November 5, 2025 • 25 mins
This week, Dr Monty tells us about a treatment she’s about to try in the hopes of easing her anxiety, depression and migraines, and Dr Mel thinks she’s uncovered a potential nervous system disruptor lurking in most of our homes. There’s also Mel’s fact, a great take on anxiety from Monty’s BFF Chris Hemsworth, and the stupid products no one needs in their life. Enjoy!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's show and Tell time to time a day, you listen,
you listen in your car, or you put your ear
buds in and you go, oh, there they are.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
That was very good to pods often.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I used air pods all the time. Same, I'd be
lost without my air pods me too. And my thing
is that as soon as I take them out, I
have to put them straight back in their case, otherwise
I get nervous, get lost. And then Odie finds it
funny sometimes to take them out because it's a pest.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, yeah, that's annoying. Take them out sometimes you oh,
they'll be waxy.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
So disgusting, it's so crooked. Minus still relatively new, so
they're in good nick. But yeah, they do start to
get so crusty. I wear earbuds every night to sleep,
whatever they're called. Yeah, Are they.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Like like the foam ones the fri like you wear
at the Grand Prix.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, totally. I wear those every night. And because I
put fake tan on quite a lot. Yeah, at the
ends of them are often brown and I'm like, that
looks so fun so nasty. It just looks like my
ears are fucking hectically full of wax. But it's fake
tan all over them.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
There's also something about when it's your own dirt, you
can deal with it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh, it's just there.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Dirty.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Nah. If I saw Sam's like that, I'd be like,
are you joking? It's so crooked? So earlier this week,
I hold on my fact. Oh you fat?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Sorry God, I cut the fact segment.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
No, I love the fact segment, but we forget about
it all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh well, okay, this is sad but interesting. Did you
know that you know that plane crash that Richie Vellen's
beg Bopper and Buddy Holly died in. Yes, right, in
like nineteen fifty nine. It was Buddy Holy's wife was
pregnant at the time. She reportedly learned of his death
(02:04):
on the TV. She was just at home and they
reported the plane crash and who had died in that
plane crash? And she miscarried?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Oh she miscarried. Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
As a result of that, authorities and broadcasters realized, actually, hey,
when someone dies, we should actually contact the family.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
First, you think.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So that became like a turning point that led to
that policy coming into place. So before the death of
someone's reported, think, it's mandatory that you let the family
know first.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yes, and from that plane crash. Yes, Oh there you go.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Thanks for starting off with the starting off with the
real positive, with a real fun one.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
No, that's interesting. It's so because you don't think of
how basic things like that come into play, do you
know what I mean? Like you just would think that's
a given that they would come and tell you. But
obviously it didn't used to be, do you think so?
You'd think so? Anyway, So I went and had or
spoke to a psychiatrist who does TMS. Right, So TMS
(03:07):
is an acronym for transcranial magnetic stimulation. So here's what
it means. What it is a non invasive procedure that
uses magnetic pulses to stimulate nerve cells in the brain,
most commonly to treat depression that has not responded to
other treatments. So it's like this thing that they put
(03:28):
on your head, and the sessions last between ten to
thirty minutes. You have to have thirty five sessions, so
Monday to Friday for six weeks. But when I was
in hospital, my new rolet for I had to go
to hospital for a week the other week because my
migraines were so out of control. My neurologist said, how
about you give TMS a try because there's promising signs
(03:50):
for migraine as well. So I'm like, okay, let's just
do it all. So I spoke to the psychiatrist yesterday
and it's all covered under Medicare, Like, it's not an
airy fairy treatment. It's a proper treatment for the depression
and anxiety which I do have as well as now
(04:11):
they're showing that can help to reduce the frequency and
intensity of migraines. Doesn't work for everyone. I've had a
friend who's done TMS for depression and he said he
definitely notices has noticed a difference. But like a third
of people it works a little bit. For a third
of people it works really well for and a third
(04:32):
of people it doesn't work for it all. So I
don't like it.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Because it automatically puts you in a place of.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I could fall in that yeah, And of course my
mind goes to, of course it'll be the one that doesn't.
You know, it doesn't work for But I'm like, it's
such a huge commitment because it's every day, like every
single day, you've got a hell sorry for six weeks
thirty five sessions and then you can go back and
have twenty more. I just but sometimes they can do
(05:02):
it in two days, sorry, in two times a day,
and I'm like, oh, I want to do that to
get it over and done within three weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I guess it is annoying because he's a big commitment,
but also the bigger commitment in the long run is
having to make stuff imagine it works. Which let's say
it's going to work. It's going to work, Let's put
it out there, it's going to work. Like how much
life you're going.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
To get back? I know. I saw a lady because
I've just researched it so much on Instagram who had
really bad depression, was like hers was so debilitating that
she said, it's this TMS has just been wonderful for me.
