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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Some say it's too long, some say it's too short.
What I'll tell you is the AFL trade period gunners
more chatter, more buzz, and more hype and hysteria than
almost anything across the sporting calendar here in this country.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You can go across any sport in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
The transfer windows of European soccer, whether it be free
agency in the NBA, the NFL, Major.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
League Baseball, or the hockey, whatever it is, even the.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Transfer portal in the college sporting ranks, it goes mad.
People love trying to be the least manager, be the
general manager, be the person who makes their team go
from good to great or great to elite. That's what
we're here for. The trade period in the AFL. It's
an absolute monster. It's an absolute juggernaut, and it's almost finished.
(01:06):
My name is Jay j As I said, perhaps in
this trade period with like a true superstar, if you like,
but there's no shortage of headline acts.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Some will be moved, some.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Might need to go back to their clubs with their
tail between their legs. But today I want to get
across most of the big time names, the big headline acts,
and also a few things as I've been doing a
fold trade radio with Damian Barrett and Brad Johnson and
a little bit of Mark Bickley. Some themes that have
(01:39):
been just raising their head a little bit. Some things
that I think can be used in the future, Some
things clubs can use to gain a little bit more
leverage back from the players who are certainly in power
in the modern day age of trading. So let's get
stuck into a few of those. When I'm sitting down
here on a Mony night at almost half past eight,
(02:03):
I'm doing so with a sore neck. But secondly, and
more importantly, of course, it is eight thirty on a Monday,
so most of what you are maybe watching some may
have happened, some may not have happened, but certainly you'll
have more information.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So as I see here on Monday.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Night at eight thirty, this is what I know, and
this is what I can tell you. I want to
start with these themes before we get into the players
who may or may not get dealt Why are clubs
extending players on long term contracts? It's been all the rage,
the chatter about long term deals. Are they bad for
(02:40):
the game? Are they bad for clubs? King Corn himself
has been on his high horse about them for quite
some time. I want to talk about why they're actually
a positive from the club's perspective. We've seen Jacob Wheering,
We've seen Noah Bolta, We've seen Max King, We've seen
countless others sign long term deals over the last couple
(03:00):
of weeks, a couple of months, couple of years. I
signed a five year contract extension way back in the
middle to end of twenty and sixteen, and that was
considered a long deal at the time. Now we're seeing
five and six and seven and eight on the red
on the norm. So why is it perhaps even a
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good thing for the clubs. We know why it's a
good thing for the player, but why is it a
good thing for the club? It buys the player out
of free agency. So we're seeing clubs come with unbelievable
amounts of money.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
But players are who are free agents.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Harry Perriman reportedly on nine hundred thousand dollars, Josh Battle
reportedly on a similar amount. We're seeing clubs identify free
agents and say we'll give you two hundred and fifty
three hundred thousand dollars a year more than you might
be worth because we don't have to trade for you.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You're a free agent.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
We give up nothing to get you, and the price
and the premium that clubs are putting on those guys
is through the roof. So you buy a player out
of free agency. So Max King's never going to hit
free agency. Jacob Wetering the same. So Carlton will never
be in a situation where Jacob Weeding is a free
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agent and he'd be a restricted free agent and Richmond,
for example, could come in and offer him one point
five million dollars a year and Carlton just simply can't
match it. There's no risk of that because he is
contracted for six years, so you're not going to get
someone identify him as a free agent and just go boom,
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here's the number Carlton can't match. So you're buying good
players out of free agency. You're making sure you don't
have to deal with that godfather offer that comes for
a free agent that you can't match. It also keeps
them from having to cop or be a part of
what may happen with the Bailey Smith situation.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'm sitting down on a Monday night, two days or
two nights almost exactly before the trade period, and Bailey
Smith may well walk to the draft. The Dogs might
in the end except seventeen. They might get seventeen and
something else. But the Dogs feel like they're getting unders.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
No matter what.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Now, if he moves himself to the draft, they are
getting unders because they're getting nothing. But this is what
happens conversely to not extending players on long term deals,
this is what can happen when you're trying to deal
trade a player who's out of contract. You've got next
to no leverage because the threat or the reality, however
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you want to look at it, of the player going
to the draft and getting to where they want to
go for free is there. We know it doesn't happen much,
but it's there. The dog's risk standing on their high horse,
proclaiming to the world that they won't be handled and
dealt with and bullied by other clubs. So they send
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they walk Bailey Smith to the draft. Well guess what,
Dogs fans, what do you get if he walks through
the draft?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You get nothing. You get nothing.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And that's another reason why we're seeing clubs put these
guys in contract for a long time so you don't
risk losing a player for nothing or unders or well unders. Now,
you're not going to contract every player for a long
time because some simply aren't worth it, but so many
are and that's why we're seeing it happen. The other thing,
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and maybe the least relevant, is you're tying players down,
most likely at a figure that if they play the
way you expect them to play over the course of
their four, five, six, seven years, you probably get them
for under market rate in the back half of that deal.
