December 11, 2024 • 34 mins
On the show today we’re about to introduce you to your new favourite song (and your new favourite artist) because there’s a performance we need you to be across.
And earlier this week Jay-Z was accused in a lawsuit of raping a 13-year-old girl in 2000 along with Sean "Diddy" Combs. At the time he posted a lengthy denial of the accusation but now the story around him, and the infamous lawyer at the heart of the case, has escalated.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura
Brodneck and I'm Ambanum and we're both looking very out
of sorts today because it's our work Christmas party. No
(00:35):
I said, hey, I said, you looked beautiful when you
walked in.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Just normal for the people.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh sorry, it's a podcast, they can't see you. We'll
have to post a photo later because it's our work
Christmas party day, which feels very wholesome and cute. See,
we're both dressed to how we wouldn't normally.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Fill team, including our producer Cam. We're all wearing blue.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Why are we in florals? We never wear floral?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Blue?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Floral? Why we were both in blue florals? We have
curled hair. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It's quite different for us, but I'm enjoying this.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
If you see us on the street, just don't talk
to us today because we're we're having a moment. When
we're back in our neutrals and blacks and normal look
tomorrow chat to us. Okay, okay, Well, coming up on
the show today, there is something quite intense we have
to get into, and that is the new allegations against
Jay Z. Obviously we touched on these the other day
when they were first reported, but more information has come out.
(01:21):
He has also made public appearances since then, and things
for him and his famous family have gone even more
into termal. So we're going to talk about that, but first,
can you tell me something nice before we talk about
this awful subject?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yes, because I just need to talk about my current
obsession right now. It is an artist musician Floral's Blue Florals.
It is an artist and musician by the name of Doci.
Does that sound familiar to you? No?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I my god, wish I was cool enough to know this,
But you're gonna tell me, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So she has recently become like massive in the form
like she's released her debut full length debut named Alligator
Byites Never Heal, and she's seen Oh what is factual?
It's factual, so she knows what's going on. She kind
of calls herself the swamp Princess. She's really cool. But Dotie,
she has seen a one hundred and forty eight percent
(02:12):
increase in global streams since it's massive. She's collab with
Katy Perry on a new album where Tyler the Creator recently,
and she's also nominated for three Grammy nominations this year,
including Best New Artists and Best Rap Album, which is
also the first female artist that has been honored in
the category with a mixtape format. So she's quite interesting.
Her music is like, I feel like one that you
(02:35):
don't really have to get used to, but you're kind
of mesmerized by because it's so different to what we're
usually seeing. The best I can explain, it is kind
of a fusion of hip hop, rap, jazz, and R
and B. And I first saw her when she did
her Tiny Desk performance, So if you follow Tiny Desk
on YouTube or TikTok, it's basically just like I don't
(02:55):
know how explain, It's like it looks like a classroom
with a desk, and these like massive performers just come
and play with like a small band, just having like
a little sit down with like people, and they just
perform kind of like a shortened version of a massive performance.
It's usually round ten to twenty minute, and she did
hers it got over one million views and everyone is
saying that this is the best, tiny, best performance they've
(03:18):
ever seen. She then also performed on Stephen Kobert's show
Chuto Games All Year built Chip on My Shoulder that
heard over three million streams on Instagram, one of his
(03:39):
biggest videos that he's put on his Instagram, So bigger
than any a lister interview, bigger than any a lister
musician like performance, I need everyone to watch this performance immediately.
So it was a combo of two of the songs
called Boiled Peanuts and Denial as a River, which is
a song that I've been listening probably about ten times.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Me.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I don't know how to explain it. She's self choographed itch.
It was just her and two backup dances, and she
had these long, beautiful braids that were also connected to
each one of her backup dancers, and they had like
this beautiful performance and it was so mesmerizing and it
was like a slow rap and I couldn't believe it,
like her whole backup crew and her dances and her
(04:21):
backup vocalists and her band, that all these like amazing
black women. And she even said on Instagram, this is
my first self chograph performance, and one of the most
important things I wanted to highlight was my connection to
black women through hip hop. Like it's a type of
performance that I physically can't explain unless you've actually watched it,
because it just looked like art. Like it looked like
(04:41):
I was in an art gallery just watching an art
like yea, it was unreal to the point where like
in the crowd, you know when you can kind of
hear the crowd, and those late night shows like kind
of enjoying it. They were just like drop dead silence,
like they were so into it, and then like the
applause after was unreal. Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I love this also because first of when you're sing
you're playing that song over and over again. I love
that there is nothing like that feeling when you become
obsessed with a new song, and I feel like that's
sometimes hard to to do in the way that we
have music now, because even people were saying from their
Spotify raps and things this year, like it's the same
few artists between us, like over and over again, Like
our lists aren't changing from year to year, and back
(05:22):
in the day they would be quite different because we'd
be getting hit with so much new music all the
time because it was whatever you heard on the radio,
which is a whole of the issue because that was
gay keepery as well. But nowadays it can be really
hard for big artists to cut through unless they go
viral on TikTok for a sound, but that means they're
making songs to go on TikTok or if they like
somehow team up with on the singer they have a
viral moment. Like it's very hard now and a lot
(05:43):
of musicians say this, it's very hard for them to
just cut through with good music, yeah, and just.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
To be and I think they have to rely on
other musicians, right.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I think a big part of why she's just like
skyrocketed now in particular, was because Kendrick Lamar went on
record and said, like she's the best in the game
right now. Oh, I love that, and everyone's like what
And then it's only like you said, it's so competitive.
It's only when you go back and listen to their
discography that I've now seen videos of her playing to
like thousands of people, like crowds of people who know
(06:11):
like the lyrics to a song. Yeah, and you think
it's someone that you've just discovered who's just like come
across your fee. Yeah yeah, and I'm like, no, she's
been like similar to when we talk aboutchapelorone, Like she's
been doing it for so so long. So it's just
so nice to see like everyone get on board.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, oh I love that. Okay, I'm gonna add her
to everyone.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I reckon we should post it on the Spill Instagram. Okay, well,
we're going to post her performance. I'm just taking reins now.
We're gonna post her performance from the Stephen Covesho on
our instagram at the Spill podcast. Keep an eye for
that because I'll be watching it on repeat.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So just this week, formal allegations were made against jay
Z in regards to the rape of a minor, which
is all intertwined with the numerous ongoing, very disturbing allegations
against Sean Comb's No One as Diddy. And it's interesting
when this information came out because when we first saw
this lawsuit and we saw the information in it, we
(07:02):
were quite shocked. Obviously it's very disturbing, but a lot
of people I saw like the conversation saying like, oh,
I thought he'd already been charged didn't we know this,
And there's a big diference between people have been assuming
that jay Z and to some extent, his wife Beyonce
have been wrapped up in these Seawan Colme's allegations. But
this is the first time any kind of formal charges
or accusations have been put out there.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's quite dangerous as well, because I can imagine like,
unless you're doing our job or you're in the industry,
a lot of people I think would just read a headline,
think they understand the story, like read a redded post,
read something on Twitter, and then just make assumptions yeah,
just because of that illusion, yeah, or even just on TikTok,
which is where most people get their information nowadays, which
is just you know, it's just neither good nor bad.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It just is a fact. And so many people were
seeing videos that were just you know, a picture of
jay Z, and this is before these allegations came out,
saying like, oh, he's been charged, or just saying like
this is the moment on the red carpet where you
can see his face change, this is the moment he
and Beyonce realized they've been caught, And just absolutely none
of that is true, like this is the first documentation
we've seen.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, and I think it's important too, Like we did
it when we were first initially covering Sean Comb's and
everything involved in that, but to kind of like spread
it out from beginning, middle, and end, just because there
are just so much information coming out now that only
once you read it in the context of everything else
(08:25):
does it really make sense.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So we briefly talked about jay Z when it first
was announced, I think it was two days ago, but
as a little recap, I think it's important to like
go through everything that's happened. So I think Beyonce and
jay Z's name was first publicly involved when Jaguar Wright,
a backing vocalist and songwriter for jay Z and Beyonce,
(08:48):
went on the Piers Morgan show called Piers Morgan Uncensored,
and she accused jay Z and Beyonce keeping people there
against their will and using tactics to manipulate others. These
allegations were aired without evidence, and it also led to
a backlash and legal action from Beyonce and jay Z's representatives,
(09:09):
so Piers Morgan then had to issue a public apology
to beyond saying jay Z, which is what I think
was picked up more than the actual legal matter of it.
