September 18, 2025 • 17 mins
ASK UNCUT: What do you do if you find out that your husband's best friend is cheating on his partner? We revisit the moment Britt & Laura chatted to some of the women who were scammed by the Tinder Swindler and we take your calls on the WEIRDEST things your mum has held onto.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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A good pickup with Britt Hockley and Laura Ben Brady
or what our windows down?
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My world?
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Reason the dust only good?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Grab dougle down. I'm don't march, but yeah I'm not.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'll big get and what it don't matter where? This
is the pickup?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hello everyone, I made it another day. It's the pickup
with Britt Hockey and Laura Ben. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
If you just tuning in and Laura hasn't had a
baby yet, it's still inside of her tucked up nicely.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I am juw.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm ready to go. And if you're just joining the
show for the very first time. Every single day I'm
counting down at the moment because every time I get.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
A message from you or something and it popped up
on my screen, I was like, it's time.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I think you're telling me that it's coming.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I'm surprised by that because you always have your phone
on do not disturb and I have to try and
like push notify you now because I think you were
You need to know if I'm going into labor, I
need to.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Tell you because I know that you'll push the notification
through like you'll forcey were in.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
This is true.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I do feel like I'm dying from the inside at
the moment. So this morning I was in bed with
my my daughter came into bed, and she never ever
ever cuddles me, like my oldest daughter. She always goes
to dad. She always gets into bed to cuddle Dad
on Dad's side. And this morning she climbs in and
she's like, Mom, can weave a cuddle?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And I was like, yeah, get in here a little one.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I pulled her in and I was like, loving this
cuddle so much because it just never happens.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And I thought we were both having a moment.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And then she rolled over and she looked me right
in the face with her little hand on my cheek
and she goes, mom, you smell like vomit and makeup.
And I was like thanks, like sorry, what thanks?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
That?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I do think I am dying from the inside out.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So your breath.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Breath was dark like off. It was the first thing
that was said to me this morning. That's pretty extreme.
That's rough.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Had you vomited though, That's what It's just a natural smell,
Oh bless you, just the.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Natural pheromone pregnancy.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Everyone we do ask uncut where we're just like, I
don't know. We're therapists to people that are going through
something really hard.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I mean, very unqualified therapists. Unlike real therapists. We'll just
give you advice.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Well, look irrelevant, We're here to help today.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
We have an Emma on the line and Ama is
going through a bit of a predicament on cheating in
her friend's circle. And like, if you find out some
information that someone you know is doing the dirty, do
you tell them?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So, Hi, Emma, welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Hi Emma, lady, Hey Jay.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Set this up for us. What's going on?
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Okay? So it's my husband's best friend, and I know
for certain that he is messaging his ex girlfriend from
ten years ago, saying that she was the one that
got away. His mom still talks about her, blah blah blah.
And do I tell he's now partner that he's been
(03:01):
with for probably two years now and has a kid with.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
How did you find out?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
She told me the ex girlfriend and told me and
sent me screenshots.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So that's not fair though, So you've read them, is
it okay?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Them?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
In terms of level of inappropriateness.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
How far do you think he's crossed the line saying
you're the one.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
That got a word.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It's pretty bad.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
And do you know what when even further like he'll
just like even the day after she told me, he
had messaged her again and she was like, oh my god,
another one just came through and like sent me the
screenshot of that too, Like any chance he gets, he's
trying to stoke up the conversation again. So, Emma, you're
still also has a partner in kids?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Oh my god? What a jury?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Was she running back?
Speaker 7 (03:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
But she was like pretty cold, like pretty uninterested.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So Emma, you're still friends with her then, obviously, so
she's sending you all the evidence.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Now you're stuck in the middle. What do you do
with this information?
Speaker 8 (03:55):
Do you know what?
Speaker 6 (03:56):
I'm not really that good of friends with her anymore,
Like we haven't spoken in years and years and years,
but she just felt the need that she had to
tell somebody and like, I guess, get it off her chest.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Do you think that his current partner any inkling that
there is something like this? You think they're like happy
and wholesome and great.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
I don't know, because I think it's like a very
protected relationship, like no one really knows what goes on.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Have you told your husband?
