance
because there's a million other things that you have to
do just to survive. Have to pay bills, you have
(17:01):
to open mail, you have to do all that shit
that maybe you struggle with. And if you're not in
a partnership or whatever where you've got a partner who's
supporting you in that way or taking on the load
of the stuff that you can't do. Life really fucking
spins out of control, very totally. And I So what's
hard with it, though, is that life is challenging for everyone.
So a typical person could look at a neurodivergent person
(17:22):
and go, well, my life's fucking hard, Like I don't
find it easy looking after my kids or anything. It's
but it is.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
It's like everything is times fucking a hundred. It's very
hard to explain to a tipping a person the intensity
of your brain, of your sensory overload of everything like that.
Do you know what I mean? Like sometimes I watch
Sam when we're in a crowd, and I'm like, you're
not even flinching at this, or I'm gritting my teeth
(17:50):
through it, Like there is so much of my life
I've gritted my teeth through it, and I just feel
like other people have done that as well. But then
I realized with my diagnosis, I'm like, oh, don't do that.
That's a lot harder for me than it is for
somebody who isn't you know, divergent, but what.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
A perfect pairing. Oh, it can be when when you
have people come together, it's like, you know, when they
talk about outsourcing shit that you don't want to do
or whatever. It's sort of like that, like in partnerships,
in friendships, in everything, when people come together and they're
all bringing their own specialty, Like, how magical that is
(18:29):
as well? You know, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Anyway, let's just go back to the Kardashians because we
cannot deny Chris Janna's face.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I feel so conflicted about this. I was talking to
my husband about it before, like, there is no denying.
She looks fucking incredible.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
She looks phenomenal face transplant face trans It just looks
like she's had Kim's face transplanted onto her face, Like
her necks is smooth, anything, It's like she's had a
whole body. It's like a whole body face left amazing.
This is where I feel conflicted, because one side of
(19:10):
me is like, should we even be talking about it.
It's her face, it's her body. Let her do what
she wants if it makes her feel better good. But
the other side of me is like, like, I'm going
to be forty six in a couple of weeks, and like,
I don't even look at myself and think I look
bad for my age. I think I look my age right.
(19:30):
But I see that, and I feel the pressure like
our hands down. Yeah, and young people.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
When they see that, whether it's girls or boys or whatever,
it's like, then their expectation becomes, Oh, that's what beauty wants. Yeah,
that's what I want to like, that's what I want
to look for in a woman. I want a woman
who looks like Kim or Chris or whatever. It's not
fucking reality. And then what's gonna happen. We're all going
to be getting face transplants.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Like it is, isn't it? Because I can't have but
and this is the conditioning of us. I can't help
but look at her and think she looks better, and
she looks good, like that's like Kylie Jennet too, like
chalk and cheese between her face lift and not. That's
why it's so fucked because you get confused yourself where
(20:18):
you go. She looks amazing, but then it's like there's
nothing natural about her, Like that's so unachievable unless you
have a bucket load of work done it's like every
second celebrity in Australia as well has had the ponytail
face lift. Yeah, because if your eyebrows are really far
from your eyes, that's not natural.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Like I can't.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yes, I can spot it from a mile away now
where like the tip of the end of the eyebrow
goes up and the face like the eye I can
see there's a pulling. There's a pulling and the eyebrows
really far from the eye. Like I'm looking into our
camera now and both of our eyebrows are not that
far from our eyes.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But then I because they hood as you get on my.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Eyes though so much I can not because so many
people everyone I look at is so fucking done. I
can't help but go, oh my god, my eyelids, Like
you can't see any of my eyelid when my eyes
are open now, and my eyes feel like I'm drooping.
So in the back of my mind, I'm like, one day,
will I do that I lid cut and will I
(21:19):
do a pony towel, Like I'm so scared of having
work done. But at the same time, because that is
our standard of beauty now, I do look at my
face and go maybe I should do that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I know, and you're caught between. If it makes me
feel better about myself, what's the problem. But then the
other side is like I want to scream at everyone stops.
You're making us all feel shit. We're looking at ourselves differently,
and like my husband would say to me, but you're
letting that happen. You're letting. But I'm like, when you
are looking at yourself in a camera constantly, right, it's
(21:55):
so hard. And I've edited all this footage, right, so
I'm looking at my face all the time, and I'm
looking and going, fuck that line there, Fuck, I've aged.
Oh my god, look at this, look at that. I
shouldn't care because like I'm a nobody, no one gives
a FA's not true.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But it is just comparison. It's us comparing to things
that are just unrealistic because if you look at most
you know, some people, but I would say minority find
really aging natural beauty great because you know what I mean,
like it just because there are so many people who
are getting so much work done. When you spot a
(22:33):
natural face, you notice it almost more than when somebody
has had work done, because that's becoming more than norm.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
And It's also like this thing of when people talk
about older women are attractive or younger guys like older women.
But part of me is like, yeah, but older women now,
you say women who are forty and fifty look like
they're thirty. Yeah, yeah, it's not realistic. You look at
j Lo and it's like, she doesn't look fifty.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Four way, and so then we go, oh, I want
to look as good as her. Like It's just it's
a no win situation because you're right. You go, let
them do what they want and if they want to
do that, and then you know, and then we go,
oh my god, they do look fantastic. And then on
the other hand, I'm like, fuck you, you're fucking us
all up.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I know, but that surgeon, great work, great work. All right,
we're out of here. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
If you want to give us a rating or a comment,
it's so appreciated.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That's such great thing you can do for us.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
If you've got a couple of minutes of your time,
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