That's how we kind of got introduced to it. So
he had to shoe an apology publicly, and he admitted
that the allegations were baseless and confirmed that his show
had complied with the legal request to remove the remarks
from the interview. So, after all of that happened, when
(09:32):
jay Z's name was kind of mentioned alongside Sean Combs,
his lawyers said that he had received a letter from
the plaintiff's lawyer threatening to immediately file a public lawsuit
against him unless he agreed to resolve those issues through
a mediation kind of format. But instead, jay Z's lawyers
sued the lawyer, Tony Busby, And that's when jay Z
(09:55):
put out that statement that we talked about earlier this week, and.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
The statement which we read out and full in a
previous podcast we were talking about this not only denies
the allegations, but why it's so interesting is that, unlike
other celebrity statements around really big matters like this, came
across as so devoid of like legal representation or like
a PR plan. It really just felt like, you know,
usually those kind of things are so craft and then
(10:20):
you give a lot away a lot of information because
they're worried about it being used in any kind of
context or making headlines. But this one just really felt
like jay Z sat down and just like put his
thoughts and just hit send really before he'd read it
back over.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It was a very it felt like a very angry,
emotionally driven statement, which I don't know as a father,
it kind of made sense, like as this big family
man that he is, it kind of made sense like
the rage behind it. But I also wanted to focus
on a particular part of the statement because it's really
interesting where he says this lawyer talking about Tony Busbey.
(10:55):
This lawyer who I have done a bit of research on,
seems to have a pattern of these type of theatrics.
I have no idea how you have come to be
such a deplorable human, mister Busby, but I promise you
I have seen your kind many times over. I'm more
than prepared to deal with your type. You claim to
be a marine, question mark. Marines are known for their valor.
You have neither honor nor dignity. So this part I
(11:17):
found very interesting because a lot of places have done
research into Tony Buzzby, and it's interesting the fact, like
just the fact that we know Tony Busby's name is
wild to me because whenever we talk about these massive
celebrity stories, there's always a lawyer involved, and that's kind
of their place and the whole story. They're just the lawyer,
(11:38):
where Tony Busby seems to be a public figure in himself,
like he's developed a personality himself alongside the celebrities that
are involved.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, it's almost reminiscent of the lawyers who were in
Johnny jbp's trial. Remember how Johnny jbp's lawyers became for
a while there like their own public faces, and they
had fan pages for them, and people were like deep
diving into their background, and they were getting paparazzi and
photographs and everything as they were going to and from,
and people were inventing love stories. It was a whole thing.
Like this is why people love the narrative of these
(12:07):
sort of public spectacles. Like if they weren't all of
these like key players with their own storylines and plots
and things, I don't think people would be as invested
on the Tony Buzzby thing. Like I've got to say.
When he first came out with that first lot of
lawsuits against Sean Combs, and he was doing those press conferences,
a lot of people were applauding him and sort of
(12:28):
saying that he was like a good person.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
He's saying, like, I have around one hundred and twenty people.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, and I did too. Like the thing is just
because he's done, he's done a few good things and
like he probably will do more, doesn't mean he's a
good person overall. Like the thing is in this industry,
in this game, and these people like I don't think
there's anyone who's like truly good or anything like that.
But I think at the time the statements he was
giving in terms of saying like we have gone through
all this information, We're gonna get these people justice. We
(12:52):
have done this. I've set up teams for this. I
set up teams for this.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Call me for this.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
These people have said this. I'm not going to speak
on this. It's like when someone comes into the room
and takes charge and you know it's a mess, and
like everyone, all of a sudden, that person looks amazing
to you because you're like this has been bubbling around
for so long and these stories have been there, and
it's like someone's coming in and as a plan. Yeah,
a person with a plan is very attractive.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, And then you're trying to think like they're fine,
they're in a safe zone, like they're fine. But then
you kind of research on that person and you're like, oh,
you're kinds.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Once you look into anyone, you're like, god, damn it,
this person is awful. Of course they are. And I
went deep, Okay, tell me so.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I went on his actual lawyer website and he has
a heap of testimonials on there, like from massive publication,
New York Times, everything, But some of the testimonials are
quite intense, like some of them call him mean, psychoaggressive,
obsessed with winning meanest dog in the yard, Like quite intense.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It is tough. Most lawyers at that at that level,
I think that you think they would be mean and aggressive.
Isn't that there type of level?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Maybe. I was also looking at his Instagram and he's
quite a big poster in the sense that he's a
grid post. He loves a grid post of him in
his private jet. He loves a grid post of him
and the tank that he that his neighbors are pretty
angry about.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Because house everyone's a good person until they have a
private jet. Then you're automatically off the good person lists gone,
You're gone.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
He was also one of the lawyers who filed a
suit against Travis Scott. Do you remember that Astro world
tragedy where ten people died and he was one of
the lawyers who was representing a person there and their family,
And then he posted on Facebook, like his Facebook when
the claims against Travis Scott was settled, there were like
so many lawyers there. There were around ten people who
(14:40):
had tragically passed away, but he was like one of
the lawyers that actually had his name on everything. Yeah,
and like we're posting about it, and even though his
posts said that all the stuff was confidential, it was
quite a it just feels a bit weird, Like you're
posting on his Facebook page a person who's like your
client's son essentially, and it's just like a photo of
(15:01):
his face, and.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Like, yeah, that's very odd. And yeah, that's what people
have been saying is that yes, he's probably you know,
he's a practicing lawyer and he wants to win, and
he's you know, it seems that he's doing some of
this to help people who wouldn't normally be able to
stand up against someone like Sean Combs and the allegations
against him. But on the other side of it, he's
obviously not doing it just from the goodness of his
heart and part of it, but it's not even just
money and prestigious like part of it. Seems like he
(15:25):
does want to be famed. He wants the cloud, he
wants Yeah, he wants his face up there. Whereas a
lot of lawyers in these cases, when they're in these
big profile cases, they will mute their socials, they won't
say anything. You see them just running out of the
courtroom with their faces covered because they're trying not to
be the story. But it just seems like Tony wants
to be the story.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah. And he's also quite keen on politics.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Oh yes, because he wants to politics.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, so so bad president, I'm sure so. In two
thousand and two, he's Republican leaning, and in two thousand
and two he ran an unsuccessful campaign to become Texas
state representative. In twenty sixteen, he was actively supporting Donald
Trump during his presidential bid, and he was trying it a.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Red flag that's like a red.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Red stops. Yeah, let's start. He was trying to raise
funds for him, and then during his Trump's Inauguration Committee,
he donated five hundred thousand dollars. In twenty nineteen, he
tried again to become mayor of Houston, which was unsuccessful.
So he does want that kind of lifestyle, like he
does want to be a political figure. He wants to
be in charge. In twenty fourteen, he represented then Guv.
(16:34):
Rick Perry against an indictment accusing him of abuse of power.
And I think this is important because representing like these
really strong, powerful white men at the same time kind
of suing and publicly suing and publicly calling out these
like other really strong men who are all black. What
(16:56):
seems quite stark to me is after jay Z made
this statement, he also did a kind of respond statement
on Twitter. It's also quite big. But at the end
he says, as far as the allegations in the complaint filed,
we will let the filing speak for itself and will
litigate the facts in court, not in the media. And
I'm like, that seems kind of hypocritical because he's been
(17:20):
boasting about how many like allegations he has, how many
people are involved, Like everything he's like about this case
we've read from his statements on Twitter, on his social
media accounts. So when someone who has been accused, and
also they haven't released the information of the person who
is accusing jay Z, so he actually doesn't know who
(17:40):
that person is. When you're like publicly putting someone's name
under that scrutiny, but at the same time you're saying
they shouldn't be talking about it publicly, we should leave
before the court, Yet you are. It seems really weird
to me.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, it is a really difficult one. But I think
also like the other thing to remember, which is hard
and not trying to get like moralistic and on my
high horse here or anything like that. But at the
end of the day, like, yes, there's a lot of
this is like it's bad men who are being held
to account for things they allegedly did which will soon
come to light. I'm sure there's also a group of
really powerful rich people who are involved in that because
(18:14):
they're trying to get clout. But the center of that there.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
He's also one of the powerful riches.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
He's the one I'm referring to the powerful person trying
to get clout. But at the center of that, you
also have these hundreds of people and these alleged victims
to have these allegations and stuff, and it's like, I
think that's all we should be focusing on their stories.
