October 27, 2025 • 8 mins
Sunrise is joined by Daily Telegraph Journalist, James Willis and the Founding Director of Western Sydney Women, Amanda Rose to discuss new rules for telcos, young adult pay rise push and dating for a free meal.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Now the government wilforce telcos to establish a public register
which will track network outages in the wake of the
fatal Optist Triple zero crisis. The Communications Minister said a
mandatory public database would increase transparency and accountability when outages
occur and they impact access to Triple zero. For their take,
(00:23):
let's bring in Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis and also
founding director of Western Sindia Women Amanda ro Is. Good
morning to you, James. So a public register, on the
surface that might sound good. Is it going to help
people if there's an out.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, now, it's a step in the right direction, but
I think we can be doing a whole lot more
to protect people. And as we've discussed on this segment before,
the reason that this is important is because people were
dying and sadly died and couldn't reach triple zero, and
opt just didn't tell the public about it for more
than twenty four hours. So a database that people can
monitor is a good step in the right direction, but
(00:57):
I'm of the view that we need to be going
even further here. There need to be larger fines for
outages of this kind. Opts also need to bring back
its call centers from overseas to Australia. They sacked hundreds
of workers in Australia move them offshore and you know,
inevitably a crisis like this was bound to happen. But
we've also like they should just be alerting people. And
(01:17):
this is the thing with banks now. Every time that
you get every time there's a scam with your bank,
you get an applelurt to say, be on the lookout,
there is a new scam out. They often give you
the details of that scam.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
You mean, communications from a communication.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's common sense now to be saying the telco should
be saying we're experiencing outages, let us know straight away
out of an abundance of caution.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
They're not doing enough.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, if you've got if there's a triple zero outage
and you can go to a database and confirm that.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I mean, but that would record.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
How is that going to help you? Well, it's not.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
And this is the thing. Find sound good, don't they,
But they just go to the government. They're not even
going to the families you know that are suffered through this.
But you know, the telco it's we'll do an internal
investigation of how this happened. I'm like, I don't want
you to do it yourself. I want well. Senator Henderson's
actually putting to Parliament today to do an inquiry on this,
(02:10):
which is really important. We need an actual inquiry to
say who was it that made the decision, what processes
were at fault, because simply saying that shouldn't happen, we'll
find you, let's do a database is not going to
help moving forward. This is it's one of those things
where it makes people feel like something is happening, but
nothing's actually happened.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, and better backups, maybe better backup.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Actual solutions, not a database which would cost millions of
dollars for a taxpayer money, mind you to actually establish.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
That and also in your hour of need. And let's
face it, some people go their whole lives without needing
to ring triple zero. But if you do, you're not
going to be checking the database first to say, oh,
there's an outage here, let's not do it. Can you
use your phone instead of mind to have you telstra?
I mean it just doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It sort of sounds good on a SoundBite, but realistically.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
There's a whole lot more that can be done.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Here exactly. Moving on, Employer groups have hit back at
a union push to increase wages for eighteen, nineteen, and
twenty year old saying it will only lead to a
surge in youth unemployment. Unions are calling on the Fair
Work Commission to raise the pay rate for our youngest
adult workers in retail, in fast food and also pharmacy
jobs so that in line with the actual adult wage. Apparently, James,
(03:23):
this was a leftover from the nineteen hundreds when adulthood
started at twenty one, not eighteen, And they reckon, it's
just always been like this, but business is not happy.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, I can understand that, and you have to ask
yourself what's left for the employer. I mean, it's never
been harder for a business to make money. And I'm
of the view I realized that they would be saying, Look,
an eighteen year old might be living out of home
now and it's very expensive to with rent and.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
All your other bills.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
But the reality is a twenty one year old, nine
times out of ten, will have three more years experience
on the job than an eighteen year old and deserves
to be paid more. This is just another attempt by
the unions to just squeeze money out of businesses and
demand things that people haven't deserved. I mean, if you work,
and we've all started working young, you started on I
(04:08):
mean my first job, I was on five dollars fifty
an hour, but you got to where you wanted to
go through hard work.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
To just give people.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Things on a planet doesn't work, and I think it's
a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They get eighteen year olds and nineteen year olds and
twenty get seventy eighty and ninety percent of what a
twenty one year old should they be paid equal?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, is the logic of things are more expensive now,
so therefore I should be paid more, And that's the
logic that they're using instead of actually I have more
experience now, so I should be paid more. And the
truth is there will be an increase in uth unemployment
because if you have a twenty three year old with
it with and you're paying a twenty three year old
the exact same as a seventeen year old and that
twenty three odd has all this experience, you're going to
(04:48):
pick the twenty three year old as a business owner.
Right now, The whole point of young people coming into
a small business and being paid less was the business
was training them. They were actually giving them the experience.