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (04:20):
I couldn't wait to tell him, Emma, What.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Did he say? What was his response to this?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
He was laughing and he was like, not in a
vindictive way, just like shaking his heads, like he's like, mate,
this guy is never going to change, Like how is
he still up to the same old tricks all these
years later?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Okay, here's a question. Then how close are you?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Like?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
How good are friends are you with her?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Like the new girl?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Close zero? So it's not like you feel like she's
a do you know what?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
It's so hard and I just I don't even really
know what advice to give you. Because if it was
me and my partner was cheating and messaging an X,
I would want someone to tell me.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
But having said that, I don't know, you.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Don't know she wants you to blow up her life,
like they've got a little kid. I'm guessing a one
year old because they've only been together two years.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Oh, I know, it's like what do you do with that?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
You want to do the right thing and say hey,
just so you know he's doing the dirty, but you
also don't want to be the one responsible for absolutely
imploding their life. And especially when you're not that close
with her, it's sort of like makes it a really
awkward thing. If you are really good friends with her
own best friends with her, I would be saying absolutely.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
I would have told her. Yeah, I wouldn't have hesitated
to tell her. But do I want to be the
reason that they've got? What if they stay together afterwards?
And then I'm always kind of like the working in
the room.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I mean, the thing is, you're not the reason, regardless
of what you decide to do. I think it's very
important to know, like you're not the reason. It's his
behavior that will be the reason. So if you decide
that you do want to tell her, would you ever
speak to him about it? Would you ever send the
messages to him and say, hey, you know, just so
you know, we all now know that this is what's
(05:56):
going on. Or do you want to not kind of
involve him at all?
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I almost did. I spoke to him on the weekend.
It was right on the tip of my tongue and
I thought, oh, I don't even want to bring it
up with him because I don't want him to buy
my head off and then tell me to be quiet
about it or am.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I almost think that you could like if your husband
is that good friends with him, that they're best friends
and he's like, oh ha haa is never going to change,
like he knows his history.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Maybe your husband, maybe you can ask your husband to say.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Something, you know what. I did say that to him.
I was like, are you going to bring it up
with him that you know? And he was like, oh,
He's like, it's pretty funny that he's still the same
way that he always has been. And he's like, if
we do that, if we tell them that we know,
then we're just going to stop finding out about it.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
He likes to.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Ducing and tell of what's going on because he also
doesn't really know the new misses that well, so he
doesn't really have that care factor there.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
He just sounds like an absolute flog of a person.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
I mean absolutely is yeah, and it's so.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Like the I think the worst part about this is
like you know, you know that your husband's best friend
is just an absolute flog, Like it's hard to respect them,
it's hard to hang out with them and feel like
you you know, you want to even talk to them
or have anything in common with them.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I think I've got it, guys, I think I've got
it to No, it's going to be like black Man else.
So what you're gonna do is go I think you
go to him the Cheetah, and you say, hey, look,
I know what you've been doing. I feel uncomfortable about it.
I don't need to talk to you about it. I
don't want to hear about it. I just want you
to know that I know it wasn't by choice. You
need to talk to your partner about it, or I'm
(07:24):
going to And that way, he's gonna have to bring
it up with her because he knows that you're going
to do it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
But then you don't have to be the one that
does it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I disagree. Just go to her. That's so much more conflict.
Oh my god, he's gonna blow.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
He will flip his lid at that because he got
caught out.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, and he'll also change the story.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Because you're like a little bit less removed.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yes, because you're not. Absolutely you're not doing it. It's
a that's unanimous.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
That's enough from us.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You guys might remember back in twenty twenty two. I'm
sure you will The Tinder Swindler. It was a huge
documentary that came out on Netflix. It was kind of
I'm talking like Target King level. Everyone watched it, everyone
was talking about it.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
It was like the first I think of its kind
where the world really got brought in on this journey
of like catfishing and fraud and online dating, like all
this skepticism and things that can go wrong. I feel
like it was the first of its kind in that sense,
which is why we all got so hooked.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, and also, I mean back in the day, we
interviewed you wait in mind, so we like, you know,
the documentary was centered around two women who were very
severely defrauded by this guy. He was going by the
name Simon Levive at the time. He said he was
like the heir to a big diamond company that he's daddy,
and he was getting these women to open up bank
(08:37):
accounts and get credit cards, and I mean they legitimately.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Thought that they were dating him.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And this isn't like a catfish in terms of you know,
online catfishing happens, and you hear about these people that
have been swindled out of their money.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They met him, they had apartments.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
With him, they lived with him, like they had real
relationships with this guy who was a complete fraud stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Well, he he scammed fourteen million Australian dollars worth, Like
that's what he was doing, just to every single woman,
would date them, fall and make them fall in love
and then say, my god, I can't pay this bill.