So if Jacob Wetering plays to his potential for those
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six years, I've got almost no doubt you're getting him
for under market.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Value in the back half of that deal.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So there's some reasons why it might actually be beneficial
for the clubs to contract these guys' long term.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Moving on, nominating a destination.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
This is the other thing that I found really interesting
this trade period. Why can't we have players nominated state instead.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Of a club. I hear the arguments I want to
play in big games.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I want to go from Port Adelaide aka Dan Houston
to Carlton or Collingwood, not North Melbourne. Well, if I'm
North Melbourne, this is what I say to Dan Houston. Well,
we think you can help us playing big games. You
can help take us to Friday night and Thursday night footy.
You can be a part of that for us to
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get us there so that you can play in those
big games. I'm just yet to hear. And I've been
asking Damo, and I've been asking some of the callers
and some of the people who work in and on
trade radio, what's the counter argument to players only being
able to nominate a state or a jurisdiction. Now, if
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you're moving from Adelaide or Perth or Queensland back to Melbourne,
and you don't want to go to Geelong, that's fair enough.
You want to be in Melbourne, that's fair enough. But
there are what nine clubs in Melbourne? I get this
number wrong all the time. There are more than one
or two clubs in Melbourne. So why can't Port Adelaide,
in the Dan Houston situation deal with all the clubs
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in Melbourne? Why can't clubs who might have a player
from Sydney who wants to get back to Melbourne. He's
a big name player. You can only deal him to
the club he nominates, not all the clubs in Melbourne.
To get the best possible capital in return for the player.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm not sure why.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I know at the moment the actual reason why is
the players need to sign off from the club. But
as we move into a phase where the club's need
and certainly want, more leverage and more power in these negotiations,
why can't Lean Baker and Shay Bolton nominate Western Australia
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rather than Fremantle and West Coast in particular? Last time
I checked, they're in the same state, they're in the
same city. You're going to be doing the same job
playing footy. The money might be the same. I don't
understand why we can't get to that space and get
to that place where players can only nominate destinations, not
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specific clubs, because it is restricting a lot of the movement.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
At the moment.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
There are clubs and players who can't get moved to
where they want to go because the club doesn't have
the capital to make it happen, and we're restricted with
how far down the track we can trade our future picks.
So that's potentially why Christian Petrarca doesn't get moved out
of Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
There aren't enough.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Future picks accessible to clubs who might be chasing him.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So let me know.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I'm not sure what you think on that one, but
let me know. Leave a comment in the comments section.
Do you think players should only be allowed to nominate
a destination rather than a specific club? And the last
one I want to talk sorry two more the last note.
In fact, it is the last topic before we get
stuck into the players who are on the move. Why
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and how do we assess a trade for a highly
paid player, So veterans on big cash or veterans at
the back end of big time deals. And there are
some in this trade period who fit the bill. Jack McCrae,
Caleb Daniel, Clayton Oliver who won't be moved, but he
fits the bill. So players who might in the back half,
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or might have some years remaining on a contract.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And then you may see the deal and you think, gee,
that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
That's a fair bit to give up for a player
of his age and stature. Well, that's not a lot
to give up for a player of his age and
his stature. Typically you've got to follow the money. Now
we'll never truly know, but there won't be long until
we've got a time where every club in the AFL.
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All eighteen clubs in the AFL are paying for someone
to play for another team. Some call it a salary dump.
I think it's a bit more than that. It's a
bit more. It's a little bit more specific than that.
