November 17, 2025 • 33 mins
If you’re someone who replays conversations, polls the group chat before making a decision, spirals in the shower, or holds yourself back because you're scared of judgment… this episode is FOR YOU.
Today, Georgina and Jayme are back on the mics sharing:
✨ The real reason overthinking happens
✨ How to build self-trust again
✨ Why other people’s opinions truly don’t matter
✨ How your ego keeps you small without you noticing
✨ Micro-habits that instantly pull you out of a spiral
Plus, we give you “homework” after each point so you can put these tips into practice and actually move forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of the
land on which this episode is being recorded, the Combomb
Merry people. They've been having conversations and telling stories on
this land for thousands of years, and we show our
gratitude and respect for their contribution to our environment and culture.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello everyone, welcome back to the in Between. It is
Jamie and Jotita back in your ear Holt.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Back on the mics. Thank god, get us back.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Being a hot minute, hasn't it. Gee, it's been a
hot minute. The episodes we recorded prior to the ones
listening now, we did those earlier in the year, so
it's been a while since we're back.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
In the season.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
But today we have a very important, exciting.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
What's what's another word got that we feel like.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We are almost the CEO of because we have gone
on a journey. We are talking about overthinking and how
to stop it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
How to stop it.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
We've got six tips or ways that you can stop overthinking.
Jamie and I are both we've both got big heads,
big mind, big brains. We overthink, sheper smart. We overthink
a lot of things. So we've been on a bit
of a journey for a while of trying to get
out of this funk of just overthinking everything. So we're
sharing our top tips with you because we think they've
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really really helped.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I feel like a completely different person, Like if you
had have shown me twenty seventeen Jamie who just would
always get in overthinking spirals versus me.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Now, big difference, mind blown and like overthinking. If you're
viewing your life through that lens, it's just like panic,
franticness heightened, Like it's just not a nice way to
live your life. And you can easily do a few
things to calm yourself and get out of it. So
I feel like this is really important, and everyone, especially women,
we all overthink.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So I feel like this is a really good Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I feel like it's such a common topic that I
speak about even with my clients, like so many people
they just get overthinking is such a natural thing that
humans get stuck in. So learning how to overcome that
and move through that, would you say it's like one
of the one of the most powerful things you can do. Yeah,
because if you are overthinking things number one low frequency
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number two, you just like constantly wondering where you stand
with everyone, and you're not really staying in your own lane.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
It's a fit like paranoia es. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, Well, we actually had a running joke for about
the first year of G working at RNC because member
we used to see how paranoid.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You I was.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Also was in my human design, Remember, it was like
one of my tendencies was like paranoia.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Paranoia.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But I feel like you've come so far, except if
you're at a cafe and you haven't ordered a coffee yet,
we think the cafe I hate you.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
They like, come on quick, We've got to go there.
We'll go to a cafe and Jamie and I will
sit there and she'll wait like thirty minutes before ordering anything.
And we're sitting at like this the best table in
the house, taking up space with laptops and charges, and
we haven't ordered anything, and they're like, I'm you know,
I will maybe come back for a round two. But
should we get into our tit?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Let's get into it.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
So tip number one, and this is something that I
feel like I'm well versed in. Overthinking comes from a
lack of self trust. That's basically what it is. You
don't trust yourself to make decisions, and so you're waiting
for the perfect plan you're waiting for external validation, and
that's what causes the freak outs and considering every possible
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avenue because you don't have the blacks trust in yourself.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
To make that decision.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And I feel like the more you rely on others
and that external validation, the further away you get from
your intuition. Because once you get in a cycle of
just being like, oh, I'll just ask my friends or
I'll just chat GPT or whatever it is, you're less
likely to like tap in, lean into yourself, your soul
what you actually want, So you just get further and
further away, which means you trust yourself less and less,
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and then it just becomes this like toxic spiral.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I feel that also it's almost like a distraction because
if you're going around and asking everyone like what to
do or what should I wear, or like even what
to wear to like an event, and you're like polling everyone,
imagine if you just decided and then you could go
and do something else, and how much quicker you would
move through life, Like it almost just is a way
to kind of.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
And also polling everyone.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The outfit you choose is based off everyone else's opinion,
Like you're not actually doing what's true to you and
what you want to wear. You're like, well, Sally Smith
over here thinks I look hot and pink. If she
thinks I look great, let's go with that. But actually,
deep down you felt like you wanted to wear purple
and that's your favorite color. But you're just like living
your life then for this external validation of others.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, and you get so much further away from who
you are. And I think it's why so many people
are living so out of alignment, because they're just so
into what does this person think and what does this
person think? And what does this person think? What does
this person think? Rather than being like, okay, well what
do I actually want and what feels for me in
this moment? And how can I just make the decision
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and move forward? And I think that's why so many
people get stuck in this like I don't know what
to do. I don't know what the next step is
because they haven't actually built that foundation of self trust.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, and how to build that self trust you kind
of know if it's broken on it, I feel like
you have a feeling.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
If it's not there.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Self trust comes from small steps like keeping the promises
you make to yourself, even if it's something as small
as like, oh, I'm going to go for a walk
this afternoon, and then you don't. Every time you don't
stick to your word, you break that self trust a
little bit. So reverse that and flip it and make
sure that you're doing little steps and keeping your promise
on things. And then also think about, like, what's something
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that I can do that proves to myself I can
handle it or I can do it, like to give
you that feeling of like that you back yourself and
you trust yourself, even if it's something doesn't have to
be super uncomfortable, but even if it's like going to
a cafe by yourself or just ordering a coffee or
something a little bit different than might be slightly out
of the norm, doing something that feels a little bit
on edge like that, and then doing it you have
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that sense of like, oh I can do this, and
like the pride and like that you've conquered something yep.
That just lights that little bit of a fire in
you every single time to be like I've got myself,
I can handle this. Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Love that.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So to finish on this self trust point, your little
homework for this one is to think about where are
you outsourcing decisions to other people getting validation that you
could be making yourself. So for the next week, anything
that comes up, try and feel into yourself first, see
what you really want to do, make decisions from yourself,
your intuition, and your heart, and then also do little
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things that kind of stretches yourself and proves to you
that you've got that self trust and you can do it.
I think even like little things if you're say, out
for dinner or something and you go to ask the
table like what are you guys having? Don't do those things,
like just make sure you're making an internal decision before
you start engaging that conversation so you can really build
that muscle, because I think it's such a habit, like
you kind of be like, oh, what are you having?
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Or what what are you going to do? Or what
are you going to get?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Or and then it just it ruins that because then
you're all like cloudy and you're overthinking.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
And also how good do you feel, you know, and
you've made a decision like that, or you're just decided
and you're like, yep, this is what I'm doing. This
is what I'm having and this is what I'm doing
and you're just still really good and you're like, don't
need to question it or you know anything like that.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It does it makes you feel really good. You're like, oh,
I can do this.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I've got myself.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I've got myself.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I've got myself.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And we even said since moving to the Gold Coast,
how amazing it has been to build so much like
I've got myself, Like, no matter what happens, I've got me.
