May 19, 2025 • 23 mins
It's been a massive week on the show with Jack revealing he's leaving the show, so Christian, Caitlin and Rio jumped into the studio to answer your questions and reflect on the big news.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
App Got anything good?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey, this is the Christian O'Connell show podcast, So I
thought we just do this mini podcast. This is a
mini podcast about the news that's going to announce this
week on the show that Jack of his own record,
is leaving the show. Nothing else has happened other than
last week. He called me genuinely out of blue on
(00:40):
a Wednesday afternoon and actually just blew up his whole
life and said, I think I need to leave the show.
And so we had a lot of chats over the
next two or three days. I asked him to take
the restless week off last week off while he worked
through it, but I knew his heart was it. He'd
been this is something that's been troubling him for a while,
and he said on the show that there's a calling
(01:02):
for him to leave. There is nothing lined up for Jack,
which a lot of people are struggling over that bit.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
However, it's in the.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Almost seven years of me doing the show, this is
the biggest thing for the show in a way of
like losing you know, It started literally from show one
with Pats and Jack, and Jack was the very first
person I hired as I built the team. So it's
a moment in the show's history and also our lives
together as well. Since you guys have been working on
(01:30):
the show, but a lot a lot of questions are
coming into me about how do I really feel? What
are we going to do on the show. So I thought,
rather than people trying to email me, we could do
a quick episode for people to hear where I'm at
with it, how you guys are feeling, and hopefully that
can reassure people.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, definitely for me, it felt like this, and it
kind of came to me this morning as we kicked
off the show, is I feel like I'm breaking up
with someone that I'm still in love with. So, like,
I love Jack Deely and he's amazing. I'm sure he
feels the same, but it's best for the both of
us that we go our separate ways. And so that's
kind of the analogy that I've been using to make
(02:06):
sense of it in my brain, because, like you, we
found out on that Wednesa, well that the next Thursday that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Sorry, the day I did the show, and you guys
didn't know. I did the show and I just said, look,
there's something going on. Jack isn't on the show today.
And then I told you guys afterwards. But I think
you saw from how I was Thursday. I was shocked
but also at peace with his decision, because people keep
saying to me, you must be very disappointed, you must
be very angry, but so much into list and I
keep telling people I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Genuinely not not at all.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And you guys saw me Thursday and then after Friday show,
and so I am. I was, and he almost left
the show. We never really talked about this. Jack almost
left the show two years ago, and I urged him
to think about it, and we were just about to
have two weeks off from the show, so I said, look,
we're having a break anyway, come back and let me
know your answer. But I was okay with him leaving then,
(02:55):
even though obviously I wanted to work with him and
hoped we'd be working for many more years ago that
I never thought it'd be a mega long term one,
seemly because he's really struggled with the hours, you know,
and it's been We've talked about that a lot on
the show. So I never thought it was a long,
long term thing. I saw thought it would be another
couple of years. And I was stunned when he called
me last Wednesday. There'd been no warning. But actually, as
he said, he'd been talking this through with his wife
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and he's been working it through a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
But I also, one thing you also know about me
is no one gets more energized.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And comes alive through transitions and change.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I live for that.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, Otherwise I wouldn't be here on a stray with
you guys. I would have stayed on a show that
had two and a half million listeners that was going
very well. I walked out on that show and didn't
know how to work out with Jack. I just hired him,
didn't know how to work out with Pats, hired you
two guys in very different reasons, and didn't know how
to work out with you guys. But I kind of
get excited by managing the changes, even if it's not
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ones you choose to make.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, And so a lot of people aren't like that.
I certainly don't like change. What helps you through that, like,
for example, when you got that phone call from Jack,
Obviously you go through the stages of losing someone, At
what point do you get to go, Oh, I actually
I'm really excited about this and I'm looking forward to
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life after Jack on the show.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
At first, it was sort of shocked because it was
so sudden, and then actually, what really happens is I
had to start calling sort of senior management and people
like that and sort of speak to them about it
and then try and see what they thought about it.
They just would take a lot of their lead from me,
and it was very clear that Jack had made his
mind up as well. And one thing I rang Jack back,
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and it wasn't a financial thing, and I asked him
to sleep on it.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Even though it's I don't think I'm going to change
your mind. I went to sleep on it.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Doesn't just do me that courtesy, But I knew he
was his mind was made up because I just know
how Jack is, and I knew that for him to
call me like that, he'd obviously done a lot of
work leading up to it's not an easy call to make.
And so I wanted if this was going to be
the end, I wanted our relationship to be how I've
always been with Jack, which is honest but also deeply loving,
with Jack as well. What started off as a mentor
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ship became a very deep, soulful friendship.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I've had Jack through some of it.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, I know he said about, you know, the dark
souls of his life, and so we've grown through that together,
not just the radio partnership.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
So my think, my wish for.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Anyone who work with is only want you to be
free and happy, and that can't just always be with me.
I don't own Jack, He doesn't owe me anything. I
just begged him to follow what was in his heart. Yeah,
and if it was to leave, then he must leave.