These days, it's not just purely a salary dump where
a player is moved so this club can save its
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cap space.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
But when you have a look at.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Some of these deals, if you see a Jack McCrae
moved for a pick thirty, for example, well then I
think you know that the Dogs who receive pick thirty
and you can you think that's overs You know that
the Dogs are likely paying a fair bit of that salary. Equally,
if you see him moved for almost nothing, or you
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slide back only a few picks in the draft, then
you know maybe the new club that Jack McCray has
gone to is picking up most of that tab. That's
a great little tail tail sign in terms of these deals,
when you want to know who's picking up the tab
and we've heard some you know, Brody Grundy's been in
this scenario. There have been other players along the way,
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myself included, who have been in this sort of situation.
Where it's been one. They're old club paying some of
the bill and the new club paying some of the bill. Because,
believe it or not, if you sign a contract at
your club of origin five years five million, you aren't
guaranteed to get that five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
You're guaranteed it in some ways. But if you are
willing to.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Move and the old club, the old club, needs to
pay some of the contract, what you need to do
you basically rip up your five years five million. You
need to negotiate a new term and a new contract
with your old club, and a new term and a
new contract with your new club.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So your old club might say, we'll.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Pay you for five years because that's what we owe you,
but we'll pay you.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Four hundred grand of the million.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And then the new club says, well, we'll only pay
you four hundred grand as well. That's all we can afford.
So your decision is, do I go back to the
club I don't want to be at and get my
five years five million, or do I go to the
club I want to be at and get five years
eight hundred thousand a year and leave two hundred thousand
dollars a year or a million overall on the table.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
That's a decision you've got to make.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And that's why you're hear at Clayton olev are willing
to take a pay cut to get to where he
wants to go. If he stays, he's not taking a
nickel less, he's not taking a dime less. But that's
some of the stuff that goes on behind the scenes,
and those are some of the telltale signs when you
might see a deal for an aging player and you
think she that's a strange old trade. Follow the money
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and it might assist you in terms of working out
what's right. Now. Let's get suck into some of these players,
Bailey Smith. Across the weekend, we learned through the papers
that the Dogs were seeking a top ten pick. We
know they're not going to get that. We know they're
more likely to get nothing than they are to get
a top ten pick.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So we shall see.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
We shall see does Bailey Smith go for seventeen, does
he go for seventeen and a bit more, or does
he go to the draft.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's one that's going to go right down to the why.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Because both clubs, Geelong feel like they're in the box
seat and the Dogs want to stand up for themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Clayton Oliver, this deal is not dead in the water,
I reckon.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
There's a phone call a day on this one behind
the scenes, but it's close enough to dead in the water.
The days of walk back their decision to shop him.
They don't want to pay him to play elsewhere, which
means Geelong or anyone else would have to stump up
one point.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Four a year for six years.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Otherwise Olive Art would have to take a significant short
back and sides on that salary. And he shouldn't do that.
He shouldn't do that. The Cats have got very little
draft capital. They're prioritizing Balley Smith anyhow, So this deal
I reckon comes up one more time. I think we'll
hear about it one more time in a legitimate fashion,
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but I doubt there's anything genuinely meaty about it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But I guess this.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Time next year, if things aren't improved, expect to hear
about it again. Shape Bolton. Now Bolton and Baker seem
seemed to be scooped up in the same deal. Frioh,
we're on the move, offering ten, eleven and eighteen to
the Tigers for the Premiership Stars Bolton's got three years
to run on a deal. His mind is already in
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wa He will get there. He will definitely get there.
He's what Fremantle need. He's a match winner, he's a
goal scorer. He's got freak talents, freak abilities. Put him
in that Dusty Martin striker role with Freemantle and I
think he will be a force next year. Basically, right
off twenty twenty four he was disinterested. They were losing,
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they were getting beaten. Life was tough for him. Put
him at Fremantle where he's enthused, he's got a new
contract most likely, and they're winning some games and I
think you'll see the best version of Shaye Bolton. Where
it comes to Liam Baker, he wants to follow Andrew
mcqualter to the Eagles. The problem is the pick the
Eagles expected to land for Tom Barris is now elsewhere
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and Liam Baker needed to potentially get his head around
a move to Fremantle rather than West Coast. But they
tell me this deal will still get done and he
will still get to the West Coast to footy club.