And how good that feeling is is backing yourself and
how it's just so important to have that or else
you're kind of like always making decisions based off for
what if I lose that or don't.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Have this, And that's where the overthinking comes. Yeah, right,
Like that's where then you have to have ten different
thoughts and spirals about all these things. Whereas if you've
got the confidence and the self trust, you make a decision,
you back yourself, you know you can do it, you
can handle it. It eliminates all of the energy wasted
on thinking all these thoughts. Yeah, love all right.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Next one, Okay, next tip and also probably my favorite
tip of the six that resonates with me the most
is stop caring what other people think? Yeah, I think
this is probably the biggest one that people get so
in their head about, like even leaving social events and
you're like.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Oh, should I have said that? Or should I do this?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Or starting ventures like starting businesses or starting to post online.
You're worried about what everyone else is going to think.
And I think it's so fair and valid because as
humans we need a tribe around us in order to survive.
That's very like instinctual. But it's such a powerful thing
to understand that other people's of opinions are actually none
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of your business.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I feel like we hear this a lot on social
media and online right, and it's so easily said, just
like stop caring what other people think, of course, but
how do you actually do that because no one really
talks about how to do that and commit to it
and actually feel it's just like a stop caring. Yeah,
it's nice to say that care, It's not easy. Well,
I think a few things because I've been on a
big journey with this. I think I really had to
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work with my coach on this. At the end of
last year, in the lead up to launching my business
because I knew that there was going to be opinions.
I was going to be putting myself out there, and
you know what there was There was people that had
opinions on it. And that's actually fine because I really
had to teach myself that what people think of you
is just a projection of what's going on in their
internal world. And every time I start to overthink, I
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stop myself and go what's going on for them for
them to have that opinion on me, because it's actually
nothing to do with me and everything to do with
them and what they're going through, and you know, they're
limiting beliefs. For example, if someone told me starting a
business and they hadn't started the business that they want to,
they'd be like, oh, who is she to start a business?
Like she doesn't know what she's doing or blah blah blah.
So then it comes back to what's going on for them.
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And the second one is just like expanding your nervous
system to be okay with that. So when I first
started posting, I would maybe overthink it and be like, oh,
like what are people thinking? What are people saying?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And you just keep doing it and your body eventually
lo that it is safe to do that, and you
expand your capacity.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And it becomes your normal.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And I think so many people wait for the feeling
of being like, Okay, I'm ready, I don't care what
people think, but they haven't taken any action. So you're
just expanding your capacity for that in order to be
like it's actually safe. And even when people I've heard
of people saying things about me or whatever, it is, okay,
I survived, Like it's fine, I'm okay if they have
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that opinion on me, and learning to be okay with
being misunderstood or that not everyone's going to support you
and not everyone's going to agree with you, because if
you have that mentality, you will never do anything because
there's always going to be people who are going to
say something yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
And also, like, if you think about it, everyone is
so busy in their own lives, in their own minds.
No one is sitting there spending their whole day thinking
about you, like think about yourself. No, are you thinking
about Tom Smith's posts from last week? Absolutely not, Like
you're so busy in your own mind that if someone
has a thought or you know, projected feeling towards you,
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it might sit there for all of five seconds fleeting,
and they'd be like, oh, Jamie did that, and then
see later they never think about it ever again because
everyone is in their own mind and they're too busy.
So in a nice way, you're not that important. Like
no one's spending all of their day and all of
their energy thinking about you. If they are, someone's been
wrong there, and I wouldn't really care about what that person.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And it's people who are struggling with their own like
internal world and what's going on for them. Because also
I think that no one that's done the thing or
is ahead of me, or is feeling really secure and
where they are is actually taking any notice of what
I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
They're so like happy and.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
In their own world and feeling so good about themselves.
It's like coming from a lack or insecurity. Insecurity inquity
coming from a lack or an insecurity. So I think
just reminding yourself of that when you get in that
mindset and when you start the overthinking, go Okay, well,
what's going on for them?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Why do they have that opinion or what?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
But you might not even know.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Man, you probably don't know because it's probably some child
with trauma from when they were seven years old that
you're not going to know it's like deep down in Yeah.
So also don't get too caught up and being like
like thinking about them, just like it's not my problem.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
No, And most of the time you won't actually know
what other people's opinions of you are unless it's some
random seven to sixty five on the internet.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah, but also who cares?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Who cares?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And also think about imagine getting to the end of
your life not doing what you wanted, not starting the business,
not putting yourself out there because of what other people
might have thought of you once in twenty twenty five, Like,
you can't live your life that way, otherwise you will
get to the end and have never done anything that
you wanted.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, honestly, I just I feel like it's just about
strengthening that muscle and just being okay with being misunderstood.
And also another point, my last point for this is
I think something that I really started to notice because
I promised myself about two months ago I was going
to start putting myself out there more and showing more
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conviction online and being more authentically me because I knew
that there was so much power and magic in that,
and the people that have been coming into my world
because of that, and the feedback and engagement and the
messages have been way more than when I wasn't showing
up in that way. And I think the more you
you can be, the more closer you get to your people.
But it also comes with the other flip side of
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that is the further a way you get from the
people who aren't meant to be in your world. So
I think it's just understanding the duality of that and.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Being okay with that balance because it's an energy you
give off like you can feel it, like if you
were a little bit cheapish and awkward and won't giving
your full self, people can feel that, whereas if you're
your true self, it's magnetic. The right people are drawn
to you. But what is the homework for this? Is
it like a bit of an exposure therapy. What's the homework?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I'm going to give you a prompt for this, And
also I think exposure therapy. So if there is something
that you have been holding yourself back from, like posting online,
starting a business, starting a conversation, reaching out to someone
that you've been holding back in fear of someone's opinion,
Go and do it and show yourself that it is
safe to do it, because I promise you, the more
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that you expose yourself to that, the more comfortable and
normal it becomes, and you'll just get out of this
overthinking cycle. And the second thing is to go in
journal or think about if no one else could have
an opinion, what would you.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Be doing differently. That's good and it can be baby steps,
Like it doesn't have to be like starting the Instagram
today and like those a video of you talking. It
can be really small. It can just be like you're
looking into it, or like sitting and visualizing the feeling
of what it would be like to be seen online,
or you know, even whatever. It is really small steps.
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It can be baby steps. It doesn't have to be
the whole damn thing with the kitchen sink. So the
next tip is to do with getting out of victim
mode and taking responsibility. Now, this is a bit of
a touchy one because it can be really hard. Number one,
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we can't always see when we're in victim mode. And
number two, who our ego is going to try and
keep us safe and protect us in that? So overthinking
is the mind's way of protecting us. It's keeping us
safe and distant from rejection, fear, responsibility. So to kind
of go into that and do the opposite it can
feel a little bit scary and uneasy. So shift from
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like why is this happening to me? To what can
I do right now? Because often when we're overthinking and
sitting in victim mode, we think are being productive because
we're distancing ourselves. We're like, no, we're just waiting or
like we're seeing or whatever it is. But it's actually
a false sense of control because it's not You're doing
it to prevent yourself from doing something because you're scared
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or you're stuck. But then you end up just like
staying in limbo. So it's not productive. So take, like,
you know, sit down, have a look at your life,
have a look at some patterns that are coming up,
or where you feel a bit like, oh, this is
happening to me, I'm stuck, this isn't going the way
I want, And just try and zoom out and have
a bit of a bird's eye perspective and look at
it and be like, where can I take some responsibility?
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What action could I be taking instead of waiting or
blaming other things. Because if you're sitting there being like, oh,
but there's this, and like I can't actually do this
because there's this, you're scared, which is totally fine, like that,
we're all scared. That's normal, But let's unpack why are
you scared? What are you protecting yourself from? What's stopping you?