But I just don't know what to do now, Like
I don't know how like these feelings are so new
(05:49):
and my life is so different now, I don't almost
know how to handle it. I just am I I've
got to throw everything at this for my migraines yet,
but also I know my anxiety and depression feeding, you know,
so even if that side of it is lightened a bit,
I think you will have a ripple on effect as well.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I saw a really interesting interview. This young girl was
interviewing Chris Hemsworth, right, and he gave just this, I mean,
it's not rocket science, but he gave this really interesting
take that I think his therapist had told him about anxiety,
and he was saying how they did. Apparently the therapist
(06:32):
told him that they did a study with like people
who were in the spotlight. So let's say like musicians,
high performing athletes, whatever. Some identified the feeling of excitement
before they performed or whatever, and the other group identified
it as anxiety.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right, And they hooked them up to machines and monitored
their bodily responses, and the responses were exactly the same
in their bodies. It's just one.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Handple brain and interprets it as excited and as anxious.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And how powerful your perception of it is.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
It's just it's so true, isn't it. I'm just constantly
blown away by and examples like that are so real,
and I'm doing I've told malive jumped in really researching
this body mind connection and getting right into that because
for example, yeah, i feel like I'm stuck in this
(07:29):
pain fear cycle where for so long my body's gone
into protection and it kind of comes out in migraines.
And so our brains are plastic. We can rewire them.
But it's saying it like it gives examples of like
you know, when people lose a limb and then they
get phantom limb, phantom pains, the phantom pains, which is
(07:50):
the brain the pain signal in the brain, Like the
pain is very real, but it's the brain sending off
an alarm signal of pain even though the physical limbs
not there. So there's I'm just learning. There's so many
illnesses that doctors and stuff go there's nothing we can
do for that. That's what you've got. But if there's
no structural damage, it's usually a mind body connection where
(08:14):
your brain is shooting off this pain signal and it's
trying to keep you safe even though it comes out
as pain. It's fascinating and Chris Hemsworth did a documentary
on it called Limitless and it's pain is the He's
done quite a few episodes, but one of them.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Is he might be what it was for because that
sounds familiar, right, see what it was for?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah? And he yeah, because he has chronic back pain
and so he and you know, he admitted in it
his anxiety is quite bad. He feels like he can't
play with his kids. He gets nervous before he takes
on roles because the pain is so intense. And so
this man who had lost both of his legs was
(09:00):
teaching him through pain and the power of how we
can rewire our brain to know that it's we're safe
and we don't need to fire off that pain signal.
Like there's so much neuroscience behind it. It's quite fascinating
and like I've got nothing to lose, so I'm delving
deep into it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Good on you, and you know it's it's yeah, it's
it's not bullshit.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
It's not because I'm like, I need science, But a
lot of doctors don't because they specialize just in their area.
They don't go, oh, you should deep dive into the
fact that you're probably stuck in a bit of a
trauma pain for your cycle, Like it's not And the
people I'm learning off are doctors who have now gone
into this area. So I'm like, I just don't want
(09:42):
some hippie telling me or this shit. I need science.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, like, you know, stick some sage up your ars
and yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You've spin around and stick this in your fucking clacker.
No thanks.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, Well, speaking of this, I called you the other day. Yeah,
and I panicked if I know you never call. You
answered the phone Hello. Yeah, like, oh my god, that hesitant,
surprised and also a bit scared.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, totally yeah, because it was around school pickup, so
the time was ridiculous to call.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah. Well, it's actually, I thought, brilliant because you assume that.
I assumed you'd be in the car picking up the kids,
so I'm like, I should be driving anyway. So what
I had to tell you would you already know? But
I'll tell our listeners. So for a while, I don't.
I actually don't know if I've mentioned it. I probably have,
but when I say a while, probably the last year
(10:39):
or two, I've had this very strange I don't know
how to explain it, almost like I feel like this.
I feel like I'm vibrating almost like this behind my neck,
my jaw, my shoulders, and then it gets into my ears.
It's like this, I feel this rattling all the time,
(11:02):
and I tense up and then it's a headache. And
then it's it's not a migraine, but it's a headache.
It's this just feeling something is not right, and I
feel like I'm almost sore from the tension. Right. Yeah, anyway,
and I was looking up stuff. A lot of stuff
was pointing to central nervous system issues or whatever. And
(11:22):
I do take stimulant medication for my ADHD, so I thought,
maybe that's what it is. But I have been taking
it for a long time and it's only sort of
just read its head. And the funny thing is that
when I'm upstairs and with everyone, I almost don't even
realize it's there. And I was thinking to myself, I
wonder if it's because I'm distracted, I'm engaging, that I'm
(11:44):
not focusing on it. But I do spend about ninety
percent of my time in the apartment downstairs. It's not
an apartment, but like where I work. And then I
was like, it's every time I sit down here, every
time I open my laptop, and I'm like, maybe it's
a work association thing. I feel stressed about the amount
of stuff I've going to do. But then I think
it was I was thinking about, you know how Stace
(12:07):
always says that when she goes into the shops like
a target or whatever, she feels like she has to shit.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yes, like the fluoro lights make her need to sho
show lights right, Yes, anyway, I feel like I might
have just blown something wide open.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I started looking into lights, right, apparently fluorescent and LED lights. Now,
we probably in the last two years had our lights
changed over to all the down lights and stuff to
LED lights because we had the old halogen ones, which
are quite unsafe because this is an older house, right,
we had them changed over to LED's. But in the
(12:43):
apartment there's still LEDs, but the fitting is different, so
there's different to the ones that we've got upstairs. So
here's what I found. Fluorescent and LED lights amids. They're
called subliminal flickers. So it's this constant flickering that you
might not even perceive. You might not even see the
fl but your brain registers them. Right now, some of
(13:05):
the things that it causes are events with your nervous system,
such as ticks, seizures, or migrains. It can completely disrupt
your circadium rhythm. You've got the lights on during the day.