And he mustn't worry about me, because I think he
was very worried that. Oh and people don't know this,
but we've got some really big stuff happening over the
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next couple of years for this show that I've been
driving and pushing for for a couple of years. And
so Jack was walking out knowing that actually there was
exciting times ahead, and I really admired his courage that
he was honoring what's in him.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I don't know if I would have done that.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Talking to Jack on Thursday, it was the most at
peace I've heard him in a really long time. And
it's funny that you can hear that stuff just in
someone's voice in a phone call. And for us, it
was really difficult to understand. Like you said, exciting stuff
coming through. We all have such a good time on
the show every day, so it really blindsided a lot
of us.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
But then and I didn't understand.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I couldn't make any sense of it. And then it's
funny without him really explaining too much about it, just
hearing the tone in his voice, I immediately understood and like, oh,
you you need this. This is going to be, you know,
a really I think a positive change for Jack. And
then from everything else after that, it is just so
much easy to understand. And yes, I am really happy
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for him. In a really strange way, I think I'm
sad for losing, you know, such a close friend at work.
I'm sure we'll still be friends afterwards. But yeah, I
think the overwhelming feeling that I feel now is I'm
really happy for Jack.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, it's the right decision for Jake, and therefore what
he does affects us as well and has a repercussion,
so why would we be upset?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It says what you want to do, Yeah, I don't
want to hang out with anyone on this amazing show
that we have, that we build together. It doesn't want
to be here. I know you must go. Yeah, you
don't even look back, just go, because actually then it
releases me to do what I should do next. And
so over the last couple of years I have thought
of out, there's the thing that I really want to
do with the show, almost did it last year, even
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met somebody that I was going to hire. It just
wasn't right. And so the show is going really well.
So I left it, and so I do know what
I want to do next. And I can reassure everybody
there is going to be no big replacement for jackposts
like that. It isn't going to be like that. The
next evolution for this show will be something far more
subtler that most of you won't even strictly recognize as
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There is going to be no big next hire. It
just isn't needed the way you two are coming on
as well, I don't need to rush into anything. I
have an idea of what of who I want to
bring in next, not an actually specific person, but actually
in terms of how they would join the show, and
then I'll just see how that goes. If that doesn't
work out, then I'll just move the next thing and
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see how that goes. It was the same with how
it's always been.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Jack and I met up Sunday of the weekend before
he came in on Monday show to announce that he's left,
and I said to Jack, you mustn't worry about me, okay,
because I feel so guilty. You've got a lot going
on right now. I said, you mustn't worry about me,
because I will be okay. And he said, oh, no,
you will because actually this is what you love doing,
and you it's the joy of building it. And bizarrely,
two weeks ago, I said to my wife I feel
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quite flat at the moment at work, and I said
I need something new to build, and they said, I'd
be really careful what you wish for, because suddenly it
came crashing in and my wife looked at me and
her favorite word is.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And I was like, damn it. I've been looking to
get my sleeves rolled up again to rebuild.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's like I built the house, so I did have
built this house, and so it's a chance for a reno.
We don't need to flatten the place. Yes, you know,
it's just it's something else, a bit subtler, and that
I've got to be honest. I am heartbroken, but I'm
heartbroken in the right way. Yes, it's heart it's not
a heartbreak whatsoever. That's something else. That's that's a friend
or a family men being ill. That's really heartbreaking. This
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isn't that.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
This is a heart Yeah. I'm going to miss him.
I love doing it with him, but I'm also really energized.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I said to him today, I'm really energized by working
out what i want to do next. And he actually
said to me, got two before. He said that really
helps me because otherwise he's there worrying about me, and
I am, okay, quite the heart to tell him about. Bizarrely,
I ended up chatting to someone yesterday. I was chatting
to somebody else saying, this is roughly what I'm going
to be looking for next and I'm going to be
announcing it on next Monday show a national search for
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this kind of new possible team member and rolling the
shut and so I said, oh, you should chat to
this guy. And so I spoke to someone yesterday completely.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Out of the blue. Really lit me up.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Really lit me up, and I was like, I don't
know if he's going to be the person, but it
really just excited me the thought of building something new,
bringing someone in and working out how do we find
a way to this, because.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Actually that's life.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It is very much.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I remember listening to this great audiobook about change in
life called Find Me a Straight River, and it's basically
about how in nature there's no straight lines and there
is therefore in our lives there's no straight lines. There
twists and turns, and sometimes you look back and go,
my god, do you remember how he felt about that?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
First?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And then very quickly it meant that happened, and then
look where we are now. There's too many there's too
many times and chances of that in the last twenty
seven years of my life. Where you work with someone,
they're with you day in, day out, you and each
other's lives, and then they go or you move on,
and then everything always works.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Out for the better.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, this show has from when I've started, and I've
been here for three three and a half years now,
We've always evolved the show in different ways, whether it's
removing a benchmark and bringing something.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
New in or bringing I'm constantly looking.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Constantly doing that, and that refreshes this show. And this
is just a new evolution for our shot. Whilst it's
a bigger one, it's just another one. And so I
think that's what kind of helps us all, as we said,
our happy sadness, to move through that and be excited
for the future, which we all are. And funnily enough,
I was thinking about this yesterday when he started on
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this show and met you, and he talks about this
in his post, saying that you are a monumental, monumental
person and.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Mental, you know, and both are monumentally mental.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Both are true in his life and his thirties. Weirdly enough,
because of what you've taught him in his time here.