I think he will captain that club at some stage. Yes,
Oscar Allen's there. I understand, but he looks like a captain,
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or at least a vice captain. To me, he plays
with heart, courage, he's humble and the way he goes
about it, he can play anyone can play half forward,
mid wing, half back. He's incredibly versatile. He'll be a
great pickup for the Eagles if they get him, and
he'd be a great pickout.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
For Freo if they could pinch him as well.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Dan Houston, everyone keeps telling me they know how good
he is, but then everyone balks at the asking price.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
This is what he is to me.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
He's a duel all Australian who is among the best kicks,
the most potent kicks in the competition.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
He's prolific.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
He's always around twenty two to twenty four to twenty
five disposals per game. He's got good size and in
my humble I think he could play as a genuine mid.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I think he could.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
We heard that about Zach Williams way back when that
he was going to go from half back to mid
didn't work. Now he's playing as a goal sneak. But
I think Houston is a better player than Zack Williams.
In fact, I know he is now Carlton have got
picks twelve and fourteen. Yep, they've got to make a
play for him. I'd be flat as if I was
a Carlton fan. Twenty nine years without a premiership and
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we came to go to the draft. What four to
wait another twenty nine years. We've got Kerno, We've got Walsh,
we've got Weeding, we've got Crips. Let's go and get
this thing done. Bring in Dan Houston. Make us better now,
don't make us better in four years with a kid
who may or may not make it. Collingwood are in
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the mix. They seem keen on Houston. They seen keen
her as well on Houston. So he's going to be
the big one to follow. As we move along. Late
on Monday night, it seems like Collingwood have made a
move and got themselves in the game for the all
important pick thirteen, which may unlock the Houston deal. Tom
barriss I mentioned him earlier, and this deal became problematic
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last week. Late last week when the Hawks just said, well,
sign Ara, we're trading our fourteen, We're trading our pick.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Good luck to you.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But most say the future first and future second, that
the Hawks did a chlor and Pick will do the
job quite nicely, and there's nothing to see here for
West Coast. Barris will get to the Hawks. But I
would give strong consideration. Now I know this is not
the dumb thing, and he was farewelled at the BNF
and this, that and the other. I would have no
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problem if I were West Coast in saying Tommy, come
on back, Come on back, big fella. You've played in
a premiership, you've been in our leadership group, You've got
deep roots in Perth, you're from Claremont, you've got a
family here, you're going to be a life member of
the club.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Come on back. If we don't get what we want
for you.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You've got three years to run on a deal you
probably paid seven eight hundred thousand dollars a year and
you deserve every penny.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Come on back.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This is the one i'd really push against if I
was West Coast. He's a contracted player. You don't have
to give him away. You won't lose him for unders,
So unless you get exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
What you want or more, come on back.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Jake Stringer, he's a name that's been bubbling around over
the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
G WS are the.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Team who seem legitimately keen on the goalkicking forward. But
I've got some reservations. He's chasing that two year contract
despite the fact he landed and ticked off a trigger
with Essendon for a twelve month extension. But if I'm GWS,
this is why I'm not keen or this is why
I'm lukewarm on the idea. Whose position will he take?
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Jesse Hogan and Toby Green speak for themselves, so he
can basically discount those two. Jake cannot ruck, so one
of Cadman or Riccardi must be in the team because
you need a backup ruck. So do you really want
Stringer taking Cadman's spot and leaving him vulnerable to opposition
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attacks next off season? Callum Brown probably seems the most
vulnerable player of those guys, but he's a twenty four
year old with immense upside endless upside in most phases
of the game. Jake, we know we'll kick goals. We
know he probably kicks thirty five plus next year for
whoever he plays for, but he doesn't contribute majorly in
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other phases of the game. For me, if I'm running gws,
which I'm not believed or not. I'm fine with the
forward line I've got. The ford line I've got is
not the issue. I've got great balance, I've got smalls,
I've got pressure players, I've got.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Calm and metal winning tools.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
My captain is there in the mix, who I hope
to get even more impact from next year. It's a
no from me when it comes to the package. They're
the main names still to be dealt. As I said
Monday night, eight forty three pm. Some of those guys
will be done and traded by the time you watch this.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Some may not.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And if you're watching this after the deadline, well you'll
have even more information about why some guys did and
did not get dealt. So I'm done, I'm out of here. Some,
as I said, look.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
On the path.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
They're getting there their way, their wish, getting to the
club of choice, and some won't anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
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Speaker 2 (22:48):
And the NFL each and every weekend goes bompers. Thanks
for watching. My name's JJ and we'll chat again soon.
Some say it's too long, some say it's too short.
What I'll tell you is the AFL trade period gunners
more chatter, more buzz, and more hype and hysteria than
almost anything across the sporting calendar here in this country.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You can go across any sport in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
The transfer windows of European soccer, whether it be free
agency in the NBA, the NFL, Major.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
League Baseball, or the hockey, whatever it is, even the.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Transfer portal in the college sporting ranks, it goes mad.