But I don't think that because that's on exciting and
sexy like this other stuff is. And I don't say
sexy in like a yeah, I mean like people like that.
We're so enthralled by celebrity culture that even when the
(18:39):
celebrity culture is ugly and upsetting.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Now I feels like bub versus these like massive musicians.
We're looking forgetting about the victims.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, we're looking for this like good and bad, Like
who's the hero, who's the villain, who's going to work
it out? And there's all these people at the center
of it who have been like, Hey, I'm trying to
tell you about this horrific thing that happened to me
years ago and I finally have a way to speak
on it.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Can you please stop posting me on your Twitter? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Can we not make it about these two men having
a public fight over who's more powerful? But unfortunately that
is how this industry in the world works. But the
thing is, at the end of the day, at least
these people's stories are going to court, these allegations have
been made, Like, I think that's something important to hold onto. Yeah,
So in the midst of all these statements and accusations
and this kind of threw down fight between Sean Combs
(19:22):
and Tony Busby and now Jay Z and Tony Busby,
we also have Jay Z and Beyonce as these two
incredibly powerful people in Hollywood who up until now have
been able to both legally and publicly shut down any
accusation that they're involved in this in any way. And
they can't do that anymore because actual charges have been
filed and legal documents. And what is interesting about that
(19:44):
and what we're going to see unfold over the next
couple of months, is that as a family, they're often
very very private, Like we could go months and months
and months without seeing them because they you know, they
live very privately and their mansions behind closed doors, and
they you know, go on private cars.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
They even at the Grammy she was wearing like her
big cowboy hat like across her face so that no
one could see her.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
They get private entrances to events. We can go months
without seeing them. They're also not big posters on social
beyond the it's not gonna be hey, get ready with me,
so they can be this very elusive family. But they
can't do that for the next couple of months because
these accusations have coincided with a very public time in
their lives, starting off with the premiere of Mufasa. Did
you see all these photos and videos?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I did see that, and all I could think about
was their little girl, Blue Ivy, who looked absolutely stunning,
And it was like, I guess her first real kind
of performance, Like she gets to celebrate, like we've seen
her perform with Beyonce on stage for her tours, but
this was like she's in Mufassa, yeah, like playing Kiara
(20:45):
and she's just in this gown and she wanted to
pose with her parents and ah, she's twelve years old.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, Because the accusations had come out and jay Z
had put out his statement, but it was all really
bubbling away and people knew the Mufastera premiere was happening.
If you're not across it's Disney's new lin King prequel,
so it tells like the origin story of Mufasa, but
also some other we haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's live action, charging can be one the first one.
They're in this one again.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yes, and Blue Ivy voicing Kiaro, who is the daughter
of Simba. And so this is her first feature film role.
And there's been such a big build up of the
fact that her mother, you know, was involved in the
line King franchise, and the thing that this was, yes,
and then that she was the voice of that, and
the fact that she was going to be in this
film and she was going to be doing press and
red carpets for the first time. And in the lead
(21:30):
up to it, I think there was like a lot
of speculation online in particular around who would actually go
to the event. Would Blue Ivy just because she had
to go obviously it's her movie. Would she just walk
the carpet herself. Would Beyonce be there in the background
just with her, all that sort of stuff. And what
we saw was Blue Ivy on the red carpet in
her big flowing goal gown. She's twelve, she looks so
much older. Oh my god, And I guess me, Mum's Beyonce.
(21:53):
You just always look glam.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
We should post photos because like me and my year
twelve four twelve.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Oh my no, she's on her uteh form when she's twelve.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I know. Oh sorry, I meant like my year six
formal when I was twelve, year six formal.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
That's a story for a teacher. But not only was
she there, but Beyonce next to her, and jay Z
and Tina Knowles and the Tina Noles thing was interesting
because if anyone doesn't follow Tina Noles on Instagram, you're
missing out because as much as Beyonce is an such
a boomer, and as much as like Beyonce and Solange
her other daughter, so she can call with their social
(22:27):
usage and they barely use it, and when they do
it's so curated. Tina will just post like a blurry
photo and then Solange will be in the comments being like, mom,
I sent you the high res, or she'll be saying
like Beyonce's going to do this, and Beyonce's like, mom,
I hadn't announced that yet, like she's a wild cub.
But that all took a turn this week when she
liked a comment did you do that?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
She liked a comment jay Z and the allegations and
then that blew up into a news story, and then
she put up an instantile saying that her account had
been hacked and she didn't do it. And as we know,
anytime celebrities get called her for anything, they say they're hacked,
they have to. But the hacker only comes in, likes
one little comment and then leave that will show up
and then respectfully, respectfully gus the account back and doesn't
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go to the DMS to see all the other celebrities
who were messaging Tinaoles and anyway, that's the hacker that
I wanted. And then she put up a statement saying
family means everything to her, and it wasn't her, it
was the hacker. So Tena and Oles was also.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
There, yeah, looking like they made amends and.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
They were all hugging on. The hacker was not present.
The hacker wasn't at the Gray carpet as far as
we know.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Even just seeing Beyonce and jay Z together on a
red carpet is so rare. So the fact that they
came for this massive family kind of reunion publicly was
so different. And I feel like if these allegations weren't
in place like this would still have headlines of them
just being together. But it also reminded me that in
his statement that he made after he was named as
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the alleged abuser, he did say, my only heartbreak is
for my family. My wife and I will have to
sit our children down, one of whom is at the
age where her friends will surely see the press and
ask questions about the nature of these claims. And I think, yeah,
just seeing them together after like all of this, and
even like it's it's so rare that they put out
public statement, but after like the rage and the emotion
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behind that statement just seemed like a really weird thing
to do.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yes, but I think they would have wanted to go
to this red carpet event even more so than before
because they've been so staunched in their denial that they're
involved in this for ages, and then he put out
that very emotional statement. There's this thrial anger of saying
like and involving his kids' names in the statement and everything.
There's this real sense that from jay Z, at least,
whether his team's telling him this or not, that they
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really want to be like, we're completely innocent, where a
happy family, We're a successful, perfect family, and kind of
look at us, and even the way they were standing
on the red carpet. I mean, maybe she's reading too
much into it, but there's been a lot of chat
that like Beyonce rarely smiles. She usually does the whole
kind of like the smolder. That's her signature look, and
she's really smiling into the camera. But also it's her
daughter's premiere, so I don't know if we should read
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too much of that. And then they're all hugging, like
Tina's hugging jay Z, They're all hugging Blue Ivy, they're laughing,
they're smiling. It's just it's very kind of a staunch,
like we're a happy family, and people were pointing out
like that, it did feel very daring. After there were
accusations that he raped a thirteen year old, and obviously
only accusations at this stage, but the comment to go
to a children's movie premiere, fifty cent got involved, who
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notoriously does not like him at all, and he did
delete this statement afterwards, but he put up a photo
of jay Z, Beyonce, and Blue Ivy at the event
on his Instagram account. This is when some celebrities in
the Instagram take it away because he put up a
photo and he wrote, jay really said I raped a kid.
