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August 13, 2025 • 16 mins

This week is Bullying No Way Week, so Britt & Laura chatted about the impact of bullying on our kids and the conversations we need to be having. TS12 was announced this week, so Britt & Laura caught up with critically acclaimed Swiftie Georgie Tunny to chat all things The Life Of A Showgirl, and poor Marlie Mae found out the hard way that permanent marker isn't easily removed. 

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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hi? Everyone, you're listening to the Pickup with Britt Hockey
and Laura Birn.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Britt, how was that dribbled?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
It was actually delicious. Yeah, I'm sorry. I was trying
to quickly eat my snack.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Your lovely fritata that you brought, and you just wolfed
down some water and then dribbled it all down in
front of yourself.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
You're so upset at my fretata because it looked good.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
You had phone.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
No I am.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I'm deeply jealous that you brought a frittata into the studio.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
I didn't share it.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Sorry, it shous It was my launch. Hey do you
know what I just read? I find this interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Let's hope that your husband Matt doesn't hear this, but
I want you to be honest. Do you have a
backup partner if things don't work out with Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
That was a rogue question for someone who's about to
have a baby. No, there is no backups. Unfortunately, if
Matt leaves me, I am very single. I mean I
shouldn't y unfortunately, but yeah, I would be sad if
you left me.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Well, I mean I also don't have a backup partner.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
But I literally just read there's a study that fifty
percent of women in.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
A relationship have a backup partner.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
That sounds insane, I think really like saying I do
and then like looking over to Fred in the front
row being like, this doesn't work out to you.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
To be fair, though, that's a kind of a big
generalized stat because it's not just saying people in relationships.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Prior to being with my husband.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I would have said I probably had a backup partner
in most of my relationships.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Sorry, if my ex boyfriends are listening, so not all
of them, but some of them.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
You know, this study was married and unmarried.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Just people, is really exactly so I would say now
that I'm married, and I'm obviously have almost three kids,
and I'm very committed.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
To my husband. Absolutely not never since the day I
met my husband. But prior, like.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I think, I've been in relationships where not a backup,
Like it wasn't cheating, but there's just a bit of
flirty band to there in case something goes wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
You like bread crumb them. I've never breadcrumbed anyone.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Look, I don't advise how I dated in my twenties,
but I was a bit of a monkey brancher. I
was that person that was when a relationship broke down,
I was almost already in a relationship a couple weeks later.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
It just it wasn't healthy. I have many regrets.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
All right, Well, don't do it, Laura did.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
This week is such an important one for all the
parents out there. It is Bullying No Way Week and
it goes until the fifteenth of August. You can register
your school today at Bullying noway dot gov TODAU. And
we wanted to have a conversation about the importance of
talking to your kids about bullying both ways, talking to
them about what are the signs to look out for

(02:57):
and like how they feel in their school environment, but
also having conversations with them around kindness and looking out
for the signs that no one ever would want to
even admit that potential that your kid could be the
one during the bullying.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
It's such an important week and there is nothing that
I detest more than bullying. And it is so sad
to say that bullying is absolutely rife in schools right now.
I hate making that blanket statement, but there's a reason
the government are doing these initiatives, and it's because it
is a problem and it needs to be addressed. And
the only way that we can fix it is by
you know, facing it head on and not just pretending

(03:31):
it doesn't happen. And the fact is, bullying has changed
so much from when we were at school, or like.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
If you got bullied at school, you were so.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Lucky in a way that you could go home to
your safe place, well hopefully it was a safe place,
and it sort of ended for the day. And I
know that sounds horrible to say, like it ended for
the day, But now I can't imagine.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
What school kids go through because it doesn't end.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
There's social media, there's emails, there's snapchats, there's like everything
that you could possibly think of. So it's all day,
then they go home and it's all night. And I
think it's really important to talk about the signs to
look for and the conversations to have.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
With your kids.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, but also I just feel for any parent as
well as the kids of course, who is dealing with
having a child that's being bullied and not knowing what
to do in those circumstances or how to support them,
and knowing that they're going to school and you don't
you're not able to protect them in that environment. Like
it's yeah, it must be so incredibly hard. And I
feel at the moment, like our kids are they're four