Because on the other side of that fear and the
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false sense of control is probably everything that you want
and you're waiting for.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, I think overthinking is just a version of self sabotage.
It's just your ego's way of protecting you so you
don't actually have to step into the thing and you
don't have to go into a new level and feel growth.
It's either overthinking or it's getting distracted, or it's procrastinating,
like you're all everyone has a crutch, Everyone has a
thing that they do when their ego is trying to
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protect them from moving. So I think it's just recognizing
that and being like, Okay, am I is this actually
a problem? Or am I making a problem out of
nothing so that I don't have to move?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, which can be confusing because it's you know, quote
unquote the bad things that's actually your ego protecting you.
It's trying to do a good job because it's like, oh,
rejection is scary. Let's not be rejected. Let's just keep
ourselves in this safe, little comfort zone where we're safe
and warm. Let's not go and do the scary thing,
which you know, thank you ego for protecting me, because
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that's so nice. That's a safety strategy, which we love,
but we don't need that anymore. We're ready to move
into this next level. So you can thank it and
acknowledge it, but then kind of open yourself up to
be like, ooh, already, where do I want to move here?
Where am I staying stuck? What are the patterns that
are keeping me here? And how can I move beyond that.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I normalize having the thoughts but doing the thing anyway,
because I think you're not really going to get to
a point of your life where you're not thinking of
the what ifs or the worry. That is a very
natural thing, But it's about having those thoughts and just
doing the thing anyway.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, And like I really feel like taking responsibility, like
radical responsibility, is so freeing. Like imagine if you're in
like a little jail cell and you're like, I didn't
do the thing, like I'm stuck here. Why am I
stuck here? And you're like banging on the cages being
like let me out, guards, like I didn't do the thing.
Verse Like if you sit there and you're like, yeah,
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I did that, I I whatever, it is, like, this
is my fault. I could have done this, this, and
this differently. I own my shit, Like yeah, and I'm
going to do this differently next time. You're going to
go so much further and learn from everything in the
long run. Then if you just stay there and be like, no,
that wasn't me. I had nothing to do with that.
It was everyone else's fault.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I remember Sitto saying that to me once. She's like,
if there's anything you're ever like feeling you're worried, people
will call you out on just call yourself out first,
and then they've got no.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Power of you.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, it takes it away.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, it's like, well, you're only going to have those
feelings if you allow those feelings to be real. But
if you're if you just own it and you just
take responsibility and say the thing, well no one can
say anything about it because you've already said it yourself.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Yeah, shadow works really powerful. Also great book to read
with this is Existential. I can't remember who it's by,
but it's one of my favorite books of all the time.
It's one of the books that's like really changed the
game for me. It's all about like viewing your shadows
and incorporating them and like quote unquote getting a kink
out of them, kind of being like, oh, yeah, like
I do do that, yeah, and like making it a
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whole part of you, as opposed to distancing and being
like that's a bad side of me.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I have to shun that side.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
It's like integrating it and shining a light on it,
and then you can move forward, which is really cool.
Definitely check that book out. But your homework for this
point is just to kind of sit down and have
a look at your patterns where you're feeling a bit
stuck and just be like, where can I take responsibility here?
Where am I saying stuck and maybe blaming some other
things in areas that I could be taking actually and
moving forward?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Love.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Tip number four is let go off the control of
the outcome. This is huge because I think this is
such a big reason why people get stuck in overthinking
and perfectionism is because they're so stuck on the outcome
of the situation. And I think one of the biggest
things to strengthen and learn is surrender and a most
trusting that however it unfolds, and whatever unfolds is perfect
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for your evolution and is exactly either the lessons or
the direction that you needed to go, because I think
you can never control an outcome, You can never know
what is exactly going to happen. And if you get
stuck in the mode of I need to know how
it's going to go and I need to know what's
going to happen, it's going to be paralyzing and you're
going to stay stuck in that forever. And I think
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one of the most freeing things or sentences that I
say when I get stuck in these modes of getting
stuck in the outcome is Jamie, it's going to work
out exactly as it's meant to.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
And that's a part of your evolution that you can't see.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And I know that George always talks about that example
of Ivy with the lollies and not knowing that if
she has that before bed she's not gonna be able
to sleep, she's gonna be all like but she knows.
And Georgie in this scenario is the universe and we
are ivy.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
We are so you don't know what's.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
The best thing for you and just trusting that whatever
happens and however it goes is perfect.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And this is something I really struggle with too, because
I'm quite the perfectionist.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I like control.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And I read this saying the other day that was like,
if you're waiting for all of these certain areas of
your life to line up and be these certain outcomes
in order for you to be peaceful, that's not peace.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
It's control.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Peace is being calm amongst all the chaos and all
the things happening. And I feel like that's so true,
because if you're overthinking and being like, well, this has
to be like this, and this has to be like this,
that's not genuinely calm and flow and peace.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
It's control.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, I know, And I think it's just that vibration
and energetic shift of okay, but it's actually just almost
being a little bit delusional that it is actually working
out perfectly. Even every time I feel that like tenseness
or I need a rash or need to do this
or need to do that. I'm like it's working up perfectly,
and just the calmness that comes over you, and that's
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the goal.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I think it's so hard and there's such a resistance
to do that because you know, our whole life, we've
been built to be in control for our safety and
expect outcomes.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So we're ready and we're prepared.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And like, if you control things, then you know, like
you can see all the things in the dark and
you feel safe. But if you release that and let go,
like you if you can't see things, it could be
something you're not expecting it. It could be scary. That's why
it feels so resistant because as humans, I feel like
we're kind of wide and designed that way. But being
in that kind of like I want to say, chill.
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Being in that chill mode where you're just surrendered and
you trust life is just so much more enjoyable and
peaceful and you can be surprised and delighted in lots
of different ways and just know that you can handle
whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And I think also the biggest thing for me is
imagine the life that you're blocking being stuck on one
outcome because you are only where you are right now,
and if you think about it, you have so many
evolutions to come. But your brain is thinking in that
you are right now. So if you're controlled on the outcome,
it's probably.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
One step ahead.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
But imagine if you could be one hundred steps ahead
if you just surrendered and let go of the outcome,
because there's so much more possible than you can even
fathom right now.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Your brain can't actually conceptualize. There's six levels ahead of
you because think about you six years ago when you
were living in Melbourne working in your corporate job or
whatever it was, and you were like hating life. You
couldn't have even fathomed being sitting here on the Gold
Coast in this job doing what you do, just.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Like right now.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Your mind actually can't imagine or conceptualize all of the
steps ahead for good reason, because it's you're supposed to
be kind of guided in, surprised and delighted along the way.
So it's like just let go and trust, which that
can be hard because you've got to believe that you're
worthy of all of these good things coming. But just
go for a little bit and see what happens. Like,
maybe that's why I work with this.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I know, because even if I had a thought back then,
my dream life could have been just working from home
in that job rather than having to go in the
office every day. But now, if I look at my
life now, it's I would have never thought that was possible.
And if I didn't let go of the outcome, and
I was so stuck on that outcome.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Maybe you would have pushed and fought really hard to
with your current job to like, please, can I have
a work from home down whatever? And then you stayed
in that and didn't get here because you tried to
control the outcome. Yeah, whoa, So what's the time work?
