April 1, 2025 • 13 mins
Sam Fischer joins Britt & Laura to chat about his new single LOVELIFE, life since becoming an independent artist, and the sad reason he had to leave LA.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, we have the man himself in the studio with
us today. Sam, You've been a friend of us for
so long. We've done many interviews with you. You even came
on our Life on Cut podcast tour with us to
every single show.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
We couldn't love you more. Welcome to the pick up,
my girls.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
It's so good to be back together again. Come on.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Honestly, the highlight of my life doing that Life on
Cut podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Do you mean the live tour or just the podcast?
Just coming on for one.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Single chat when we were hungover as how in the
studio using a socc as a.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We absolutely were. It was like the night after a
big show. We say a big show, like we're ravers.
We just did a podcast show. It's not like we
wereent out.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
It was incredible using our phones for the camera.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Incurd.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Yes, look that was back when we were budget. We've
really moved up in the world.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We we got lighting so of you.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
You have some big, exciting things happening in your life
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You've moved.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
You also have new head. But more importantly than that,
you have a new single that is out now. It's
called love Life, which the lyrics of this very sentimental. Why, like,
what was the reasoning behind it?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
It's been a crazy year and I am trying to
focus on the joy in my life because I have
a tendency to get quite negative when I talk about
my career because a lot of just bs has happened.
But being independent, moving to a new country, finding myself
there and really trying to hold onto the joy in
my life instead of focusing on everything that has gone
(01:23):
wrong has been a real struggle for me. And so
I just thought of love life because I want to
love life and I want to find a way to
be able to do that.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
And also I just thought, like I thought about my
love life, it's about how to love life.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And when I thought of that, I pat of myself
on the back and I said, you claver basted.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, there have been some big changes, as you just
mentioned though. You've moved to London and you've gone independence.
So it's a really big thing for an artist to
go independent. How has that transition being what.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
To look like? It was really scary at first.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I think going from any kind of major label system
with a team with.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Full budget, really that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
It's so so expensive to be an independent artist, and
you really have to be intentional as ever with every decision,
and there's nothing that can be throwaway. I have a
totally new team and they're all in London and they're
all so supportive and very communicative across absolutely everything, which
I wasn't in the past, and that's what has kind
(02:25):
of screwed me over.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Do you think you can become a bit of a
number when you're with like a big agency.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
One hundred percent? And like when this city was going crazy,
I was number one.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You were the person.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I was the person came the lights on the building.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, And then you know, in a perfect world, had
I had kind of the proper advice been given to
me at the time, I would have put my album
out when this city was massive instead of four years later.
But that is what it is, and focusing on the future,
being able to be independent, to have total creative control
is scarier than anything because every decision comes back on
(02:58):
me and my team is amazing, But at the end
of the day, the captain of the ship is the
you know, the one that stays in the boat to
go down.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And that's the analogy, right guys, that's the same. Yeah,
it is the captain goes down with the ship.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
It does go down, yereat is what I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's a positive or negative? Now I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
You know, as in like, I have so much pride
in the boat that you will see that I'm on
you know what, I'm building this boat by myself and
if it well with the village exactly, if that's really
what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
If it sinks, I will be sinking it. Yes.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But honestly, like, being independent is really cool. I think
there are so many sick independent artists. Bad Bunny is independent.
Raise independent.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
You've also seen though, I mean, like we've talked about
it before, but TikTok has changed the way that music
is pushed out and the way that people engage with music.
And I think so much of like what you are
doing and what has been created, Like you are very
smart with how you use TikTok to push that vehicle.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Thank you and so much.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You're so.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Often don't think, no, you are.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
And it's what happened to you with this city, which
is crazy that that was seven years ago, but now
over the past seven years only twenty one.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You're a baby. You look it too.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Yeah, first, last night, it's funny what you just said. Actually, Sam,
you just if anyone noticed, you just actually got so
excited and frothed when Laura gave you a compliment just
like you're so smart.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
You stopped down and you were like, wow, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And then there is a quote.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
We are coming from a social genius, like both of you.