It was like a paid internship in a way. You're
being trained, you're being paid to learn skills, and then
you go up the corporate ladder. What we don't want is,
you know, creeping towards this universal wage for same job,
(05:10):
saying pay across the board, because then people won't put
in effort, they won't bother working hard from the experience,
and people just expect to get the same pay and
they have got zero experience whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
If you compared it to the salary cap of a
football team. You've got your experience, guys. But also workers
want to Bosses want to employ younger people that will one.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Day run their own businesses.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But they can start from scratch, and therefore they shouldn't
be paid the same.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
It's as simple as that, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
New research out of the US has revealed nearly a
third of single Gen Z adults are going on a
date just to get a free mail. That's from a
survey of one five hundred people. One twenty two year
old woman says girls got to eight James to.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
A problem.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, firstly, the man should always pay on the first date.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Oh my god, we agree on something.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I'm not just the first date forever.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
But anyway, the first the first date at the very
least should pay.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But however, I'm not comfortable with the idea of women
if the men are paying. If we take that on board,
women are going out for a free meal because they
don't feel like cooking, if there's no romantic and.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Feel like cooking what the woman should be cooking.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
But well, if they're not at home and that's not
what I.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Ago, I'm just giving you.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
But you understand it that.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Look, you know, this is actually nothing new. Can I
say this. I have friends that have admitted to me
that many years ago, during the dating times, that they
would go on dates to eat right to save the money.
So this is actually true.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I'm hotly you're not feminist.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, look, put it this way. My logic is, if
I'm eating, you know, and I don't want to be
on a date with someone you know to get to
know them, then I just won't do it. But this
is a strategy that people are using, right, and I
think it actually is.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
So they're feminists when they want to it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Oh that's most of women. So the thing is that
what you The best way to combat this, The best
way to combat this is go on a walk right
for a first day and buy a coffee. And that way,
the bloke is only paying like four dollars and he's
saving himself a fortune just in case, and you'll know
she's genuine or not.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And then the man and the woman can cook their
own meals in their separately.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And I just want to be clear on that. That's
that's what I meant. You can't can't keep don't clip
that up.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Come on, sorry, it comes in a paper bag with
a sight on the.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Side that you can do a good bolina. I can
do it, excellent taught.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
She taught me a lot. She taught me how to wash.
But bolinais is a special Ever happened.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
You more than that?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I've got an air fry that does like one hundred things.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Get yourself on air fought about Yes, thank you.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I just want to know.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I want to know where a manner is going need
a four dollar coffee these days?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
That's to be here. You're so goodness
Speaker 1 (08:07):
M hm
Now the government wilforce telcos to establish a public register
which will track network outages in the wake of the
fatal Optist Triple zero crisis. The Communications Minister said a
mandatory public database would increase transparency and accountability when outages
occur and they impact access to Triple zero. For their take,
(00:23):
let's bring in Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis and also
founding director of Western Sindia Women Amanda ro Is. Good
morning to you, James. So a public register, on the
surface that might sound good. Is it going to help
people if there's an out.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, now, it's a step in the right direction, but
I think we can be doing a whole lot more
to protect people. And as we've discussed on this segment before,
the reason that this is important is because people were
dying and sadly died and couldn't reach triple zero, and
opt just didn't tell the public about it for more
than twenty four hours. So a database that people can
monitor is a good step in the right direction, but
(00:57):
I'm of the view that we need to be going
even further here. There need to be larger fines for
outages of this kind. Opts also need to bring back
its call centers from overseas to Australia. They sacked hundreds
of workers in Australia move them offshore and you know,
inevitably a crisis like this was bound to happen. But
we've also like they should just be alerting people. And
(01:17):
this is the thing with banks now. Every time that
you get every time there's a scam with your bank,
you get an applelurt to say, be on the lookout,
there is a new scam out. They often give you
the details of that scam.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
You mean, communications from a communication.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's common sense now to be saying the telco should
be saying we're experiencing outages, let us know straight away
out of an abundance of caution.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
They're not doing enough.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, if you've got if there's a triple zero outage
and you can go to a database and confirm that.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I mean, but that would record.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
How is that going to help you? Well, it's not.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
And this is the thing. Find sound good, don't they,
But they just go to the government. They're not even
going to the families you know that are suffered through this.
But you know, the telco it's we'll do an internal
investigation of how this happened. I'm like, I don't want
you to do it yourself. I want well. Senator Henderson's
actually putting to Parliament today to do an inquiry on this,
(02:10):
which is really important. We need an actual inquiry to
say who was it that made the decision, what processes
were at fault, because simply saying that shouldn't happen, we'll
find you, let's do a database is not going to
help moving forward. This is it's one of those things
where it makes people feel like something is happening, but
nothing's actually happened.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, and better backups, maybe better backup.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Actual solutions, not a database which would cost millions of
dollars for a taxpayer money, mind you to actually establish.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
That and also in your hour of need. And let's
face it, some people go their whole lives without needing
to ring triple zero. But if you do, you're not
going to be checking the database first to say, oh,
there's an outage here, let's not do it. Can you
use your phone instead of mind to have you telstra?