(04:27):
and six, they're almost a little bit too little to
really understand yet or to have experienced what bullying can
be like. But I don't know, brid did you ever
experienced at school, like when you're in like end of
primary school or going into high school, like those experiences
of just feeling so picked on or so like singled
out that it can be. Yeah, it's really hard. I'm

(04:48):
really lucky. I really wasn't ever bullied.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
I did go to quite a nice school, to be honest, Like,
of course there were bullies in the school, but I
was a person sticking up for people that were being
bullied on, Like I was a person that when got
those people and including them in the groups. Like I'm
a very empathetic person, but like I just hate Nothing
makes me more angry than a bully in any capacity.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
But the problem is.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
And this is why the government's having these conversations, is
quite often our kids aren't telling us like you're not
coming home because they're embarrassed, they feel sad, they don't
want to talk about it. So it's about looking for
those signs. But is your kid acting a little bit differently?
Are they wanting just to go to their room and
not talk about it. Do they seem a little bit
anxious or sullen? Do they not want to go to school?
Like all of these things are the things to start

(05:30):
looking for, and then you need to open those conversation
channels up. You know, how was school today? How was
what happened at lunch? Like get a bit more specific.
Are you happy at school? Have you made new friends?
Like trying to get information without directly saying hey, is
someone picking on you? But making sure your child And
it seems such a blanket statement, but I think sometimes
people get really busy and you think that your child's

(05:52):
happy and you're just not sure.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
So making sure there's just those open channels.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
I think for the most part, schools are trying really hard.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Like I even know with my daughter's school, there's a
thing called the buddy bench, which is so different at school,
like kids got left out and it was kind of
like it used to be looked at us, like it's
resilience building. Everyone gets picked on it point in school.
But I do think, like you know, far and beyond,
schools are really trying so hard, but there is so
much more that can be done, and there's so many
more resources that are out there for anyone who is

(06:19):
experiencing it or.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
If they're concerned about their kids at.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
All, Like please just go and have a look because
you can find a whole range of so much support
and advice. Or if you want to find out more
about bullying no Way Week of Action, you can head
on over to Bullying No Way dot gov dot AU.
It is a huge day if you are a Swiftie,
and there have been many Easter eggs that have been dropped.
I mean, you guys might have already heard, but Taylor

(06:42):
Swich is just officially announced that her next studio album
is only days away from being released or renounce I
don't have all the details.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
I don't think anyone has the details, Laura, you know,
but I'm.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Like, you're a big swifty.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I'm a swifty. This is her twelfth album.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
They've dropped it on her boyfriend Travis Kelsey's podcast TS twelve.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
They're calling it.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
We have Georgie Tunney on the line to get all
the goss because I feel like.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
If there's anyone that knows anything, think it's going.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
To be her.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Hey Georgie, Hello, my love.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Hallo, my darling. Do you know what this is? The
thing people don't know about you? You're the like number
one top tier swifty.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
You've even got a podcast ready for it, pod which
you guys released just to try and unpack all the
Easter eggs, the signs, the stories.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
You literally know it all. What do we know?

Speaker 6 (07:26):
Yes, well this is the thing. So at the moment
I can confirm exclusively with you guys that what we
know is the name of the album. That is it.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I know literally we do have this case. It's the
life of a show Girl, which I mean, I'm so
excited for this. I feel like there's been a couple
of other Easter eggs because there's something about the color,
like each time she has a specific color for each album.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Is this the case?