I don't even remember the last time I was asleep
before three am. This is where I'm at. I swear
(13:26):
this is where I'm at my atially I think it
is like a bad habit, but I just I can't
switch off. But I'm under those lights all day and night.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And are you working until close to them? Or I'm
working till then?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I'm working because I can't sleep. In fairness, my brain
switched on looking at my computer all the time. It
also is associated with mental fatigue, chronic fatigue, moodiness, negative emotions. Right,
but the thing is in the apartment. I can see
the flicker that intense Oh my god. So I decided
(14:03):
I'm not putting those lights on anymore. This is day
four or five?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, no, day four, because you called me a couple
of days ago, and I'm like, well, let's see how
it's going when you when we record.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I haven't had that feeling since.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
You're joking, because I saw a bit of a coincidence
that you'd had to because you called me and he said,
I have had two days of feeling completely different. So
this is four days now and you've got a damp on,
not the led lights.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I am slightly scared that I'm jinxing myself because every
time I say something, the opposite happens. So you know,
like hold off, next time we record, I'll give you
an update.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, yes, that is imagine because you're like, that could
be my thing too, But I don't know, I don't
think it. I don't think it is. To be honest,
I have the lights dim a lot. I'm wonder if
dimmer switches that was another thing. Dimmer switches are a
huge source of the flickering.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
But you can't, like I can't just real so yeah,
and to get you can buy low flicker ones, but
they're quite specialized. It's not like you just go to
the shop and buy them, like you have to get
through it. I don't know. But anyway, even just to
experiment with it a little bit. Yeah, and see I.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Should Yeah, I mean everything's worth a tribe. But imagine
it was something as simple as that, like just changing
my lights over because it has also got all the money. Yeah,
that's what I'm like. Yeah, anyway, the imagine it was that.
And also because it's got worse since I've moved to
this house, I've had it changed from mold and everything
(15:37):
like that, and there's nothing like that. So I'm like
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
But anyway, taking a little bit negative, H well, I'm
not negative, just stupid things that are annoying me at
the moment. But this is like products I've recently seen
that they're trying to sell to us that have pissed
me off. And it's sort of kicked off with the
Kim Kardashian merve G string.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yes, that's right. So it's a G string with all
bush on it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It's just got like pubes luck on the front of it.
And her cell is like, oh and we've got you know, like, however,
many different colors and styles curly.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Why would you want that? I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I don't get it either, But they fucking sold out
almost immediately seventy au.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Oh my god. So the skin color as well.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
They are a tiny G string, I mean, like, you know,
the G string that's it's like a you know, a
bit of elastic. Let's say that's sort of G string.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So maybe girls who have had laser surgery and there's
nothing there are like, oh shit, the bushes back.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I mean, well, the thing is right, Like it's the
stupidity of people just buying shit like that because Kim
Kardashian's peddling it, so I want it, yeah, totally like
and also there are options, right if you haven't had laser,
grow your pubes back. If you have had laser, go
(17:06):
and buy a G string next time you go to
the hairdresser, get them to you know, save you get
glues in a stick, some glue on it, and then
you've got American Like, So, why do you want?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Are pubes back?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Apparently they are making a big comeback. Really, I'm I
understand that pubes serve a purpose.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
What is the purpose to keep dust and stuff for
ray for?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I guess it's like a filter, like nose hair, the
hair that's sort of like deep in our ears filters
dust and bacteria and shit like that. Okay, I don't
want to deal with pubes. I just and it's probably
there's nothing dirty about a vagina, but the thought of
it feels cleaner. I don't know, it just feels yeah. Yeah,
(17:53):
I mean, each to their own. But yeah, apparently it's
making come back.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah right, which is great for younger girls because then
they're like, this is normal. It's just not another thing
to maintain. But yeah, that's interesting that it's back. I
mean I don't tend to follow any trended minds, just
what I can be bothered doing at that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
The idea of no maintenance is appealing. Yeah, totally, Like
how big can it get?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, can you grow it?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
How far can I understick out? Like a full literal
bush underneath them? So what are the products?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Oh my god? Okay, so there's that now, Tyra Banks.