I think that's allowed him to be so true to
himself in his heart to make this decision, which is
so poetic in a way. And I can't I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Betful you noticed that, because Jack actually said to me Sunday,
he said, I said, that must have been really hard
to make those phone calls because I had to do that,
you know, when I had to move here. I had
to ring Richie, who I've been with for years, you know,
twelve years and then before that, seven years before that
first person first psychic ever had in radio, and then
we went our separate ways, and then I hired him
(12:03):
again many years later and we were together for yeah,
eleven years. So a big part of my life to
ring to go out of nowhere, I'm leaving the show.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Oh where are you going? Why can't I come? Now?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I'm going to Australia, And it just crushed me because
I realized that then there'd be no job for him
as well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Now he got a job, but it was like there was.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
A while there where there it was looked like there'd
be no job for him, and so I had all
this guilt that I'd given him no warning, and also
he was like we were best friends. And also I worried,
what if I don't ever get it that good again
on the other side of the world, I've got to
hire someone.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It's so rare you find these relationships where you just
catch fire together and if you're lucky, you get a
couple of them in your lifetime. And I've had a couple,
and I didn't know whether will I ever have that again?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Not just that in England. Whenever I'm hiring.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's inundated with people because I built up a very
big sort of show there. People really wanted with me here,
no one knew me, no one cared, and so it's
very hard. In the early days, actually there was no
back history for me here, so no one knew do
we really need do we buy into his vision? And
we don't know if he's going to make it here,
so it's all like building it from scratch. And Jack, actually,
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to be honest, was a boy and I started working
to him. He'd been on an afternoon show where you know,
they had a massive team as the biggest radio show
in Australia.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
He wasn't really certainly wasn't used.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
To working at the pace that I go at as well,
and so I think at first it was like him
struggling on a treadmill that just appeared to be like, oh.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Wait, is he just going to be like this? No, no, no,
it's always like this. And then there was like, so where's.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
The run sheet? We don't need a run sheet. Nothing
needs to be agreed or lockdown the day before. And
so his evolution and a growing up and stuff like
that has actually been a marvel to see, to be honest,
and then the fact that he can ring me and
do that. And at first I was hurt that he
hadn't told me before, but then I realized my voice
has influenced in his life, and I've got no part
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being I never would have strong armed him to staying,
but I think I kind of did it a bit
two years ago. To an extent, even though it wasn't
like stay, you make a mistake, I think I think
I probably did have some influence of staying. And so
I realized that actually it's not my job to make
that decision for him. And if I persuade him to say,
I'll be doing out my own interests, and that is
something else I'd never.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Do with any of you.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, yeah, exactly like you just said, you don't want
anyone here that doesn't want to be here, And it's
not that he does.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Do you look at his shoes there. I didn't just
get out with him. No, I want to be here
in that chair.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It looks so much.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Mac attack in the morning.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
But also, do you know what, I'm not sure I
would be right now as energized if you two hadn't
come on hugely that you have no no, no, you
really have. You must felt like last Thursday and Friday
doing those two shows, and obviously you knew suddenly after
Thursday show we then have to come back and he's going, yeah,
he's going in a week's time with all that going on,
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you two made two brilliant shows with me. You must
have felt your powers then, like we've not only got
this a Christian we've got this for ourselves now and
in our career past.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
And you can be honest about that.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah you get read.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I think yeah, those Thursday Friday shows, it was a
different energy. Not a better energy or a worse energy,
but it's just a different energy. And we talk about
sort of the next evolution and it was a bit
of a window looking in and say, oh this is
what this is what it can be, you know, on
a regular basis, And it was a Friday show was wild,
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like it was just it was insane.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
There was this strange, kiddy energy I've never had before
we never get again. It was like I think it
was us sort of not physically, but on some energies
were high fiving each other, going we're going to have
so much fun. Yeah we're going to be okay, Yeah,
it's good. For him, and it's really great for us
as well. It's a win win, What beautiful way to
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end any partnership where he moves on to whatever he
wants to do and we will into the next bit.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It's not going to be a struggle to work at all.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
The seeds of it already starting to blossom with you
two anyway.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's very clear to me.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
And free wheeled, I think is a perfect word. I
always probably i'd feel about Thursday Friday. It was a
really free wheeling show and.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's what happens.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Like you know, Jack talks about having space for himself,
and I think that's similar for us, Like take something
out and now there's just a bit more space to
find out, you know what is there. So I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I'm really excited.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You too, deserve you're a bigger future on the show.