Everybody get dressed and go seem a fastera lull and
people were like, this is too far. But also that
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felt like the vibe, like it felt like a very
jovial kind of event following such an accusation. Fifty Cent
obviously deleted that, which was the correct thing to do.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Fifty Cent, the amount of dirt this man has on
so many people. He yeah, he is.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
He's been saying it for years and now people are
listening more.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
He's literally been shot and like he's just like, you
know what, you do something wrong, I'm calling you out
for it.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah. So that was a wild time. And then as
jay Z and Beyonce were like leaving the right carpet,
so they didn't do any press. I don't even know
if Blue Ivy did that much, to be honest, and
normally I feel like you would be doing a huge
amount of press for your first big feature film role
like this.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I do think they're quite protective of her. Yeah, and
not just in the sense of everything that's happening now,
but right from the beginning, like even when she was
performing with Beyonce, like that was very private and like
her rehearsals and stuff, and like the conversation she was
having with her mom. I think the only comparison we
do have is North and Kim. Yeah, and like even
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I like, I automatically assume that when you see North
and Kim, because it's such a public relationship that I
automatically assume that all celebrity women with their children are
kind of like that. And I think Blue and Beyonce
have a much more private, quote unquote normal relationship.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I just think also there's always been such an intense
spotlight on that kid. I mean, look how much we
know about her, and I don't even see they seek
that in from it.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
She was born, like the amount of people who was
born when she even Like what people are saying about
her look and her face as like literally a toddler,
it's just absolutely disgusting and vile, and it hasn't ended.
Oh yeah, like even now, Like if you read some
of the comments on like what people are saying about
how she looks about at this premiere, it's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Well, there was so much backlash when she first started
performing with Beyonce too, because people were saying her dancing
wasn't to scratch. She was bad. Look at her next
to her mother. She's not up to scratch of like
where she should be. And there was talked about later
that all that information got back to Blue, and so
there's videos of her like practicing her dance and stuff
to kind of like push back against what people are saying,
like that's a lot for a child. And also as
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they were kind of walking out of the premiere, you
could see like Beyonce and jay Z were they weren't
answering any questions that were being yelled at from the crowd,
but anytime anyone said anything about Blue, they would just
yell out, we're so proud, we're so happy, which is
what parents would say. But it's like they were trying
to like stay on script and nail it down. And
obviously they've had to put like a publicity plan in
place because now this move Faster movie's coming out and
(28:05):
that's huge and so many people love this franchise. Like
people loved the Life Action Lion King. They obviously love
the original lay love the music, they love the musical,
so like there's this is like a huge thing for people,
and they didn't.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Love Northwest when she performed, but that's neither here.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Celebrity kids getting involved in the Lion King doesn't any well,
does it. And I wonder now if like maybe she
was meant to be doing press. I don't know, we
didn't get that invitation to interview her, but I wonder
if they'll be sort of pulling back on that. But
there is a lot of publicy for the family coming up.
So one is that Beyonce is performing at the halftime
show between the I don't know, you know, I don't
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know football the Houston Texans and the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I think that's like on Boxing Day. Yeah, and it's
going to be It's Christmas Day and they are going
to be live streamed on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yes, It's gonna be live streamed on Netflix. It's so
funny's talking to Netflix team the other day and asking
them what big things I had coming up, and they said,
somebody at the game, and I'm like, drew blank and
then I said, oh, the Beyonce concept beyond yes, which
is obviously a huge deal because it's the first time
that she'll be doing like a really big performance like
this in quite a while. It's the first time that
she'll be playing some different songs from Cowboy Carter, And
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there's so much like build up, and it's such a
huge thing, especially in America, Like the whole holiday season
is built around things like this, and the halftime show
is like the pinnacle of that. And then normally the
person who's doing that will do like pressing the lead
up to it. Whether Beyonce would do that or not
because she's Beyonce, you know, even without the allegations would
be hard to say. But there's going to be so
many eyes on her and her family, like does she
(29:33):
have her family their courtside like she normally would, field
side like she normally would all that sort of stuff,
because now there's this extra kind of layer of publicity
around them. But if they stick to their current plan,
it seems like they'll be going everywhere as a family together, smiling,
and then coming up in February, which is from the
timeline we know because we know that Sean Combs's trial
(29:55):
is going to start in May, and because jay Z's
allegations are part of that, it's kind of thought that
his will be around like that will be around them
as well. But then we also have the Grammys in February,
which is going to be which should be one of
the biggest nights of Beyonce's career ever.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We've talked about how important this Grammys is for Beyonce
because she released that album Cowboy Kater. It's a country
album that famously didn't get nominated for any country music awards.
So we were like, oh my god, we hope it
gets nominated for Grammys because like she pretty much made
this album. It's been theorized as like a clapback for
not winning the Grammys that she's been nominated.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yes, absolutely, and so this time around she has eleven nominations,
making her the most nominated artist of the night, but
it also means that she has ninety nine nominations overall,
which makes her the most nominated artist ever. And it's
also I.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Think she's only one thirty two.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, and she's always missed out on like the big
ones and so the Album of the Year, Yeah, and
this is the year that everyone's like, it's all gonna happen.
It's gonna be like, not just it's gonna be one
of those times where you don't just win for this album,
you win for your career. All the big Awards. So
she's gonna be walking the Grammys red carpet, assuming she'll
have her family there for that big night, getting up
on stage multiple times and doing speeches and talking about
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her career, and she'll talk about jay Z because they
always talk about it when they're on stage, especially at
the Grammys when he calls them out and she thanks
him with Blue Ivy again, exactly knowing that these allegations
are still hanging over them, and they're such horrific allegations
as well. It's a very messy time, but it feels
like they've decided on a PR plan that's going to
stick to it.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm sure they'll have the best PR plan in the business.
But yeah, I think I also need to talk about
like the massive fan base they have, Like even now
after all of this, there are just so many people
who are like, this will blow over, this will blow
over them, and I'm like, I don't think it will.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
But it's been so much about them has been bubbling
away for such a long time too, Like I don't
want to get too much into the awful rumors and stuff,
but one that has really resurfaced this week is that
because jay Z's twelve years older than Beyonce. I think
she's given interviews about it where she said she was
eighteen when they met and nineteen when they started dating,
and she always said that her rule was not to
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get married before the age of twenty five because you
don't really know who you are, which is also just
really good advice in general. I think, just any life decision,
I would say thirty five, yees, I say forty, I'm
still a child. But then timelines have come out, especially
this week, in different stories where jay Z has said
things like about knowing about her when she was sixteen
and fifteen and maybe they crossed paths then, and they
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have sort of skirted around that in the past. It's
one of those things where like people are just really
latching onto that story, like we won't ever know. But
the accusation out there at the moment is that jay Z,
who's twelve years older than her, started kind.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Of even nineteen thirty one is a bit that is
a bit shit. She's a one year old adult.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
And you're a man in your thirties, Like it is
a bit I mean, but we've always known that there's
so many celebrities with those kind of big age gaps
that we just look the other way with, but also
just I guess the power and balance of how powerful
he was, but also she was a superstar then. I
don't know. I'm just saying their official story is that
they met at eighteen, started dating at nineteen, whereas a
lot of people looking back at the timeline and times
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and they would have crossed over would have been when
she was sixteen, and they've skirted around it before. There's
an interview of them saying like, oh, like maybe we
cross paths at an award show when she was sixteen, but
we didn't meet, so there's not actual footage of it.
But what I'm saying is now people and obviously there's
been allegations of him cheating on her multiple times. She's
always a whole album.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
About Lemona the best visual album according to Adele. Yeah. No,
it was a brilliant album. But but that's always a case, right,
like every celebrity, if one thing comes out about them
that's like so shocking, so horrific, everything gets resurfaced.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, there's always been this kind of like faint murmur
in the background, or sometimes it would like bubble to
the surface a bit more about the fact that he
was potentially like allegedly predatory around her, that he then
treated her badly, that he had cheated on her, but
it was always kind of washed away by just like
the overall power and love that someone like Beyonce has
as one of the greatest artists of all time, and
(34:00):
her just like always leaning into this thing of like,
I love him, We're amazing, I'm missus Carter, that's it.