So the work is nothing? Just Jill, stop asking for
an outcome. Yeah okay.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So the prompt for this is can I be okay
not knowing how and just trust that it's working out
for me and just start leaning into the energy of
even I love I love playing around me. That the
idea of this sentence. When I'm feeling a bit constricted
or like wanting to rush or being really in my
logical brain, what like, imagine if it just worked out
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perfectly right now and then just like that shift of
energy has done so much for me, and just allowing
myself to step into that energy rather than being so
focused on the outcome in that moment, love that love.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Next tip, arguably one of the most important ones, oh,
is get out of your head and into your body.
About your thinking, Georgina, what I'm in my body? I
live in my body. I know you do, but this
is like where your presence is, where your thinking is
a lot of us are in our stuck in our heads,
which means that we're in you know, anxiety, overwhelm, overthinking,
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we're future tripping. But you can't think your way out
of anxiety, or you can't think your way out of
a problem. Like in your mind is where all of
your limiting beliefs are, the fears, all of those things
that kind of like get in and freak you out.
Whereas if you just drop into your body and have
like your innate wisdom and power, that's where all the
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truth is. And the way that you drop into your
body and get out of your head is by meditating, journaling,
being our nature, grounding yourself. Like do you ever notice
if you're feeling a bit panicked, if you just go outside,
look into the sun, like, take some deep breaths. You
automatically just feel a bit less frantic. That's because you're
in your head versus your body. And then you know,
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if you go and get a massage or you spend
the day on a nature walk, you finish.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And you're like, oh, it's actually like not so bad.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I'm feeling okay because you're connected and you're in your body.
That is why, obviously we have our app Rise, which
has got all different meditations and audio frequencies designed to
help you do just that. So often, if I'm like
I can feel myself being really in my mind and
overthinking things, I'll just go for a little walk and
play one of those meditations, might put my hand on
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my heart and just breathe and I'm like, oh, it's okay,
I'm gonna be okay. I'm gonna be okay, and just
pulls you back into the present.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Well, we actually have one of my favorite regulation practices
to bring me back to the present. We recorded a
meditation the other day.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
It should be life.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
By the time this episode comes out, but depending on
the timing of all of that, it's coming. And it's
called like the Five Census meditation, and it's basically just
what can you hear, what can you see?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
What can you taste, what can you smell? What can
you touch?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And it just allows you to you're not stuck in
overthinking as you're thinking about what can I experience right
now in the present moment.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
And that's been one of my favorite practices.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
So I thought, let's bring it into the Rise app
and make it a meditation where you can just really
drop in. And it's only five minutes, so you can
do it at any point in the day. If you're
feeling frantic at work, if you're feeling rushed in the morning,
if you're whatever it is, kids are having a moment's crazy,
drop in, do the five minutes, and come back to
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the present, and then you can move forward in such
a clear way.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
So there's this quote or saying that I wanted to
pass on because I like this has been really helpful
for me. Whenever you're having a bit of a moment,
a bit of a you know, spiral, say to yourself
when I start to spiral, I remind myself, I am
not my thoughts, I'm just my body having an experience.
So I move breathe or ground until I feel present again,
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and just kind of having that thought in the back
of your mind as a reminder to be Like, every
time I'm in my head i'm feeling frantic and frustrated
or overwhelmed, I come back to myself. I, you know,
get in touch with my senses nature. I breathe and
I just feel good again. I feel calm and grounded,
and then you can be a bit more in touch
with your intuition, make the right decisions, not be caught
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up in the little unimportant details. Being in your body
is so important. I love that.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
My dad used to always teach me that growing up
for contact. My dad's bit of a life coach onto
logical coach so very a wisdom as man, and he
used to always teach me that my emotions are not me,
They're just explaining what I'm experiencing in the moment. And
if you can detach from that, it's the same with.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Your thoughts and come back to yourself.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Okay, I'm thinking this, what's going on for me in
this moment, and what is that feedback loop that I'm
currently experiencing.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Game change, because then you're not just.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Living off reactivity or being intentional with what's actually going
on and what that emotional thought is telling you.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, and especially when we live such busy lives, like
we're always rushing around in the car doing things, ticking
off our to do list. Just taking five minutes a
day to be with yourself, be present, connect back with
your body. It can change the energy of the whole
day and the whole week and the decisions that you make.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Per So that's an important one.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
So it's that the homework for the week coming back
to the quote, the homework come back to the quote,
and just kind of you know, whether you set a
little moment in your calendar or a reminder or something,
just take five minutes a day to reconnect, even if
it's just going for a walk with no music or
no audio and just kind of like looking around, you know, breathing,
taking some time in silence. That can be really powerful
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to to to You'll notice how much more grounded and
present you feel, and it will really help with the overthinking.
Love it, Love it next Tipperuni.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay number six and I kind of touched on this earlier,
but take imperfect action, Stop waiting for the right moment,
to not have any fear to have all of the
knowledge and everything and just take action. I feel like
if you can become someone who focuses on the step
ahead rather than the ten steps ahead, because the ten
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steps ahead is where you get in overthinking because you
haven't even taken one step, so then you're thinking, well,
how does this look? And then that and then the
next thing. And then if you can just focus on
the one step ahead of you and take that and
then okay, I've made that step, what can I do next,
and just slowly start to become someone who just moves
rather than thinks about the whole plan and the whole everything.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
What do I call it? It's like paralysis something paralysis.
There's a term for.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It, decision decision paralysis. That's when there's so many different
decisions and you don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Maybe.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I'm just like, if you have so many things, you
don't know what's the priority, and then you just don't
do anything.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And if you get caught in
like thinking about the whole plan. I think that's something
that I really focus on when I'm trying to get
a big project done or anything like that. If you
try and think of the project as a whole, you
end up just procrastinating because it feels so overwhelming. But
if you think of, Okay, today, I'm going to get
this done. And this is why every day, for either
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RNC or my business, I've got three to five master
tasks or main task that I need to get done
for the day.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Because if you've got a list.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Of one hundred things every single day, you're going to
constantly spend probably fifty percent of your time just figuring
out what you're going to do. So if you lay
it out to just have three to five things every
single day that you can tick off and get done
and focus on.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
And tell us what that builds self trust.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It builds self trust, and it all comes together out.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Then you do a meditation when you're done, then you
feel good in your body.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Overthinking who honestly, what's that song?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I was just thinking?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
But baby steps that that's like a moto right now.
I don't know it, but I don't know it with
you anyway, really relevant, But that's the motto right now?
Play that every day, like just little steps, little things
every day.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, Because I think overthinking comes when you overwhelm yourself
as well with so many different things that you need
to do or one hundred steps ahead, and I think
even thinking, Okay, what's my five year plan? I want
to be here, and then all that you're not going
to make a decision because you're so caught up trying
to figure out what the hell to do. Just like
to just take action and also just be present and
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be like, you know, what, what do I feel like
right now?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
What's enjoyable? What can and can't I control?
Speaker 4 (32:33):
If I can't control those things, worry about it, Like
I honestly think, yeah, all these tips have been really helpful.