Do you know she's opened an ice cream shop in Sydney. Yeah,
it's called Smies and Dream. She, you know, trademarked that
term from America's Next Top Model Smies like smiling with
your eyes. It was like a.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Like it's right anyway. So as part of this Smise
and Dream, there's a product in this ice cream store
called hot ice cream. And I'm like, hot ice cream.
She's like, it's not hot chocolate, it's not hot milk,
it's hot ice cream.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I feel like I'm going crazy. It's like I don't sleep.
These ideas just keep coming in my head. And then
this one, this one came to me. Hot ice cream,
silky ice cream that you can drink And no, I'm
not talking about a latte. I'm not talking about hot
chocolate that has flavors. I'm talking about hot ice cream,
an vation that took me over a year to get right.
(19:29):
You're gonna be able to taste it.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It's fucking melted ice cream that's warmed up. That's it.
It's a drink.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But she's so gross.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
To re labeling it hot ice cream.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You know what it is. It's a warm, thick shake.
That's disgusting to me. That's like, it's not meant to
be warm. That's odd, it's odd happening. Like the word
ice is probably the important thing here. I'm not into
warm milky beverages. See you did you like a cup
of coffee that's a warm, milky beverage. I love a
(20:02):
cup of tea that's a warm, milky beverage.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, but I have like a drop of milk in it.
It's not like I'm having a glass of milk hot.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
My sister drinks milk. Like basically we're out of the
Carleton Master. The weirdest thing to see, like just somebody
grown up drinking a glass of milk to me is
so odd.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
When Mark drinks milk, I'm like, that's turning me off.
I'm sorry, yeah, but fair enough that you're drinking a
glass of milk. Isn't that horrible? It's so odd? What's
wrong with me? What is fucking wrong with me?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Although, remember there used to be that milk aud where
that hot shirtless guy got out and drank, got up
and opened the fridge and drank out of it, and
it was so hot that my friend Abby and I,
when we were single for one hundred and four years,
used to go. I just can't wait to get a
boyfriend who opens a fridge shirtless with his hot body
and drink like just guzzles a bit of milk. Now,
I'm like em, that's nasty.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
But she interviews a guy who said, here standing in
line for two hours.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I don't get how people line with people. I don't.
There's nothing that would interest me enough for me to
line up for five minutes, let alone two our hours.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I don't think I would line up for legitimately anything
for two hours unless it was hard, unless it was
some miracle medication to fix someone I loved who was sick.
I'm not. I'm not. I don't want anything that much.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Neither do I neither do it. Like there's people that
line up out out the front of this shop near
where we used to live, for shoes that would come in,
like I guess specific shoes that were they must collect
or were quite special, and I'd be like, what the
fuck are they all lining up? They'd take their camping
chairs line up for Oh my god, is it loon
(21:47):
or something like that. They do the cronuts, Oh yeah, yeah,
across and apparently they're so great, but the line is
always so long. I'm like, how desperate are you for
across on slash donut? Ugh.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
The last thing is more recent. Have you heard of
this whole body deodorant? No, it's exactly what it says.
It's like a deodorant that you put all over your body, right,
and I'm like, what purpose does that serve? I see
this article in news dot com and this woman named
Ashley Ford said whole body deodorant is taking off because,
(22:26):
unlike traditional deodorants, it is made for more than under
arms and can be used to safely stop external odor
wherever it shows up pits, groin, under boobs, butt, ex,
thigh's feet, you name it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Do your knees smell like? Do our knees smell?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
This?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Is our both smell as weird?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I assume that what she's saying is anywhere that would
potentially gets previce, right, Yeah, but I would say, and look,
I know there are probably conditions where people have issues
with right, and that's probably a really good thing for them. Otherwise,
if you're getting to a point where you're smelling, I think,
(23:08):
jump in the shower.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah you got yes, But people often can't smell themselves well.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Like, but then you need to be around better people.
And I don't know if I believe that.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Because I know that you and I like can smell ourselves,
but they're definitely that it is a scent that a
lot of people. I think it would even be a
thing that you can't really smell yourself. So many people
you walk past and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?
You just punch me in the face with your underarmed scent,
But they don't seem to know.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I don't remember the last time I forgot to put
deodoran on, right, No, but if there's a time where
I have forgotten to put deodoran on, I can smell myself.
I'm like, oh my god, why do I smell the fuck?
I must have forgotten to put deodorant on today or whatever.