And even like the footage that came out of her
sister like beating him in the elevator elevator, yeah, and
all this sort of stuff, and everyone's like that was
one hundred percent link to him cheating, and then we
found out he actually did cheat on her, But it's
all they've kind of been able to just push it
(34:21):
all away because of how private they are and how
beloved she is. But I feel like this has just
really set people off and they're just going to keep
digging and there's just going to be more more allegations
coming out.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today.
If you want more from us, you can always follow
us on Instagram at The Spill Podcast and we will
be back here in your podcast speed at three pm tomorrow,
Bye Bye
Speaker 2 (34:45):
La,
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders
that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome
to the Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura
Brodneck and I'm Ambanum and we're both looking very out
of sorts today because it's our work Christmas party. No
(00:35):
I said, hey, I said, you looked beautiful when you
walked in.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Just normal for the people.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh sorry, it's a podcast, they can't see you. We'll
have to post a photo later because it's our work
Christmas party day, which feels very wholesome and cute. See,
we're both dressed to how we wouldn't normally.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Fill team, including our producer Cam. We're all wearing blue.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Why are we in florals? We never wear floral?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Blue?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Floral? Why we were both in blue florals? We have
curled hair. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It's quite different for us, but I'm enjoying this.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
If you see us on the street, just don't talk
to us today because we're we're having a moment. When
we're back in our neutrals and blacks and normal look
tomorrow chat to us. Okay, okay, Well, coming up on
the show today, there is something quite intense we have
to get into, and that is the new allegations against
Jay Z. Obviously we touched on these the other day
when they were first reported, but more information has come out.
(01:21):
He has also made public appearances since then, and things
for him and his famous family have gone even more
into termal. So we're going to talk about that, but first,
can you tell me something nice before we talk about
this awful subject?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yes, because I just need to talk about my current
obsession right now. It is an artist musician Floral's Blue Florals.
It is an artist and musician by the name of Doci.
Does that sound familiar to you? No?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I my god, wish I was cool enough to know this,
But you're gonna tell me, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So she has recently become like massive in the form
like she's released her debut full length debut named Alligator
Byites Never Heal, and she's seen Oh what is factual?
It's factual, so she knows what's going on. She kind
of calls herself the swamp Princess. She's really cool. But Dotie,
she has seen a one hundred and forty eight percent
(02:12):
increase in global streams since it's massive. She's collab with
Katy Perry on a new album where Tyler the Creator recently,
and she's also nominated for three Grammy nominations this year,
including Best New Artists and Best Rap Album, which is
also the first female artist that has been honored in
the category with a mixtape format. So she's quite interesting.
Her music is like, I feel like one that you
(02:35):
don't really have to get used to, but you're kind
of mesmerized by because it's so different to what we're
usually seeing. The best I can explain, it is kind
of a fusion of hip hop, rap, jazz, and R
and B. And I first saw her when she did
her Tiny Desk performance, So if you follow Tiny Desk
on YouTube or TikTok, it's basically just like I don't
(02:55):
know how explain, It's like it looks like a classroom
with a desk, and these like massive performers just come
and play with like a small band, just having like
a little sit down with like people, and they just
perform kind of like a shortened version of a massive performance.
It's usually round ten to twenty minute, and she did
hers it got over one million views and everyone is
saying that this is the best, tiny, best performance they've
(03:18):
ever seen. She then also performed on Stephen Kobert's show
Chuto Games All Year built Chip on My Shoulder that
heard over three million streams on Instagram, one of his
(03:39):
biggest videos that he's put on his Instagram, So bigger
than any a lister interview, bigger than any a lister
musician like performance, I need everyone to watch this performance immediately.
So it was a combo of two of the songs
called Boiled Peanuts and Denial as a River, which is
a song that I've been listening probably about ten times.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Me.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I don't know how to explain it. She's self choographed itch.
It was just her and two backup dances, and she
had these long, beautiful braids that were also connected to
each one of her backup dancers, and they had like
this beautiful performance and it was so mesmerizing and it
was like a slow rap and I couldn't believe it,
like her whole backup crew and her dances and her
(04:21):
backup vocalists and her band, that all these like amazing
black women. And she even said on Instagram, this is
my first self chograph performance, and one of the most
important things I wanted to highlight was my connection to
black women through hip hop. Like it's a type of
performance that I physically can't explain unless you've actually watched it,
because it just looked like art. Like it looked like
(04:41):
I was in an art gallery just watching an art
like yea, it was unreal to the point where like
in the crowd, you know when you can kind of
hear the crowd, and those late night shows like kind
of enjoying it. They were just like drop dead silence,
like they were so into it, and then like the
applause after was unreal. Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I love this also because first of when you're sing
you're playing that song over and over again. I love
that there is nothing like that feeling when you become
obsessed with a new song, and I feel like that's
sometimes hard to to do in the way that we
have music now, because even people were saying from their
Spotify raps and things this year, like it's the same
few artists between us, like over and over again, Like
our lists aren't changing from year to year, and back
(05:22):
in the day they would be quite different because we'd
be getting hit with so much new music all the
time because it was whatever you heard on the radio,
which is a whole of the issue because that was
gay keepery as well. But nowadays it can be really
hard for big artists to cut through unless they go
viral on TikTok for a sound, but that means they're
making songs to go on TikTok or if they like
somehow team up with on the singer they have a
viral moment. Like it's very hard now and a lot
(05:43):
of musicians say this, it's very hard for them to
just cut through with good music, yeah, and just.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
To be and I think they have to rely on
other musicians, right.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I think a big part of why she's just like
skyrocketed now in particular, was because Kendrick Lamar went on
record and said, like she's the best in the game
right now. Oh, I love that, and everyone's like what
And then it's only like you said, it's so competitive.
It's only when you go back and listen to their
discography that I've now seen videos of her playing to
like thousands of people, like crowds of people who know
(06:11):
like the lyrics to a song. Yeah, and you think
it's someone that you've just discovered who's just like come
across your fee. Yeah yeah, and I'm like, no, she's
been like similar to when we talk aboutchapelorone, Like she's
been doing it for so so long. So it's just
so nice to see like everyone get on board.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, oh I love that. Okay, I'm gonna add her
to everyone.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I reckon we should post it on the Spill Instagram. Okay, well,
we're going to post her performance. I'm just taking reins now.
We're gonna post her performance from the Stephen Covesho on
our instagram at the Spill podcast. Keep an eye for
that because I'll be watching it on repeat.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So just this week, formal allegations were made against jay
Z in regards to the rape of a minor, which
is all intertwined with the numerous ongoing, very disturbing allegations
against Sean Comb's No One as Diddy. And it's interesting
when this information came out because when we first saw
this lawsuit and we saw the information in it, we
(07:02):
were quite shocked. Obviously it's very disturbing, but a lot
of people I saw like the conversation saying like, oh,
I thought he'd already been charged didn't we know this,
And there's a big diference between people have been assuming
that jay Z and to some extent, his wife Beyonce
have been wrapped up in these Seawan Colme's allegations. But
this is the first time any kind of formal charges
or accusations have been put out there.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's quite dangerous as well, because I can imagine like,
unless you're doing our job or you're in the industry,
a lot of people I think would just read a headline,
think they understand the story, like read a redded post,
read something on Twitter, and then just make assumptions yeah,
just because of that illusion, yeah, or even just on TikTok,
which is where most people get their information nowadays, which
is just you know, it's just neither good nor bad.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It just is a fact. And so many people were
seeing videos that were just you know, a picture of
jay Z, and this is before these allegations came out,
saying like, oh, he's been charged, or just saying like
this is the moment on the red carpet where you
can see his face change, this is the moment he
and Beyonce realized they've been caught, And just absolutely none
of that is true, like this is the first documentation
we've seen.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, and I think it's important too, Like we did
it when we were first initially covering Sean Comb's and
everything involved in that, but to kind of like spread
it out from beginning, middle, and end, just because there
are just so much information coming out now that only
once you read it in the context of everything else
(08:25):
does it really make sense.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So we briefly talked about jay Z when it first
was announced, I think it was two days ago, but
as a little recap, I think it's important to like
go through everything that's happened. So I think Beyonce and
jay Z's name was first publicly involved when Jaguar Wright,
a backing vocalist and songwriter for jay Z and Beyonce,
(08:48):
went on the Piers Morgan show called Piers Morgan Uncensored,
and she accused jay Z and Beyonce keeping people there
against their will and using tactics to manipulate others. These
allegations were aired without evidence, and it also led to
a backlash and legal action from Beyonce and jay Z's representatives,
(09:09):
so Piers Morgan then had to issue a public apology
to beyond saying jay Z, which is what I think
was picked up more than the actual legal matter of it.