You and I both know that we've used them. But
once you kind of like give it a go and
commit and feel the difference, you will understand how much
overthinking holds you back and stops you from doing things,
and just like releasing that just feels so good.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I know. And if I had had these tips six, seven,
eight years ago, my god, I would have done exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
But we're doing it now. So that's that's that all
that counts because birthday bitsteps.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in. As always,
if you love this episode, please leave us a review
jump in the DM so we love hearing your feedback
and we'll be back in your ears soon.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
We'll catch you in the next one.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Bye bye,
I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of the
land on which this episode is being recorded, the Combomb
Merry people. They've been having conversations and telling stories on
this land for thousands of years, and we show our
gratitude and respect for their contribution to our environment and culture.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello everyone, welcome back to the in Between. It is
Jamie and Jotita back in your ear Holt.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Back on the mics. Thank god, get us back.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Being a hot minute, hasn't it. Gee, it's been a
hot minute. The episodes we recorded prior to the ones
listening now, we did those earlier in the year, so
it's been a while since we're back.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
In the season.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
But today we have a very important, exciting.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
What's what's another word got that we feel like.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We are almost the CEO of because we have gone
on a journey. We are talking about overthinking and how
to stop it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
How to stop it.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
We've got six tips or ways that you can stop overthinking.
Jamie and I are both we've both got big heads,
big mind, big brains. We overthink, sheper smart. We overthink
a lot of things. So we've been on a bit
of a journey for a while of trying to get
out of this funk of just overthinking everything. So we're
sharing our top tips with you because we think they've
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really really helped.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I feel like a completely different person, Like if you
had have shown me twenty seventeen Jamie who just would
always get in overthinking spirals versus me.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Now, big difference, mind blown and like overthinking. If you're
viewing your life through that lens, it's just like panic,
franticness heightened, Like it's just not a nice way to
live your life. And you can easily do a few
things to calm yourself and get out of it. So
I feel like this is really important, and everyone, especially women,
we all overthink.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So I feel like this is a really good Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I feel like it's such a common topic that I
speak about even with my clients, like so many people
they just get overthinking is such a natural thing that
humans get stuck in. So learning how to overcome that
and move through that, would you say it's like one
of the one of the most powerful things you can do. Yeah,
because if you are overthinking things number one low frequency
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number two, you just like constantly wondering where you stand
with everyone, and you're not really staying in your own lane.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
It's a fit like paranoia es. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, Well, we actually had a running joke for about
the first year of G working at RNC because member
we used to see how paranoid.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You I was.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Also was in my human design, Remember, it was like
one of my tendencies was like paranoia.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Paranoia.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But I feel like you've come so far, except if
you're at a cafe and you haven't ordered a coffee yet,
we think the cafe I hate you.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
They like, come on quick, We've got to go there.
We'll go to a cafe and Jamie and I will
sit there and she'll wait like thirty minutes before ordering anything.
And we're sitting at like this the best table in
the house, taking up space with laptops and charges, and
we haven't ordered anything, and they're like, I'm you know,
I will maybe come back for a round two. But
should we get into our tit?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Let's get into it.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
So tip number one, and this is something that I
feel like I'm well versed in. Overthinking comes from a
lack of self trust. That's basically what it is. You
don't trust yourself to make decisions, and so you're waiting
for the perfect plan you're waiting for external validation, and
that's what causes the freak outs and considering every possible
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avenue because you don't have the blacks trust in yourself.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
To make that decision.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And I feel like the more you rely on others
and that external validation, the further away you get from
your intuition. Because once you get in a cycle of
just being like, oh, I'll just ask my friends or
I'll just chat GPT or whatever it is, you're less
likely to like tap in, lean into yourself, your soul
what you actually want, So you just get further and
further away, which means you trust yourself less and less,
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and then it just becomes this like toxic spiral.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I feel that also it's almost like a distraction because
if you're going around and asking everyone like what to
do or what should I wear, or like even what
to wear to like an event, and you're like polling everyone,
imagine if you just decided and then you could go
and do something else, and how much quicker you would
move through life, Like it almost just is a way
to kind of.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
And also polling everyone.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The outfit you choose is based off everyone else's opinion,
Like you're not actually doing what's true to you and
what you want to wear. You're like, well, Sally Smith
over here thinks I look hot and pink. If she
thinks I look great, let's go with that. But actually,
deep down you felt like you wanted to wear purple
and that's your favorite color. But you're just like living
your life then for this external validation of others.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, and you get so much further away from who
you are. And I think it's why so many people
are living so out of alignment, because they're just so
into what does this person think and what does this
person think? And what does this person think? What does
this person think? Rather than being like, okay, well what
do I actually want and what feels for me in
this moment? And how can I just make the decision
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and move forward? And I think that's why so many
people get stuck in this like I don't know what
to do. I don't know what the next step is
because they haven't actually built that foundation of self trust.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, and how to build that self trust you kind
of know if it's broken on it, I feel like
you have a feeling.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
If it's not there.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Self trust comes from small steps like keeping the promises
you make to yourself, even if it's something as small
as like, oh, I'm going to go for a walk
this afternoon, and then you don't. Every time you don't
stick to your word, you break that self trust a
little bit. So reverse that and flip it and make
sure that you're doing little steps and keeping your promise
on things. And then also think about, like, what's something
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that I can do that proves to myself I can
handle it or I can do it, like to give
you that feeling of like that you back yourself and
you trust yourself, even if it's something doesn't have to
be super uncomfortable, but even if it's like going to
a cafe by yourself or just ordering a coffee or
something a little bit different than might be slightly out
of the norm, doing something that feels a little bit
on edge like that, and then doing it you have
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that sense of like, oh I can do this, and
like the pride and like that you've conquered something yep.
That just lights that little bit of a fire in
you every single time to be like I've got myself,
I can handle this. Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Love that.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So to finish on this self trust point, your little
homework for this one is to think about where are
you outsourcing decisions to other people getting validation that you
could be making yourself. So for the next week, anything
that comes up, try and feel into yourself first, see
what you really want to do, make decisions from yourself,
your intuition, and your heart, and then also do little
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things that kind of stretches yourself and proves to you
that you've got that self trust and you can do it.
I think even like little things if you're say, out
for dinner or something and you go to ask the
table like what are you guys having? Don't do those things,
like just make sure you're making an internal decision before
you start engaging that conversation so you can really build
that muscle, because I think it's such a habit, like
you kind of be like, oh, what are you having?
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Or what what are you going to do? Or what
are you going to get?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Or and then it just it ruins that because then
you're all like cloudy and you're overthinking.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
And also how good do you feel, you know, and
you've made a decision like that, or you're just decided
and you're like, yep, this is what I'm doing. This
is what I'm having and this is what I'm doing
and you're just still really good and you're like, don't
need to question it or you know anything like that.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It does it makes you feel really good. You're like, oh,
I can do this.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I've got myself.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I've got myself.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I've got myself.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And we even said since moving to the Gold Coast,
how amazing it has been to build so much like
I've got myself, Like, no matter what happens, I've got me.
And how good that feeling is is backing yourself and
how it's just so important to have that or else
you're kind of like always making decisions based off for
what if I lose that or don't.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Have this, And that's where the overthinking comes. Yeah, right,
Like that's where then you have to have ten different
thoughts and spirals about all these things. Whereas if you've
got the confidence and the self trust, you make a decision,
you back yourself, you know you can do it, you
can handle it. It eliminates all of the energy wasted
on thinking all these thoughts. Yeah, love all right.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Next one, Okay, next tip and also probably my favorite
tip of the six that resonates with me the most
is stop caring what other people think? Yeah, I think
this is probably the biggest one that people get so
in their head about, like even leaving social events and
you're like.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Oh, should I have said that? Or should I do this?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Or starting ventures like starting businesses or starting to post online.