I'm getting paid next week. Can we get some money?
And then he was dating them all sometaneously.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
So the reason why we're talking about this is because
there's actually been an update.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
He served a very minimal prison sentence for what he'd done.
I think it was like five months, but just recently
he's been arrested again. So his real name is shimn
Yehuda Hayut. I'm hoping I'm saying that correctly, but he's
just been taken into custody again when he arrived in Georgia.
Now his lawyers have come out and saying that they
don't know why he's been arrested, but he's been arrested
(09:35):
now for the second time, probably because he once again
defrauded someone.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Well, his lawyer said, you know, I spoke to him
this morning after he was detained, but we don't yet
understand the reason he has been traveling freely around the world.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I think the term we need to focus on there
is freely. He's probably just been scamming people again.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's interesting though he's never admitted to any of it.
I mean, the documentary was so compelling, like how he
got away with it for so long, but he said
he just made all his money on bitcoin, never did
a thing wrong, has no idea how he's ended up.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
In this circumstance.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
If you guys haven't listened to that episode we did
a Life on Cut. I mean it was quite a
few years ago now, but Cecilia and Panila they were
the women who were at the bottom of that, like
the really big story around it, and at the time
they received so much criticism because people couldn't understand how
it was possible for him to get so much money
out of them and leave them in financial ruins. It's
(10:26):
honestly one of my favorite episodes we ever did on
Life on Cut. And we have a little excerpt for
you guys to listen to here, But if you want
to go and listen to the whole episode, just go
and search Life on Cut wherever you listen to your podcast.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
You ended up getting on a private jet and this
was kind of your first date. It was on a
private jet, sitting down with Simon and getting to know
him more. But I guess that that's one part of
the documentary that I don't think we saw so much
as this idea that it wasn't just a date with him.
There were so many more people that were involved in this,
and it was the huge and elaborate setup that kind
of gave you that reinforcement that made you go, oh, well,
(11:01):
this is legit, this is safe.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Yeah, I think that's why. And you could see the
other there were other women there, like it was a
female that was his private ass since I was told
and you know that you're the baby's mother and a
little dollar. So I think the safeness of seeing those
people made me it wasn't a trafficking skin but I
felt safe.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
And we see on the plane, we see a tiny
little snippet where you lean in and you give Simon
a kiss on the cheek, and like there was something
really deep there immediately, Did you feel like this intense
connection with him straight away?
Speaker 8 (11:31):
We did have an immediate connection. But this is what
he's good at, you know, he makes you feel that
you have that special connection and that you're very special.
When I was watching the podcast that has come out,
like it's so nice to see other people friends as well.
It was like a business partner of his dad I
was saying that, or like friends of his said, like,
he makes you feel very special when you're with them.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Anyone that has been a little bit skeptical, like how
could these women fall for that? I mean immediately you're
at a military airport, like people don't just have access
to that. You're on a private plane with all these people.
There would be no part of the unit would ever
think this can't be really just made up.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
There's no one in the world that could think that.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Hindsight is a gift. As I say, a lot of
the times, what you should have seen, you know, I
have to say, you know, he's a very magnetic person
to be around, and you feel really special. You tried
to give him that level of trust because he was
very trusting with you as well with his store and
what he was calling through.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
If you would have gone and listen to the whole episode,
just go and search life on cart wherever you listen
to your podcast.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Hey, if you're with us last week you would.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Have heard quite an interesting discussion about what are the
weird things that your mum kept when you were a kid, Like,
for example, this isn't weird, but my mom.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Kept my hair from like my first haircut.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I think that's pretty normal, right, Like you cut the pony,
you stick it in that baby book.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
That's not weird because we cut Lolla's fringe recently and
we kept the hair. It only got weird when she
found it and then started scattering around the house like
like little baby dust.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Well, there were a few weird things we spoke about.