People love trying to be the least manager, be the
general manager, be the person who makes their team go
from good to great or great to elite. That's what
we're here for. The trade period in the AFL. It's
an absolute monster. It's an absolute juggernaut, and it's almost finished.
(01:06):
My name is Jay j As I said, perhaps in
this trade period with like a true superstar, if you like,
but there's no shortage of headline acts.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Some will be moved, some.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Might need to go back to their clubs with their
tail between their legs. But today I want to get
across most of the big time names, the big headline acts,
and also a few things as I've been doing a
fold trade radio with Damian Barrett and Brad Johnson and
a little bit of Mark Bickley. Some themes that have
(01:39):
been just raising their head a little bit. Some things
that I think can be used in the future, Some
things clubs can use to gain a little bit more
leverage back from the players who are certainly in power
in the modern day age of trading. So let's get
stuck into a few of those. When I'm sitting down
here on a Mony night at almost half past eight,
(02:03):
I'm doing so with a sore neck. But secondly, and
more importantly, of course, it is eight thirty on a Monday,
so most of what you are maybe watching some may
have happened, some may not have happened, but certainly you'll
have more information.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So as I see here on Monday.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Night at eight thirty, this is what I know, and
this is what I can tell you. I want to
start with these themes before we get into the players
who may or may not get dealt Why are clubs
extending players on long term contracts? It's been all the rage,
the chatter about long term deals. Are they bad for
(02:40):
the game? Are they bad for clubs? King Corn himself
has been on his high horse about them for quite
some time. I want to talk about why they're actually
a positive from the club's perspective. We've seen Jacob Wheering,
We've seen Noah Bolta, We've seen Max King, We've seen
countless others sign long term deals over the last couple
(03:00):
of weeks, a couple of months, couple of years. I
signed a five year contract extension way back in the
middle to end of twenty and sixteen, and that was
considered a long deal at the time. Now we're seeing
five and six and seven and eight on the red
on the norm. So why is it perhaps even a
(03:21):
good thing for the clubs. We know why it's a
good thing for the player, but why is it a
good thing for the club? It buys the player out
of free agency. So we're seeing clubs come with unbelievable
amounts of money.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
But players are who are free agents.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Harry Perriman reportedly on nine hundred thousand dollars, Josh Battle
reportedly on a similar amount. We're seeing clubs identify free
agents and say we'll give you two hundred and fifty
three hundred thousand dollars a year more than you might
be worth because we don't have to trade for you.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You're a free agent.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
We give up nothing to get you, and the price
and the premium that clubs are putting on those guys
is through the roof. So you buy a player out
of free agency. So Max King's never going to hit
free agency. Jacob Wetering the same. So Carlton will never
be in a situation where Jacob Weeding is a free
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agent and he'd be a restricted free agent and Richmond,
for example, could come in and offer him one point
five million dollars a year and Carlton just simply can't
match it. There's no risk of that because he is
contracted for six years, so you're not going to get
someone identify him as a free agent and just go boom,
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here's the number Carlton can't match. So you're buying good
players out of free agency. You're making sure you don't
have to deal with that godfather offer that comes for
a free agent that you can't match. It also keeps
them from having to cop or be a part of
what may happen with the Bailey Smith situation.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'm sitting down on a Monday night, two days or
two nights almost exactly before the trade period, and Bailey
Smith may well walk to the draft. The Dogs might
in the end except seventeen. They might get seventeen and
something else. But the Dogs feel like they're getting unders.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
No matter what.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Now, if he moves himself to the draft, they are
getting unders because they're getting nothing. But this is what
happens conversely to not extending players on long term deals,
this is what can happen when you're trying to deal
trade a player who's out of contract. You've got next
to no leverage because the threat or the reality, however
(05:44):
you want to look at it, of the player going
to the draft and getting to where they want to
go for free is there. We know it doesn't happen much,
but it's there. The dog's risk standing on their high horse,
proclaiming to the world that they won't be handled and
dealt with and bullied by other clubs. So they send
(06:05):
they walk Bailey Smith to the draft. Well guess what,
Dogs fans, what do you get if he walks through
the draft?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You get nothing. You get nothing.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And that's another reason why we're seeing clubs put these
guys in contract for a long time so you don't
risk losing a player for nothing or unders or well unders. Now,
you're not going to contract every player for a long
time because some simply aren't worth it, but so many
are and that's why we're seeing it happen. The other thing,
(06:34):
and maybe the least relevant, is you're tying players down,
most likely at a figure that if they play the
way you expect them to play over the course of
their four, five, six, seven years, you probably get them
for under market rate in the back half of that deal.