You're so good. I'm just online.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Mine's not like social. So true.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
True.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I've got a quote from you here where you said,
I think I'm guilty as hell at looking for external validation,
and you genuinely just did that with Laura.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Talk to us still doing it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You talked to us more about that. In relation to
love life.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think it's so easy in this kind of day
and age to be focused on the likes and the
views and the numbers of it all. There have been
times when I've posted a song being so excited about it,
and it doesn't get the reaction that I thought it would,
and then I get turned off the song, and that
sucks because I know how excited I am about these songs,
and I think I've had to rewire my brain to
(05:08):
focus on the art and just be proud of myself
that I'm making this kind of music, and that's what
this song is kind of about.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's kind of you know, it's a confession.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
It's my music, Like, let's be real, it's always a confession,
but it's more like, Hey, this is the way that
I've been and this is how I'm going to be
going forward, because life is too short to be worried
about numbers and you know, shait comments.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But you say this about songs.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
But I think people show up like this on social
media all the time in different ways. Like people might
post something that they've created or spent time doing and
then it gets no engagement, and then there's this feeling
of like I'm in a delete it because it's not
good enough.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I know that that is like such a minute comparison,
but I think we have built a society where we
are kind of pushed to get our validation externally, not
within the people or the things that we do or
what we like.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
It's a hard game to fall into, and it is
the way that kind of the world is going right now,
with social media and everything and being on the label
and having the pressure of like you need to get
five thousand pre saves on a song, and then once
you get to five thousand, they're like, Okay, let's push
for twenty thousand, and then you get to twenty thousand,
you push for fifty thousand, and if you don't get
to fifty thousand, then the label's like, oh, maybe this
(06:15):
isn't going to work. And you're like, well, I hit
all these other goals. So it was always goalpost being
pushed and pushed and pushed. And now I'm celebrating the
little winds and I'm just excited to get music out.
And this year I'm putting out so much music. There's
going to be consistent releases. As soon as this song
comes out day after I get ready for me to
tease a new song. Yeah, and I have collapse and
(06:36):
I have tours coming. I'm opening for Brett Young in May.
That's so excited. It's so sick. He's the homie. We're
playing two nights at the Mr.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Brett Young is like superstar international, superstar country art.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
First show was already sold out. Second show, steal some tickets.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
To go, steal some tickets left. It's going quick. But
what's so cool is when I was eighteen, I worked
the Barrett in my theater and when my parents split
my mom moved moved to down the road from them
my theater, and I always used to walk past and
just wish that one day I could play in this theater.
And so it's going to be a sick hometown show
homecoming kind of I don't know, check boke, that's.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
A grateful circle moment, like pulling beers there exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Now I would be the one people.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Are getting drunk too. Yeah, now you can buy the beers.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I've seen a couple of songs.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I have a question for you in terms of like
some of the songs and the lyrics that you write, Like,
obviously they're very personal, and even when you talk about them,
it's kind of like it's a personal discovery or like
a little bit of a diary entry. How does your
wife feel, who's also a musician, when she hears some
of the vulnerable parts of songs, like it does it
bring you guys together?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Do you talk about it? Like how does that conversation
fold out?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I mean Aaron has been with me this whole journey,
so she knows everything, and she's seen everything go down,
and there's been a lot of stuff that the public
doesn't know that's happened behind the scenes, which was devastating.
I mean, to be totally transparent. The reason we left
LA was because I discovered that I had no money
(08:06):
and I was trying to figure out where that money
had gone, and I realized that there was some bad
faith actors messing about, and so we went through having
to sell everything, pack up our little car and drive
to Virginia and we were in her mum's place for
a year and a half, living in yeah, my mother
in law's basement.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
And so crazy when you look at from objectively your
success and what's happening online and what you've created, who
you've collabed with, you downloads, your streams, like it seems unfathomable.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I mean, even I love you, please don't hate me.