That's how we kind of got introduced to it. So
he had to shoe an apology publicly, and he admitted
that the allegations were baseless and confirmed that his show
had complied with the legal request to remove the remarks
from the interview. So, after all of that happened, when
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jay Z's name was kind of mentioned alongside Sean Combs,
his lawyers said that he had received a letter from
the plaintiff's lawyer threatening to immediately file a public lawsuit
against him unless he agreed to resolve those issues through
a mediation kind of format. But instead, jay Z's lawyers
sued the lawyer, Tony Busby, And that's when jay Z
(09:55):
put out that statement that we talked about earlier this week, and.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
The statement which we read out and full in a
previous podcast we were talking about this not only denies
the allegations, but why it's so interesting is that, unlike
other celebrity statements around really big matters like this, came
across as so devoid of like legal representation or like
a PR plan. It really just felt like, you know,
usually those kind of things are so craft and then
(10:20):
you give a lot away a lot of information because
they're worried about it being used in any kind of
context or making headlines. But this one just really felt
like jay Z sat down and just like put his
thoughts and just hit send really before he'd read it
back over.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It was a very it felt like a very angry,
emotionally driven statement, which I don't know as a father,
it kind of made sense, like as this big family
man that he is, it kind of made sense like
the rage behind it. But I also wanted to focus
on a particular part of the statement because it's really
interesting where he says this lawyer talking about Tony Busbey.
(10:55):
This lawyer who I have done a bit of research on,
seems to have a pattern of these type of theatrics.
I have no idea how you have come to be
such a deplorable human, mister Busby, but I promise you
I have seen your kind many times over. I'm more
than prepared to deal with your type. You claim to
be a marine, question mark. Marines are known for their valor.
You have neither honor nor dignity. So this part I
(11:17):
found very interesting because a lot of places have done
research into Tony Buzzby, and it's interesting the fact, like
just the fact that we know Tony Busby's name is
wild to me because whenever we talk about these massive
celebrity stories, there's always a lawyer involved, and that's kind
of their place and the whole story. They're just the lawyer,
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where Tony Busby seems to be a public figure in himself,
like he's developed a personality himself alongside the celebrities that
are involved.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, it's almost reminiscent of the lawyers who were in
Johnny jbp's trial. Remember how Johnny jbp's lawyers became for
a while there like their own public faces, and they
had fan pages for them, and people were like deep
diving into their background, and they were getting paparazzi and
photographs and everything as they were going to and from,
and people were inventing love stories. It was a whole thing.
Like this is why people love the narrative of these
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sort of public spectacles. Like if they weren't all of
these like key players with their own storylines and plots
and things, I don't think people would be as invested
on the Tony Buzzby thing. Like I've got to say.
When he first came out with that first lot of
lawsuits against Sean Combs, and he was doing those press conferences,
a lot of people were applauding him and sort of
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saying that he was like a good person.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
He's saying, like, I have around one hundred and twenty people.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, and I did too. Like the thing is just
because he's done, he's done a few good things and
like he probably will do more, doesn't mean he's a
good person overall. Like the thing is in this industry,
in this game, and these people like I don't think
there's anyone who's like truly good or anything like that.
But I think at the time the statements he was
giving in terms of saying like we have gone through
all this information, We're gonna get these people justice. We
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have done this. I've set up teams for this. I
set up teams for this.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Call me for this.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
These people have said this. I'm not going to speak
on this. It's like when someone comes into the room
and takes charge and you know it's a mess, and
like everyone, all of a sudden, that person looks amazing
to you because you're like this has been bubbling around
for so long and these stories have been there, and
it's like someone's coming in and as a plan. Yeah,
a person with a plan is very attractive.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, And then you're trying to think like they're fine,
they're in a safe zone, like they're fine. But then
you kind of research on that person and you're like, oh,
you're kinds.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Once you look into anyone, you're like, god, damn it,
this person is awful. Of course they are. And I
went deep, Okay, tell me so.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I went on his actual lawyer website and he has
a heap of testimonials on there, like from massive publication,
New York Times, everything, But some of the testimonials are
quite intense, like some of them call him mean, psychoaggressive,
obsessed with winning meanest dog in the yard, Like quite intense.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It is tough. Most lawyers at that at that level,
I think that you think they would be mean and aggressive.
Isn't that there type of level?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Maybe. I was also looking at his Instagram and he's
quite a big poster in the sense that he's a
grid post. He loves a grid post of him in
his private jet. He loves a grid post of him
and the tank that he that his neighbors are pretty
angry about.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Because house everyone's a good person until they have a
private jet. Then you're automatically off the good person lists gone,
You're gone.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
He was also one of the lawyers who filed a
suit against Travis Scott. Do you remember that Astro world
tragedy where ten people died and he was one of
the lawyers who was representing a person there and their family,
And then he posted on Facebook, like his Facebook when
the claims against Travis Scott was settled, there were like
so many lawyers there. There were around ten people who
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had tragically passed away, but he was like one of
the lawyers that actually had his name on everything. Yeah,
and like we're posting about it, and even though his
posts said that all the stuff was confidential, it was
quite a it just feels a bit weird, Like you're
posting on his Facebook page a person who's like your
client's son essentially, and it's just like a photo of
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his face, and.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Like, yeah, that's very odd. And yeah, that's what people
have been saying is that yes, he's probably you know,
he's a practicing lawyer and he wants to win, and
he's you know, it seems that he's doing some of
this to help people who wouldn't normally be able to
stand up against someone like Sean Combs and the allegations
against him. But on the other side of it, he's
obviously not doing it just from the goodness of his
heart and part of it, but it's not even just
money and prestigious like part of it. Seems like he
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does want to be famed. He wants the cloud, he
wants Yeah, he wants his face up there. Whereas a
lot of lawyers in these cases, when they're in these
big profile cases, they will mute their socials, they won't
say anything. You see them just running out of the
courtroom with their faces covered because they're trying not to
be the story. But it just seems like Tony wants
to be the story.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah. And he's also quite keen on politics.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Oh yes, because he wants to politics.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, so so bad president, I'm sure so. In two
thousand and two, he's Republican leaning, and in two thousand
and two he ran an unsuccessful campaign to become Texas
state representative. In twenty sixteen, he was actively supporting Donald
Trump during his presidential bid, and he was trying it a.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Red flag that's like a red.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Red stops. Yeah, let's start. He was trying to raise
funds for him, and then during his Trump's Inauguration Committee,
he donated five hundred thousand dollars. In twenty nineteen, he
tried again to become mayor of Houston, which was unsuccessful.
So he does want that kind of lifestyle, like he
does want to be a political figure. He wants to
be in charge. In twenty fourteen, he represented then Guv.
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Rick Perry against an indictment accusing him of abuse of power.
And I think this is important because representing like these
really strong, powerful white men at the same time kind
of suing and publicly suing and publicly calling out these
like other really strong men who are all black. What
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seems quite stark to me is after jay Z made
this statement, he also did a kind of respond statement
on Twitter. It's also quite big. But at the end
he says, as far as the allegations in the complaint filed,
we will let the filing speak for itself and will
litigate the facts in court, not in the media. And
I'm like, that seems kind of hypocritical because he's been
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boasting about how many like allegations he has, how many
people are involved, Like everything he's like about this case
we've read from his statements on Twitter, on his social
media accounts. So when someone who has been accused, and
also they haven't released the information of the person who
is accusing jay Z, so he actually doesn't know who
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that person is. When you're like publicly putting someone's name
under that scrutiny, but at the same time you're saying
they shouldn't be talking about it publicly, we should leave
before the court, Yet you are. It seems really weird
to me.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, it is a really difficult one. But I think
also like the other thing to remember, which is hard
and not trying to get like moralistic and on my
high horse here or anything like that. But at the
end of the day, like, yes, there's a lot of
this is like it's bad men who are being held
to account for things they allegedly did which will soon
come to light. I'm sure there's also a group of
really powerful rich people who are involved in that because
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they're trying to get clout. But the center of that there.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
He's also one of the powerful riches.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
He's the one I'm referring to the powerful person trying
to get clout. But at the center of that, you
also have these hundreds of people and these alleged victims
to have these allegations and stuff, and it's like, I
think that's all we should be focusing on their stories.