So if Jacob Wetering plays to his potential for those
(06:55):
six years, I've got almost no doubt you're getting him
for under market.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Value in the back half of that deal.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So there's some reasons why it might actually be beneficial
for the clubs to contract these guys' long term.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Moving on, nominating a destination.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
This is the other thing that I found really interesting
this trade period. Why can't we have players nominated state instead.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Of a club. I hear the arguments I want to
play in big games.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I want to go from Port Adelaide aka Dan Houston
to Carlton or Collingwood, not North Melbourne. Well, if I'm
North Melbourne, this is what I say to Dan Houston. Well,
we think you can help us playing big games. You
can help take us to Friday night and Thursday night footy.
You can be a part of that for us to
(07:46):
get us there so that you can play in those
big games. I'm just yet to hear. And I've been
asking Damo, and I've been asking some of the callers
and some of the people who work in and on
trade radio, what's the counter argument to players only being
able to nominate a state or a jurisdiction. Now, if
(08:10):
you're moving from Adelaide or Perth or Queensland back to Melbourne,
and you don't want to go to Geelong, that's fair enough.
You want to be in Melbourne, that's fair enough. But
there are what nine clubs in Melbourne? I get this
number wrong all the time. There are more than one
or two clubs in Melbourne. So why can't Port Adelaide,
in the Dan Houston situation deal with all the clubs
(08:32):
in Melbourne? Why can't clubs who might have a player
from Sydney who wants to get back to Melbourne. He's
a big name player. You can only deal him to
the club he nominates, not all the clubs in Melbourne.
To get the best possible capital in return for the player.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm not sure why.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I know at the moment the actual reason why is
the players need to sign off from the club. But
as we move into a phase where the club's need
and certainly want, more leverage and more power in these negotiations,
why can't Lean Baker and Shay Bolton nominate Western Australia
(09:13):
rather than Fremantle and West Coast in particular? Last time
I checked, they're in the same state, they're in the
same city. You're going to be doing the same job
playing footy. The money might be the same. I don't
understand why we can't get to that space and get
to that place where players can only nominate destinations, not
(09:34):
specific clubs, because it is restricting a lot of the movement.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
At the moment.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
There are clubs and players who can't get moved to
where they want to go because the club doesn't have
the capital to make it happen, and we're restricted with
how far down the track we can trade our future picks.
So that's potentially why Christian Petrarca doesn't get moved out
of Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
There aren't enough.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Future picks accessible to clubs who might be chasing him.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So let me know.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I'm not sure what you think on that one, but
let me know. Leave a comment in the comments section.
Do you think players should only be allowed to nominate
a destination rather than a specific club? And the last
one I want to talk sorry two more the last note.
In fact, it is the last topic before we get
stuck into the players who are on the move. Why
(10:22):
and how do we assess a trade for a highly
paid player, So veterans on big cash or veterans at
the back end of big time deals. And there are
some in this trade period who fit the bill. Jack McCrae,
Caleb Daniel, Clayton Oliver who won't be moved, but he
fits the bill. So players who might in the back half,
(10:45):
or might have some years remaining on a contract.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And then you may see the deal and you think, gee,
that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
That's a fair bit to give up for a player
of his age and stature. Well, that's not a lot
to give up for a player of his age and
his stature. Typically you've got to follow the money. Now
we'll never truly know, but there won't be long until
we've got a time where every club in the AFL.
(11:13):
All eighteen clubs in the AFL are paying for someone
to play for another team. Some call it a salary dump.
I think it's a bit more than that. It's a
bit more. It's a little bit more specific than that.
These days, it's not just purely a salary dump where
a player is moved so this club can save its
(11:36):
cap space.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
But when you have a look at.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Some of these deals, if you see a Jack McCrae
moved for a pick thirty, for example, well then I
think you know that the Dogs who receive pick thirty
and you can you think that's overs You know that
the Dogs are likely paying a fair bit of that salary. Equally,
if you see him moved for almost nothing, or you
(12:00):
slide back only a few picks in the draft, then
you know maybe the new club that Jack McCray has
gone to is picking up most of that tab. That's
a great little tail tail sign in terms of these deals,
when you want to know who's picking up the tab
and we've heard some you know, Brody Grundy's been in
this scenario. There have been other players along the way,
(12:23):
myself included, who have been in this sort of situation.