You're both really ready for it now as well. And
so actually what Jack's done is he's added something back
to you too and me as well. Yeah, and I
think there's something really beautiful about that. It really goes
like that.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, we're so lucky for it to be like this,
for it to and I don't want to use the
word ending but for it, lack of.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Better words, it just goes to the next Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
The closing of this chapter, yes, and you know using
you said like, you've had two amazing relationships with your sidekicks,
Richie and Jack. But to be honest, the reason that
we're able to do what we do for you now
is because you've helped us build that. You've given asked
the space to do that. And I think you've done
the same with both those two.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's the join It is too far for me. It's
doing the show and performing the show and turn stories
and being funny.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I absolutely love that.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
But the other big thing, and I've only realized that
since I came here when I really did have to
build a team completely from scratch and all at the
same time, which is crazy. You don't know what you
never found, never done that. You have a team, someone goes,
you bring an other person rather than people coming and going.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
In the first two or three years was just crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But it really made me understand the leadership and the
leader I needed to be more. And I didn't realize
how much joy I would get from finding people and
coaching them and bringing them all and seeing that has
just transformed me and now launched my own coaching business
next year. I'll be doing more that in the second
half of this year. But that to me, seeing the
right of you two has been such a joy in
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the last couple of years, so much fun, you know,
and just seeing just like you know, you're such unique
voices in radio and I've never heard that before and
it's really interesting and your your stages of life are
completely different to me, and it really lights me up
hearing those voices. And Kate, you've got this beautiful energy
and you really really are so funny and so honest,
(18:32):
and hearing that's been great and rio my word, the
change in you and the evolution of you as a
person then in someone in front of a microphone, that's
just incredible, really really really smart and funny and just
yeah you too. The show is it has got a
very bright future. And then whoever this mystery thing is
a thing, it's a being. Whoever there is you know
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what fascinates me. It will be somebody, Yes, don't even
know who that is. There was a world where there
was no Jack. There was a world only almost seven
years ago, because actually exactly seven years ago this week,
we had only just left the UK to begin our.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Journey moving here.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's bizarre, actually, I like Jack leaving this Friday, the
very next day mark seven years of me arriving here.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, it's so.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Crazy what's just happened in the last seven years of
like us actually just being here. So I'm excited for Jack,
and I'm also really excited about us. I hope that
people listening to lists can pick up from us that
there is genuine, there is real sorry about Jack going.
I'm going to miss him immensely, but I'm also so
excited he's happy.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You know, And I said that to him.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I said to him Sunday, Look, you know, I'm really
really going to miss you, deeply miss you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
But more importantly, I'm happy that he just feels freer. Yeah,
And you don't.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Want for someone you care about, You only want them
to be free. And I want to be free. And
I think on some level I knew this year he
wasn't quite happy, and so I think that's why. Actually,
when I really thought about it Thursday evening, I was wildly.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Going through so many emotions.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
But actually, as I went to bed, I went to
bed happy because I knew, God, he's finally done the
decision that actually one of us would have had to make,
and it'd have hated it if it was a year
from now and it's me having to say to him
this, this isn't working anymore. It would have crushed the pair
of us that call. It was better that he made
the courageous decision, and it is to really have the
real courage to listen to a deep inner knowing even
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when everyone else around him is going, what are you doing?
The show's number one, there's bigger times ahead of well,
you've done the hard yars and he knows I know
all of that, and I still must go.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
There's incredible courage of that.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
That's him finding his heart.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
That's him really showing a strength that I think he's
found only recently as well, and that comes through tough
times as well. And I'm proud of him for actually
following his heart and the calling, even if he doesn't
even know where that goes. There's something beautifully inspirational about
the way Jack leaves.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Absolutely, yeah, I've never known it in twenty seven years,
anyone do that. Don't think I ever will again.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
But Jack's always walk to the beat of his own
drum and my god, he's doing.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
That way, So.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Joy what comes next, and we can also enjoin saying
goodbye to Jackie boy. This week, we've literally just had
a meeting about an insane idea that I so happens
that I will only say now we are calling the
a very grand departure. Stay tuned if you have any
questions for me. Hopefully this does reassure you I am not. Also,
(21:28):
a couple of said, are you looking to leave or
change with that? I am here for a very long time, yes,
and I mean many years.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
That contract I signed winningly.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Okay, it's because a lot of people said, you know,
Jack was talking about the hours being a marathon, and
do you see it like that?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
No.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I have a very different connection to what this is
than Jack. I always have had.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You know, in any job that you do a lot
over a long time, there's wear and tear. But you
guys know, there's no one more passionate and driven than me. No,
you never had to sort of boot me up in
the morning. I don't think you ever would have seen that.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
No ever.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Ever, I'm more worried about you.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
When you have the show. But you don't because there'll
always be something.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I'm never going to sit there whitling would there be
a book coaching some version of me dribbling into a
microphone At nine hundred and sixty two, when I saw
Tom Cruise say yesterday he's going to make movies in
just hundreds, I was like, probably shout to be mumbling
into a microphone to somebody somewhere in the world, or
actually even just to myself.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, but yeah, No, I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I choose to be here, and the next couple of
years are going to be super exciting as well. I'm
ready for the next bit as well. All Right, thank
you very much for listening. You got in questions and
I think you want to say about any of this.
Email me Christian at Christian O'Connor dot com dot a youth.
Thank you very much all the lovely messages. Thanks you
can about the show as well, and all the lovely
things you've been saying about the show and Jack. I
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really appreciate that. I know you're going to miss him.