I can. I can smell it.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, I mean I don't wish you, yes, but there
might be times when I don't smell it, but I
don't smell to the extent that somebody walking past would
smell it, Like no way, there's no way. But some
people do, like really do? I feel like some people's
scent is a lot stronger than others.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It's just I just feel like shit, like that is
it just perpetuating this easy? Oh you know what, you
don't even have to shower anymore. If you pong a bit,
just put some of this spray on and you'll be right.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, I'm just like, get in the.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Shower, have a scrub, you'll be okay. Like if you're
showering every day, how much do you stink? I just
don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah. But also we're not working out hard, like we
literally barely move our bodies on tabe. You're not, mate,
you're on a roof, editing on a roof. Well, the
tilers are all around you. Yeah. Some people's pong is
so fucking hectic. It's so last you with food too. Yes,
I was going to say some people are on Yonny
and stuff like that. All right, we're out of here, y'all,
(25:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
That was very good to pods often.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I used air pods all the time. Same, I'd be
lost without my air pods me too. And my thing
is that as soon as I take them out, I
have to put them straight back in their case, otherwise
I get nervous, get lost. And then Odie finds it
funny sometimes to take them out because it's a pest.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, yeah, that's annoying. Take them out sometimes you oh,
they'll be waxy.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
So disgusting, it's so crooked. Minus still relatively new, so
they're in good nick. But yeah, they do start to
get so crusty. I wear earbuds every night to sleep,
whatever they're called. Yeah, Are they.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Like like the foam ones the fri like you wear
at the Grand Prix.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, totally. I wear those every night. And because I
put fake tan on quite a lot. Yeah, at the
ends of them are often brown and I'm like, that
looks so fun so nasty. It just looks like my
ears are fucking hectically full of wax. But it's fake
tan all over them.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
There's also something about when it's your own dirt, you
can deal with it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh, it's just there.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Dirty.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Nah. If I saw Sam's like that, I'd be like,
are you joking? It's so crooked? So earlier this week,
I hold on my fact. Oh you fat?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Sorry God, I cut the fact segment.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
No, I love the fact segment, but we forget about
it all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh well, okay, this is sad but interesting. Did you
know that you know that plane crash that Richie Vellen's
beg Bopper and Buddy Holly died in. Yes, right, in
like nineteen fifty nine. It was Buddy Holy's wife was
pregnant at the time. She reportedly learned of his death
(02:04):
on the TV. She was just at home and they
reported the plane crash and who had died in that
plane crash? And she miscarried?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Oh she miscarried. Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
As a result of that, authorities and broadcasters realized, actually, hey,
when someone dies, we should actually contact the family.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
First, you think.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So that became like a turning point that led to
that policy coming into place. So before the death of
someone's reported, think, it's mandatory that you let the family
know first.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yes, and from that plane crash. Yes, Oh there you go.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Thanks for starting off with the starting off with the
real positive, with a real fun one.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
No, that's interesting. It's so because you don't think of
how basic things like that come into play, do you
know what I mean? Like you just would think that's
a given that they would come and tell you. But
obviously it didn't used to be, do you think so?
You'd think so? Anyway, So I went and had or
spoke to a psychiatrist who does TMS. Right, So TMS
(03:07):
is an acronym for transcranial magnetic stimulation. So here's what
it means. What it is a non invasive procedure that
uses magnetic pulses to stimulate nerve cells in the brain,
most commonly to treat depression that has not responded to
other treatments. So it's like this thing that they put
(03:28):
on your head, and the sessions last between ten to
thirty minutes. You have to have thirty five sessions, so
Monday to Friday for six weeks. But when I was
in hospital, my new rolet for I had to go
to hospital for a week the other week because my
migraines were so out of control. My neurologist said, how
about you give TMS a try because there's promising signs
(03:50):
for migraine as well. So I'm like, okay, let's just
do it all. So I spoke to the psychiatrist yesterday
and it's all covered under Medicare, Like, it's not an
airy fairy treatment. It's a proper treatment for the depression
and anxiety which I do have as well as now
(04:11):
they're showing that can help to reduce the frequency and
intensity of migraines. Doesn't work for everyone. I've had a
friend who's done TMS for depression and he said he
definitely notices has noticed a difference. But like a third
of people it works a little bit. For a third
of people it works really well for and a third
(04:32):
of people it doesn't work for it all. So I
don't like it.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Because it automatically puts you in a place of.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I could fall in that yeah, And of course my
mind goes to, of course it'll be the one that doesn't.
You know, it doesn't work for But I'm like, it's
such a huge commitment because it's every day, like every
single day, you've got a hell sorry for six weeks
thirty five sessions and then you can go back and
have twenty more. I just but sometimes they can do
(05:02):
it in two days, sorry, in two times a day,
and I'm like, oh, I want to do that to
get it over and done within three weeks.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I guess it is annoying because he's a big commitment,
but also the bigger commitment in the long run is
having to make stuff imagine it works. Which let's say
it's going to work. It's going to work, Let's put
it out there, it's going to work. Like how much
life you're going.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
To get back? I know. I saw a lady because
I've just researched it so much on Instagram who had
really bad depression, was like hers was so debilitating that
she said, it's this TMS has just been wonderful for me.