But I don't think that because that's on exciting and
sexy like this other stuff is. And I don't say
sexy in like a yeah, I mean like people like that.
We're so enthralled by celebrity culture that even when the
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celebrity culture is ugly and upsetting.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Now I feels like bub versus these like massive musicians.
We're looking forgetting about the victims.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, we're looking for this like good and bad, Like
who's the hero, who's the villain, who's going to work
it out? And there's all these people at the center
of it who have been like, Hey, I'm trying to
tell you about this horrific thing that happened to me
years ago and I finally have a way to speak
on it.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Can you please stop posting me on your Twitter? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Can we not make it about these two men having
a public fight over who's more powerful? But unfortunately that
is how this industry in the world works. But the
thing is, at the end of the day, at least
these people's stories are going to court, these allegations have
been made, Like, I think that's something important to hold onto. Yeah,
So in the midst of all these statements and accusations
and this kind of threw down fight between Sean Combs
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and Tony Busby and now Jay Z and Tony Busby,
we also have Jay Z and Beyonce as these two
incredibly powerful people in Hollywood who up until now have
been able to both legally and publicly shut down any
accusation that they're involved in this in any way. And
they can't do that anymore because actual charges have been
filed and legal documents. And what is interesting about that
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and what we're going to see unfold over the next
couple of months, is that as a family, they're often
very very private, Like we could go months and months
and months without seeing them because they you know, they
live very privately and their mansions behind closed doors, and
they you know, go on private cars.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
They even at the Grammy she was wearing like her
big cowboy hat like across her face so that no
one could see her.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
They get private entrances to events. We can go months
without seeing them. They're also not big posters on social
beyond the it's not gonna be hey, get ready with me,
so they can be this very elusive family. But they
can't do that for the next couple of months because
these accusations have coincided with a very public time in
their lives, starting off with the premiere of Mufasa. Did
you see all these photos and videos?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I did see that, and all I could think about
was their little girl, Blue Ivy, who looked absolutely stunning,
And it was like, I guess her first real kind
of performance, Like she gets to celebrate, like we've seen
her perform with Beyonce on stage for her tours, but
this was like she's in Mufassa, yeah, like playing Kiara
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and she's just in this gown and she wanted to
pose with her parents and ah, she's twelve years old.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, Because the accusations had come out and jay Z
had put out his statement, but it was all really
bubbling away and people knew the Mufastera premiere was happening.
If you're not across it's Disney's new lin King prequel,
so it tells like the origin story of Mufasa, but
also some other we haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's live action, charging can be one the first one.
They're in this one again.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yes, and Blue Ivy voicing Kiaro, who is the daughter
of Simba. And so this is her first feature film role.
And there's been such a big build up of the
fact that her mother, you know, was involved in the
line King franchise, and the thing that this was, yes,
and then that she was the voice of that, and
the fact that she was going to be in this
film and she was going to be doing press and
red carpets for the first time. And in the lead
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up to it, I think there was like a lot
of speculation online in particular around who would actually go
to the event. Would Blue Ivy just because she had
to go obviously it's her movie. Would she just walk
the carpet herself. Would Beyonce be there in the background
just with her, all that sort of stuff. And what
we saw was Blue Ivy on the red carpet in
her big flowing goal gown. She's twelve, she looks so
much older. Oh my god, And I guess me, Mum's Beyonce.
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You just always look glam.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
We should post photos because like me and my year
twelve four twelve.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Oh my no, she's on her uteh form when she's twelve.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I know. Oh sorry, I meant like my year six
formal when I was twelve, year six formal.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
That's a story for a teacher. But not only was
she there, but Beyonce next to her, and jay Z
and Tina Knowles and the Tina Noles thing was interesting
because if anyone doesn't follow Tina Noles on Instagram, you're
missing out because as much as Beyonce is an such
a boomer, and as much as like Beyonce and Solange
her other daughter, so she can call with their social
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usage and they barely use it, and when they do
it's so curated. Tina will just post like a blurry
photo and then Solange will be in the comments being like, mom,
I sent you the high res, or she'll be saying
like Beyonce's going to do this, and Beyonce's like, mom,
I hadn't announced that yet, like she's a wild cub.
But that all took a turn this week when she
liked a comment did you do that?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
She liked a comment jay Z and the allegations and
then that blew up into a news story, and then
she put up an instantile saying that her account had
been hacked and she didn't do it. And as we know,
anytime celebrities get called her for anything, they say they're hacked,
they have to. But the hacker only comes in, likes
one little comment and then leave that will show up
and then respectfully, respectfully gus the account back and doesn't
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go to the DMS to see all the other celebrities
who were messaging Tinaoles and anyway, that's the hacker that
I wanted. And then she put up a statement saying
family means everything to her, and it wasn't her, it
was the hacker. So Tena and Oles was also.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
There, yeah, looking like they made amends and.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
They were all hugging on. The hacker was not present.
The hacker wasn't at the Gray carpet as far as
we know.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Even just seeing Beyonce and jay Z together on a
red carpet is so rare. So the fact that they
came for this massive family kind of reunion publicly was
so different. And I feel like if these allegations weren't
in place like this would still have headlines of them
just being together. But it also reminded me that in
his statement that he made after he was named as
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the alleged abuser, he did say, my only heartbreak is
for my family. My wife and I will have to
sit our children down, one of whom is at the
age where her friends will surely see the press and
ask questions about the nature of these claims. And I think, yeah,
just seeing them together after like all of this, and
even like it's it's so rare that they put out
public statement, but after like the rage and the emotion
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behind that statement just seemed like a really weird thing
to do.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yes, but I think they would have wanted to go
to this red carpet event even more so than before
because they've been so staunched in their denial that they're
involved in this for ages, and then he put out
that very emotional statement. There's this thrial anger of saying
like and involving his kids' names in the statement and everything.
There's this real sense that from jay Z, at least,
whether his team's telling him this or not, that they
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really want to be like, we're completely innocent, where a
happy family, We're a successful, perfect family, and kind of
look at us, and even the way they were standing
on the red carpet. I mean, maybe she's reading too
much into it, but there's been a lot of chat
that like Beyonce rarely smiles. She usually does the whole
kind of like the smolder. That's her signature look, and
she's really smiling into the camera. But also it's her
daughter's premiere, so I don't know if we should read
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too much of that. And then they're all hugging, like
Tina's hugging jay Z, They're all hugging Blue Ivy, they're laughing,
they're smiling. It's just it's very kind of a staunch,
like we're a happy family, and people were pointing out
like that, it did feel very daring. After there were
accusations that he raped a thirteen year old, and obviously
only accusations at this stage, but the comment to go
to a children's movie premiere, fifty cent got involved, who
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notoriously does not like him at all, and he did
delete this statement afterwards, but he put up a photo
of jay Z, Beyonce, and Blue Ivy at the event
on his Instagram account. This is when some celebrities in
the Instagram take it away because he put up a
photo and he wrote, jay really said I raped a kid.