You're worried about what everyone else is going to think.
And I think it's so fair and valid because as
humans we need a tribe around us in order to survive.
That's very like instinctual. But it's such a powerful thing
to understand that other people's of opinions are actually none
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of your business.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I feel like we hear this a lot on social
media and online right, and it's so easily said, just
like stop caring what other people think, of course, but
how do you actually do that because no one really
talks about how to do that and commit to it
and actually feel it's just like a stop caring. Yeah,
it's nice to say that care, It's not easy. Well,
I think a few things because I've been on a
big journey with this. I think I really had to
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work with my coach on this. At the end of
last year, in the lead up to launching my business
because I knew that there was going to be opinions.
I was going to be putting myself out there, and
you know what there was There was people that had
opinions on it. And that's actually fine because I really
had to teach myself that what people think of you
is just a projection of what's going on in their
internal world. And every time I start to overthink, I
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stop myself and go what's going on for them for
them to have that opinion on me, because it's actually
nothing to do with me and everything to do with
them and what they're going through, and you know, they're
limiting beliefs. For example, if someone told me starting a
business and they hadn't started the business that they want to,
they'd be like, oh, who is she to start a business?
Like she doesn't know what she's doing or blah blah blah.
So then it comes back to what's going on for them.
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And the second one is just like expanding your nervous
system to be okay with that. So when I first
started posting, I would maybe overthink it and be like, oh,
like what are people thinking? What are people saying?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And you just keep doing it and your body eventually
lo that it is safe to do that, and you
expand your capacity.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And it becomes your normal.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And I think so many people wait for the feeling
of being like, Okay, I'm ready, I don't care what
people think, but they haven't taken any action. So you're
just expanding your capacity for that in order to be
like it's actually safe. And even when people I've heard
of people saying things about me or whatever, it is, okay,
I survived, Like it's fine, I'm okay if they have
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that opinion on me, and learning to be okay with
being misunderstood or that not everyone's going to support you
and not everyone's going to agree with you, because if
you have that mentality, you will never do anything because
there's always going to be people who are going to
say something yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
And also, like, if you think about it, everyone is
so busy in their own lives, in their own minds.
No one is sitting there spending their whole day thinking
about you, like think about yourself. No, are you thinking
about Tom Smith's posts from last week? Absolutely not, Like
you're so busy in your own mind that if someone
has a thought or you know, projected feeling towards you,
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it might sit there for all of five seconds fleeting,
and they'd be like, oh, Jamie did that, and then
see later they never think about it ever again because
everyone is in their own mind and they're too busy.
So in a nice way, you're not that important. Like
no one's spending all of their day and all of
their energy thinking about you. If they are, someone's been
wrong there, and I wouldn't really care about what that person.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And it's people who are struggling with their own like
internal world and what's going on for them. Because also
I think that no one that's done the thing or
is ahead of me, or is feeling really secure and
where they are is actually taking any notice of what
I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
They're so like happy and.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
In their own world and feeling so good about themselves.
It's like coming from a lack or insecurity. Insecurity inquity
coming from a lack or an insecurity. So I think
just reminding yourself of that when you get in that
mindset and when you start the overthinking, go Okay, well,
what's going on for them?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Why do they have that opinion or what?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
But you might not even know.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Man, you probably don't know because it's probably some child
with trauma from when they were seven years old that
you're not going to know it's like deep down in Yeah.
So also don't get too caught up and being like
like thinking about them, just like it's not my problem.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
No, And most of the time you won't actually know
what other people's opinions of you are unless it's some
random seven to sixty five on the internet.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah, but also who cares?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Who cares?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And also think about imagine getting to the end of
your life not doing what you wanted, not starting the business,
not putting yourself out there because of what other people
might have thought of you once in twenty twenty five, Like,
you can't live your life that way, otherwise you will
get to the end and have never done anything that
you wanted.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, honestly, I just I feel like it's just about
strengthening that muscle and just being okay with being misunderstood.
And also another point, my last point for this is
I think something that I really started to notice because
I promised myself about two months ago I was going
to start putting myself out there more and showing more
(12:53):
conviction online and being more authentically me because I knew
that there was so much power and magic in that,
and the people that have been coming into my world
because of that, and the feedback and engagement and the
messages have been way more than when I wasn't showing
up in that way. And I think the more you
you can be, the more closer you get to your people.
But it also comes with the other flip side of
(13:14):
that is the further a way you get from the
people who aren't meant to be in your world. So
I think it's just understanding the duality of that and.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Being okay with that balance because it's an energy you
give off like you can feel it, like if you
were a little bit cheapish and awkward and won't giving
your full self, people can feel that, whereas if you're
your true self, it's magnetic. The right people are drawn
to you. But what is the homework for this? Is
it like a bit of an exposure therapy. What's the homework?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I'm going to give you a prompt for this, And
also I think exposure therapy. So if there is something
that you have been holding yourself back from, like posting online,
starting a business, starting a conversation, reaching out to someone
that you've been holding back in fear of someone's opinion,
Go and do it and show yourself that it is
safe to do it, because I promise you, the more
(14:00):
that you expose yourself to that, the more comfortable and
normal it becomes, and you'll just get out of this
overthinking cycle. And the second thing is to go in
journal or think about if no one else could have
an opinion, what would you.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Be doing differently. That's good and it can be baby steps,
Like it doesn't have to be like starting the Instagram
today and like those a video of you talking. It
can be really small. It can just be like you're
looking into it, or like sitting and visualizing the feeling
of what it would be like to be seen online,
or you know, even whatever. It is really small steps.
(14:35):
It can be baby steps. It doesn't have to be
the whole damn thing with the kitchen sink. So the
next tip is to do with getting out of victim
mode and taking responsibility. Now, this is a bit of
a touchy one because it can be really hard. Number one,
(14:56):
we can't always see when we're in victim mode. And
number two, who our ego is going to try and
keep us safe and protect us in that? So overthinking
is the mind's way of protecting us. It's keeping us
safe and distant from rejection, fear, responsibility. So to kind
of go into that and do the opposite it can
feel a little bit scary and uneasy. So shift from
(15:19):
like why is this happening to me? To what can
I do right now? Because often when we're overthinking and
sitting in victim mode, we think are being productive because
we're distancing ourselves. We're like, no, we're just waiting or
like we're seeing or whatever it is. But it's actually
a false sense of control because it's not You're doing
it to prevent yourself from doing something because you're scared
(15:39):
or you're stuck. But then you end up just like
staying in limbo. So it's not productive. So take, like,
you know, sit down, have a look at your life,
have a look at some patterns that are coming up,
or where you feel a bit like, oh, this is
happening to me, I'm stuck, this isn't going the way
I want, And just try and zoom out and have
a bit of a bird's eye perspective and look at
it and be like, where can I take some responsibility?
(16:02):
What action could I be taking instead of waiting or
blaming other things. Because if you're sitting there being like, oh,
but there's this, and like I can't actually do this
because there's this, you're scared, which is totally fine, like that,
we're all scared. That's normal, But let's unpack why are
you scared? What are you protecting yourself from? What's stopping you?
Because on the other side of that fear and the
(16:25):
false sense of control is probably everything that you want
and you're waiting for.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, I think overthinking is just a version of self sabotage.
It's just your ego's way of protecting you so you
don't actually have to step into the thing and you
don't have to go into a new level and feel growth.