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Oh yes, it's amazing. So we know that it's called
the Life of a show Girl. Where Swift is really
coming to their home is that we are now full
into speculation and conspiracy theory mode about every single thing.
So Laura, you're so right with the color. The color
for this era sparky orange and mint green, and it's
very keen swifties would know that she actually started wearing

(08:14):
a sparkly outfit, the Lover outfit and also the nineteen
eighty nine sparkly orange outfits during the second half of
the Era's tour when that was going. So she has
had this in the works for at least a year. Guys,
she's dropping hints everywhere.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
What I love the most about this whole thing, though,
is like, obviously everyone ships Taylor and Travis, like this
relationship that's blossomed over the last year and a half.
Everyone wants more and more of it, right, But I
feel like we've been kind of kept in arm's length
and the fact that this has all been seeded through
his podcast, which is New Hides, and it kind of
on one hand, you're going.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
To have the album details and whatnot that's happening. But
also I think.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
People are just so excited to get an insight into
their relationship.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
I think that this is Taylor's signed, that she's sort
of pulling back that veil a little bit. We know
in her history with her partners that they've been very
very private. For her to make this announcement on her
significant other's podcast huge actually mind melting, like for me
that something I just thought would actually never happen. So
obviously they're in a great space. I think The Life

(09:13):
of a show Girl Too is going to be a
play on that, because you know she does this a lot.
You always think that her life is amazing. She's a billionaire,
She's always getting up and doing exactly what she loves.
But with that, there is the price to that, and
I think that we're going to have some intimate moments
along with some bangers about her life with Travis.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
I'm so obsessed with him as a couple too, like
and all the things that he's come out saying.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know, Taylor Swift is an athlete.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
She'll never call herself an athlete, but honestly, anyone has
gone to one of her shows this is three hours'
like five sometimes it's like five shows in a row
in the heat, like she's absolutely incredible. Do you reckon
she makes him sign an NBA because he would have
known about this album for a very long time.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Surely this is the biggest news in the world right now.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
I'm not sure if it's necessarily Taylor. I'm sure her
publicist with the most of three pain gets in and
does all of that for her, but I reckon that
he would. I'm just so excited for this new era,
just because any era I'm gonna love. But of note, guys,
to you and your listeners. She's going to be working
again with Max Martin and Shellback, and those are the
super producers by some of the hits like twenty two,
a lot of the big bangers off read, a lot

(10:14):
of the big bangers of nineteen eighty nine. Her most
recent work, we've seen her with Jack Antonov and Aaron
Dezna from the National, But we're getting back to big bangers,
the glitter gel pens, as she likes to call it.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
I think what vibe do you think she's going to
go with full pop?

Speaker 6 (10:27):
It's going to be full pop. There will be some
deep cuts. Obviously, we've got to look out for track five,
which if we are to believe a leak track list,
if we are to believe some of the leaks out there,
that track five is called Oldest Daughter. If that is true,
I mean rip everyone. That's just going to destroy lives.
It's going to be so amazing. I've heard rumors that