Everybody get dressed and go seem a fastera lull and
people were like, this is too far. But also that
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felt like the vibe, like it felt like a very
jovial kind of event following such an accusation. Fifty Cent
obviously deleted that, which was the correct thing to do.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Fifty Cent, the amount of dirt this man has on
so many people. He yeah, he is.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
He's been saying it for years and now people are
listening more.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
He's literally been shot and like he's just like, you
know what, you do something wrong, I'm calling you out
for it.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah. So that was a wild time. And then as
jay Z and Beyonce were like leaving the right carpet,
so they didn't do any press. I don't even know
if Blue Ivy did that much, to be honest, and
normally I feel like you would be doing a huge
amount of press for your first big feature film role
like this.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I do think they're quite protective of her. Yeah, and
not just in the sense of everything that's happening now,
but right from the beginning, like even when she was
performing with Beyonce, like that was very private and like
her rehearsals and stuff, and like the conversation she was
having with her mom. I think the only comparison we
do have is North and Kim. Yeah, and like even
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I like, I automatically assume that when you see North
and Kim, because it's such a public relationship that I
automatically assume that all celebrity women with their children are
kind of like that. And I think Blue and Beyonce
have a much more private, quote unquote normal relationship.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I just think also there's always been such an intense
spotlight on that kid. I mean, look how much we
know about her, and I don't even see they seek
that in from it.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
She was born, like the amount of people who was
born when she even Like what people are saying about
her look and her face as like literally a toddler,
it's just absolutely disgusting and vile, and it hasn't ended.
Oh yeah, like even now, Like if you read some
of the comments on like what people are saying about
how she looks about at this premiere, it's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Well, there was so much backlash when she first started
performing with Beyonce too, because people were saying her dancing
wasn't to scratch. She was bad. Look at her next
to her mother. She's not up to scratch of like
where she should be. And there was talked about later
that all that information got back to Blue, and so
there's videos of her like practicing her dance and stuff
to kind of like push back against what people are saying,
like that's a lot for a child. And also as
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they were kind of walking out of the premiere, you
could see like Beyonce and jay Z were they weren't
answering any questions that were being yelled at from the crowd,
but anytime anyone said anything about Blue, they would just
yell out, we're so proud, we're so happy, which is
what parents would say. But it's like they were trying
to like stay on script and nail it down. And
obviously they've had to put like a publicity plan in
place because now this move Faster movie's coming out and
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that's huge and so many people love this franchise. Like
people loved the Life Action Lion King. They obviously love
the original lay love the music, they love the musical,
so like there's this is like a huge thing for people,
and they didn't.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Love Northwest when she performed, but that's neither here.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Celebrity kids getting involved in the Lion King doesn't any well,
does it. And I wonder now if like maybe she
was meant to be doing press. I don't know, we
didn't get that invitation to interview her, but I wonder
if they'll be sort of pulling back on that. But
there is a lot of publicy for the family coming up.
So one is that Beyonce is performing at the halftime
show between the I don't know, you know, I don't
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know football the Houston Texans and the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I think that's like on Boxing Day. Yeah, and it's
going to be It's Christmas Day and they are going
to be live streamed on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yes, It's gonna be live streamed on Netflix. It's so
funny's talking to Netflix team the other day and asking
them what big things I had coming up, and they said,
somebody at the game, and I'm like, drew blank and
then I said, oh, the Beyonce concept beyond yes, which
is obviously a huge deal because it's the first time
that she'll be doing like a really big performance like
this in quite a while. It's the first time that
she'll be playing some different songs from Cowboy Carter, And
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there's so much like build up, and it's such a
huge thing, especially in America, Like the whole holiday season
is built around things like this, and the halftime show
is like the pinnacle of that. And then normally the
person who's doing that will do like pressing the lead
up to it. Whether Beyonce would do that or not
because she's Beyonce, you know, even without the allegations would
be hard to say. But there's going to be so
many eyes on her and her family, like does she
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have her family their courtside like she normally would, field
side like she normally would all that sort of stuff,
because now there's this extra kind of layer of publicity
around them. But if they stick to their current plan,
it seems like they'll be going everywhere as a family together, smiling,
and then coming up in February, which is from the
timeline we know because we know that Sean Combs's trial
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is going to start in May, and because jay Z's
allegations are part of that, it's kind of thought that
his will be around like that will be around them
as well. But then we also have the Grammys in February,
which is going to be which should be one of
the biggest nights of Beyonce's career ever.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We've talked about how important this Grammys is for Beyonce
because she released that album Cowboy Kater. It's a country
album that famously didn't get nominated for any country music awards.
So we were like, oh my god, we hope it
gets nominated for Grammys because like she pretty much made
this album. It's been theorized as like a clapback for
not winning the Grammys that she's been nominated.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yes, absolutely, and so this time around she has eleven nominations,
making her the most nominated artist of the night, but
it also means that she has ninety nine nominations overall,
which makes her the most nominated artist ever. And it's
also I.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Think she's only one thirty two.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, and she's always missed out on like the big
ones and so the Album of the Year, Yeah, and
this is the year that everyone's like, it's all gonna happen.
It's gonna be like, not just it's gonna be one
of those times where you don't just win for this album,
you win for your career. All the big Awards. So
she's gonna be walking the Grammys red carpet, assuming she'll
have her family there for that big night, getting up
on stage multiple times and doing speeches and talking about
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her career, and she'll talk about jay Z because they
always talk about it when they're on stage, especially at
the Grammys when he calls them out and she thanks
him with Blue Ivy again, exactly knowing that these allegations
are still hanging over them, and they're such horrific allegations
as well. It's a very messy time, but it feels
like they've decided on a PR plan that's going to
stick to it.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm sure they'll have the best PR plan in the business.
But yeah, I think I also need to talk about
like the massive fan base they have, Like even now
after all of this, there are just so many people
who are like, this will blow over, this will blow
over them, and I'm like, I don't think it will.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
But it's been so much about them has been bubbling
away for such a long time too, Like I don't
want to get too much into the awful rumors and stuff,
but one that has really resurfaced this week is that
because jay Z's twelve years older than Beyonce. I think
she's given interviews about it where she said she was
eighteen when they met and nineteen when they started dating,
and she always said that her rule was not to
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get married before the age of twenty five because you
don't really know who you are, which is also just
really good advice in general. I think, just any life decision,
I would say thirty five, yees, I say forty, I'm
still a child. But then timelines have come out, especially
this week, in different stories where jay Z has said
things like about knowing about her when she was sixteen
and fifteen and maybe they crossed paths then, and they
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have sort of skirted around that in the past. It's
one of those things where like people are just really
latching onto that story, like we won't ever know. But
the accusation out there at the moment is that jay Z,
who's twelve years older than her, started kind.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Of even nineteen thirty one is a bit that is
a bit shit. She's a one year old adult.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
And you're a man in your thirties, Like it is
a bit I mean, but we've always known that there's
so many celebrities with those kind of big age gaps
that we just look the other way with, but also
just I guess the power and balance of how powerful
he was, but also she was a superstar then. I
don't know. I'm just saying their official story is that
they met at eighteen, started dating at nineteen, whereas a
lot of people looking back at the timeline and times
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and they would have crossed over would have been when
she was sixteen, and they've skirted around it before. There's
an interview of them saying like, oh, like maybe we
cross paths at an award show when she was sixteen, but
we didn't meet, so there's not actual footage of it.
But what I'm saying is now people and obviously there's
been allegations of him cheating on her multiple times. She's
always a whole album.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
About Lemona the best visual album according to Adele. Yeah. No,
it was a brilliant album. But but that's always a case, right,
like every celebrity, if one thing comes out about them
that's like so shocking, so horrific, everything gets resurfaced.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, there's always been this kind of like faint murmur
in the background, or sometimes it would like bubble to
the surface a bit more about the fact that he
was potentially like allegedly predatory around her, that he then
treated her badly, that he had cheated on her, but
it was always kind of washed away by just like
the overall power and love that someone like Beyonce has
as one of the greatest artists of all time, and
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her just like always leaning into this thing of like,
I love him, We're amazing, I'm missus Carter, that's it.
And even like the footage that came out of her
sister like beating him in the elevator elevator, yeah, and
all this sort of stuff, and everyone's like that was
one hundred percent link to him cheating, and then we
found out he actually did cheat on her, But it's
all they've kind of been able to just push it
(34:21):
all away because of how private they are and how
beloved she is. But I feel like this has just
really set people off and they're just going to keep
digging and there's just going to be more more allegations
coming out.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
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Bye Bye
Speaker 2 (34:45):
La,
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