It's either overthinking or it's getting distracted, or it's procrastinating,
like you're all everyone has a crutch, Everyone has a
thing that they do when their ego is trying to
(16:50):
protect them from moving. So I think it's just recognizing
that and being like, Okay, am I is this actually
a problem? Or am I making a problem out of
nothing so that I don't have to move?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, which can be confusing because it's you know, quote
unquote the bad things that's actually your ego protecting you.
It's trying to do a good job because it's like, oh,
rejection is scary. Let's not be rejected. Let's just keep
ourselves in this safe, little comfort zone where we're safe
and warm. Let's not go and do the scary thing,
which you know, thank you ego for protecting me, because
(17:19):
that's so nice. That's a safety strategy, which we love,
but we don't need that anymore. We're ready to move
into this next level. So you can thank it and
acknowledge it, but then kind of open yourself up to
be like, ooh, already, where do I want to move here?
Where am I staying stuck? What are the patterns that
are keeping me here? And how can I move beyond that.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I normalize having the thoughts but doing the thing anyway,
because I think you're not really going to get to
a point of your life where you're not thinking of
the what ifs or the worry. That is a very
natural thing, But it's about having those thoughts and just
doing the thing anyway.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, And like I really feel like taking responsibility, like
radical responsibility, is so freeing. Like imagine if you're in
like a little jail cell and you're like, I didn't
do the thing, like I'm stuck here. Why am I
stuck here? And you're like banging on the cages being
like let me out, guards, like I didn't do the thing.
Verse Like if you sit there and you're like, yeah,
(18:13):
I did that, I I whatever, it is, like, this
is my fault. I could have done this, this, and
this differently. I own my shit, Like yeah, and I'm
going to do this differently next time. You're going to
go so much further and learn from everything in the
long run. Then if you just stay there and be like, no,
that wasn't me. I had nothing to do with that.
It was everyone else's fault.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I remember Sitto saying that to me once. She's like,
if there's anything you're ever like feeling you're worried, people
will call you out on just call yourself out first,
and then they've got no.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Power of you.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, it takes it away.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, it's like, well, you're only going to have those
feelings if you allow those feelings to be real. But
if you're if you just own it and you just
take responsibility and say the thing, well no one can
say anything about it because you've already said it yourself.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Yeah, shadow works really powerful. Also great book to read
with this is Existential. I can't remember who it's by,
but it's one of my favorite books of all the time.
It's one of the books that's like really changed the
game for me. It's all about like viewing your shadows
and incorporating them and like quote unquote getting a kink
out of them, kind of being like, oh, yeah, like
I do do that, yeah, and like making it a
(19:15):
whole part of you, as opposed to distancing and being
like that's a bad side of me.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I have to shun that side.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
It's like integrating it and shining a light on it,
and then you can move forward, which is really cool.
Definitely check that book out. But your homework for this
point is just to kind of sit down and have
a look at your patterns where you're feeling a bit
stuck and just be like, where can I take responsibility here?
Where am I saying stuck and maybe blaming some other
things in areas that I could be taking actually and
moving forward?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Love.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Tip number four is let go off the control of
the outcome. This is huge because I think this is
such a big reason why people get stuck in overthinking
and perfectionism is because they're so stuck on the outcome
of the situation. And I think one of the biggest
things to strengthen and learn is surrender and a most
trusting that however it unfolds, and whatever unfolds is perfect
(20:04):
for your evolution and is exactly either the lessons or
the direction that you needed to go, because I think
you can never control an outcome, You can never know
what is exactly going to happen. And if you get
stuck in the mode of I need to know how
it's going to go and I need to know what's
going to happen, it's going to be paralyzing and you're
going to stay stuck in that forever. And I think
(20:26):
one of the most freeing things or sentences that I
say when I get stuck in these modes of getting
stuck in the outcome is Jamie, it's going to work
out exactly as it's meant to.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
And that's a part of your evolution that you can't see.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And I know that George always talks about that example
of Ivy with the lollies and not knowing that if
she has that before bed she's not gonna be able
to sleep, she's gonna be all like but she knows.
And Georgie in this scenario is the universe and we
are ivy.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
We are so you don't know what's.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
The best thing for you and just trusting that whatever
happens and however it goes is perfect.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And this is something I really struggle with too, because
I'm quite the perfectionist.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I like control.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And I read this saying the other day that was like,
if you're waiting for all of these certain areas of
your life to line up and be these certain outcomes
in order for you to be peaceful, that's not peace.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
It's control.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Peace is being calm amongst all the chaos and all
the things happening. And I feel like that's so true,
because if you're overthinking and being like, well, this has
to be like this, and this has to be like this,
that's not genuinely calm and flow and peace.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
It's control.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, I know, And I think it's just that vibration
and energetic shift of okay, but it's actually just almost
being a little bit delusional that it is actually working
out perfectly. Even every time I feel that like tenseness
or I need a rash or need to do this
or need to do that. I'm like it's working up perfectly,
and just the calmness that comes over you, and that's
(21:56):
the goal.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I think it's so hard and there's such a resistance
to do that because you know, our whole life, we've
been built to be in control for our safety and
expect outcomes.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So we're ready and we're prepared.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And like, if you control things, then you know, like
you can see all the things in the dark and
you feel safe. But if you release that and let go,
like you if you can't see things, it could be
something you're not expecting it. It could be scary. That's why
it feels so resistant because as humans, I feel like
we're kind of wide and designed that way. But being
in that kind of like I want to say, chill.
(22:30):
Being in that chill mode where you're just surrendered and
you trust life is just so much more enjoyable and
peaceful and you can be surprised and delighted in lots
of different ways and just know that you can handle
whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And I think also the biggest thing for me is
imagine the life that you're blocking being stuck on one
outcome because you are only where you are right now,
and if you think about it, you have so many
evolutions to come. But your brain is thinking in that
you are right now. So if you're controlled on the outcome,
it's probably.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
One step ahead.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
But imagine if you could be one hundred steps ahead
if you just surrendered and let go of the outcome,
because there's so much more possible than you can even
fathom right now.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Your brain can't actually conceptualize. There's six levels ahead of
you because think about you six years ago when you
were living in Melbourne working in your corporate job or
whatever it was, and you were like hating life. You
couldn't have even fathomed being sitting here on the Gold
Coast in this job doing what you do, just.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Like right now.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Your mind actually can't imagine or conceptualize all of the
steps ahead for good reason, because it's you're supposed to
be kind of guided in, surprised and delighted along the way.
So it's like just let go and trust, which that
can be hard because you've got to believe that you're
worthy of all of these good things coming. But just
go for a little bit and see what happens. Like,
maybe that's why I work with this.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I know, because even if I had a thought back then,
my dream life could have been just working from home
in that job rather than having to go in the
office every day. But now, if I look at my
life now, it's I would have never thought that was possible.
And if I didn't let go of the outcome, and
I was so stuck on that outcome.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Maybe you would have pushed and fought really hard to
with your current job to like, please, can I have
a work from home down whatever? And then you stayed
in that and didn't get here because you tried to
control the outcome. Yeah, whoa, So what's the time work?
So the work is nothing? Just Jill, stop asking for
an outcome. Yeah okay.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So the prompt for this is can I be okay
not knowing how and just trust that it's working out
for me and just start leaning into the energy of
even I love I love playing around me. That the
idea of this sentence. When I'm feeling a bit constricted
or like wanting to rush or being really in my
logical brain, what like, imagine if it just worked out
(24:49):
perfectly right now and then just like that shift of
energy has done so much for me, and just allowing
myself to step into that energy rather than being so
focused on the outcome in that moment, love that love.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Next tip, arguably one of the most important ones, oh,
is get out of your head and into your body.