Have listened to this.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
People keep all weird kinds of things that are sentimental.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
One of our friends their mom kept their four skin
that are been chopped off.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Let us know what's like the weird thing your parents kept,
because I want someone to trump the foreskin.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
If somebody's parents are keeping something weirder than that, you win.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Honestly, I don't want to say the word too many
times on here, but who keeps an f skin?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That's weird? And we know this person really really well,
it is weird.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
But also we did ask you guys, like what did
your mum keep that was weird? And we're DMS did
not disappoint. We had so many people writing and some
of the.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Stuff was looked passable. Some of this stuff was absolutely cooked.
And we've got Phoebe on the line. Phoebe, what did
your mom keep?
Speaker 7 (13:34):
So my mum has held on to her breast milk
from when I was.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
A baby, Phoebe like frozers.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
So yeah, it's currently in a SnapLock bag in our
freezer and I only discovered this whilst cleaning out the freezer.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
How old is how old? Are you too old?
Speaker 7 (13:50):
I'm twenty six.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Great, don't sound like an infant. So that's that's a
little bit too long.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
For what purpose?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Was it like the last milking? Was it like the last?
Speaker 7 (14:01):
I don't know whether it was the first or the last.
I think it's the sentimental value. She was very scared
that I was going to throw it away when I
was cleaning out the freezer. Still in the freezer, did
she date it?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Because I you know, most people date their breast milk
when they put in the freezer.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
To make sure it doesn't go off. I'm going to
bet that one. I'm very good for use now.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
Yeah, no date nothing completely, just to clear SnOH what bad,
which is why I was like, what is this? It's
going in Ben's.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Wow, breastmink for twenty six years.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
That's amazing. I just tell her I kept it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Throw it out? Are you living at home?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
That's why when you were cleaning out the freezer you
found it? Or were you cleaning out her freezer?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
I was cleaning out her freezer.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Oh, and she really wanted to keep it.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Look, I mean, I think in that instance, you let
your mum keep it if it's sentimental.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Do you know what's cute about that? She clearly felt
very attached to breastfeeding. That was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
She still breastfeeds are now twenty six years later. Okay,
we got Jodie on the line. Hey, what what weird
thing did your mum keep?
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I've got three and I can't decide which is worse,
So I have to tell you them all when you
can tell.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Me, Oh please, were ready?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Okay? My mum kept my dog's balls in a jar
for twenty years after they got into sack. Oh on
the mantel piece everyone to see. And she was really
proud of the fact that she had his dog ball.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Do you think it was just for comedy? Fact that like,
your mum sounds like a who No, I reckon.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
No, she's got a problem. She waits to hear the
other two.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You can decide. Why do I feel like I'm getting stuffy?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Was it a stuffy?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
No? It was a toe, one of those tiny little
fluffy white things with tiny little balls like and they
little marbles. It was so disgusting, and I asked her
recently about it, and she said she finally had to
get rid of it up because the formale hyde started
to eat up all the balls.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It was just this gets like prone dehydrated.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Okay. The next one when my dad died restitting in
the funeral home and she says to the funeral director,
can I have his knee replacement? I want to have
it back? And we thought she was joking, right, But
then when I left, she obviously continued the conversation. And
about a month later when I went up to visit
my mum, she had my dad's knee as a paperweight.
She sprayed at chilber and she's using it as a paperweight.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
No, hang on, I love this. I think this is
so cute. It's gonna last for ever. It's metal, So
she said, I paid for it.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
There was so much money, and I just always joked
about it and I wanted to get it back, and
you Dad would think it's funny. I can't even look
at it.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
She painted at silver and then popped it up next
to the dog balls like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It's brilliant.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
It's a paperweight, Jody, what's number three?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I'm scared to hear.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Kay, are you ready? You're not gonna miss? And God
strike me down dead if I'm lying my whole life.
My mum has long, natural painted fingernails and every time
she broke a fingernail, she threw it in the Macona jar.
And now to this day and I can send you
a photo she has a large Macona jar full of
her nails.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
She's not right, I was, and they're all different colors.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Send it to me. We need this. This is to here.