Where it's been one. They're old club paying some of
the bill and the new club paying some of the bill. Because,
believe it or not, if you sign a contract at
your club of origin five years five million, you aren't
guaranteed to get that five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
You're guaranteed it in some ways. But if you are
willing to.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Move and the old club, the old club, needs to
pay some of the contract, what you need to do
you basically rip up your five years five million. You
need to negotiate a new term and a new contract
with your old club, and a new term and a
new contract with your new club.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So your old club might say, we'll.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Pay you for five years because that's what we owe you,
but we'll pay you.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Four hundred grand of the million.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And then the new club says, well, we'll only pay
you four hundred grand as well. That's all we can afford.
So your decision is, do I go back to the
club I don't want to be at and get my
five years five million, or do I go to the
club I want to be at and get five years
eight hundred thousand a year and leave two hundred thousand
dollars a year or a million overall on the table.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
That's a decision you've got to make.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And that's why you're hear at Clayton olev are willing
to take a pay cut to get to where he
wants to go. If he stays, he's not taking a
nickel less, he's not taking a dime less. But that's
some of the stuff that goes on behind the scenes,
and those are some of the telltale signs when you
might see a deal for an aging player and you
think she that's a strange old trade. Follow the money
(14:00):
and it might assist you in terms of working out
what's right. Now. Let's get suck into some of these players,
Bailey Smith. Across the weekend, we learned through the papers
that the Dogs were seeking a top ten pick. We
know they're not going to get that. We know they're
more likely to get nothing than they are to get
a top ten pick.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So we shall see.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
We shall see does Bailey Smith go for seventeen, does
he go for seventeen and a bit more, or does
he go to the draft.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's one that's going to go right down to the why.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Because both clubs, Geelong feel like they're in the box
seat and the Dogs want to stand up for themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Clayton Oliver, this deal is not dead in the water,
I reckon.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
There's a phone call a day on this one behind
the scenes, but it's close enough to dead in the water.
The days of walk back their decision to shop him.
They don't want to pay him to play elsewhere, which
means Geelong or anyone else would have to stump up
one point.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Four a year for six years.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Otherwise Olive Art would have to take a significant short
back and sides on that salary. And he shouldn't do that.
He shouldn't do that. The Cats have got very little
draft capital. They're prioritizing Balley Smith anyhow, So this deal
I reckon comes up one more time. I think we'll
hear about it one more time in a legitimate fashion,
(15:20):
but I doubt there's anything genuinely meaty about it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But I guess this.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Time next year, if things aren't improved, expect to hear
about it again. Shape Bolton. Now Bolton and Baker seem
seemed to be scooped up in the same deal. Frioh,
we're on the move, offering ten, eleven and eighteen to
the Tigers for the Premiership Stars Bolton's got three years
to run on a deal. His mind is already in
(15:45):
wa He will get there. He will definitely get there.
He's what Fremantle need. He's a match winner, he's a
goal scorer. He's got freak talents, freak abilities. Put him
in that Dusty Martin striker role with Freemantle and I
think he will be a force next year. Basically, right
off twenty twenty four he was disinterested. They were losing,
(16:06):
they were getting beaten. Life was tough for him. Put
him at Fremantle where he's enthused, he's got a new
contract most likely, and they're winning some games and I
think you'll see the best version of Shaye Bolton. Where
it comes to Liam Baker, he wants to follow Andrew
mcqualter to the Eagles. The problem is the pick the
Eagles expected to land for Tom Barris is now elsewhere
(16:31):
and Liam Baker needed to potentially get his head around
a move to Fremantle rather than West Coast. But they
tell me this deal will still get done and he
will still get to the West Coast to footy club.