We will as well. But honestly, trust me, the show
isn't going anywhere and it won't really massively change that much.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
But anyway, you'll see take care of.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
App Got anything good?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey, this is the Christian O'Connell show podcast, So I
thought we just do this mini podcast. This is a
mini podcast about the news that's going to announce this
week on the show that Jack of his own record,
is leaving the show. Nothing else has happened other than
last week. He called me genuinely out of blue on
(00:40):
a Wednesday afternoon and actually just blew up his whole
life and said, I think I need to leave the show.
And so we had a lot of chats over the
next two or three days. I asked him to take
the restless week off last week off while he worked
through it, but I knew his heart was it. He'd
been this is something that's been troubling him for a while,
and he said on the show that there's a calling
(01:02):
for him to leave. There is nothing lined up for Jack,
which a lot of people are struggling over that bit.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
However, it's in the.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Almost seven years of me doing the show, this is
the biggest thing for the show in a way of
like losing you know, It started literally from show one
with Pats and Jack, and Jack was the very first
person I hired as I built the team. So it's
a moment in the show's history and also our lives
together as well. Since you guys have been working on
(01:30):
the show, but a lot a lot of questions are
coming into me about how do I really feel? What
are we going to do on the show. So I thought,
rather than people trying to email me, we could do
a quick episode for people to hear where I'm at
with it, how you guys are feeling, and hopefully that
can reassure people.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, definitely for me, it felt like this, and it
kind of came to me this morning as we kicked
off the show, is I feel like I'm breaking up
with someone that I'm still in love with. So, like,
I love Jack Deely and he's amazing. I'm sure he
feels the same, but it's best for the both of
us that we go our separate ways. And so that's
kind of the analogy that I've been using to make
(02:06):
sense of it in my brain, because, like you, we
found out on that Wednesa, well that the next Thursday that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Sorry, the day I did the show, and you guys
didn't know. I did the show and I just said, look,
there's something going on. Jack isn't on the show today.
And then I told you guys afterwards. But I think
you saw from how I was Thursday. I was shocked
but also at peace with his decision, because people keep
saying to me, you must be very disappointed, you must
be very angry, but so much into list and I
keep telling people I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Genuinely not not at all.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And you guys saw me Thursday and then after Friday show,
and so I am. I was, and he almost left
the show. We never really talked about this. Jack almost
left the show two years ago, and I urged him
to think about it, and we were just about to
have two weeks off from the show, so I said, look,
we're having a break anyway, come back and let me
know your answer. But I was okay with him leaving then,
(02:55):
even though obviously I wanted to work with him and
hoped we'd be working for many more years ago that
I never thought it'd be a mega long term one,
seemly because he's really struggled with the hours, you know,
and it's been We've talked about that a lot on
the show. So I never thought it was a long,
long term thing. I saw thought it would be another
couple of years. And I was stunned when he called
me last Wednesday. There'd been no warning. But actually, as
he said, he'd been talking this through with his wife
(03:16):
and he's been working it through a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
But I also, one thing you also know about me
is no one gets more energized.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And comes alive through transitions and change.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I live for that.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, Otherwise I wouldn't be here on a stray with
you guys. I would have stayed on a show that
had two and a half million listeners that was going
very well. I walked out on that show and didn't
know how to work out with Jack. I just hired him,
didn't know how to work out with Pats, hired you
two guys in very different reasons, and didn't know how
to work out with you guys. But I kind of
get excited by managing the changes, even if it's not
(03:50):
ones you choose to make.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, And so a lot of people aren't like that.
I certainly don't like change. What helps you through that, like,
for example, when you got that phone call from Jack,
Obviously you go through the stages of losing someone, At
what point do you get to go, Oh, I actually
I'm really excited about this and I'm looking forward to
(04:13):
life after Jack on the show.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
At first, it was sort of shocked because it was
so sudden, and then actually, what really happens is I
had to start calling sort of senior management and people
like that and sort of speak to them about it
and then try and see what they thought about it.
They just would take a lot of their lead from me,
and it was very clear that Jack had made his
mind up as well. And one thing I rang Jack back,
(04:37):
and it wasn't a financial thing, and I asked him
to sleep on it.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Even though it's I don't think I'm going to change
your mind. I went to sleep on it.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Doesn't just do me that courtesy, But I knew he
was his mind was made up because I just know
how Jack is, and I knew that for him to
call me like that, he'd obviously done a lot of
work leading up to it's not an easy call to make.
And so I wanted if this was going to be
the end, I wanted our relationship to be how I've
always been with Jack, which is honest but also deeply loving,
with Jack as well. What started off as a mentor
(05:07):
ship became a very deep, soulful friendship.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I've had Jack through some of it.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, I know he said about, you know, the dark
souls of his life, and so we've grown through that together,
not just the radio partnership.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
So my think, my wish for.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Anyone who work with is only want you to be
free and happy, and that can't just always be with me.
I don't own Jack, He doesn't owe me anything. I
just begged him to follow what was in his heart. Yeah,
and if it was to leave, then he must leave.