About your thinking, Georgina, what I'm in my body? I
live in my body. I know you do, but this
is like where your presence is, where your thinking is
a lot of us are in our stuck in our heads,
which means that we're in you know, anxiety, overwhelm, overthinking,
(25:27):
we're future tripping. But you can't think your way out
of anxiety, or you can't think your way out of
a problem. Like in your mind is where all of
your limiting beliefs are, the fears, all of those things
that kind of like get in and freak you out.
Whereas if you just drop into your body and have
like your innate wisdom and power, that's where all the
(25:48):
truth is. And the way that you drop into your
body and get out of your head is by meditating, journaling,
being our nature, grounding yourself. Like do you ever notice
if you're feeling a bit panicked, if you just go outside,
look into the sun, like, take some deep breaths. You
automatically just feel a bit less frantic. That's because you're
in your head versus your body. And then you know,
(26:10):
if you go and get a massage or you spend
the day on a nature walk, you finish.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And you're like, oh, it's actually like not so bad.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I'm feeling okay because you're connected and you're in your body.
That is why, obviously we have our app Rise, which
has got all different meditations and audio frequencies designed to
help you do just that. So often, if I'm like
I can feel myself being really in my mind and
overthinking things, I'll just go for a little walk and
play one of those meditations, might put my hand on
(26:39):
my heart and just breathe and I'm like, oh, it's okay,
I'm gonna be okay. I'm gonna be okay, and just
pulls you back into the present.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Well, we actually have one of my favorite regulation practices
to bring me back to the present. We recorded a
meditation the other day.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
It should be life.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
By the time this episode comes out, but depending on
the timing of all of that, it's coming. And it's
called like the Five Census meditation, and it's basically just
what can you hear, what can you see?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
What can you taste, what can you smell? What can
you touch?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And it just allows you to you're not stuck in
overthinking as you're thinking about what can I experience right
now in the present moment.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
And that's been one of my favorite practices.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
So I thought, let's bring it into the Rise app
and make it a meditation where you can just really
drop in. And it's only five minutes, so you can
do it at any point in the day. If you're
feeling frantic at work, if you're feeling rushed in the morning,
if you're whatever it is, kids are having a moment's crazy,
drop in, do the five minutes, and come back to
(27:41):
the present, and then you can move forward in such
a clear way.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
So there's this quote or saying that I wanted to
pass on because I like this has been really helpful
for me. Whenever you're having a bit of a moment,
a bit of a you know, spiral, say to yourself
when I start to spiral, I remind myself, I am
not my thoughts, I'm just my body having an experience.
So I move breathe or ground until I feel present again,
(28:08):
and just kind of having that thought in the back
of your mind as a reminder to be Like, every
time I'm in my head i'm feeling frantic and frustrated
or overwhelmed, I come back to myself. I, you know,
get in touch with my senses nature. I breathe and
I just feel good again. I feel calm and grounded,
and then you can be a bit more in touch
with your intuition, make the right decisions, not be caught
(28:30):
up in the little unimportant details. Being in your body
is so important. I love that.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
My dad used to always teach me that growing up
for contact. My dad's bit of a life coach onto
logical coach so very a wisdom as man, and he
used to always teach me that my emotions are not me,
They're just explaining what I'm experiencing in the moment. And
if you can detach from that, it's the same with.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Your thoughts and come back to yourself.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Okay, I'm thinking this, what's going on for me in
this moment, and what is that feedback loop that I'm
currently experiencing.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Game change, because then you're not just.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Living off reactivity or being intentional with what's actually going
on and what that emotional thought is telling you.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, and especially when we live such busy lives, like
we're always rushing around in the car doing things, ticking
off our to do list. Just taking five minutes a
day to be with yourself, be present, connect back with
your body. It can change the energy of the whole
day and the whole week and the decisions that you make.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Per So that's an important one.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
So it's that the homework for the week coming back
to the quote, the homework come back to the quote,
and just kind of you know, whether you set a
little moment in your calendar or a reminder or something,
just take five minutes a day to reconnect, even if
it's just going for a walk with no music or
no audio and just kind of like looking around, you know, breathing,
taking some time in silence. That can be really powerful
(29:49):
to to to You'll notice how much more grounded and
present you feel, and it will really help with the overthinking.
Love it, Love it next Tipperuni.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay number six and I kind of touched on this earlier,
but take imperfect action, Stop waiting for the right moment,
to not have any fear to have all of the
knowledge and everything and just take action. I feel like
if you can become someone who focuses on the step
ahead rather than the ten steps ahead, because the ten
(30:21):
steps ahead is where you get in overthinking because you
haven't even taken one step, so then you're thinking, well,
how does this look? And then that and then the
next thing. And then if you can just focus on
the one step ahead of you and take that and
then okay, I've made that step, what can I do next,
and just slowly start to become someone who just moves
rather than thinks about the whole plan and the whole everything.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
What do I call it? It's like paralysis something paralysis.
There's a term for.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It, decision decision paralysis. That's when there's so many different
decisions and you don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Maybe.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I'm just like, if you have so many things, you
don't know what's the priority, and then you just don't
do anything.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And if you get caught in
like thinking about the whole plan. I think that's something
that I really focus on when I'm trying to get
a big project done or anything like that. If you
try and think of the project as a whole, you
end up just procrastinating because it feels so overwhelming. But
if you think of, Okay, today, I'm going to get
this done. And this is why every day, for either
(31:17):
RNC or my business, I've got three to five master
tasks or main task that I need to get done
for the day.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Because if you've got a list.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Of one hundred things every single day, you're going to
constantly spend probably fifty percent of your time just figuring
out what you're going to do. So if you lay
it out to just have three to five things every
single day that you can tick off and get done
and focus on.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
And tell us what that builds self trust.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It builds self trust, and it all comes together out.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Then you do a meditation when you're done, then you
feel good in your body.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Overthinking who honestly, what's that song?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I was just thinking?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
But baby steps that that's like a moto right now.
I don't know it, but I don't know it with
you anyway, really relevant, But that's the motto right now?
Play that every day, like just little steps, little things
every day.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, Because I think overthinking comes when you overwhelm yourself
as well with so many different things that you need
to do or one hundred steps ahead, and I think
even thinking, Okay, what's my five year plan? I want
to be here, and then all that you're not going
to make a decision because you're so caught up trying
to figure out what the hell to do. Just like
to just take action and also just be present and
(32:28):
be like, you know, what, what do I feel like
right now?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
What's enjoyable? What can and can't I control?
Speaker 4 (32:33):
If I can't control those things, worry about it, Like
I honestly think, yeah, all these tips have been really helpful.
You and I both know that we've used them. But
once you kind of like give it a go and
commit and feel the difference, you will understand how much
overthinking holds you back and stops you from doing things,
and just like releasing that just feels so good.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I know. And if I had had these tips six, seven,
eight years ago, my god, I would have done exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
But we're doing it now. So that's that's that all
that counts because birthday bitsteps.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in. As always,
if you love this episode, please leave us a review
jump in the DM so we love hearing your feedback
and we'll be back in your ears soon.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
We'll catch you in the next one.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Bye bye,
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