On Spotify owners had nearly a billion streams. But you know, Sam,
it doesn't sound like that is that uncommon. I remember
when I was in a jungle with Frankie Munaz different
he was acting, but he still people in his life
had stolen so much money from him without him knowing
as well. Like, it seems like it's something that's sort
(08:58):
of you have to be really careful about.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You absolutely do.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And I think I put too much faith in the
people who I was supposed to. And that's the thing
as artists, as creatives like we are as good as
the people we the village we have around us. And
it sucks that it's not a unique story and that
it's happened to so many and you never think it's
going to happen to you until it does, until you
wake up and your credit card gets to claim you
(09:21):
can't pay rent and he have to move across country
and live with your mother in law in Virginia for
a year and a half.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, I said, yes, we did it. We made it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Oh, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It's okay, honestly, character building and I have an amazing
team now and I've rebuilt and moved to London, and
you know, I'm still building financially, and it's funny. The
perception of me, I feel like, is that I'm well
off because I've had this big hit and I've collabed
with amazing, massive celebrities and whatever. But it's just not
the case. And I think artists in general, we don't
(09:55):
right now in this climate, with the way that Spotify
and all that pay us, we don't really make that
much money from our music. Unless you own your masters.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, Lily Allen just was recently saying she makes more
money on a foot only fans she does from her music.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So yeah, that's what you need to do.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
No one wants to see my fate but that way,
they're great feet. But I'm not going to start.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Maybe if you go a bit further up, you'll do
you know what I made?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Okay, two or three inches will get me a long way.
But but yeah, no, I mean, like, who was it
was it Kate Nash who was talking about the way
she funds her tours on only fans.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Wow, and it's like this is a legend of.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
The game, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
What are we talking about here? And it's just yeah, So,
like I said before, like every decision I'm making now
I am stoked about and I am regardless of what
people say online, I'm thrilled to be putting up music
and doing it on my own terms. And you know,
like hopefully some brands want to get behind her. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, I mean, it's very unfortunate that you are missing
one of the biggest events of the year this year,
my wedding.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But talk about it.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
We're only I'm only allowing.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
It because you've got I don't want to say, a
bigger and better you've got a different opportunity.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Elsewhere in London. But how's London going for you?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
London has been amazing. It has been such a game changer.
I think it's a little more like Australia. It feels
a little more like home. We've been there for about
eight months. I've been going to London for a long time,
but to live there and have pub culture back. We
have an amazing just group of friends. And you know,
my friend's Steph who I did make gap you with
(11:29):
when I was eighteen in the South of England. We
have remained best mates. We're only twenty one, so like
you know, I've only been a couple of years. And
you know, and you're friends with someone who makes you
feel good about yourself, but that you're friends with them,
you're like you chose me, which makes me a good person.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
There's that external validation.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, I mean, but it makes me feel inside.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
We're working on this.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I thought we'd worked on.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Being psychoanalyzed my goodness, but yeah, no, it's been sick.
We have this amazing group of friends. No one's in music,
and that is such a difference from La.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Who your dream person.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
If you could go and perform or go onto her
and support somebody, who is it, let's manifest it.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I mean Ed Cheron, Ed Sharon.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Taylor Swift would also do Wonders too, you know, like
if you got Taylor.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Just came out of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
All of a sudden, like, oh man, but she's been
hustling behind the scenes, she's been doing anything, but Taylor.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Put her on the map. Ed would be sick.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
But you know, I want to sing with my childhood heroes,
like that was a good room and I got to
sing with Guy Sebastian and that was the best. And
we're going to be I don't know if this is
out yet, but it is now. We're going to be
playing a show together in June and in London, which
can be sick.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Guy, is that what you're doing? He said of my wedding.
You're a guy. Oh great, just gets worse.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Like not not no, but also yeah, well, Sam, I'm
so glad you're thriving overseas. I'm so glad you're doing
your own independently. Personally, I want a campaign to get
you back to Australia. I want to see your hosting
one of our Australian TV music shows one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You would be so good for it.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
We should do it together. You're kidding me, all three
of us now.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I don't know. Yeah, you so I.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Need to be your one here.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
You mean, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Let's do it. But then I have a husband that's
not my career period.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Thank you, and it's a team.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
If you guys haven't heard Love Life, please go and
listen to it, Go and download SIMS albums.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Let's support these local industrialists.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But I hope that we see you again on Another
Life on Cut tour as well, and congratulations and everything.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I love you guys. I will come back every time.