I need like it feels too extreme and any of you.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Because you've got it, you've got a fee it to
believe it.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I'm ready. The stomach it.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
The near replacement, which is just metal, is too much
for you, Laura, but please send me in because you
want to keep a photo of finger in it.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
A whole life of fingernail.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, because people are.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
She must have thrown it in the jar once and thought, oh,
that's funny, I'll keep it, and then just over the
years she just kept doing it. And I'm talking, I'm
fifty five, so this jar is full.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Wow, that is a level of commitment. Anyway, guys, that
is it from us,
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
A good pickup with Britt Hockley and Laura Ben Brady
or what our windows down?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
My world?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Reason the dust only good?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Grab dougle down. I'm don't march, but yeah I'm not.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'll big get and what it don't matter where? This
is the pickup?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hello everyone, I made it another day. It's the pickup
with Britt Hockey and Laura Ben. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
If you just tuning in and Laura hasn't had a
baby yet, it's still inside of her tucked up nicely.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I am juw.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm ready to go. And if you're just joining the
show for the very first time. Every single day I'm
counting down at the moment because every time I get.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
A message from you or something and it popped up
on my screen, I was like, it's time.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I think you're telling me that it's coming.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I'm surprised by that because you always have your phone
on do not disturb and I have to try and
like push notify you now because I think you were
You need to know if I'm going into labor, I
need to.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Tell you because I know that you'll push the notification
through like you'll forcey were in.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
This is true.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I do feel like I'm dying from the inside at
the moment. So this morning I was in bed with
my my daughter came into bed, and she never ever
ever cuddles me, like my oldest daughter. She always goes
to dad. She always gets into bed to cuddle Dad
on Dad's side. And this morning she climbs in and
she's like, Mom, can weave a cuddle?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And I was like, yeah, get in here a little one.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I pulled her in and I was like, loving this
cuddle so much because it just never happens.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And I thought we were both having a moment.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And then she rolled over and she looked me right
in the face with her little hand on my cheek
and she goes, mom, you smell like vomit and makeup.
And I was like thanks, like sorry, what thanks?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
That?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I do think I am dying from the inside out.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So your breath.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Breath was dark like off. It was the first thing
that was said to me this morning. That's pretty extreme.
That's rough.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Had you vomited though, That's what It's just a natural smell,
Oh bless you, just the.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Natural pheromone pregnancy.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Everyone we do ask uncut where we're just like, I
don't know. We're therapists to people that are going through
something really hard.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I mean, very unqualified therapists. Unlike real therapists. We'll just
give you advice.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Well, look irrelevant, We're here to help today.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
We have an Emma on the line and Ama is
going through a bit of a predicament on cheating in
her friend's circle. And like, if you find out some
information that someone you know is doing the dirty, do
you tell them?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So, Hi, Emma, welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Hi Emma, lady, Hey Jay.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Set this up for us. What's going on?
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Okay? So it's my husband's best friend, and I know
for certain that he is messaging his ex girlfriend from
ten years ago, saying that she was the one that
got away. His mom still talks about her, blah blah blah.
And do I tell he's now partner that he's been
(03:01):
with for probably two years now and has a kid with.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
How did you find out?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
She told me the ex girlfriend and told me and
sent me screenshots.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So that's not fair though, So you've read them, is
it okay?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Them?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
In terms of level of inappropriateness.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
How far do you think he's crossed the line saying
you're the one.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
That got a word.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It's pretty bad.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
And do you know what when even further like he'll
just like even the day after she told me, he
had messaged her again and she was like, oh my god,
another one just came through and like sent me the
screenshot of that too, Like any chance he gets, he's
trying to stoke up the conversation again. So, Emma, you're
still also has a partner in kids?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Oh my god? What a jury?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Was she running back?
Speaker 7 (03:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
But she was like pretty cold, like pretty uninterested.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So Emma, you're still friends with her then, obviously, so
she's sending you all the evidence.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Now you're stuck in the middle. What do you do
with this information?
Speaker 8 (03:55):
Do you know what?
Speaker 6 (03:56):
I'm not really that good of friends with her anymore,
Like we haven't spoken in years and years and years,
but she just felt the need that she had to
tell somebody and like, I guess, get it off her chest.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Do you think that his current partner any inkling that
there is something like this? You think they're like happy
and wholesome and great.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
I don't know, because I think it's like a very
protected relationship, like no one really knows what goes on.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Have you told your husband?