I mean it just doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It sort of sounds good on a SoundBite, but realistically.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
There's a whole lot more that can be done.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Here exactly. Moving on, Employer groups have hit back at
a union push to increase wages for eighteen, nineteen, and
twenty year old saying it will only lead to a
surge in youth unemployment. Unions are calling on the Fair
Work Commission to raise the pay rate for our youngest
adult workers in retail, in fast food and also pharmacy
jobs so that in line with the actual adult wage. Apparently, James,
(03:23):
this was a leftover from the nineteen hundreds when adulthood
started at twenty one, not eighteen, And they reckon, it's
just always been like this, but business is not happy.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, I can understand that, and you have to ask
yourself what's left for the employer. I mean, it's never
been harder for a business to make money. And I'm
of the view I realized that they would be saying, Look,
an eighteen year old might be living out of home
now and it's very expensive to with rent and.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
All your other bills.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
But the reality is a twenty one year old, nine
times out of ten, will have three more years experience
on the job than an eighteen year old and deserves
to be paid more. This is just another attempt by
the unions to just squeeze money out of businesses and
demand things that people haven't deserved. I mean, if you work,
and we've all started working young, you started on I
(04:08):
mean my first job, I was on five dollars fifty
an hour, but you got to where you wanted to
go through hard work.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
To just give people.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Things on a planet doesn't work, and I think it's
a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They get eighteen year olds and nineteen year olds and
twenty get seventy eighty and ninety percent of what a
twenty one year old should they be paid equal?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, is the logic of things are more expensive now,
so therefore I should be paid more, And that's the
logic that they're using instead of actually I have more
experience now, so I should be paid more. And the
truth is there will be an increase in uth unemployment
because if you have a twenty three year old with
it with and you're paying a twenty three year old
the exact same as a seventeen year old and that
twenty three odd has all this experience, you're going to
(04:48):
pick the twenty three year old as a business owner.
Right now, The whole point of young people coming into
a small business and being paid less was the business
was training them. They were actually giving them the experience.
It was like a paid internship in a way. You're
being trained, you're being paid to learn skills, and then
you go up the corporate ladder. What we don't want is,
you know, creeping towards this universal wage for same job,
(05:10):
saying pay across the board, because then people won't put
in effort, they won't bother working hard from the experience,
and people just expect to get the same pay and
they have got zero experience whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
If you compared it to the salary cap of a
football team. You've got your experience, guys. But also workers
want to Bosses want to employ younger people that will one.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Day run their own businesses.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But they can start from scratch, and therefore they shouldn't
be paid the same.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
It's as simple as that, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
New research out of the US has revealed nearly a
third of single Gen Z adults are going on a
date just to get a free mail. That's from a
survey of one five hundred people. One twenty two year
old woman says girls got to eight James to.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
A problem.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, firstly, the man should always pay on the first date.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Oh my god, we agree on something.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I'm not just the first date forever.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
But anyway, the first the first date at the very
least should pay.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But however, I'm not comfortable with the idea of women
if the men are paying. If we take that on board,
women are going out for a free meal because they
don't feel like cooking, if there's no romantic and.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Feel like cooking what the woman should be cooking.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
But well, if they're not at home and that's not
what I.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Ago, I'm just giving you.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
But you understand it that.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Look, you know, this is actually nothing new. Can I
say this. I have friends that have admitted to me
that many years ago, during the dating times, that they
would go on dates to eat right to save the money.
So this is actually true.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I'm hotly you're not feminist.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, look, put it this way. My logic is, if
I'm eating, you know, and I don't want to be
on a date with someone you know to get to
know them, then I just won't do it. But this
is a strategy that people are using, right, and I
think it actually is.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
So they're feminists when they want to it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Oh that's most of women. So the thing is that
what you The best way to combat this, The best
way to combat this is go on a walk right
for a first day and buy a coffee. And that way,
the bloke is only paying like four dollars and he's
saving himself a fortune just in case, and you'll know
she's genuine or not.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And then the man and the woman can cook their
own meals in their separately.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And I just want to be clear on that. That's
that's what I meant. You can't can't keep don't clip
that up.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Come on, sorry, it comes in a paper bag with
a sight on the.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Side that you can do a good bolina. I can
do it, excellent taught.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
She taught me a lot. She taught me how to wash.
But bolinais is a special Ever happened.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
You more than that?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I've got an air fry that does like one hundred things.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Get yourself on air fought about Yes, thank you.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I just want to know.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I want to know where a manner is going need
a four dollar coffee these days?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
That's to be here. You're so goodness
Speaker 1 (08:07):
M hm
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