And he mustn't worry about me, because I think he
was very worried that. Oh and people don't know this,
but we've got some really big stuff happening over the
(05:41):
next couple of years for this show that I've been
driving and pushing for for a couple of years. And
so Jack was walking out knowing that actually there was
exciting times ahead, and I really admired his courage that
he was honoring what's in him.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I don't know if I would have done that.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Talking to Jack on Thursday, it was the most at
peace I've heard him in a really long time. And
it's funny that you can hear that stuff just in
someone's voice in a phone call. And for us, it
was really difficult to understand. Like you said, exciting stuff
coming through. We all have such a good time on
the show every day, so it really blindsided a lot
of us.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
But then and I didn't understand.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I couldn't make any sense of it. And then it's
funny without him really explaining too much about it, just
hearing the tone in his voice, I immediately understood and like, oh,
you you need this. This is going to be, you know,
a really I think a positive change for Jack. And
then from everything else after that, it is just so
much easy to understand. And yes, I am really happy
(06:42):
for him. In a really strange way, I think I'm
sad for losing, you know, such a close friend at work.
I'm sure we'll still be friends afterwards. But yeah, I
think the overwhelming feeling that I feel now is I'm
really happy for Jack.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, it's the right decision for Jake, and therefore what
he does affects us as well and has a repercussion,
so why would we be upset?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It says what you want to do, Yeah, I don't
want to hang out with anyone on this amazing show
that we have, that we build together. It doesn't want
to be here. I know you must go. Yeah, you
don't even look back, just go, because actually then it
releases me to do what I should do next. And
so over the last couple of years I have thought
of out, there's the thing that I really want to
do with the show, almost did it last year, even
(07:25):
met somebody that I was going to hire. It just
wasn't right. And so the show is going really well.
So I left it, and so I do know what
I want to do next. And I can reassure everybody
there is going to be no big replacement for jackposts
like that. It isn't going to be like that. The
next evolution for this show will be something far more
subtler that most of you won't even strictly recognize as
(07:46):
There is going to be no big next hire. It
just isn't needed the way you two are coming on
as well, I don't need to rush into anything. I
have an idea of what of who I want to
bring in next, not an actually specific person, but actually
in terms of how they would join the show, and
then I'll just see how that goes. If that doesn't
work out, then I'll just move the next thing and
(08:06):
see how that goes. It was the same with how
it's always been.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Jack and I met up Sunday of the weekend before
he came in on Monday show to announce that he's left,
and I said to Jack, you mustn't worry about me, okay,
because I feel so guilty. You've got a lot going
on right now. I said, you mustn't worry about me,
because I will be okay. And he said, oh, no,
you will because actually this is what you love doing,
and you it's the joy of building it. And bizarrely,
two weeks ago, I said to my wife I feel
(08:30):
quite flat at the moment at work, and I said
I need something new to build, and they said, I'd
be really careful what you wish for, because suddenly it
came crashing in and my wife looked at me and
her favorite word is.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And I was like, damn it. I've been looking to
get my sleeves rolled up again to rebuild.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's like I built the house, so I did have
built this house, and so it's a chance for a reno.
We don't need to flatten the place. Yes, you know,
it's just it's something else, a bit subtler, and that
I've got to be honest. I am heartbroken, but I'm
heartbroken in the right way. Yes, it's heart it's not
a heartbreak whatsoever. That's something else. That's that's a friend
or a family men being ill. That's really heartbreaking. This
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isn't that.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
This is a heart Yeah. I'm going to miss him.
I love doing it with him, but I'm also really energized.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I said to him today, I'm really energized by working
out what i want to do next. And he actually
said to me, got two before. He said that really
helps me because otherwise he's there worrying about me, and
I am, okay, quite the heart to tell him about. Bizarrely,
I ended up chatting to someone yesterday. I was chatting
to somebody else saying, this is roughly what I'm going
to be looking for next and I'm going to be
announcing it on next Monday show a national search for
(09:40):
this kind of new possible team member and rolling the
shut and so I said, oh, you should chat to
this guy. And so I spoke to someone yesterday completely.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Out of the blue. Really lit me up.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Really lit me up, and I was like, I don't
know if he's going to be the person, but it
really just excited me the thought of building something new,
bringing someone in and working out how do we find
a way to this, because.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Actually that's life.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It is very much.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I remember listening to this great audiobook about change in
life called Find Me a Straight River, and it's basically
about how in nature there's no straight lines and there
is therefore in our lives there's no straight lines. There
twists and turns, and sometimes you look back and go,
my god, do you remember how he felt about that?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
First?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And then very quickly it meant that happened, and then
look where we are now. There's too many there's too
many times and chances of that in the last twenty
seven years of my life. Where you work with someone,
they're with you day in, day out, you and each
other's lives, and then they go or you move on,
and then everything always works.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Out for the better.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, this show has from when I've started, and I've
been here for three three and a half years now,
We've always evolved the show in different ways, whether it's
removing a benchmark and bringing something.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
New in or bringing I'm constantly looking.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Constantly doing that, and that refreshes this show. And this
is just a new evolution for our shot. Whilst it's
a bigger one, it's just another one. And so I
think that's what kind of helps us all, as we said,
our happy sadness, to move through that and be excited
for the future, which we all are. And funnily enough,
I was thinking about this yesterday when he started on
(11:09):
this show and met you, and he talks about this
in his post, saying that you are a monumental, monumental
person and.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Mental, you know, and both are monumentally mental.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Both are true in his life and his thirties. Weirdly enough,
because of what you've taught him in his time here.