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (04:20):
I couldn't wait to tell him, Emma, What.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Did he say? What was his response to this?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
He was laughing and he was like, not in a
vindictive way, just like shaking his heads, like he's like, mate,
this guy is never going to change, Like how is
he still up to the same old tricks all these
years later?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Okay, here's a question. Then how close are you?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Like?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
How good are friends are you with her?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Like the new girl?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Close zero? So it's not like you feel like she's
a do you know what?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
It's so hard and I just I don't even really
know what advice to give you. Because if it was
me and my partner was cheating and messaging an X,
I would want someone to tell me.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
But having said that, I don't know, you.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Don't know she wants you to blow up her life,
like they've got a little kid. I'm guessing a one
year old because they've only been together two years.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Oh, I know, it's like what do you do with that?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
You want to do the right thing and say hey,
just so you know he's doing the dirty, but you
also don't want to be the one responsible for absolutely
imploding their life. And especially when you're not that close
with her, it's sort of like makes it a really
awkward thing. If you are really good friends with her
own best friends with her, I would be saying absolutely.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
I would have told her. Yeah, I wouldn't have hesitated
to tell her. But do I want to be the
reason that they've got? What if they stay together afterwards?
And then I'm always kind of like the working in
the room.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I mean, the thing is, you're not the reason, regardless
of what you decide to do. I think it's very
important to know, like you're not the reason. It's his
behavior that will be the reason. So if you decide
that you do want to tell her, would you ever
speak to him about it? Would you ever send the
messages to him and say, hey, you know, just so
you know, we all now know that this is what's
(05:56):
going on. Or do you want to not kind of
involve him at all?
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I almost did. I spoke to him on the weekend.
It was right on the tip of my tongue and
I thought, oh, I don't even want to bring it
up with him because I don't want him to buy
my head off and then tell me to be quiet
about it or am.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I almost think that you could like if your husband
is that good friends with him, that they're best friends
and he's like, oh ha haa is never going to change,
like he knows his history.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Maybe your husband, maybe you can ask your husband to say.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Something, you know what. I did say that to him.
I was like, are you going to bring it up
with him that you know? And he was like, oh,
He's like, it's pretty funny that he's still the same
way that he always has been. And he's like, if
we do that, if we tell them that we know,
then we're just going to stop finding out about it.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
He likes to.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Ducing and tell of what's going on because he also
doesn't really know the new misses that well, so he
doesn't really have that care factor there.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
He just sounds like an absolute flog of a person.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
I mean absolutely is yeah, and it's so.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Like the I think the worst part about this is
like you know, you know that your husband's best friend
is just an absolute flog, Like it's hard to respect them,
it's hard to hang out with them and feel like
you you know, you want to even talk to them
or have anything in common with them.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I think I've got it, guys, I think I've got
it to No, it's going to be like black Man else.
So what you're gonna do is go I think you
go to him the Cheetah, and you say, hey, look,
I know what you've been doing. I feel uncomfortable about it.
I don't need to talk to you about it. I
don't want to hear about it. I just want you
to know that I know it wasn't by choice. You
need to talk to your partner about it, or I'm
(07:24):
going to And that way, he's gonna have to bring
it up with her because he knows that you're going
to do it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
But then you don't have to be the one that
does it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I disagree. Just go to her. That's so much more conflict.
Oh my god, he's gonna blow.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
He will flip his lid at that because he got
caught out.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, and he'll also change the story.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Because you're like a little bit less removed.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yes, because you're not. Absolutely you're not doing it. It's
a that's unanimous.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
That's enough from us.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You guys might remember back in twenty twenty two. I'm
sure you will The Tinder Swindler. It was a huge
documentary that came out on Netflix. It was kind of
I'm talking like Target King level. Everyone watched it, everyone
was talking about it.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
It was like the first I think of its kind
where the world really got brought in on this journey
of like catfishing and fraud and online dating, like all
this skepticism and things that can go wrong. I feel
like it was the first of its kind in that sense,
which is why we all got so hooked.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, and also, I mean back in the day, we
interviewed you wait in mind, so we like, you know,
the documentary was centered around two women who were very
severely defrauded by this guy. He was going by the
name Simon Levive at the time. He said he was
like the heir to a big diamond company that he's daddy,
and he was getting these women to open up bank
(08:37):
accounts and get credit cards, and I mean they legitimately.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Thought that they were dating him.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And this isn't like a catfish in terms of you know,
online catfishing happens, and you hear about these people that
have been swindled out of their money.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They met him, they had apartments.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
With him, they lived with him, like they had real
relationships with this guy who was a complete fraud stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Well, he he scammed fourteen million Australian dollars worth, Like
that's what he was doing, just to every single woman,
would date them, fall and make them fall in love
and then say, my god, I can't pay this bill.