I love you.
Well, we have the man himself in the studio with
us today. Sam, You've been a friend of us for
so long. We've done many interviews with you. You even came
on our Life on Cut podcast tour with us to
every single show.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
We couldn't love you more. Welcome to the pick up,
my girls.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
It's so good to be back together again. Come on.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Honestly, the highlight of my life doing that Life on
Cut podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Do you mean the live tour or just the podcast?
Just coming on for one.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Single chat when we were hungover as how in the
studio using a socc as a.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We absolutely were. It was like the night after a
big show. We say a big show, like we're ravers.
We just did a podcast show. It's not like we
wereent out.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
It was incredible using our phones for the camera.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Incurd.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Yes, look that was back when we were budget. We've
really moved up in the world.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We we got lighting so of you.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
You have some big, exciting things happening in your life
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You've moved.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
You also have new head. But more importantly than that,
you have a new single that is out now. It's
called love Life, which the lyrics of this very sentimental. Why, like,
what was the reasoning behind it?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
It's been a crazy year and I am trying to
focus on the joy in my life because I have
a tendency to get quite negative when I talk about
my career because a lot of just bs has happened.
But being independent, moving to a new country, finding myself
there and really trying to hold onto the joy in
my life instead of focusing on everything that has gone
(01:23):
wrong has been a real struggle for me. And so
I just thought of love life because I want to
love life and I want to find a way to
be able to do that.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
And also I just thought, like I thought about my
love life, it's about how to love life.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And when I thought of that, I pat of myself
on the back and I said, you claver basted.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, there have been some big changes, as you just
mentioned though. You've moved to London and you've gone independence.
So it's a really big thing for an artist to
go independent. How has that transition being what.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
To look like? It was really scary at first.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I think going from any kind of major label system
with a team with.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Full budget, really that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
It's so so expensive to be an independent artist, and
you really have to be intentional as ever with every decision,
and there's nothing that can be throwaway. I have a
totally new team and they're all in London and they're
all so supportive and very communicative across absolutely everything, which
I wasn't in the past, and that's what has kind
(02:25):
of screwed me over.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Do you think you can become a bit of a
number when you're with like a big agency.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
One hundred percent? And like when this city was going crazy,
I was number one.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You were the person.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I was the person came the lights on the building.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, And then you know, in a perfect world, had
I had kind of the proper advice been given to
me at the time, I would have put my album
out when this city was massive instead of four years later.
But that is what it is, and focusing on the future,
being able to be independent, to have total creative control
is scarier than anything because every decision comes back on
(02:58):
me and my team is amazing, But at the end
of the day, the captain of the ship is the
you know, the one that stays in the boat to
go down.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And that's the analogy, right guys, that's the same. Yeah,
it is the captain goes down with the ship.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
It does go down, yereat is what I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's a positive or negative? Now I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
You know, as in like, I have so much pride
in the boat that you will see that I'm on
you know what, I'm building this boat by myself and
if it well with the village exactly, if that's really
what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
If it sinks, I will be sinking it. Yes.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But honestly, like, being independent is really cool. I think
there are so many sick independent artists. Bad Bunny is independent.
Raise independent.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
You've also seen though, I mean, like we've talked about
it before, but TikTok has changed the way that music
is pushed out and the way that people engage with music.
And I think so much of like what you are
doing and what has been created, Like you are very
smart with how you use TikTok to push that vehicle.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Thank you and so much.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You're so.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Often don't think, no, you are.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
And it's what happened to you with this city, which
is crazy that that was seven years ago, but now
over the past seven years only twenty one.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You're a baby. You look it too.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Yeah, first, last night, it's funny what you just said. Actually, Sam,
you just if anyone noticed, you just actually got so
excited and frothed when Laura gave you a compliment just
like you're so smart.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
You stopped down and you were like, wow, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And then there is a quote.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
We are coming from a social genius, like both of you.