(10:48):
it could potentially be Abbat esque and if that's the case,
like check on.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Me, check on me. Our producer just audibly gassed so exactly, Georgie.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
We know you're an acclaim journalist, but you're very clearly and acclaim.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Swifty as well.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Like it's I don't think there's anyone who knows more
than you do off the.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Top of their head, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
We'll talk to you again later in the week, but
we've got some more announcements.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
If you want to, please do, I'm here for you amazing.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
We'll go and catch up on all of it on
George's podcast Ready for It, that is where you get
all the goss and also what time tomorrow are Australians
going to be able to listen to the podcast between
Travis Kelce and Tail Swift.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
Nine am nine am Thursday, Australian time. Everyone block it out,
don't go to work, sorry, call your boss and sick
nine am.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Thanks George, you're the best. Now.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Earlier in the week, if you guys are listening to
the show, we were talking about a new parenting trend,
new parenting name. It's called FAFO parenting, which means f
around and find out. Have a little listen to this.
FAFO parenting, which stands for ground and find out.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Parenting is the act of having your.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Kids experience the natural consequences of their actions without getting
too involved. Now, I wasn't really sure on this parenting style.
I mean, like, I get I love it.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Let you keep be cold, they'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
So I never expected that this would happen in real time.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
In our household.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
And I say this because Miley May she's six, she's
in kindergarten, she's my oldest and we have some rules
when it comes to dinner time in our household, right Like,
you gotta sit at the table, you gotta eat your dinner.
And that's because.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Street Street run.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
You run a regime there, Laura, you.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Laugh, Okay, it's really hard to get a six year
old and a four year old to sit at the
table and eat their dinner and.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Not be distracted. She gets down off her chair.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
She's like, gotta go and pooh, gotta go and do
this like it's of course they can go to the
toilet that they need to, but it's usually just uses
in this distraction, right like you.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
But honestly, I'll turn my back for two seconds. They've
gone and got pens of coloring book.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
They're gonna put the TV on, like they just don't
listen to me when it comes to dinner time. And
I'm so sick of sitting at a table with them
and hand feeding a six year old so that she'll
eat a dinner.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
You know, I mean, let me six, you can do this.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
You don't need to regratiate your food in anyway.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Last night I reckon. I felt like such a broken record.
I'd said like ten times I, get in your seat,
eat your dinner.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
I was also trying to prep our dinner at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Anyway, it would have been like two minutes since I
just said, can you get your seat and eat your dinner?
And I turn around and Marley and Lola have both
gotten a text and they've drawn on their faces. So
Marley has drawn around both eyes and she's drawn like
a clown mouth around her mouth. Lola has just colored
in her eyelids, so she's got blue texture on eyelids.

(13:32):
And they both look like, you know, fair enough. They
looked very funny, and we all had a little giggle.
And then I looked at the text that they'd used.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Oh no, and they'd both drawn on their face with
so stuff. It does not come off. So they lefft
around and they found out is what turns out.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
So Marley thought it was all really funny until I
explained to her that I didn't think it was going
to come off very easily.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
And she was like, get me a baby wipe.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
So I got her baby white with that down, tried
to get some of it off.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
I just want to show you.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Oh no, I mean, I can to be fair.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
We got a lot of it off that This is
how my child went to school today.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
She has a little having a marker like a clown
smile around it. Oh my god, I can't lie.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
We we honestly scrubbed into the poor thing was like
red raw.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
And she wanted to keep school totally. She wanted to
keep going. She was like, get it off, mummy, get
it off.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I look and I was like, sweet, we can't. We
cannot get any more of this off.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
But this is a prime example of let them figure
it out. She's never doing that again.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I know, maybe she'll actually eat a dinner for a change,
but no. She she was like, please don't make me
go to school.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
And I'm like, well, you're not sick.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
You can't miss school just because you've got.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I'd be making it because you look like a clown. Okay,
I'd be making up a story like she's got a
side gig. She's a clown on the weekends.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
She's a personal entertaintion today and she's like, oh, sorry,
this is from my job.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
On the week she entertains the kids parties. We rend
her out.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
If you want Molly made to come to your kids party,
she's dressed.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
As a clown. Anyway, I am going.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Home to figure out how today has gone for her, and.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
We will soon find out.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Hopefully someone at school had a better idea as to get.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
The producer was telling Suffing that she did when she
was a kid. I didn't quite get it. What did
you do to your hair? Okay? So I did something
similar to Marley May, but I was six.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
I was seventeen, and for some reason, I was doing
the forty Hour Famine and I decided that instead of eating,
I would spray paint my hand gold, but with just
like regular house spray paint, and it did.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Not come off for four days.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
I was at school doing a speech for my HSC
with a gold hand.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Michael Jackson showing me did you moon walk off the
stage as well?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's legal?

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Oh why did you? You're an embarrassment everyone I know.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Do you know what doesn't make sense in this story?
The forty old Famine has nothing to.

Speaker 6 (15:57):
Do with this.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
That was just me setting the scene. I like to
think it's because I was so hungry. I wasn't thinking properly.
I reckon it wasn't that.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
But anyway, was the summer that was ten hours deep
into the guys, let's

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Get out of here.
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