But I just don't know what to do now, Like
I don't know how like these feelings are so new
(05:49):
and my life is so different now, I don't almost
know how to handle it. I just am I I've
got to throw everything at this for my migraines yet,
but also I know my anxiety and depression feeding, you know,
so even if that side of it is lightened a bit,
I think you will have a ripple on effect as well.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I saw a really interesting interview. This young girl was
interviewing Chris Hemsworth, right, and he gave just this, I mean,
it's not rocket science, but he gave this really interesting
take that I think his therapist had told him about anxiety,
and he was saying how they did. Apparently the therapist
(06:32):
told him that they did a study with like people
who were in the spotlight. So let's say like musicians,
high performing athletes, whatever. Some identified the feeling of excitement
before they performed or whatever, and the other group identified
it as anxiety.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right, And they hooked them up to machines and monitored
their bodily responses, and the responses were exactly the same
in their bodies. It's just one.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Handple brain and interprets it as excited and as anxious.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And how powerful your perception of it is.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
It's just it's so true, isn't it. I'm just constantly
blown away by and examples like that are so real,
and I'm doing I've told malive jumped in really researching
this body mind connection and getting right into that because
for example, yeah, i feel like I'm stuck in this
(07:29):
pain fear cycle where for so long my body's gone
into protection and it kind of comes out in migraines.
And so our brains are plastic. We can rewire them.
But it's saying it like it gives examples of like
you know, when people lose a limb and then they
get phantom limb, phantom pains, the phantom pains, which is
(07:50):
the brain the pain signal in the brain, Like the
pain is very real, but it's the brain sending off
an alarm signal of pain even though the physical limbs
not there. So there's I'm just learning. There's so many
illnesses that doctors and stuff go there's nothing we can
do for that. That's what you've got. But if there's
no structural damage, it's usually a mind body connection where
(08:14):
your brain is shooting off this pain signal and it's
trying to keep you safe even though it comes out
as pain. It's fascinating and Chris Hemsworth did a documentary
on it called Limitless and it's pain is the He's
done quite a few episodes, but one of them.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Is he might be what it was for because that
sounds familiar, right, see what it was for?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah? And he yeah, because he has chronic back pain
and so he and you know, he admitted in it
his anxiety is quite bad. He feels like he can't
play with his kids. He gets nervous before he takes
on roles because the pain is so intense. And so
this man who had lost both of his legs was
(09:00):
teaching him through pain and the power of how we
can rewire our brain to know that it's we're safe
and we don't need to fire off that pain signal.
Like there's so much neuroscience behind it. It's quite fascinating
and like I've got nothing to lose, so I'm delving
deep into it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Good on you, and you know it's it's yeah, it's
it's not bullshit.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
It's not because I'm like, I need science, But a
lot of doctors don't because they specialize just in their area.
They don't go, oh, you should deep dive into the
fact that you're probably stuck in a bit of a
trauma pain for your cycle, Like it's not And the
people I'm learning off are doctors who have now gone
into this area. So I'm like, I just don't want
(09:42):
some hippie telling me or this shit. I need science.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, like, you know, stick some sage up your ars
and yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You've spin around and stick this in your fucking clacker.
No thanks.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, Well, speaking of this, I called you the other day. Yeah,
and I panicked if I know you never call. You
answered the phone Hello. Yeah, like, oh my god, that hesitant,
surprised and also a bit scared.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, totally yeah, because it was around school pickup, so
the time was ridiculous to call.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah. Well, it's actually, I thought, brilliant because you assume that.
I assumed you'd be in the car picking up the kids,
so I'm like, I should be driving anyway. So what
I had to tell you would you already know? But
I'll tell our listeners. So for a while, I don't.
I actually don't know if I've mentioned it. I probably have,
but when I say a while, probably the last year
(10:39):
or two, I've had this very strange I don't know
how to explain it, almost like I feel like this.
I feel like I'm vibrating almost like this behind my neck,
my jaw, my shoulders, and then it gets into my ears.
It's like this, I feel this rattling all the time,
(11:02):
and I tense up and then it's a headache. And
then it's it's not a migraine, but it's a headache.
It's this just feeling something is not right, and I
feel like I'm almost sore from the tension. Right. Yeah, anyway,
and I was looking up stuff. A lot of stuff
was pointing to central nervous system issues or whatever. And
(11:22):
I do take stimulant medication for my ADHD, so I thought,
maybe that's what it is. But I have been taking
it for a long time and it's only sort of
just read its head. And the funny thing is that
when I'm upstairs and with everyone, I almost don't even
realize it's there. And I was thinking to myself, I
wonder if it's because I'm distracted, I'm engaging, that I'm
(11:44):
not focusing on it. But I do spend about ninety
percent of my time in the apartment downstairs. It's not
an apartment, but like where I work. And then I
was like, it's every time I sit down here, every
time I open my laptop, and I'm like, maybe it's
a work association thing. I feel stressed about the amount
of stuff I've going to do. But then I think
it was I was thinking about, you know how Stace
(12:07):
always says that when she goes into the shops like
a target or whatever, she feels like she has to shit.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yes, like the fluoro lights make her need to sho
show lights right, Yes, anyway, I feel like I might
have just blown something wide open.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I started looking into lights, right, apparently fluorescent and LED lights. Now,
we probably in the last two years had our lights
changed over to all the down lights and stuff to
LED lights because we had the old halogen ones, which
are quite unsafe because this is an older house, right,
we had them changed over to LED's. But in the
(12:43):
apartment there's still LEDs, but the fitting is different, so
there's different to the ones that we've got upstairs. So
here's what I found. Fluorescent and LED lights amids. They're
called subliminal flickers. So it's this constant flickering that you
might not even perceive. You might not even see the
fl but your brain registers them. Right now, some of
(13:05):
the things that it causes are events with your nervous system,
such as ticks, seizures, or migrains. It can completely disrupt
your circadium rhythm. You've got the lights on during the day.
