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February 18, 2019 50 mins

For Presidents (or President's or Presidents' or Washington's Birth)Day, former Deputy Secretary of Labor, Cabinet Secretary and assistant to President Obama (and a whole bunch of other cool things), Chris Lu becomes one of the few Taking Ship repeat guests and we couldn't be more excited about it. We talk DNC (he's a member at large), we talk about #GoodBrainBestWords' "National Emergency" and wrap it up with the smartest conversation you'll hear anywhere about the 2020 field. You absolutely want to check this episode out. THEN you want to be sure to follow Chris on Twitter at: @ChrisLu44. 

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