You're so good. I'm just online.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Mine's not like social. So true.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
True.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I've got a quote from you here where you said,
I think I'm guilty as hell at looking for external validation,
and you genuinely just did that with Laura.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Talk to us still doing it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You talked to us more about that. In relation to
love life.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think it's so easy in this kind of day
and age to be focused on the likes and the
views and the numbers of it all. There have been
times when I've posted a song being so excited about it,
and it doesn't get the reaction that I thought it would,
and then I get turned off the song, and that
sucks because I know how excited I am about these songs,
and I think I've had to rewire my brain to
(05:08):
focus on the art and just be proud of myself
that I'm making this kind of music, and that's what
this song is kind of about.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's kind of you know, it's a confession.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
It's my music, Like, let's be real, it's always a confession,
but it's more like, Hey, this is the way that
I've been and this is how I'm going to be
going forward, because life is too short to be worried
about numbers and you know, shait comments.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But you say this about songs.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
But I think people show up like this on social
media all the time in different ways. Like people might
post something that they've created or spent time doing and
then it gets no engagement, and then there's this feeling
of like I'm in a delete it because it's not
good enough.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I know that that is like such a minute comparison,
but I think we have built a society where we
are kind of pushed to get our validation externally, not
within the people or the things that we do or
what we like.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
It's a hard game to fall into, and it is
the way that kind of the world is going right now,
with social media and everything and being on the label
and having the pressure of like you need to get
five thousand pre saves on a song, and then once
you get to five thousand, they're like, Okay, let's push
for twenty thousand, and then you get to twenty thousand,
you push for fifty thousand, and if you don't get
to fifty thousand, then the label's like, oh, maybe this
(06:15):
isn't going to work. And you're like, well, I hit
all these other goals. So it was always goalpost being
pushed and pushed and pushed. And now I'm celebrating the
little winds and I'm just excited to get music out.
And this year I'm putting out so much music. There's
going to be consistent releases. As soon as this song
comes out day after I get ready for me to
tease a new song. Yeah, and I have collapse and
(06:36):
I have tours coming. I'm opening for Brett Young in May.
That's so excited. It's so sick. He's the homie. We're
playing two nights at the Mr.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Brett Young is like superstar international, superstar country art.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
First show was already sold out. Second show, steal some tickets.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
To go, steal some tickets left. It's going quick. But
what's so cool is when I was eighteen, I worked
the Barrett in my theater and when my parents split
my mom moved moved to down the road from them
my theater, and I always used to walk past and
just wish that one day I could play in this theater.
And so it's going to be a sick hometown show
homecoming kind of I don't know, check boke, that's.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
A grateful circle moment, like pulling beers there exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Now I would be the one people.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Are getting drunk too. Yeah, now you can buy the beers.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I've seen a couple of songs.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I have a question for you in terms of like
some of the songs and the lyrics that you write, Like,
obviously they're very personal, and even when you talk about them,
it's kind of like it's a personal discovery or like
a little bit of a diary entry. How does your
wife feel, who's also a musician, when she hears some
of the vulnerable parts of songs, like it does it
bring you guys together?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Do you talk about it? Like how does that conversation
fold out?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I mean Aaron has been with me this whole journey,
so she knows everything, and she's seen everything go down,
and there's been a lot of stuff that the public
doesn't know that's happened behind the scenes, which was devastating.
I mean, to be totally transparent. The reason we left
LA was because I discovered that I had no money
(08:06):
and I was trying to figure out where that money
had gone, and I realized that there was some bad
faith actors messing about, and so we went through having
to sell everything, pack up our little car and drive
to Virginia and we were in her mum's place for
a year and a half, living in yeah, my mother
in law's basement.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
And so crazy when you look at from objectively your
success and what's happening online and what you've created, who
you've collabed with, you downloads, your streams, like it seems unfathomable.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I mean, even I love you, please don't hate me.