I don't even remember the last time I was asleep
before three am. This is where I'm at. I swear
(13:26):
this is where I'm at my atially I think it
is like a bad habit, but I just I can't
switch off. But I'm under those lights all day and night.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And are you working until close to them? Or I'm
working till then?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I'm working because I can't sleep. In fairness, my brain
switched on looking at my computer all the time. It
also is associated with mental fatigue, chronic fatigue, moodiness, negative emotions. Right,
but the thing is in the apartment. I can see
the flicker that intense Oh my god. So I decided
(14:03):
I'm not putting those lights on anymore. This is day
four or five?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, no, day four, because you called me a couple
of days ago, and I'm like, well, let's see how
it's going when you when we record.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I haven't had that feeling since.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
You're joking, because I saw a bit of a coincidence
that you'd had to because you called me and he said,
I have had two days of feeling completely different. So
this is four days now and you've got a damp on,
not the led lights.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I am slightly scared that I'm jinxing myself because every
time I say something, the opposite happens. So you know,
like hold off, next time we record, I'll give you
an update.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, yes, that is imagine because you're like, that could
be my thing too, But I don't know, I don't
think it. I don't think it is. To be honest,
I have the lights dim a lot. I'm wonder if
dimmer switches that was another thing. Dimmer switches are a
huge source of the flickering.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
But you can't, like I can't just real so yeah,
and to get you can buy low flicker ones, but
they're quite specialized. It's not like you just go to
the shop and buy them, like you have to get
through it. I don't know. But anyway, even just to
experiment with it a little bit. Yeah, and see I.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Should Yeah, I mean everything's worth a tribe. But imagine
it was something as simple as that, like just changing
my lights over because it has also got all the money. Yeah,
that's what I'm like. Yeah, anyway, the imagine it was that.
And also because it's got worse since I've moved to
this house, I've had it changed from mold and everything
(15:37):
like that, and there's nothing like that. So I'm like
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
But anyway, taking a little bit negative, H well, I'm
not negative, just stupid things that are annoying me at
the moment. But this is like products I've recently seen
that they're trying to sell to us that have pissed
me off. And it's sort of kicked off with the
Kim Kardashian merve G string.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yes, that's right. So it's a G string with all
bush on it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It's just got like pubes luck on the front of it.
And her cell is like, oh and we've got you know, like, however,
many different colors and styles curly.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Why would you want that? I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I don't get it either, But they fucking sold out
almost immediately seventy au.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Oh my god. So the skin color as well.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
They are a tiny G string, I mean, like, you know,
the G string that's it's like a you know, a
bit of elastic. Let's say that's sort of G string.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So maybe girls who have had laser surgery and there's
nothing there are like, oh shit, the bushes back.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I mean, well, the thing is right, Like it's the
stupidity of people just buying shit like that because Kim
Kardashian's peddling it, so I want it, yeah, totally like
and also there are options, right if you haven't had laser,
grow your pubes back. If you have had laser, go
(17:06):
and buy a G string next time you go to
the hairdresser, get them to you know, save you get
glues in a stick, some glue on it, and then
you've got American Like, So, why do you want?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Are pubes back?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Apparently they are making a big comeback. Really, I'm I
understand that pubes serve a purpose.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
What is the purpose to keep dust and stuff for
ray for?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I guess it's like a filter, like nose hair, the
hair that's sort of like deep in our ears filters
dust and bacteria and shit like that. Okay, I don't
want to deal with pubes. I just and it's probably
there's nothing dirty about a vagina, but the thought of
it feels cleaner. I don't know, it just feels yeah. Yeah,
(17:53):
I mean, each to their own. But yeah, apparently it's
making come back.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah right, which is great for younger girls because then
they're like, this is normal. It's just not another thing
to maintain. But yeah, that's interesting that it's back. I
mean I don't tend to follow any trended minds, just
what I can be bothered doing at that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
The idea of no maintenance is appealing. Yeah, totally, Like
how big can it get?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, can you grow it?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
How far can I understick out? Like a full literal
bush underneath them? So what are the products?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Oh my god? Okay, so there's that now, Tyra Banks.
Do you know she's opened an ice cream shop in Sydney. Yeah,
it's called Smies and Dream. She, you know, trademarked that
term from America's Next Top Model Smies like smiling with
your eyes. It was like a.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Like it's right anyway. So as part of this Smise
and Dream, there's a product in this ice cream store
called hot ice cream. And I'm like, hot ice cream.