I think that's allowed him to be so true to
himself in his heart to make this decision, which is
so poetic in a way. And I can't I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Betful you noticed that, because Jack actually said to me Sunday,
he said, I said, that must have been really hard
to make those phone calls because I had to do that,
you know, when I had to move here. I had
to ring Richie, who I've been with for years, you know,
twelve years and then before that, seven years before that
first person first psychic ever had in radio, and then
we went our separate ways, and then I hired him
(12:03):
again many years later and we were together for yeah,
eleven years. So a big part of my life to
ring to go out of nowhere, I'm leaving the show.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Oh where are you going? Why can't I come? Now?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I'm going to Australia, And it just crushed me because
I realized that then there'd be no job for him
as well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Now he got a job, but it was like there was.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
A while there where there it was looked like there'd
be no job for him, and so I had all
this guilt that I'd given him no warning, and also
he was like we were best friends. And also I worried,
what if I don't ever get it that good again
on the other side of the world, I've got to
hire someone.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It's so rare you find these relationships where you just
catch fire together and if you're lucky, you get a
couple of them in your lifetime. And I've had a couple,
and I didn't know whether will I ever have that again?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Not just that in England. Whenever I'm hiring.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's inundated with people because I built up a very
big sort of show there. People really wanted with me here,
no one knew me, no one cared, and so it's
very hard. In the early days, actually there was no
back history for me here, so no one knew do
we really need do we buy into his vision? And
we don't know if he's going to make it here,
so it's all like building it from scratch. And Jack, actually,
(13:13):
to be honest, was a boy and I started working
to him. He'd been on an afternoon show where you know,
they had a massive team as the biggest radio show
in Australia.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
He wasn't really certainly wasn't used.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
To working at the pace that I go at as well,
and so I think at first it was like him
struggling on a treadmill that just appeared to be like, oh.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Wait, is he just going to be like this? No, no, no,
it's always like this. And then there was like, so where's.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
The run sheet? We don't need a run sheet. Nothing
needs to be agreed or lockdown the day before. And
so his evolution and a growing up and stuff like
that has actually been a marvel to see, to be honest,
and then the fact that he can ring me and
do that. And at first I was hurt that he
hadn't told me before, but then I realized my voice
has influenced in his life, and I've got no part
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being I never would have strong armed him to staying,
but I think I kind of did it a bit
two years ago. To an extent, even though it wasn't
like stay, you make a mistake, I think I think
I probably did have some influence of staying. And so
I realized that actually it's not my job to make
that decision for him. And if I persuade him to say,
I'll be doing out my own interests, and that is
something else I'd never.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Do with any of you.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, yeah, exactly like you just said, you don't want
anyone here that doesn't want to be here, And it's
not that he does.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Do you look at his shoes there. I didn't just
get out with him. No, I want to be here
in that chair.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It looks so much.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Mac attack in the morning.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
But also, do you know what, I'm not sure I
would be right now as energized if you two hadn't
come on hugely that you have no no, no, you
really have. You must felt like last Thursday and Friday
doing those two shows, and obviously you knew suddenly after
Thursday show we then have to come back and he's going, yeah,
he's going in a week's time with all that going on,
(15:08):
you two made two brilliant shows with me. You must
have felt your powers then, like we've not only got
this a Christian we've got this for ourselves now and
in our career past.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
And you can be honest about that.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah you get read.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I think yeah, those Thursday Friday shows, it was a
different energy. Not a better energy or a worse energy,
but it's just a different energy. And we talk about
sort of the next evolution and it was a bit
of a window looking in and say, oh this is
what this is what it can be, you know, on
a regular basis, And it was a Friday show was wild,
(15:41):
like it was just it was insane.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
There was this strange, kiddy energy I've never had before
we never get again. It was like I think it
was us sort of not physically, but on some energies
were high fiving each other, going we're going to have
so much fun. Yeah we're going to be okay, Yeah,
it's good. For him, and it's really great for us
as well. It's a win win, What beautiful way to
(16:04):
end any partnership where he moves on to whatever he
wants to do and we will into the next bit.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It's not going to be a struggle to work at all.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
The seeds of it already starting to blossom with you
two anyway.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's very clear to me.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
And free wheeled, I think is a perfect word. I
always probably i'd feel about Thursday Friday. It was a
really free wheeling show and.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's what happens.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Like you know, Jack talks about having space for himself,
and I think that's similar for us, Like take something
out and now there's just a bit more space to
find out, you know what is there. So I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I'm really excited.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You too, deserve you're a bigger future on the show.