I'm getting paid next week. Can we get some money?
And then he was dating them all sometaneously.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
So the reason why we're talking about this is because
there's actually been an update.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
He served a very minimal prison sentence for what he'd done.
I think it was like five months, but just recently
he's been arrested again. So his real name is shimn
Yehuda Hayut. I'm hoping I'm saying that correctly, but he's
just been taken into custody again when he arrived in Georgia.
Now his lawyers have come out and saying that they
don't know why he's been arrested, but he's been arrested
(09:35):
now for the second time, probably because he once again
defrauded someone.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Well, his lawyer said, you know, I spoke to him
this morning after he was detained, but we don't yet
understand the reason he has been traveling freely around the world.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I think the term we need to focus on there
is freely. He's probably just been scamming people again.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's interesting though he's never admitted to any of it.
I mean, the documentary was so compelling, like how he
got away with it for so long, but he said
he just made all his money on bitcoin, never did
a thing wrong, has no idea how he's ended up.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
In this circumstance.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
If you guys haven't listened to that episode we did
a Life on Cut. I mean it was quite a
few years ago now, but Cecilia and Panila they were
the women who were at the bottom of that, like
the really big story around it, and at the time
they received so much criticism because people couldn't understand how
it was possible for him to get so much money
out of them and leave them in financial ruins. It's
(10:26):
honestly one of my favorite episodes we ever did on
Life on Cut. And we have a little excerpt for
you guys to listen to here, But if you want
to go and listen to the whole episode, just go
and search Life on Cut wherever you listen to your podcast.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
You ended up getting on a private jet and this
was kind of your first date. It was on a
private jet, sitting down with Simon and getting to know
him more. But I guess that that's one part of
the documentary that I don't think we saw so much
as this idea that it wasn't just a date with him.
There were so many more people that were involved in this,
and it was the huge and elaborate setup that kind
of gave you that reinforcement that made you go, oh, well,
(11:01):
this is legit, this is safe.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Yeah, I think that's why. And you could see the
other there were other women there, like it was a
female that was his private ass since I was told
and you know that you're the baby's mother and a
little dollar. So I think the safeness of seeing those
people made me it wasn't a trafficking skin but I
felt safe.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
And we see on the plane, we see a tiny
little snippet where you lean in and you give Simon
a kiss on the cheek, and like there was something
really deep there immediately, Did you feel like this intense
connection with him straight away?
Speaker 8 (11:31):
We did have an immediate connection. But this is what
he's good at, you know, he makes you feel that
you have that special connection and that you're very special.
When I was watching the podcast that has come out,
like it's so nice to see other people friends as well.
It was like a business partner of his dad I
was saying that, or like friends of his said, like,
he makes you feel very special when you're with them.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Anyone that has been a little bit skeptical, like how
could these women fall for that? I mean immediately you're
at a military airport, like people don't just have access
to that. You're on a private plane with all these people.
There would be no part of the unit would ever
think this can't be really just made up.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
There's no one in the world that could think that.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Hindsight is a gift. As I say, a lot of
the times, what you should have seen, you know, I
have to say, you know, he's a very magnetic person
to be around, and you feel really special. You tried
to give him that level of trust because he was
very trusting with you as well with his store and
what he was calling through.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
If you would have gone and listen to the whole episode,
just go and search life on cart wherever you listen
to your podcast.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Hey, if you're with us last week you would.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Have heard quite an interesting discussion about what are the
weird things that your mum kept when you were a kid, Like,
for example, this isn't weird, but my mom.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Kept my hair from like my first haircut.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I think that's pretty normal, right, Like you cut the pony,
you stick it in that baby book.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
That's not weird because we cut Lolla's fringe recently and
we kept the hair. It only got weird when she
found it and then started scattering around the house like
like little baby dust.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Well, there were a few weird things we spoke about.
Have listened to this.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
People keep all weird kinds of things that are sentimental.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
One of our friends their mom kept their four skin
that are been chopped off.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Let us know what's like the weird thing your parents kept,
because I want someone to trump the foreskin.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
If somebody's parents are keeping something weirder than that, you win.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Honestly, I don't want to say the word too many
times on here, but who keeps an f skin?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That's weird? And we know this person really really well,
it is weird.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
But also we did ask you guys, like what did
your mum keep that was weird? And we're DMS did
not disappoint. We had so many people writing and some
of the.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Stuff was looked passable. Some of this stuff was absolutely cooked.