She's like, it's not hot chocolate, it's not hot milk,
it's hot ice cream.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I feel like I'm going crazy. It's like I don't sleep.
These ideas just keep coming in my head. And then
this one, this one came to me. Hot ice cream,
silky ice cream that you can drink And no, I'm
not talking about a latte. I'm not talking about hot
chocolate that has flavors. I'm talking about hot ice cream,
an vation that took me over a year to get right.
(19:29):
You're gonna be able to taste it.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It's fucking melted ice cream that's warmed up. That's it.
It's a drink.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
But she's so gross.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
To re labeling it hot ice cream.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You know what it is. It's a warm, thick shake.
That's disgusting to me. That's like, it's not meant to
be warm. That's odd, it's odd happening. Like the word
ice is probably the important thing here. I'm not into
warm milky beverages. See you did you like a cup
of coffee that's a warm, milky beverage. I love a
(20:02):
cup of tea that's a warm, milky beverage.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, but I have like a drop of milk in it.
It's not like I'm having a glass of milk hot.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
My sister drinks milk. Like basically we're out of the
Carleton Master. The weirdest thing to see, like just somebody
grown up drinking a glass of milk to me is
so odd.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
When Mark drinks milk, I'm like, that's turning me off.
I'm sorry, yeah, but fair enough that you're drinking a
glass of milk. Isn't that horrible? It's so odd? What's
wrong with me? What is fucking wrong with me?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Although, remember there used to be that milk aud where
that hot shirtless guy got out and drank, got up
and opened the fridge and drank out of it, and
it was so hot that my friend Abby and I,
when we were single for one hundred and four years,
used to go. I just can't wait to get a
boyfriend who opens a fridge shirtless with his hot body
and drink like just guzzles a bit of milk. Now,
I'm like em, that's nasty.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
But she interviews a guy who said, here standing in
line for two hours.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I don't get how people line with people. I don't.
There's nothing that would interest me enough for me to
line up for five minutes, let alone two our hours.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I don't think I would line up for legitimately anything
for two hours unless it was hard, unless it was
some miracle medication to fix someone I loved who was sick.
I'm not. I'm not. I don't want anything that much.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Neither do I neither do it. Like there's people that
line up out out the front of this shop near
where we used to live, for shoes that would come in,
like I guess specific shoes that were they must collect
or were quite special, and I'd be like, what the
fuck are they all lining up? They'd take their camping
chairs line up for Oh my god, is it loon
(21:47):
or something like that. They do the cronuts, Oh yeah, yeah,
across and apparently they're so great, but the line is
always so long. I'm like, how desperate are you for
across on slash donut? Ugh.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
The last thing is more recent. Have you heard of
this whole body deodorant? No, it's exactly what it says.
It's like a deodorant that you put all over your body, right,
and I'm like, what purpose does that serve? I see
this article in news dot com and this woman named
Ashley Ford said whole body deodorant is taking off because,
(22:26):
unlike traditional deodorants, it is made for more than under
arms and can be used to safely stop external odor
wherever it shows up pits, groin, under boobs, butt, ex,
thigh's feet, you name it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Do your knees smell like? Do our knees smell?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
This?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Is our both smell as weird?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I assume that what she's saying is anywhere that would
potentially gets previce, right, Yeah, but I would say, and look,
I know there are probably conditions where people have issues
with right, and that's probably a really good thing for them. Otherwise,
if you're getting to a point where you're smelling, I think,
(23:08):
jump in the shower.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah you got yes, But people often can't smell themselves well.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Like, but then you need to be around better people.
And I don't know if I believe that.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Because I know that you and I like can smell ourselves,
but they're definitely that it is a scent that a
lot of people. I think it would even be a
thing that you can't really smell yourself. So many people
you walk past and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?
You just punch me in the face with your underarmed scent,
But they don't seem to know.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I don't remember the last time I forgot to put
deodoran on, right, No, but if there's a time where
I have forgotten to put deodoran on, I can smell myself.
I'm like, oh my god, why do I smell the fuck?
I must have forgotten to put deodorant on today or whatever.
I can. I can smell it.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, I mean I don't wish you, yes, but there
might be times when I don't smell it, but I
don't smell to the extent that somebody walking past would
smell it, Like no way, there's no way. But some
people do, like really do? I feel like some people's
scent is a lot stronger than others.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It's just I just feel like shit, like that is
it just perpetuating this easy? Oh you know what, you
don't even have to shower anymore. If you pong a bit,
just put some of this spray on and you'll be right.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, I'm just like, get in the.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Shower, have a scrub, you'll be okay. Like if you're
showering every day, how much do you stink? I just
don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah. But also we're not working out hard, like we
literally barely move our bodies on tabe. You're not, mate,
you're on a roof, editing on a roof. Well, the
tilers are all around you. Yeah. Some people's pong is
so fucking hectic. It's so last you with food too. Yes,
I was going to say some people are on Yonny
and stuff like that. All right, we're out of here, y'all,
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