I think he will captain that club at some stage. Yes,
Oscar Allen's there. I understand, but he looks like a captain,
(16:52):
or at least a vice captain. To me, he plays
with heart, courage, he's humble and the way he goes
about it, he can play anyone can play half forward,
mid wing, half back. He's incredibly versatile. He'll be a
great pickup for the Eagles if they get him, and
he'd be a great pickout.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
For Freo if they could pinch him as well.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Dan Houston, everyone keeps telling me they know how good
he is, but then everyone balks at the asking price.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
This is what he is to me.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
He's a duel all Australian who is among the best kicks,
the most potent kicks in the competition.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
He's prolific.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
He's always around twenty two to twenty four to twenty
five disposals per game. He's got good size and in
my humble I think he could play as a genuine mid.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I think he could.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
We heard that about Zach Williams way back when that
he was going to go from half back to mid
didn't work. Now he's playing as a goal sneak. But
I think Houston is a better player than Zack Williams.
In fact, I know he is now Carlton have got
picks twelve and fourteen. Yep, they've got to make a
play for him. I'd be flat as if I was
a Carlton fan. Twenty nine years without a premiership and
(18:03):
we came to go to the draft. What four to
wait another twenty nine years. We've got Kerno, We've got Walsh,
we've got Weeding, we've got Crips. Let's go and get
this thing done. Bring in Dan Houston. Make us better now,
don't make us better in four years with a kid
who may or may not make it. Collingwood are in
(18:24):
the mix. They seem keen on Houston. They seen keen
her as well on Houston. So he's going to be
the big one to follow. As we move along. Late
on Monday night, it seems like Collingwood have made a
move and got themselves in the game for the all
important pick thirteen, which may unlock the Houston deal. Tom
barriss I mentioned him earlier, and this deal became problematic
(18:47):
last week. Late last week when the Hawks just said, well,
sign Ara, we're trading our fourteen, We're trading our pick.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Good luck to you.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But most say the future first and future second, that
the Hawks did a chlor and Pick will do the
job quite nicely, and there's nothing to see here for
West Coast. Barris will get to the Hawks. But I
would give strong consideration. Now I know this is not
the dumb thing, and he was farewelled at the BNF
and this, that and the other. I would have no
(19:16):
problem if I were West Coast in saying Tommy, come
on back, Come on back, big fella. You've played in
a premiership, you've been in our leadership group, You've got
deep roots in Perth, you're from Claremont, you've got a
family here, you're going to be a life member of
the club.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Come on back. If we don't get what we want
for you.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You've got three years to run on a deal you
probably paid seven eight hundred thousand dollars a year and
you deserve every penny.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Come on back.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This is the one i'd really push against if I
was West Coast. He's a contracted player. You don't have
to give him away. You won't lose him for unders,
So unless you get exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
What you want or more, come on back.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Jake Stringer, he's a name that's been bubbling around over
the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
G WS are the.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Team who seem legitimately keen on the goalkicking forward. But
I've got some reservations. He's chasing that two year contract
despite the fact he landed and ticked off a trigger
with Essendon for a twelve month extension. But if I'm GWS,
this is why I'm not keen or this is why
I'm lukewarm on the idea. Whose position will he take?
(20:30):
Jesse Hogan and Toby Green speak for themselves, so he
can basically discount those two. Jake cannot ruck, so one
of Cadman or Riccardi must be in the team because
you need a backup ruck. So do you really want
Stringer taking Cadman's spot and leaving him vulnerable to opposition
(20:50):
attacks next off season? Callum Brown probably seems the most
vulnerable player of those guys, but he's a twenty four
year old with immense upside endless upside in most phases
of the game. Jake, we know we'll kick goals. We
know he probably kicks thirty five plus next year for
whoever he plays for, but he doesn't contribute majorly in
(21:14):
other phases of the game. For me, if I'm running gws,
which I'm not believed or not. I'm fine with the
forward line I've got. The ford line I've got is
not the issue. I've got great balance, I've got smalls,
I've got pressure players, I've got.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Calm and metal winning tools.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
My captain is there in the mix, who I hope
to get even more impact from next year. It's a
no from me when it comes to the package. They're
the main names still to be dealt. As I said
Monday night, eight forty three pm. Some of those guys
will be done and traded by the time you watch this.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Some may not.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And if you're watching this after the deadline, well you'll
have even more information about why some guys did and
did not get dealt. So I'm done, I'm out of here. Some,
as I said, look.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
On the path.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
They're getting there their way, their wish, getting to the
club of choice, and some won't anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Either way. Thanks for following along.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
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Speaker 1 (22:34):
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Keep following along. As the trade period comes to a close,
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Speaker 2 (22:48):
And the NFL each and every weekend goes bompers. Thanks
for watching. My name's JJ and we'll chat again soon.
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