And we've got Phoebe on the line. Phoebe, what did
your mom keep?
Speaker 7 (13:34):
So my mum has held on to her breast milk
from when I was.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
A baby, Phoebe like frozers.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
So yeah, it's currently in a SnapLock bag in our
freezer and I only discovered this whilst cleaning out the freezer.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
How old is how old? Are you too old?
Speaker 7 (13:50):
I'm twenty six.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Great, don't sound like an infant. So that's that's a
little bit too long.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
For what purpose?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Was it like the last milking? Was it like the last?
Speaker 7 (14:01):
I don't know whether it was the first or the last.
I think it's the sentimental value. She was very scared
that I was going to throw it away when I
was cleaning out the freezer. Still in the freezer, did
she date it?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Because I you know, most people date their breast milk
when they put in the freezer.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
To make sure it doesn't go off. I'm going to
bet that one. I'm very good for use now.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
Yeah, no date nothing completely, just to clear SnOH what bad,
which is why I was like, what is this? It's
going in Ben's.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Wow, breastmink for twenty six years.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
That's amazing. I just tell her I kept it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Throw it out? Are you living at home?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
That's why when you were cleaning out the freezer you
found it? Or were you cleaning out her freezer?
Speaker 7 (14:33):
I was cleaning out her freezer.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Oh, and she really wanted to keep it.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Look, I mean, I think in that instance, you let
your mum keep it if it's sentimental.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Do you know what's cute about that? She clearly felt
very attached to breastfeeding. That was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
She still breastfeeds are now twenty six years later. Okay,
we got Jodie on the line. Hey, what what weird
thing did your mum keep?
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I've got three and I can't decide which is worse,
So I have to tell you them all when you
can tell.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Me, Oh please, were ready?
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Okay? My mum kept my dog's balls in a jar
for twenty years after they got into sack. Oh on
the mantel piece everyone to see. And she was really
proud of the fact that she had his dog ball.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Do you think it was just for comedy? Fact that like,
your mum sounds like a who No, I reckon.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
No, she's got a problem. She waits to hear the
other two.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
You can decide. Why do I feel like I'm getting stuffy?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Was it a stuffy?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
No? It was a toe, one of those tiny little
fluffy white things with tiny little balls like and they
little marbles. It was so disgusting, and I asked her
recently about it, and she said she finally had to
get rid of it up because the formale hyde started
to eat up all the balls.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It was just this gets like prone dehydrated.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Okay. The next one when my dad died restitting in
the funeral home and she says to the funeral director,
can I have his knee replacement? I want to have
it back? And we thought she was joking, right, But
then when I left, she obviously continued the conversation. And
about a month later when I went up to visit
my mum, she had my dad's knee as a paperweight.
She sprayed at chilber and she's using it as a paperweight.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
No, hang on, I love this. I think this is
so cute. It's gonna last for ever. It's metal, So
she said, I paid for it.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
There was so much money, and I just always joked
about it and I wanted to get it back, and
you Dad would think it's funny. I can't even look
at it.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
She painted at silver and then popped it up next
to the dog balls like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It's brilliant.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
It's a paperweight, Jody, what's number three?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I'm scared to hear.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Kay, are you ready? You're not gonna miss? And God
strike me down dead if I'm lying my whole life.
My mum has long, natural painted fingernails and every time
she broke a fingernail, she threw it in the Macona jar.
And now to this day and I can send you
a photo she has a large Macona jar full of
her nails.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
She's not right, I was, and they're all different colors.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Send it to me. We need this. This is to here.
I need like it feels too extreme and any of you.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Because you've got it, you've got a fee it to
believe it.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I'm ready. The stomach it.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
The near replacement, which is just metal, is too much
for you, Laura, but please send me in because you
want to keep a photo of finger in it.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
A whole life of fingernail.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, because people are.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
She must have thrown it in the jar once and thought, oh,
that's funny, I'll keep it, and then just over the
years she just kept doing it. And I'm talking, I'm
fifty five, so this jar is full.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Wow, that is a level of commitment. Anyway, guys, that
is it from us,
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