You're both really ready for it now as well. And
so actually what Jack's done is he's added something back
to you too and me as well. Yeah, and I
think there's something really beautiful about that. It really goes
like that.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, we're so lucky for it to be like this,
for it to and I don't want to use the
word ending but for it, lack of.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Better words, it just goes to the next Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
The closing of this chapter, yes, and you know using
you said like, you've had two amazing relationships with your sidekicks,
Richie and Jack. But to be honest, the reason that
we're able to do what we do for you now
is because you've helped us build that. You've given asked
the space to do that. And I think you've done
the same with both those two.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's the join It is too far for me. It's
doing the show and performing the show and turn stories
and being funny.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I absolutely love that.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
But the other big thing, and I've only realized that
since I came here when I really did have to
build a team completely from scratch and all at the
same time, which is crazy. You don't know what you
never found, never done that. You have a team, someone goes,
you bring an other person rather than people coming and going.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
In the first two or three years was just crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But it really made me understand the leadership and the
leader I needed to be more. And I didn't realize
how much joy I would get from finding people and
coaching them and bringing them all and seeing that has
just transformed me and now launched my own coaching business
next year. I'll be doing more that in the second
half of this year. But that to me, seeing the
right of you two has been such a joy in
(18:10):
the last couple of years, so much fun, you know,
and just seeing just like you know, you're such unique
voices in radio and I've never heard that before and
it's really interesting and your your stages of life are
completely different to me, and it really lights me up
hearing those voices. And Kate, you've got this beautiful energy
and you really really are so funny and so honest,
(18:32):
and hearing that's been great and rio my word, the
change in you and the evolution of you as a
person then in someone in front of a microphone, that's
just incredible, really really really smart and funny and just
yeah you too. The show is it has got a
very bright future. And then whoever this mystery thing is
a thing, it's a being. Whoever there is you know
(18:55):
what fascinates me. It will be somebody, Yes, don't even
know who that is. There was a world where there
was no Jack. There was a world only almost seven
years ago, because actually exactly seven years ago this week,
we had only just left the UK to begin our.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Journey moving here.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's bizarre, actually, I like Jack leaving this Friday, the
very next day mark seven years of me arriving here.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, it's so.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Crazy what's just happened in the last seven years of
like us actually just being here. So I'm excited for Jack,
and I'm also really excited about us. I hope that
people listening to lists can pick up from us that
there is genuine, there is real sorry about Jack going.
I'm going to miss him immensely, but I'm also so
excited he's happy.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You know, And I said that to him.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I said to him Sunday, Look, you know, I'm really
really going to miss you, deeply miss you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
But more importantly, I'm happy that he just feels freer. Yeah,
And you don't.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Want for someone you care about, You only want them
to be free. And I want to be free. And
I think on some level I knew this year he
wasn't quite happy, and so I think that's why. Actually,
when I really thought about it Thursday evening, I was wildly.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Going through so many emotions.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
But actually, as I went to bed, I went to
bed happy because I knew, God, he's finally done the
decision that actually one of us would have had to make,
and it'd have hated it if it was a year
from now and it's me having to say to him
this, this isn't working anymore. It would have crushed the pair
of us that call. It was better that he made
the courageous decision, and it is to really have the
real courage to listen to a deep inner knowing even
(20:29):
when everyone else around him is going, what are you doing?
The show's number one, there's bigger times ahead of well,
you've done the hard yars and he knows I know
all of that, and I still must go.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
There's incredible courage of that.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
That's him finding his heart.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
That's him really showing a strength that I think he's
found only recently as well, and that comes through tough
times as well. And I'm proud of him for actually
following his heart and the calling, even if he doesn't
even know where that goes. There's something beautifully inspirational about
the way Jack leaves.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Absolutely, yeah, I've never known it in twenty seven years,
anyone do that. Don't think I ever will again.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
But Jack's always walk to the beat of his own
drum and my god, he's doing.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
That way, So.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Joy what comes next, and we can also enjoin saying
goodbye to Jackie boy. This week, we've literally just had
a meeting about an insane idea that I so happens
that I will only say now we are calling the
a very grand departure. Stay tuned if you have any
questions for me. Hopefully this does reassure you I am not. Also,
(21:28):
a couple of said, are you looking to leave or
change with that? I am here for a very long time, yes,
and I mean many years.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
That contract I signed winningly.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Okay, it's because a lot of people said, you know,
Jack was talking about the hours being a marathon, and
do you see it like that?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
No.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I have a very different connection to what this is
than Jack. I always have had.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You know, in any job that you do a lot
over a long time, there's wear and tear. But you
guys know, there's no one more passionate and driven than me. No,
you never had to sort of boot me up in
the morning. I don't think you ever would have seen that.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
No ever.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Ever, I'm more worried about you.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
When you have the show. But you don't because there'll
always be something.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I'm never going to sit there whitling would there be
a book coaching some version of me dribbling into a
microphone At nine hundred and sixty two, when I saw
Tom Cruise say yesterday he's going to make movies in
just hundreds, I was like, probably shout to be mumbling
into a microphone to somebody somewhere in the world, or
actually even just to myself.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, but yeah, No, I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I choose to be here, and the next couple of
years are going to be super exciting as well. I'm
ready for the next bit as well. All Right, thank
you very much for listening. You got in questions and
I think you want to say about any of this.
Email me Christian at Christian O'Connor dot com dot a youth.
Thank you very much all the lovely messages. Thanks you
can about the show as well, and all the lovely
things you've been saying about the show and Jack. I
(22:56):
really appreciate that. I know you're going to miss him.
We will as well. But honestly, trust me, the show
isn't going anywhere and it won't really massively change that much.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
But anyway, you'll see take care of.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Thanks and O'Connell shower on podcast.
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