On Spotify owners had nearly a billion streams. But you know, Sam,
it doesn't sound like that is that uncommon. I remember
when I was in a jungle with Frankie Munaz different
he was acting, but he still people in his life
had stolen so much money from him without him knowing
as well. Like, it seems like it's something that's sort
(08:58):
of you have to be really careful about.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You absolutely do.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And I think I put too much faith in the
people who I was supposed to. And that's the thing
as artists, as creatives like we are as good as
the people we the village we have around us. And
it sucks that it's not a unique story and that
it's happened to so many and you never think it's
going to happen to you until it does, until you
wake up and your credit card gets to claim you
(09:21):
can't pay rent and he have to move across country
and live with your mother in law in Virginia for
a year and a half.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, I said, yes, we did it. We made it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Oh, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It's okay, honestly, character building and I have an amazing
team now and I've rebuilt and moved to London, and
you know, I'm still building financially, and it's funny. The
perception of me, I feel like, is that I'm well
off because I've had this big hit and I've collabed
with amazing, massive celebrities and whatever. But it's just not
the case. And I think artists in general, we don't
(09:55):
right now in this climate, with the way that Spotify
and all that pay us, we don't really make that
much money from our music. Unless you own your masters.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, Lily Allen just was recently saying she makes more
money on a foot only fans she does from her music.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So yeah, that's what you need to do.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
No one wants to see my fate but that way,
they're great feet. But I'm not going to start.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Maybe if you go a bit further up, you'll do
you know what I made?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Okay, two or three inches will get me a long way.
But but yeah, no, I mean, like, who was it
was it Kate Nash who was talking about the way
she funds her tours on only fans.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Wow, and it's like this is a legend of.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
The game, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
What are we talking about here? And it's just yeah, So,
like I said before, like every decision I'm making now
I am stoked about and I am regardless of what
people say online, I'm thrilled to be putting up music
and doing it on my own terms. And you know,
like hopefully some brands want to get behind her. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, I mean, it's very unfortunate that you are missing
one of the biggest events of the year this year,
my wedding.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But talk about it.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
We're only I'm only allowing.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
It because you've got I don't want to say, a
bigger and better you've got a different opportunity.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Elsewhere in London. But how's London going for you?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
London has been amazing. It has been such a game changer.
I think it's a little more like Australia. It feels
a little more like home. We've been there for about
eight months. I've been going to London for a long time,
but to live there and have pub culture back. We
have an amazing just group of friends. And you know,
my friend's Steph who I did make gap you with
(11:29):
when I was eighteen in the South of England. We
have remained best mates. We're only twenty one, so like
you know, I've only been a couple of years. And
you know, and you're friends with someone who makes you
feel good about yourself, but that you're friends with them,
you're like you chose me, which makes me a good person.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
There's that external validation.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, I mean, but it makes me feel inside.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
We're working on this.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I thought we'd worked on.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Being psychoanalyzed my goodness, but yeah, no, it's been sick.
We have this amazing group of friends. No one's in music,
and that is such a difference from La.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Who your dream person.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
If you could go and perform or go onto her
and support somebody, who is it, let's manifest it.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I mean Ed Cheron, Ed Sharon.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Taylor Swift would also do Wonders too, you know, like
if you got Taylor.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Just came out of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
All of a sudden, like, oh man, but she's been
hustling behind the scenes, she's been doing anything, but Taylor.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Put her on the map. Ed would be sick.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
But you know, I want to sing with my childhood heroes,
like that was a good room and I got to
sing with Guy Sebastian and that was the best. And
we're going to be I don't know if this is
out yet, but it is now. We're going to be
playing a show together in June and in London, which
can be sick.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Guy, is that what you're doing? He said of my wedding.
You're a guy. Oh great, just gets worse.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Like not not no, but also yeah, well, Sam, I'm
so glad you're thriving overseas. I'm so glad you're doing
your own independently. Personally, I want a campaign to get
you back to Australia. I want to see your hosting
one of our Australian TV music shows one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You would be so good for it.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
We should do it together. You're kidding me, all three
of us now.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I don't know. Yeah, you so I.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Need to be your one here.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
You mean, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Let's do it. But then I have a husband that's
not my career period.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Thank you, and it's a team.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
If you guys haven't heard Love Life, please go and
listen to it, Go and download SIMS albums.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Let's support these local industrialists.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But I hope that we see you again on Another
Life on Cut tour as well, and congratulations and everything.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I love you guys. I will come back every time.
I love you.
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